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Absolute Undesputable Factual Proof That Bible Prophesy Is A Total Fraud

 
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Absolute Undesputable Factual Proof That Bible Prophesy Is A Total Fraud
Preachers love to preach about: "Bible prophesy"

They will say things like:

"The bible tells us that Jebidia's son was 18 and
he had 6 goats. Then he bought 6 more goats, he
now had 12 goats. Hey...... That's bible prophesy.
God is telling us that the world will end in 1812".

....Fail...

Real bible prophesy would be like:

A man named Ford will invent the Model A.

Or: Edison will invent the light bulb.

Or: man will have computers and connect to the internet.

Or: men will have spacecraft and there will be
Satalites in space orbiting the earth.

Or, men will have toasters and drive
Toyotas.

A real.... "All knowing"....god Would have known
All those things.... And correctly predicted....

...something....anything........

MIRVS?......NO
Eyeglasses?.....No.
Television?......No
Helicopter gunships?...NO
New Jersey?......NO
Tampons?......NO
OJ Simpson?.....NO

Well then surely radio?...No

How about motorcycles?.....NO
The Kansas City Cheifs?.....No
Pet rocks?....No
Hula hoops?.......NO

Well at least I'm certain that god prophesied
specifically that Obama would replace George W
as Pres in 2008! ......NO

Well sh!t. That "all knowing" god is just a
load of crap then.

And that, boys and girls, is the truth.

So.. the next time someone mentions "bible prophesy"
to you,... read them the riot act.

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You are the riot.

Unique among all books ever written, the Bible accurately foretells specific events-in detail-many years, sometimes centuries, before they occur. Approximately 2500 prophecies appear in the pages of the Bible, about 2000 of which already have been fulfilled to the letter—no errors. (The remaining 500 or so reach into the future and may be seen unfolding as days go by.) Since the probability for any one of these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance averages less than one in ten (figured very conservatively) and since the prophecies are for the most part independent of one another, the odds for all these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance without error is less than one in 102000 (that is 1 with 2000 zeros written after it)!

God is not the only one, however, who uses forecasts of future events to get people's attention. Satan does, too. Through clairvoyants (such as Jeanne Dixon and Edgar Cayce), mediums, spiritists, and others, come remarkable predictions, though rarely with more than about 60 percent accuracy, never with total accuracy. Messages from Satan, furthermore, fail to match the detail of Bible prophecies, nor do they include a call to repentance.

The acid test for identifying a prophet of God is recorded by Moses in Deuteronomy 18:21-22. According to this Bible passage (and others), God's prophets, as distinct from Satan's spokesmen, are 100 percent accurate in their predictions. There is no room for error.

As economy does not permit an explanation of all the Biblical prophecies that have been fulfilled, what follows in a discussion of a few that exemplify the high degree of specificity, the range of projection, and/or the "supernature" of the predicted events. Readers are encouraged to select others, as well, and to carefully examine their historicity.


-------------------------------------------------------------​-------------------

(1) Some time before 500 B.C. the prophet Daniel proclaimed that Israel's long-awaited Messiah would begin his public ministry 483 years after the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem (Daniel 9:25-26). He further predicted that the Messiah would be "cut off," killed, and that this event would take place prior to a second destruction of Jerusalem. Abundant documentation shows that these prophecies were perfectly fulfilled in the life (and crucifixion) of Jesus Christ. The decree regarding the restoration of Jerusalem was issued by Persia's King Artaxerxes to the Hebrew priest Ezra in 458 B.C., 483 years later the ministry of Jesus Christ began in Galilee. (Remember that due to calendar changes, the date for the start of Christ's ministry is set by most historians at about 26 A.D. Also note that from 1 B.C. to 1 A.D. is just one year.) Jesus' crucifixion occurred only a few years later, and about four decades later, in 70 A.D. came the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 105.)*


-------------------------------------------------------------​-------------------

(2) In approximately 700 B.C. the prophet Micah named the tiny village of Bethlehem as the birthplace of Israel's Messiah (Micah 5:2). The fulfillment of this prophecy in the birth of Christ is one of the most widely known and widely celebrated facts in history.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 105.)


