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Does accepting Jesus as savior make one a Christian?
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 427529
11/11/2008 12:44 PM | | Re: Does accepting Jesus as savior make one a Christian? | Quote |
No. People who follow the symbology and think it will save them are misled. You have to emulate the teachings of Jesus in your own life and perform good works. You must LOVE, and you must be loved. :) Quoting: canislatrans
the poster who replied to you in the first page, although did not say it in a nice way at all (in fact threw out an insult), what he said is actually right.
my friend, you are no better than a pharisee if you think you're going to go to heaven because of the "good things" you do. if god had truly saved you, you would know that your greatest "works" are nothing more than filthy rags to an infinitely holy and righteous god.
now that does not mean when an individual gets saved that the new nature they receive makes them reluctant to do good.
and one more thing: i believe i have read on this forum that you are a homosexual. my friend, please don't believe you're saved, let alone eligible to participate in heaven, by being a homosexual.
truly go to god and ask him to genuinely save you. there are numerous individuals who have been cured homosexuality. and please don't say, "i don't need to be cured of it! i love being gay!" no you don't. you're miserable, and you need to be washed by the real jesus christ, not the fake on your imagination has construed to cater to your sins.
i say this because it's the truth. not to give you a bad day or start an argument (not into those anyways). those who tell you the most truth are your friends...
take care |
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Lady Wolf 
and they ride...
User ID: 534869
11/11/2008 3:00 PM
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Quoting: Anonymous Coward 536045
Father forgive them, for they know not what they do...For if they only knew of the extreme sacrifice of your Son as He spilled his precious blood for their sins, they would walk away from such satyrical blaspheme with their heads held down in shame...
I pray that the maker of this video, will repent from such disgrace, and come to know You. May his talants be put toward a better use and for your glory Lord, and may he be convicted of his grievous sin in the making of a video that would dare to poke fun at your son's incredibly selfless sacrifice...
In Jesus name I pray...Amen
Remember...Real Truth Is Self Evident;)
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canislatrans
Coyote
User ID: 516342
11/11/2008 3:03 PM
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you're miserable, and you need to be washed by the real jesus christ, not the fake on your imagination has construed to cater to your sins. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 427529
LOL, I appreciate the sentiment, I guess.
Where I stand with God is between God and I, and not you.
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Lady Wolf
and they ride...
User ID: 534869
11/11/2008 3:05 PM
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The Old Testament pointed forward to Jesus.
Look And Live
Numbers 21:8-9 The Lord said to Moses, "Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live." ...Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, "they" lived.
Let's imagine ourselves in this situation. Poisonous snakes have bitten "everyone", and while we are not dead yet, the prospects do not look good. Suddenly a voice yells out: "We must do something. We must save ourselves!" But how? Various ideas surface such as: "If you run around in frantic activity it will work out the poison!" A few people try this, and die trying. Others, by staring at their bites, go totally berserk into a frenzy of panic. Alternately, some try to convince themselves that they are not bitten, or that the snakes were not poisonous, and form little groups to delude each other while dying. And here's a person selling "snake oil" which purports to be an antitoxin, but makes people even worse.
Enter Moses who says, "If you look at the bronze snake that has been lifted up on this pole, you will live. If you do not, no matter what else you do, you will die." Now let's really picture how we might react, having been given this revelation. "He must be kidding," we would think. "Do nothing? Just look? How insulting a solution! What part do we play in it?" Moses responds, "Cease your activities. Just look, and live!" Really now, if you had been there, would you have believed it? Do you believe God's solution today?
John 3:14 "Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up."
- Jesus
We all have been bitten, and sin is coursing through our veins. It will most certainly lead to death. There is only one solution, but it is an offense to our ability to save ourselves.
John 6:40a "For my father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life."
