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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 429245 (OP)
 United States
11/13/2008 7:51 PM | | Re: Cartoon spoofing Obama and his ideas...but wait.... | Quote |
Obeytheoctapus,
What is your IQ? I think you gave us a clue when you posted that post. (smile)
Just saying...
alzaya |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 482097
United States
11/13/2008 8:28 PM | | Re: Cartoon spoofing Obama and his ideas...but wait.... | Quote |
you're gonna ask the same governments who have been fucking people over for ages to all-of-a-sudden provide for the common person with love and equality?
before you even begin taking such an idea seriously, a massive purging of governments needs to take place, AND some sort of major shift in thinking needs to happen among those who seek power
but i have a better idea...how bout we let people keep every dime they make without shelling any of it out to the government black hole...give everyone the knowledge of survival and providing for themselves...achieves the same goal without government tit/middle man
First, to the one who asked my age. I am 70 years old.
To the above, your 'better idea' won't do squat for the starving around the world. Many people in the US don't have a job. Just today, I heard the new crop of people appling for unemployment benefits at 10 million, and that doesn't include those who have run out of benefits.
We aren't succeeding with the current policies, that's for sure. We have to demand as a whole for a chance at happiness, and let me tell you, there is little happiness for a person with a family making minimum wage. It's enough to break a person's back.
We will get absolutely nowhere with the attitude that you have. If we demand the basic necessities to be furnished with our tax dollars, that will take care of the love and inequality.
I know for sure, one can't have a defeatist attitude! "WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT, or we should be, and it's our own fault if we continue to accept things as they are.
I won't be dubbed as one that isn't trying and promoting a solution. I am trying very hard to get people to really read the Worldwide United Foundations proposals. It most certainly can work, and anyone that says it won't has a very closed mind, imo.
But thanks for replying.
alzaya Quoting: Anonymous Coward 429245
"We aren't succeeding with the current policies, that's for sure."
trust me, someone is succeeding with the current policies...but it's probably not anyone you or i know personally...and that's the point...i hope you don't think that these "policies" are the creation of a failed incompetent body...as FDR said in so many words, there are no accidents in politics...enough food is produced in america to feed the world several times, or this at least used to be the case...the fact that people go hungry has all to do with politics...food as a weapon...jobs being lost either through cuts or out-sourcing, money evaporating - all planned and carried out by those on high...
"We will get absolutely nowhere with the attitude that you have. If we demand the basic necessities to be furnished with our tax dollars, that will take care of the love and inequality."
you do nothing but remold the problem by having people become dependent on government for basic needs...you may lack an understanding of the federal reserve and taxes - i don't know...but if this weren't a debt-based economy, and people kept all of the money they earned, instead of paying unconstitutional taxes and having their savings wiped out by inflation, wealth would be plentiful...and consumer groups and civil groups would arise to help fill the need of those still not able to make it
one must be able to help oneself before one takes on the task of helping others...that's not selfish, it's logical
and if you rely on a central government to provide, you're only asking for trouble...that's why no one should give their money to government...keep it for yourself |
| Rigo
User ID: 532566
United States
11/13/2008 8:28 PM | | Re: Cartoon spoofing Obama and his ideas...but wait.... | Quote |
Dear Predictor,
Where ever you got the quote about righteousness being beset by devilish iniquities of the flesh and the tyranny of men. i
Pulp Fiction Quoting: Mr. Predictor
Never watched it all the way through but certainly sounds like something the lunatic characters would say; Agree pure pulp fiction.
wwunited.org is no pulp or fiction |
| rigo
User ID: 532566
United States
11/13/2008 8:46 PM | | Re: Cartoon spoofing Obama and his ideas...but wait.... | Quote |
you're gonna ask the same governments who have been fucking people over for ages to all-of-a-sudden provide for the common person with love and equality?
before you even begin taking such an idea seriously, a massive purging of governments needs to take place, AND some sort of major shift in thinking needs to happen among those who seek power
but i have a better idea...how bout we let people keep every dime they make without shelling any of it out to the government black hole...give everyone the knowledge of survival and providing for themselves...achieves the same goal without government tit/middle man
First, to the one who asked my age. I am 70 years old.
To the above, your 'better idea' won't do squat for the starving around the world. Many people in the US don't have a job. Just today, I heard the new crop of people appling for unemployment benefits at 10 million, and that doesn't include those who have run out of benefits.
We aren't succeeding with the current policies, that's for sure. We have to demand as a whole for a chance at happiness, and let me tell you, there is little happiness for a person with a family making minimum wage. It's enough to break a person's back.
We will get absolutely nowhere with the attitude that you have. If we demand the basic necessities to be furnished with our tax dollars, that will take care of the love and inequality.
I know for sure, one can't have a defeatist attitude! "WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT, or we should be, and it's our own fault if we continue to accept things as they are.