-------------------------------------------------------------​-------------------

(3) In the fifth century B.C. a prophet named Zechariah declared that the Messiah would be betrayed for the price of a slave—thirty pieces of silver, according to Jewish law-and also that this money would be used to buy a burial ground for Jerusalem's poor foreigners (Zechariah 11:12-13). Bible writers and secular historians both record thirty pieces of silver as the sum paid to Judas Iscariot for betraying Jesus, and they indicate that the money went to purchase a "potter's field," used—just as predicted—for the burial of poor aliens (Matthew 27:3-10).

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1011.)


-------------------------------------------------------------​-------------------

(4) Some 400 years before crucifixion was invented, both Israel's King David and the prophet Zechariah described the Messiah's death in words that perfectly depict that mode of execution. Further, they said that the body would be pierced and that none of the bones would be broken, contrary to customary procedure in cases of crucifixion (Psalm 22 and 34:20; Zechariah 12:10). Again, historians and New Testament writers confirm the fulfillment: Jesus of Nazareth died on a Roman cross, and his extraordinarily quick death eliminated the need for the usual breaking of bones. A spear was thrust into his side to verify that he was, indeed, dead.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1013.)
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He could of warned us about Stephen Hawking tho.

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Preachers love to preach about: "Bible prophesy"

They will say things like:

"The bible tells us that Jebidia's son was 18 and
he had 6 goats. Then he bought 6 more goats, he
now had 12 goats. Hey...... That's bible prophesy.
God is telling us that the world will end in 1812".

....Fail...

Real bible prophesy would be like:

A man named Ford will invent the Model A.

Or: Edison will invent the light bulb.

Or: man will have computers and connect to the internet.

Or: men will have spacecraft and there will be
Satalites in space orbiting the earth.

Or, men will have toasters and drive
Toyotas.

A real.... "All knowing"....god Would have known
All those things.... And correctly predicted....

...something....anything........

MIRVS?......NO
Eyeglasses?.....No.
Television?......No
Helicopter gunships?...NO
New Jersey?......NO
Tampons?......NO
OJ Simpson?.....NO

Well then surely radio?...No

How about motorcycles?.....NO
The Kansas City Cheifs?.....No
Pet rocks?....No
Hula hoops?.......NO

Well at least I'm certain that god prophesied
specifically that Obama would replace George W
as Pres in 2008! ......NO

Well sh!t. That "all knowing" god is just a
load of crap then.

And that, boys and girls, is the truth.

So.. the next time someone mentions "bible prophesy"
to you,... read them the riot act.

---------------
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 518398

Or, like, 'Our savior will come to Jerusalem riding a donkey"
And He did.

Or that He would be born in Bethlehem. Y'know, there were two Bethlehems. The prophecy was clear on WHICH one.
And Jesus was born there.

Prophecy: Tyre would be scraped bare as a rock, thrown into the sea, and become a place for fishermen's nets...and it was

The prophet Isaiah recorded in the late seventh century BC:

'Babylon, the jewel of kingdoms, the glory of the Babylonians pride, will be overthrown by God like Sodom and Gomorrah. She will never be inhabited or lived in through all generations; no Arab will pitch his tent there, no shepherd will rest his flocks there. But desert creatures will lie there, .. I will turn her into a place for owls and into a swampland; I will sweep her with the broom of destruction,' declares the Lord Almighty... (Isaiah 13:19-21, 23 NASB)

The prophet Jeremiah (sixth century BC) wrote extensively of Babylon's coming destruction and adds detail:

'Flee out of Babylon; leave the land of the Babylonians, and be like the goats that lead the flock. For I will stir up and bring against Babylon an alliance of great nations from the land of the north. They will take up their positions against her, and from the north she will be captured... So Babylonia will be plundered;... Like a lion coming up from Jordan's thickets to a rich pastureland, I will chase Babylon from its land in an instant... Babylon will suddenly fall and be broken... I will fill you with men, as with a swarm of locusts, and they will shout in triumph over you... No rock will be taken from you for a cornerstone, nor any stone for a foundation, for you will be desolate forever,' declares the Lord.

The sea will rise over Babylon; its roaring waves will cover her. Her towns will be desolate, a dry and desert land, a land where no one lives... I will make her officials and wise men drunk,... they will sleep forever and not awake... Babylon's thick walls will be leveled... When you finish reading this scroll, tie a stone to it and throw it into the Euphrates. Then say, 'So will Babylon sink to rise no more...' (from Jeremiah chapters 50 and 51 NASB)

At the time this prophecy was given, Babylon was arguably one of the most influential powers in the world, and continued to be for another 200 years. Babylon marched on Jerusalem at least twice, taking many Israelites into captivity and devastating Jerusalem in August of 587 BC. Yet how is it that today Jerusalem has become a major city and Babylon remains largely in ruins?