Cease your activities and look. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 311438
Wow! I really like this:) Very profound, and yet...so simple really...why must we want everything to be so difficult? Why indeed?? ;)
Remember...Real Truth Is Self Evident;)
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riker
make it so
User ID: 505009
11/11/2008 3:09 PM
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and one more thing: i believe i have read on this forum that you are a homosexual. my friend, please don't believe you're saved, let alone eligible to participate in heaven, by being a homosexual.
truly go to god and ask him to genuinely save you. there are numerous individuals who have been cured homosexuality. and please don't say, "i don't need to be cured of it! i love being gay!" no you don't. you're miserable, and you need to be washed by the real jesus christ, not the fake on your imagination has construed to cater to your sins.
i say this because it's the truth. not to give you a bad day or start an argument (not into those anyways). those who tell you the most truth are your friends... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 427529
You're a fuckin' idiot. An arrogant idiot. I'm sure you think you are humble and pious, and it's God's Word, not yours......
But you're a fuckin arrogant, self-righteous asshole.
You don't know ANYTHING about how someone feels and whether they are sincere in their relationship with God.... or how happy someone else is for that matter.
What you say is NOT the truth.
I can't wait till God dumps "all-knowing" pieces of shit like you into the fire. Fuckin Pharisee.
So this is how liberty dies.... with thunderous applause. |
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canislatrans
Coyote
User ID: 516342
11/11/2008 3:15 PM
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You don't know ANYTHING about how someone feels and whether they are sincere in their relationship with God.... or how happy someone else is for that matter. Quoting: riker
The more often I find myself performing selfless acts of love for others and myself, the more often I feel a warming in my heart and the sensation of knowing I have done something Jesus would have done... I know I am on the right track regardless of what anyone here on earth may tell me. :) My path is mine to walk, no matter who disapproves. I know where it really counts, and that is all that matters to me.
And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music. |
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Lady Wolf
and they ride...
User ID: 534869
11/11/2008 3:33 PM
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Then answer me this: How come when I went to the Father, Jesus wasn't there? and I'm not trying to be funny either......
I know exactly what you are asking....and no, I am not being funny either.
It's something I have had to struggle with personally, as someone I love dearly has tried, tried and tried to believe, has cried out as a frightened soul in the dark of the night, yet, faith eludes this person.
The result? The person truly feels forsaken and betrayed, because he was taught that he simply had to ask to be saved and would be.....but that didn't happen.
This person is sincere. And it's tough to console someone like that.
And is haunting as well. Quoting: jlazarus
I have to chime in here with my own experiance...
My husband was plauged with this very thing. He confessed to me that numerous times he had cried out to God for salvation, but his cries were met with only silence. He told me how he would cry tears like a baby, literally begging to be heard by God. As one who is a believer and has seen evidence of that belief often in my own life, I too began to pray more heavily for my husband than I had been. I began to wonder about the 'fairness' of God, and what was so different about my husband's faith and need for salvation than my own??
Recently my husband lost his job of 14 years. He was "At Willed" with the company he worked for, which basically means, "we no longer have need of your services, and don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you!" To say he was absolutely devistated, would be an understatement. He went into a tail spin and literally hit his knees, as he'd come to the end of himself and had finally hit bottem. There was no where to go but up. And that is what he did...
As he was down on his knees a broken and discarded man, God finally did come to him, because for the very first time, my husband had completely let go of the 'control' reigns of his own life and gave them to God. He completely gave up and gave God control over his life. Since then, he has become baptized and we are currently attending our local church.
I was absolutely amazed that my husband finally found God. Especially after everything he had been through to do so...One day, I asked him what had happened. I wanted to know what was the difference between that day and all of the times before when he had begged and pleaded for God to come to him?
It took him a while, but he finally admitted to me, that he had held back from God. He wanted God to come to him on his terms. He wanted God to 'dance' to his tune rather than to simply just let go and except Jesus's sacrifice. He didn't believe he needed salvation, he just wanted to be accepted into the "salvation club" on his own terms.