I won't be dubbed as one that isn't trying and promoting a solution. I am trying very hard to get people to really read the Worldwide United Foundations proposals. It most certainly can work, and anyone that says it won't has a very closed mind, imo.
But thanks for replying.
alzaya
"We aren't succeeding with the current policies, that's for sure."
trust me, someone is succeeding with the current policies...but it's probably not anyone you or i know personally...and that's the point...i hope you don't think that these "policies" are the creation of a failed incompetent body...as FDR said in so many words, there are no accidents in politics...enough food is produced in america to feed the world several times, or this at least used to be the case...the fact that people go hungry has all to do with politics...food as a weapon...jobs being lost either through cuts or out-sourcing, money evaporating - all planned and carried out by those on high...
"We will get absolutely nowhere with the attitude that you have. If we demand the basic necessities to be furnished with our tax dollars, that will take care of the love and inequality."
you do nothing but remold the problem by having people become dependent on government for basic needs...you may lack an understanding of the federal reserve and taxes - i don't know...but if this weren't a debt-based economy, and people kept all of the money they earned, instead of paying unconstitutional taxes and having their savings wiped out by inflation, wealth would be plentiful...and consumer groups and civil groups would arise to help fill the need of those still not able to make it
one must be able to help oneself before one takes on the task of helping others...that's not selfish, it's logical
and if you rely on a central government to provide, you're only asking for trouble...that's why no one should give their money to government...keep it for yourself Quoting: Anonymous Coward 482097
What would be your answer then to growing poverty, homelessness, hunger, effectively unaffordable health care, an entire generation of young men and women battling PTSD with two wars with no end in sight, another war on terrorism, drugs, increasing unemployment, middle class who ostensibly can "help themselves" that are disappearing.
Government spends a helluva lot more than what it actually brings in through taxes.
Logically with the basics the poorest of people would be able to help themselves and no one has to worry about the rich they will find creative commerical ways to help the poor.
Case in point, ceo's of the red cross, united way and others make hefty salaries in the name of charitable work.
Capitalism can work its best when it is first and primarily used to make sure all human beings have the basics which then allows any one to work for greater material wealth if desired. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 482097
United States
11/13/2008 9:07 PM | | Re: Cartoon spoofing Obama and his ideas...but wait.... | Quote |
What would be your answer then to growing poverty, homelessness, hunger, effectively unaffordable health care, an entire generation of young men and women battling PTSD with two wars with no end in sight, another war on terrorism, drugs, increasing unemployment, middle class who ostensibly can "help themselves" that are disappearing. Quoting: rigo 532566
education, education, education
NOTHING can be done unless people know why these problems exist |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 116726
United States
11/14/2008 8:07 AM | | Re: Cartoon spoofing Obama and his ideas...but wait.... | Quote |
What would be your answer then to growing poverty, homelessness, hunger, effectively unaffordable health care, an entire generation of young men and women battling PTSD with two wars with no end in sight, another war on terrorism, drugs, increasing unemployment, middle class who ostensibly can "help themselves" that are disappearing.
education, education, education
NOTHING can be done unless people know why these problems exist Quoting: Anonymous Coward 482097
It would seem to me that education--as I'm understanding what you mean is to just understand why these problems exist?
If I'm understanding the premise of the Worldwide United Foundation all people are not created equal, in that some are born into bodies that aren't capable of doing what other people do. As I've observed the human family, the real problem is that we don't treat each other with the same respect that we'd like to be treated, so a vast difference exists between human beings. If that gap were to be closed by allowing basic necessities to be given to all, one could live off the necessities and be happy, one could shun the giving of necessities and earn their happiness through their jobs, and some could get the basics for free and then work for the fun stuff. Now, I could enjoy working if I knew I didn't need to work 40 hours plus, just to put food on the table and a cover over my head. Now what is so hard to understand about a plan like that???? There have been many employers I'd like to have told, "I don't need to work for you anymore, because I don't like how I'm being treated." If a plan like the WUF existed, workers could choose where to work and how much and soon employers would have to be more caring for their employees and treat them with some respect. Then if respected as an employee, they would treat the customer with respect--wow that could be a better place, just by adding a few segments of the WUF--and I'm not even talking about ending the wars yet--I'm just talking ending the strife that leads to the hate that leads to the wars--etc. etc. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 116726
United States
11/14/2008 8:37 AM | | Re: Cartoon spoofing Obama and his ideas...but wait.... | Quote |
In the following link, I found this quote:
"It is not enough to make peace, this peace must be a just peace and the causes of war, such as hunger and poverty, must be treated at their roots."
With that in mind the biggest war we need to fight at this time is the war against poverty and inequality.