-- HOW HISTORY TURNED OUT

In 539 BC, Cyrus the Great, of Persia, circumvented Babylon's impenetrable walls and gates by cleverly redirecting the Euphrates River with deep trenches. Culminating on October 13, Persian troops then marched out of the north along the shallow riverbed beneath Babylon's walls and secured the city in a single night. The night of the attack caught the Babylonians by surprise as it corresponded with an annual festival they were celebrating. From this point in history, Babylon only declined.

I could go on. Prophecies came true. They are coming true. They will continue to come true.
"From that time Jesus began to preach and say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 4:17
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You are the riot.

Unique among all books ever written, the Bible accurately foretells specific events-in detail-many years, sometimes centuries, before they occur. Approximately 2500 prophecies appear in the pages of the Bible, about 2000 of which already have been fulfilled to the letter—no errors. (The remaining 500 or so reach into the future and may be seen unfolding as days go by.) Since the probability for any one of these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance averages less than one in ten (figured very conservatively) and since the prophecies are for the most part independent of one another, the odds for all these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance without error is less than one in 102000 (that is 1 with 2000 zeros written after it)!

God is not the only one, however, who uses forecasts of future events to get people's attention. Satan does, too. Through clairvoyants (such as Jeanne Dixon and Edgar Cayce), mediums, spiritists, and others, come remarkable predictions, though rarely with more than about 60 percent accuracy, never with total accuracy. Messages from Satan, furthermore, fail to match the detail of Bible prophecies, nor do they include a call to repentance.

The acid test for identifying a prophet of God is recorded by Moses in Deuteronomy 18:21-22. According to this Bible passage (and others), God's prophets, as distinct from Satan's spokesmen, are 100 percent accurate in their predictions. There is no room for error.

As economy does not permit an explanation of all the Biblical prophecies that have been fulfilled, what follows in a discussion of a few that exemplify the high degree of specificity, the range of projection, and/or the "supernature" of the predicted events. Readers are encouraged to select others, as well, and to carefully examine their historicity.


-------------------------------------------------------------​-------------------

(1) Some time before 500 B.C. the prophet Daniel proclaimed that Israel's long-awaited Messiah would begin his public ministry 483 years after the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem (Daniel 9:25-26). He further predicted that the Messiah would be "cut off," killed, and that this event would take place prior to a second destruction of Jerusalem. Abundant documentation shows that these prophecies were perfectly fulfilled in the life (and crucifixion) of Jesus Christ. The decree regarding the restoration of Jerusalem was issued by Persia's King Artaxerxes to the Hebrew priest Ezra in 458 B.C., 483 years later the ministry of Jesus Christ began in Galilee. (Remember that due to calendar changes, the date for the start of Christ's ministry is set by most historians at about 26 A.D. Also note that from 1 B.C. to 1 A.D. is just one year.) Jesus' crucifixion occurred only a few years later, and about four decades later, in 70 A.D. came the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 105.)*

--------------------------------

Well Thats just hunky dory..

Now point out some relevant MODERN DAY day prophesys
that occured time, date, names. places rather than old unverifiable shit.

We want names, dates, places amounts, ect.. SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED.

Things like I mentioned in my original post.
Thats what we have to have.
Old unverifiable crap in your bible is meaningless.

we need SPECIFIC FACTS.
Example:

ON 11-13 2008, The plunge protection team propped the stock market up from a 300 point loss to a 550 point gain.

Since your god missed that one, what is your god predicting will happen..... Specifically.... in the stock market tomorrow?

Or anything else SPECIFICLLY that will happen or has happened in the last 20 years. Chapter and verse.

chop chop
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(2) In approximately 700 B.C. the prophet Micah named the tiny village of Bethlehem as the birthplace of Israel's Messiah (Micah 5:2). The fulfillment of this prophecy in the birth of Christ is one of the most widely known and widely celebrated facts in history.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 105.)