It took a lot for my husband to admit this to himself, let alone to me, and it answered a lot of my own questions about why God was seemingly ignoring my husband all of those years...
Remember, Jesus says, "Behold, I stand at the door and knock, if any man hear me and open the door, I will come in and fellowship with him and he with me."
HE is the one knocking at OUR door, NOT the other way around...WE need to answer that door and let Him into our lives. WE are not the ones knocking on HIS door. When someone comes to our home and knocks on our door, it takes a great deal of trust and submission to allow that person over the threshhold of the fortress that is our home. But ultimately...it IS our decision whether or not to allow that person to come in. The same is to be said for Jesus Christ, who waits outside of our life, patiently knocking at our doors to be let in.
We have to invite Him into our homes before he can begin to clean house;)
Remember...Real Truth Is Self Evident;)
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Lady Wolf
and they ride...
User ID: 534869
11/11/2008 3:50 PM
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and one more thing: i believe i have read on this forum that you are a homosexual. my friend, please don't believe you're saved, let alone eligible to participate in heaven, by being a homosexual.
truly go to god and ask him to genuinely save you. there are numerous individuals who have been cured homosexuality. and please don't say, "i don't need to be cured of it! i love being gay!" no you don't. you're miserable, and you need to be washed by the real jesus christ, not the fake on your imagination has construed to cater to your sins.
i say this because it's the truth. not to give you a bad day or start an argument (not into those anyways). those who tell you the most truth are your friends...
You're a fuckin' idiot. An arrogant idiot. I'm sure you think you are humble and pious, and it's God's Word, not yours......
But you're a fuckin arrogant, self-righteous asshole.
You don't know ANYTHING about how someone feels and whether they are sincere in their relationship with God.... or how happy someone else is for that matter.
What you say is NOT the truth.
I can't wait till God dumps "all-knowing" pieces of shit like you into the fire. Fuckin Pharisee. Quoting: riker
AC, take heart and do not be discouraged for fighting the good fight...it was many a messenger who was killed out of anger by those to whom he was sent with a message...erego where the term, "don't shoot the messenger" comes from. The truth is quite painful to those who are perishing and do not wish to give up the 'comfort' of their sinful lives...sadly, more often than not, it is not so much the sin that they cling to, but rather their own arrogant pride that justifies the very sin that is condemning them:(
Remember...Real Truth Is Self Evident;)
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 427529
11/11/2008 3:59 PM | | Re: Does accepting Jesus as savior make one a Christian? | Quote |
My path is mine to walk, no matter who disapproves. Quoting: canislatrans
even if the bible disproves that you are not on the right path? |
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canislatrans
Coyote
User ID: 516342
11/11/2008 4:00 PM
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My path is mine to walk, no matter who disapproves.
even if the bible disproves that you are not on the right path? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 427529
I'm assuming by your reply that you selectively read my post.
And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music. |
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Bendah!
User ID: 456442
11/11/2008 4:01 PM | | Re: Does accepting Jesus as savior make one a Christian? | Quote |
Accepting a saviour is the same thing as giving up and calling it a day.
All you need is you. |
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riker
make it so
User ID: 505009
11/11/2008 4:03 PM
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You don't know ANYTHING about how someone feels and whether they are sincere in their relationship with God.... or how happy someone else is for that matter.
The more often I find myself performing selfless acts of love for others and myself, the more often I feel a warming in my heart and the sensation of knowing I have done something Jesus would have done... I know I am on the right track regardless of what anyone here on earth may tell me. :) My path is mine to walk, no matter who disapproves. I know where it really counts, and that is all that matters to me. Quoting: canislatrans
You are kinder than I. I can't stand these self-righteous hypocrites.
So this is how liberty dies.... with thunderous applause. |
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Within The Flower
User ID: 545324
11/11/2008 4:04 PM
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Plainly... NO.