[link to www.turkishpress.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 429245 (OP)
United States
11/14/2008 8:48 AM | | Re: Cartoon spoofing Obama and his ideas...but wait.... | Quote |
How many of you believe that "doing unto others as you would like them to do unto you" would make for a peaceful and happy world? Isn't that what we're all after? Happiness? And one can't be happy in a world full of hate and killing.
If everyone had their basic needs fulfilled, how many people would volunteer to join the military and kill others? I'm sure no one would. Why would they?
A plan like the WUF's would stop terrorism completely.
It would reduce the prison population, because a lot of crime comes from poverty and inequality.
It would improve health because many can't afford healthy food.
It would insure that all people had the same 'right to life' as the wealthy do now, because health care would be available to everyone, equally.
The plan would ensure the free market would thrive because we all would have extra money to spend on the things that many of us can't afford now.
The WUF is a win, win plan for all...the wealthy and the poor.
Just knowing that children and babies won't go to bed hungry should be enough reason to support this plan.
So many people fall through the cracks in our current welfare system. In short, we need to care about our fellow brothers and sisters...and I mean REALLY care!
alzaya |
| fërú. 
dot connector
User ID: 550852
 Mexico
11/14/2008 8:54 AM
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my hope in obama just die yesterday when I read that one of his priorities is to find Osama Bin laden...
He should know by now that Osama is dead since long time ago...
he just will keep the goal as it was planned. And as was orchestrated by the bushes.
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2010 the beginning of all.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 429245 (OP)
United States
11/14/2008 8:59 AM | | Re: Cartoon spoofing Obama and his ideas...but wait.... | Quote |
In the following link, I found this quote:
"It is not enough to make peace, this peace must be a just peace and the causes of war, such as hunger and poverty, must be treated at their roots."
With that in mind the biggest war we need to fight at this time is the war against poverty and inequality.
[ link to www.turkishpress.com]
Wow! I see some other people are understanding what the WUF believes.
Great post ac 116726.
alzaya |
| SpiderGirl
User ID: 475125
United States
11/14/2008 9:19 AM | | Re: Cartoon spoofing Obama and his ideas...but wait.... | Quote |
Alzaya - WUF is onto something so keep on saying it! People will start thinking differently, that no man is an island, once their safe community/bubble starts showing signs of this. Part of this current scenario is to show that we are all connected.
Good Work, girlfriend, a very noble cause!
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 532150
United States
11/14/2008 9:48 AM | | Re: Cartoon spoofing Obama and his ideas...but wait.... | Quote |
As soon as I get my basic needs met, I'm gonna take a nap... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 429245 (OP)
United States
11/14/2008 9:49 AM | | Re: Cartoon spoofing Obama and his ideas...but wait.... | Quote |
Thank you SpiderGirl.
I appreciate your vote of confidence.
Alzaya |
| ObeyTheOctopus
User ID: 452708
United States
11/14/2008 5:49 PM
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Obeytheoctapus,
What is your IQ? I think you gave us a clue when you posted that post. (smile)
Just saying...
alzaya Quoting: Anonymous Coward 429245
You'd be surprised. It's actually quite high. Shows what good those tests are.
"Buy the ticket, take the ride." |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 429245 (OP)
United States
11/15/2008 7:52 AM | | Re: Cartoon spoofing Obama and his ideas...but wait.... | Quote |
Obeytheoctapus,
What is your IQ? I think you gave us a clue when you posted that post. (smile)
Just saying...
alzaya
You'd be surprised. It's actually quite high. Shows what good those tests are.
No hard feeling here. Maybe you're like Einstein...brilliant but no common sense. LOL
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Here is a post I found on the WUF discussion forum:
In part:
Isn't is amazing how ignorant the so-called "educated" and "informed" people in this world are?
They will say, "Great plan to take care of our basic necessities, put whose going to pay for it?"
Fools. Do they listen to the news? Do they know what a "bailout" is? Do they know where this money comes from?
Has not Barack Obama and the other government leaders determined that it is in the best interests of the economy, not only of the United States, but of the entire world, to bail out certain sectors of business and finance so that the economy doesn't fail?
If the government can spend billions and billions, trillions once they are done over the next few years, bailing out companies so that people won't lose their investments, their pensions, their retirement health care plan, etc., then why is it so hard for these same "wise ones" to not understand the concept of letting the insurance companies, investment companies, auto industries, airlines, etc fail and concentrate the same efforts on "bailing out" those who provide good, nutritious food, low income and Section 8 housing, Medicaid and Medicare, and student loans? Why can't they see the benefit of the government investing not only its limitless access to all the money they want, but all of its resources into providing these basic elements of human survival to the people of the world? Is not the human race worthy of a government bailout?
Whether the "wise ones" like it or not, the principles presented by the WUF will come one way or another.