-------------------------------------------------------------​-------------------

(3) In the fifth century B.C. a prophet named Zechariah declared that the Messiah would be betrayed for the price of a slave—thirty pieces of silver, according to Jewish law-and also that this money would be used to buy a burial ground for Jerusalem's poor foreigners (Zechariah 11:12-13). Bible writers and secular historians both record thirty pieces of silver as the sum paid to Judas Iscariot for betraying Jesus, and they indicate that the money went to purchase a "potter's field," used—just as predicted—for the burial of poor aliens (Matthew 27:3-10).

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1011.)


-------------------------------------------------------------​-------------------

(4) Some 400 years before crucifixion was invented, both Israel's King David and the prophet Zechariah described the Messiah's death in words that perfectly depict that mode of execution. Further, they said that the body would be pierced and that none of the bones would be broken, contrary to customary procedure in cases of crucifixion (Psalm 22 and 34:20; Zechariah 12:10). Again, historians and New Testament writers confirm the fulfillment: Jesus of Nazareth died on a Roman cross, and his extraordinarily quick death eliminated the need for the usual breaking of bones. A spear was thrust into his side to verify that he was, indeed, dead.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1013.)
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You are the riot.

Unique among all books ever written, the Bible accurately foretells specific events-in detail-many years, sometimes centuries, before they occur. Approximately 2500 prophecies appear in the pages of the Bible, about 2000 of which already have been fulfilled to the letter—no errors. (The remaining 500 or so reach into the future and may be seen unfolding as days go by.) Since the probability for any one of these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance averages less than one in ten (figured very conservatively) and since the prophecies are for the most part independent of one another, the odds for all these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance without error is less than one in 102000 (that is 1 with 2000 zeros written after it)!

God is not the only one, however, who uses forecasts of future events to get people's attention. Satan does, too. Through clairvoyants (such as Jeanne Dixon and Edgar Cayce), mediums, spiritists, and others, come remarkable predictions, though rarely with more than about 60 percent accuracy, never with total accuracy. Messages from Satan, furthermore, fail to match the detail of Bible prophecies, nor do they include a call to repentance.

The acid test for identifying a prophet of God is recorded by Moses in Deuteronomy 18:21-22. According to this Bible passage (and others), God's prophets, as distinct from Satan's spokesmen, are 100 percent accurate in their predictions. There is no room for error.

As economy does not permit an explanation of all the Biblical prophecies that have been fulfilled, what follows in a discussion of a few that exemplify the high degree of specificity, the range of projection, and/or the "supernature" of the predicted events. Readers are encouraged to select others, as well, and to carefully examine their historicity.


-------------------------------------------------------------​-------------------

(1) Some time before 500 B.C. the prophet Daniel proclaimed that Israel's long-awaited Messiah would begin his public ministry 483 years after the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem (Daniel 9:25-26). He further predicted that the Messiah would be "cut off," killed, and that this event would take place prior to a second destruction of Jerusalem. Abundant documentation shows that these prophecies were perfectly fulfilled in the life (and crucifixion) of Jesus Christ. The decree regarding the restoration of Jerusalem was issued by Persia's King Artaxerxes to the Hebrew priest Ezra in 458 B.C., 483 years later the ministry of Jesus Christ began in Galilee. (Remember that due to calendar changes, the date for the start of Christ's ministry is set by most historians at about 26 A.D. Also note that from 1 B.C. to 1 A.D. is just one year.) Jesus' crucifixion occurred only a few years later, and about four decades later, in 70 A.D. came the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 105.)*

--------------------------------



Well Thats just hunky dory..

Now point out some relevant MODERN DAY day prophesys
that occured time, date, names. places rather than old unverifiable shit.

We want names, dates, places amounts, ect.. SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED.

Things like I mentioned in my original post.
Thats what we have to have.
Old unverifiable crap in your bible is meaningless.

we need SPECIFIC FACTS.
Example:

ON 11-13 2008, The plunge protection team propped the stock market up from a 300 point loss to a 550 point gain.

Since your god missed that one, what is your god predicting will happen..... Specifically.... in the stock market tomorrow?

Or anything else SPECIFICLLY that will happen or has happened in the last 20 years. Chapter and verse.

chop chop
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ah, the product of our educational system.
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Bible was written by man.

Man, has a flawed hand.

Bible is flawed.
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ah, the product of our educational system.
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Think of the limitless stupid shit in your crap
bible.

You had a god so stupid, said it
created

"a great light to rule the night".

It didn't know the moon was only a rock
that reflected light.

A god that stupid couldn't pound sand.

Your imaginry god can't do ANYTHING.
Nada,
Nothing.
Its not there.
YOu have simply been brainwashed from birth.