I myself accepted Yeshua (Jesus) The Christ as my personal guide and saviour, but i do not consider myself a Christian, rather, i would say that i am an "Occultist/Esoteric Follower of The Christ and Sophia".... But, you may do as most other "christians" have done so far and simply call me a pagan - as the term does not offend me whatsoever, actually, i am honoured to carry its burden. (and a hell of a burden it is - try living in the middle of fanatic fundamentalist christian cattle country as one who is openly pagan)
In all things, i am flowing back thru and in and out, within and without and beyond them.
This is the Cosm. This is both I and You.
I am the Truth, and I am the Lie - I am the very spark of the Divine!
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DOOM - It's What's For Dinner!
A.K.A - Aresh, Awakened Me, An Ominous Coward (Howard), The Goddess Pandora, Aumon Haht Fith Ashai, Within The Flower and a few others... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 427529
11/11/2008 4:05 PM | | Re: Does accepting Jesus as savior make one a Christian? | Quote |
My path is mine to walk, no matter who disapproves.
even if the bible disproves that you are not on the right path?
I'm assuming by your reply that you selectively read my post. Quoting: canislatrans
can you answer my question? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 427529
11/11/2008 4:07 PM | | Re: Does accepting Jesus as savior make one a Christian? | Quote |
Plainly... NO.
I myself accepted Yeshua (Jesus) The Christ as my personal guide and saviour, but i do not consider myself a Christian, rather, i would say that i am an "Occultist/Esoteric Follower of The Christ and Sophia".... But, you may do as most other "christians" have done so far and simply call me a pagan - as the term does not offend me whatsoever, actually, i am honoured to carry its burden. (and a hell of a burden it is - try living in the middle of fanatic fundamentalist christian cattle country as one who is openly pagan) Quoting: Within The Flower
you're saying you have "accepted" an imaginary, false Jesus to cater to your beliefs and sins?
you are not the only one... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 545783
11/11/2008 4:11 PM | | Re: Does accepting Jesus as savior make one a Christian? | Quote |
Jesus never asked anyone to accept him as their savior. This is a theological construct that was overlaid upon gospel accounts. He says that those who believe him, in him, in his message, and who practice his ways will find eternal life, and will see the 'kingdom of heaven.' Finding eternal life occurs during the course of one's life, finding the kingdom of heaven occurs in this lifetime. The kingdom of heaven is like a pearl, once one finds it (sees it) they are willing to sell their possessions in order to purchase it, one story explains. It's not a "Show me yours and I'll show you mine" proposition. It's not a "pay first, then see the goods" scam. |
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canislatrans
Coyote
User ID: 516342
11/11/2008 4:14 PM
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can you answer my question? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 427529
When God has a problem with the way I conduct my life he lets me know in a big way. I have corrected many problems in my life and many incorrect ways of thinking, however the way I love is not one of them.
Galatians 3:28.
And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music. |
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Within The Flower
User ID: 545324
11/11/2008 4:15 PM
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you're saying you have "accepted" an imaginary, false Jesus to cater to your beliefs and sins?
you are not the only one... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 427529
oh, how kind of you to assume such.
Actually, i accepted Yeshua as my saviour when i was but a child. At that time, i was a "christian".
It was after bowing to my knees, and praying to him, asking him to come into my heart and guide me and save me from my sins and transgressions that i left the church.
i left the church and "christianity" because of my readings of the bible with guidance of prayer to Jesus.
And, no, i do not expect anything to cater to my beliefs nor to my sins - period.
Just because i call myself something other than a christian does not make me a false idol worshiper.
"Judge not, lest thee be judged thyself" - wise words
In all things, i am flowing back thru and in and out, within and without and beyond them.
This is the Cosm. This is both I and You.
I am the Truth, and I am the Lie - I am the very spark of the Divine!
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DOOM - It's What's For Dinner!