Is not receiving Social Security in one's old age a form of a government welfare check? Is it not a principle of Socialism? Yes it is! Instead of giving a person free food, clothing, shelter or health care, the government is giving away the CASH TO BUY THESE THINGS!
Is not serving in the military, serving one's country, a form of Socialism? I don't think anyone can find another employment opportunity in this world that is more Socialistic! All of their basic needs are taken care of as long as they do their job. AND BELIEVE YOU ME, THEIR JOB IS NOT DEFENDING "OUR" COUNTRY! Furthermore, there wouldn't be a soldier in the field if they were not being paid and having all of their needs taken care of. Soldiers serve their country to serve themselves first. If we truly want to see how many soldiers are sincerely dedicated to the cause of their service, then we need to take away all of their cash pay and bonuses and only provide them and their dependents with free nutritious food, free shelter, free health care, free education, and free clothing. BY DARN, we are already providing them these things AND giving them money to buy what they want! AGAIN, let's make it a law that those who actually SERVE THEIR COUNTRY should only be provided with the basic necessities of life as mentioned above. If we did this, no one would serve, all would have to be drafted! (I can say these things because I am a Veteran and I have a son who currently serves in the military--so there!!)
:-)
The economy has changed over the history of time in this world, especially during the latest periods of human development known as the Industrial and Technological Ages. Machines and information have replaced the need for human labor. Yes, humans in many instances, (and these instances are multiplying everyday as technology increases,) are becoming obsolete to the world and the way it does business. The economy of the world simply does not need humans like it used to in order to succeed.
So if the economy of the world (mainly the Capitalistic economies) do not need humans, then what's to become of them? Where do they turn to care for themselves? They can't go into the forest and build them a house and catch fish and wildlife to live on. Why? Because the government will come and throw them in jail for not owning the land, not having a license to fish and hunt with or having the means to pay the property tax on the land even if they did own it.
The governments and their established economies have forced all of us to become a part of them and accept them or be punished by them. So, we are forced to need them. They are not forced to need us.
Again we make the same challenge to the new American government that we have always made to the old one: WE CHALLENGE YOU TO EXPLAIN WHY THE PLAN PRESENTED BY THE WORLDWIDE UNITED FOUNDATION WILL NOT WORK!
We have had no takers to the challenge. Why? Because it will work!
The cartoon presented says a lot. But what it is really saying is: Obama, you're an idiot!
Well he might be. But the plan and hope the inference of his message provided in comic relief...
...certainly is not!
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 557389
United States
11/23/2008 10:17 AM | | Re: Cartoon spoofing Obama and his ideas...but wait.... | Quote |
If people would go to www.wwunited.org with and open mind and read the declaration it makes sense for all people no matter what their social/economic status---rich, middleclass and poor will benefit from a plan that takes care of those who struggle for survival in a capitalistic society. Those who even though they have a college education, end up working extreme hours at multiple jobs just to pay the rent and put food on the table. It would provide that children are not left alone behind locked doors while both parents go out to work in a world that leaves them depressed and downtrodden.
Their is hope! There is a cure for a depressed people in a depress(ed)ing economy. When people have shelter and clothing, and are not continually searching for a place to stay warm (or cool) and when a persons basic nutritional needs are taken care of they have better health, and more energy. They will become more active in their lifestyles because of the hope that they find in their hearts and be able to take jobs and do a better job at their employment and maybe find joy in their attempts to earn money to pay for the cell phones, entertainment centers and travel...oh and don't forget...chocolate
Have some compassion, do to others what you would have done to you---BE HAPPY! and give everyone else an equal opportunity to do the same, without having to worry about daily survival. |
| juniper_saje
User ID: 557389
United States
11/23/2008 10:38 AM
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"Have hope that if we cannot figure it our for ourselves, maybe there's some other society of advanced human beings out there that will one day aid us in "figuring it out." :-)
Remember, however, we are free willed and sometimes intelligent people. We can figure it out for ourselves if we just put ourselves in the position of the "least" human being upon the earth, with the least advantages, and determine how we would want to be treated by the rest of society.
Our biggest problem in not coming up with a solution lies in not considering the plight of the "least" but protecting the way of the "greatest" among us.
All we have to do is figure out how to guarantee a human being a stress-free existence, and then let that human, no matter if he or she be the "least" of the "greatest", pursue and reach his or her potential--each individually different.
Oh, The WUF already figured it out.
But who is listening?"
posted 11/6/2008
worldwideunitedfoundation@yahoogroups.com
Are you LISTENING for an answer? or are you simply complaining?
add your signature to THE plan that can work.
www.wwunited.org
we are all so different, which makes us all the same. |
| juniper_saje
User ID: 557389
United States
11/23/2008 12:07 PM
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 for a plan that Can work
we are all so different, which makes us all the same. |
| Fish
User ID: 514703
United States
11/23/2008 12:12 PM
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