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You are able to take another breath
and your heart continues to beat
only by His permission
and measly ingrate thankless you shakes your impotent fist at Him.
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Preachers love to preach about: "Bible prophesy"

They will say things like:

"The bible tells us that Jebidia's son was 18 and
he had 6 goats. Then he bought 6 more goats, he
now had 12 goats. Hey...... That's bible prophesy.
God is telling us that the world will end in 1812".

....Fail...

Real bible prophesy would be like:

A man named Ford will invent the Model A.

Or: Edison will invent the light bulb.

Or: man will have computers and connect to the internet.

Or: men will have spacecraft and there will be
Satalites in space orbiting the earth.

Or, men will have toasters and drive
Toyotas.

A real.... "All knowing"....god Would have known
All those things.... And correctly predicted....

...something....anything........

MIRVS?......NO
Eyeglasses?.....No.
Television?......No
Helicopter gunships?...NO
New Jersey?......NO
Tampons?......NO
OJ Simpson?.....NO

Well then surely radio?...No

How about motorcycles?.....NO
The Kansas City Cheifs?.....No
Pet rocks?....No
Hula hoops?.......NO

Well at least I'm certain that god prophesied
specifically that Obama would replace George W
as Pres in 2008! ......NO

Well sh!t. That "all knowing" god is just a
load of crap then.

And that, boys and girls, is the truth.

So.. the next time someone mentions "bible prophesy"
to you,... read them the riot act.

---------------
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 518398


Yeah, REAL prophecy looks more like this, from people that "good" Christians burn at the stake.


The Mother Shipton Prophecies


"The fiery year as soon as O'er,
Peace shall then be as before;
Plenty everywhere be found,
And men with swords shall plough the ground.
The time shall come when seas of blood
Shall mingle with a greater flood.
Carriages without horses shall go.
And accidents fill the world with woe.

Around the world thoughts shall fly
In the twinkling of an eye.

Waters shall yet more wonders do,
How strange yet shall be true.
The world upside down shall be,
And gold found at the root of a tree.

Through hills men shall ride
And no horse or ass be by their side;
Under water men shall walk,
Shall ride, shall sleep, shall talk;
In the air men shall be seen,
In white, in black, and in green.

Iron in the water shall float
As easy as a wooden boat;
Gold shall be found, and found
In a land that's not now known.
Fire and water shall more wonders do
England shall at last admit a Jew;
The Jew that was held in scorn
Shall of a Christian be born and born.
 Quoting: The Mother Shipton Prophecies


You might want to think on that last one.
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OP:

You gave "absolute undesputable factual proof" of nothing.

Honestly, you cannot even give "absolute undesputable factual proof" that it is even you posting in the first place.
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(no offense intended ...)
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Yeah, REAL prophecy looks more like this, from people that "good" Christians burn at the stake.


You might want to think on that last one.
 Quoting: Saxon (777)


Christians didn't burn anyone at the stake, the Pope did.

Do you know what the pagan Roman Empire is?
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You are the riot.

Unique among all books ever written, the Bible accurately foretells specific events-in detail-many years, sometimes centuries, before they occur. Approximately 2500 prophecies appear in the pages of the Bible, about 2000 of which already have been fulfilled to the letter—no errors. (The remaining 500 or so reach into the future and may be seen unfolding as days go by.) Since the probability for any one of these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance averages less than one in ten (figured very conservatively) and since the prophecies are for the most part independent of one another, the odds for all these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance without error is less than one in 102000 (that is 1 with 2000 zeros written after it)!

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 541166

Nah, nah, nah I gotta take you on on this.


The Bible wasn't written before Moses, therefore, the Bible couldn't have predicted his event or any event before Moses including Noah. These characters were only written in afterwards, kinda makes you wonder "why GOD would wait so long before giving the Word of all that would take place on Earth halfway into existence.
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Yeah, REAL prophecy looks more like this, from people that "good" Christians burn at the stake.


You might want to think on that last one.


Christians didn't burn anyone at the stake, the Pope did.

Do you know what the pagan Roman Empire is?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 549921


Do you? Or do you believe the distractionary bullshit handed to you from countless PULL-PITS across this land?

However you care to look at the picture, Christianity is Christianity is Christianity. ALL of you hang your hat on the EXACT same "ritual blood sacrifice" that just happens to be founded in LUCIFERIAN Dogma and history.