A.K.A - Aresh, Awakened Me, An Ominous Coward (Howard), The Goddess Pandora, Aumon Haht Fith Ashai, Within The Flower and a few others... |
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canislatrans
Coyote
User ID: 516342
11/11/2008 4:16 PM
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you're saying you have "accepted" an imaginary, false Jesus to cater to your beliefs and sins?
you are not the only one... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 427529
You assume quite a bit about other people. Did you know Jesus talked about people who do that?
Matthew 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
You may want to brush up on the bible there yourself.
And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 427529
11/11/2008 4:21 PM | | Re: Does accepting Jesus as savior make one a Christian? | Quote |
"Judge not, lest thee be judged thyself" - wise words Quoting: Within The Flower
we are supposed to judge those who profess to be followers of jesus christ in order to prove their insincerity.
therefore i have judged you and concluded that you are not in fact following the Jesus Christ depicted in the scriptures, but rather one you have construed our of your own imagination to cater to your sins and "new age" beliefs.
You assume quite a bit about other people. Did you know Jesus talked about people who do that?
Matthew 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
You may want to brush up on the bible there yourself. Quoting: canislatrans
see above post. you may want to brush up on the bible. |
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riker
make it so
User ID: 505009
11/11/2008 4:22 PM
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see above post. you may want to brush up on the bible. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 427529
typical christian.
So this is how liberty dies.... with thunderous applause. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 427529
11/11/2008 4:22 PM | | Re: Does accepting Jesus as savior make one a Christian? | Quote |
can you answer my question?
When God has a problem with the way I conduct my life he lets me know in a big way. I have corrected many problems in my life and many incorrect ways of thinking, however the way I love is not one of them.
Galatians 3:28. Quoting: canislatrans
you claim to be an avid reader of the scriptures.
what does the bible say about homosexuality? |
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canislatrans
Coyote
User ID: 516342
11/11/2008 4:23 PM
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therefore i have judged you and concluded that you are not in fact following the Jesus Christ depicted in the scriptures, but rather one you have construed our of your own imagination to cater to your sins and "new age" beliefs. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 427529
I'm sorry you feel that way. :)
And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music. |
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canislatrans
Coyote
User ID: 516342
11/11/2008 4:24 PM
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you claim to be an avid reader of the scriptures.
what does the bible say about homosexuality? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 427529
I posted a pertinent quote in the reply you quoted. Read it.
And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 427529
11/11/2008 4:24 PM | | Re: Does accepting Jesus as savior make one a Christian? | Quote |
you claim to be an avid reader of the scriptures.
what does the bible say about homosexuality?
I posted a pertinent quote in the reply you quoted. Read it. Quoting: canislatrans
what does the bible say about homosexuality, canislatrans? |
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canislatrans
Coyote
User ID: 516342
11/11/2008 4:25 PM
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what does the bible say about homosexuality, canislatrans? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 427529
Galatians 3:28.
And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music. |
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riker
make it so
User ID: 505009
11/11/2008 4:26 PM
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therefore i have judged you Quoting: Anonymous Coward 427529
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So this is how liberty dies.... with thunderous applause. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 427529
11/11/2008 4:29 PM | | Re: Does accepting Jesus as savior make one a Christian? | Quote |
what does the bible say about homosexuality, canislatrans?
Galatians 3:28. Quoting: canislatrans
"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence [sic] of their error which was meet." [Romans 1:26-27]
"I have come as Light into the world, so that everyone who believes in Me will not remain in darkness." [john 12:26]
if you were a genuine follower of jesus christ, you would not be a homosexual. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 427529
11/11/2008 4:31 PM | | Re: Does accepting Jesus as savior make one a Christian? | Quote |
gotta go, take care canislatrans - and riker who has contributed so much insight to this discussion. |
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riker
make it so
User ID: 505009
11/11/2008 4:35 PM
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gotta go, take care canislatrans - and riker who has contributed so much insight to this discussion. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 427529
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