Hence, the "pagan" Roman Empire is the FATHER of what you believe.

You Christians, SO damn deceived.
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lmao at the bible following idiots

the bible was written by men, end of story

"inspired" my ass
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Bible was written by man.

Man, has a flawed hand.

Bible is flawed.
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wrong.
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OP:

You gave "absolute undesputable factual proof" of nothing.

Honestly, you cannot even give "absolute undesputable factual proof" that it is even you posting in the first place.
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--------------------------------------------

Go back and disprove each one of my statements
in my original post then.

BUwhahahhahaha

They are all true.

You can't dispute a single statemtnt, and of
course your make believe god obviously can't

even fart

so it cant help you.

Having a god who cant fart isn't much fun
is it?

heh.
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Yeah, REAL prophecy looks more like this, from people that "good" Christians burn at the stake.


You might want to think on that last one.


Christians didn't burn anyone at the stake, the Pope did.

Do you know what the pagan Roman Empire is?


Do you? Or do you believe the distractionary bullshit handed to you from countless PULL-PITS across this land?

However you care to look at the picture, Christianity is Christianity is Christianity. ALL of you hang your hat on the EXACT same "ritual blood sacrifice" that just happens to be founded in LUCIFERIAN Dogma and history.

Hence, the "pagan" Roman Empire is the FATHER of what you believe.

You Christians, SO damn deceived.
 Quoting: Saxon (777)


Wrong.
Christianity comes from the Bible written about a very real creator who physically came to earth as a very real man after a very real global flood that wiped out all life on earth, pagan Rome comes from Babylon.

Jews were in Babylon, yet they were still Jews, same with Christianity and Rome. We are in the Roman Empire right now, yet I'm still Christian not pagan Roman. The Pope and his men are pagan Rome.
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The purported fulfillment of prophesy proves absolutely nothing. Even a twelve year old with more than a dozen fully functioning brain cells knows that it is just as easy to fabricate a book which appears to fulfill prophecies as it is to fabricate a book which does not.

In a few weeks I will publish an article showing that there are no realiable prophecies of Christ’s birth, and in fact Christ’s birth, as recorded in the New Testament, is in violation of God’s word as recorded in the Old Testament.

I have studied various versions of the Bible for over fifty years, and have found the book to be nothing mere than a badly written compilation of geographical and historical inaccuracies, scientific absurdities, incoherent dreams and visions, mystic symbolisms, confusing theologies, filthy vulgarities, unimaginable brutalities, and hundreds of self contradictions (thousands if comparisons are made of purported direct quotations. I do not accept the Bible as the word of God, and this is not because I do not understand it, but rather because I do. The ultimate act of blasphemy is to ascribe such garbage to the Perfect Being.

PS: One example of hundreds concerning alleged Biblical prophecies:

“And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene” (Matthew 2:23).

Unlike most Christians, I have actually researched the Bible, and I can assure you that the referenced prophecy is fraudulent. There is not a single verse in the Old Testament which even remotely suggests that Christ would be a Nazarene (born in Nazareth). But don’t take my word for it, check it out yourself!!

What happened, is that Matthew apparently got confused (as he often did) and misread the verse describing Sampson: “For the Child shall be a Nazarite unto God from the womb.” (Judges 13:5). Of course a Nazarite is one who takes a vow to serve God, not someone who is born in a city called Nazareth. There is no mention of a city called Nazareth in the Old Testament.

What makes this whole thing funnier than hell is that after Christ’s birth and escape to Egypt, Matthew has Mary and Joseph going into Israel and returning to Judaea where they were originally from. But after being warned in a dream they made a U-turn and went the other way to Nazareth in order to fulfill the [nonexistent] prophesy “He shall be called a Nazarene.” (Matthew 2:19-23). However, Luke states that Mary and Joseph were originally from Nazareth, and immediately after Christ’s birth and Mary’ compliance with the law (a sin offering for the birth of a male child and presenting the child in the temple), they “returned unto Galilee, to their own city Nazareth” (Luke2:39). According to Luke, Mary and Joseph never went to Egypt, which is a direct contradiction of the birth story told by Matthew.

But don’t take my word for it. Read the birth story in Matthew, and then read the birth story in Luke.
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OP:

You gave "absolute undesputable factual proof" of nothing.

Honestly, you cannot even give "absolute undesputable factual proof" that it is even you posting in the first place.



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Go back and disprove each one of my statements
in my original post then.


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The burden of proof is yours.
You made the claim.
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You are able to take another breath
and your heart continues to beat
only by His permission
and measly ingrate thankless you shakes your impotent fist at Him.
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Hahaha

His permission? His permission?
He is a joke.
Phuck him.

I have been kicking your a$$hole gods nuts
up into his throat for thirty years.

According to your crap bible your god did all of the following

murdered everyone in the cities of Sodum and Gomorra.

slaughtered all the first born babies and animals in Egypy one night.

Slaughtered the population of the planet.

Kills people on less than a whim.

Lets millions of babies starve to death every year.

Never stopped a single abortion.

A c@ck su#ker god like that would have torched me thirty years ago....... if it was a real god.

it hasn't
it wont
It can't.
its just a joke god.
It cant do a single thing.

it's a nothing god

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What say you, Professor?

PS: One example of hundreds concerning alleged Biblical prophecies:

“And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene” (Matthew 2:23).

Unlike most Christians, I have actually researched the Bible, and I can assure you that the referenced prophecy is fraudulent. There is not a single verse in the Old Testament which even remotely suggests that Christ would be a Nazarene (born in Nazareth). But don’t take my word for it, check it out yourself!!

What happened, is that Matthew apparently got confused (as he often did) and misread the verse describing Sampson: “For the Child shall be a Nazarite unto God from the womb.” (Judges 13:5). Of course a Nazarite is one who takes a vow to serve God, not someone who is born in a city called Nazareth. There is no mention of a city called Nazareth in the Old Testament.

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Notice it says "prophets" (plural) not a single prophet. This is an example of where Matthew combines the words of several different prophets to show the fulfillment. Clearly we are not looking for a single statement, but a combined meaning. We are looking for a theme.

This is confirmed by Nathanael’s comment in John 1:46, "Can any good thing come out of Nazareth?"
It is an error to confuse Nazarene with a Nazirite (Num 6:2-5).

The New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia gives us the answer: "In the manuscripts of the New Testament, the name [Nazareth] occurs in a great orthographical variety, such as Nazaret, Nazareth, Nazara, Nazarat, and the like. In the time of Eusebius and St. Jerome (Onomasticon), its name was Nazara (in modern Arabic, en Nasirah), which therefore, seems to be the correct name; in the New Testament we find its derivatives written Nazarenos, or Nazoraios, but never Nazaretaios. The etymology of Nazara is neser, which means "a shoot". The Vulgate renders this word by flos, "flower", in the Prophecy of Isaiah 11:1, which is applied to the Saviour. St. Jerome (Epist., xlvii, "Ad Marcellam") gives the same interpretation to the name of the town." (New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia, Nazareth)

"Nazareth: separated, generally supposed to be the Greek form of the Hebrew netser, a "shoot" or "sprout."" (Easton's Bible dictionary, Nazareth)

"Thus the word "Nazarene" carries with it an allusion to those prophecies which speak of Christ as "despised of men" (Isa. 53:3). Some, however, think that in this name there is an allusion to the Hebrew netser, which signifies a branch or sprout. It is so applied to the Messiah (Isa. 11:1), i.e., he whom the prophets called the Netse, the "Branch." (Easton's Bible dictionary, Nazarene)
The Old Testament passages regarding branch are: Is 4:2; 11:1; 53:2; Jer 23:5; 33:15; Zech 3:8; 6:12.
The Old Testament passages that Christ was despised, humiliated and hated: Psa. 22:6-8; 69:8; Isa 49:7
Here is a prophecy of the Branch who was Jesus: "Behold, a man whose name is Branch, for He will branch out from where He is; and He will build the temple of the Lord." Zechariah 6:12
Isa 53 combines both the idea of "branch" and humiliation". "For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot, And like a root out of parched ground; He has no stately form or majesty That we should look upon Him, Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him. He was despised and forsaken of men, A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; And like one from whom men hide their face He was despised, and we did not esteem Him." Isaiah 53:2-3

So to say you are a Nazarene would be personally humiliating and degrading. It would cause people to look down on you... just as Isa 53 says.
Jesus wears the name with pride: Acts 22:8 "I am Jesus the Nazarene." I response to Paul, who may have been using the name as a slur before he was converted.
Even if our etymological connection with Nazarene and neser (branch) is incorrect, it is still clear that he would be despised and looked down upon. In this way, the Hebrews, who despised and looked down upon Nazarenes, would immediately leap the logic and make the connection.
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Your imaginry god can't do ANYTHING.
Nada,
Nothing.
Its not there.
YOu have simply been brainwashed from birth.

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Mostly that so called Omnipotent head honcho with the gig bad Smite List
CANT EVEN KILL A PUNY HUMAN
It has to beg MAN to go kill it's enemies

and people worship it??

Wha Da Fk?
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Preachers love to preach about: "Bible prophesy"

They will say things like:

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Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts




Bingo! congrats AC!
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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You might want to look up a term called post-dicting.

Everyone knows the only good prophecies are in the Nice and Accurate Prophecies of Agnus Nutter.
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Preachers love to preach about: "Bible prophesy"

They will say things like:


Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts


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Scare tactics only work on stupid christers. last days smast days.

YOur dikless god can't pour piss out of a boot.

If there was a judgement day here is what would happen:

Christers love to threaten all non believers with .... .

JUDGEMENT DAY!!!!

BUT.... Here's Why JD can never happen.

Christers will tell you that ALL will come FACE TO FACE with their god and be judged. We will either go to heaven or be sent straight to hell.

If each person has exactly one minute to have all his or her sins flashed in front of him/her and respond.

it will take god ....

working around the clock,....

. day in and day out,.....

year in and year out,.......

never taking a even one minute off,......

2,034 years to pass judgement on each of the first one billion people waiting in line to be judged.

That's because it takes 2,034 years for one billion minutes to pass.

According to current estimates, there are 6,5 billion people alive today. Rounding that off, it will take god 19,000 years to judge those currently living.

Course we will all die while waiting to be judged and have to be raised from the dead repeatedly.

I'm mainly worried about who will feed us while we wait in line.

Factor in births per thousand years while waiting in line, (There will likely be more fuking with nothing else to do in line, resulting in even more babys to grow up and be judged).

I'm guessing there are at least 4 billion previously dead people too

god has to raise them from the dead too, so we can planly see that god has his work cut out for him.

I mean this is a god who has never... ever.... worked more than 6 days in his entire life.....

I really have to say gods not gonna make it.

He's totally fuked.


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No prophecy is written in stone. If it were, we would not have free will.

The creator of this solar system has created many solar systems and through millions of years, he know just about what we will do

Don't ever forget we have free will...even when you try to blame our creator on the messes we make.
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No prophecy is written in stone. If it were, we would not have free will.

The creator of this solar system has created many solar systems and through millions of years, he know just about what we will do

Don't ever forget we have free will...even when you try to blame our creator on the messes we make.
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Nowhere does you olld bible mention:

"solar systems".


Chirstains are the worlds biggest liars.

You all lie.

Quote chapter and verse where the bible mentions

........solar systems......

It doesn't

Your flat earth writers didnt even know that
the earth was a sphere, much less tha there were

...Solar Systems..

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There was nothing in this post about "free will"


BUT.

Free Will Is Real,,,,, In REal Life....

But a Complete FRAUD In your christer religion.


Here's why:

christains claim their bible god is:

"ALL KNOWING".

If het is.... ALL KNOWING..., then he/it knows IN ADVANCE
what each and every one of us will do..... BEFORE WE DO IT.

We cannot change anything he knows!

Therefor we do not have free will.

He knows what we will do before we do it.
We have NO CHOICE.

If the bible god DOESNT know what we will do next

It can't be an.... ALL KNOWING... god.


If the bible god wonders what ANYONE will do next,
then its just a dumb sh!t god.

Not "ALL KNOWING".


"Free will" is just a typical christain fraud.

It's a simple minded copout.

christers use it ALL THE TIME.

Without the "free will" fraud, your a$$wipe god has to take the blame.

chirsters can't have their dikless god taking any blame.

Thats why christers created.... the devil.

Take away christers devil, and christers free will and the christer religion COLLAPSES.

Course your religion is pure sh!t anyway.

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Here is a little science from the Bible out of Job 26.

7He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

8He bindeth up the waters in his thick clouds; and the cloud is not rent under them.

As far as bible prophecy that has been fulfilled I have one that cannot be denied.

Jeremiah 16

14Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

15But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.

This is a prophecy that details the restoration of the Jewish people to the Promised Land which happened in 1948.

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