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More on the icebergs in New Zealand Waters... this is important.
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~Marianne~
1/6/2005 3:17 AM
Report abusive post | More on the icebergs in New Zealand Waters... this is important.
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Listen to what this scientist has to say:
Dr Lionel Carter .... Niwa Oceanographer
"It´s a sign of something really bigger. It´s a sign that the ice shelfs may be starting to disintergrate. And if that is the case we are going to see alot more fresh water pumped into the world´s ocean, and of course sea level will rise.
What these icebergs may be is a manifestation of how the ice cap is starting to break up."
Video link:
[link to xtramsn.co.nz]
This is really important Everyone, and a physical and obvious manifestion of the world changes happening at a very fast rate around us.... ![]( [<a href="http://www.godlikeproductions.com/images/smilies/sigh.gif) link to www.godlikeproductions.com] alt=' '>
Iceberg Warning For Southern Waters
Ships in New Zealand´s southern waters are being warned to beware of icebergs, some of them up to three kilometres long.
Already one Global Challenge yacht has survived a close encounter with one of the floating ice blocks.
The bergs are near the Antipodes, 600 kilometres south east of Port Chalmers.
NIWA scientist, Dr Lionel Carter, says the last reported sighting of icebergs this close to New Zealand was more than fifty years ago.
He´s not ruling out global warming as the cause.
He doubts the icebergs have anything to do with our particularly cold December.
[link to xtramsn.co.nz] |
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endtime23
12/8/2005 10:11 AM | | Re: More on the icebergs in New Zealand Waters... this is important. | Quote |
we are so f**ked!!! |
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~Marianne~
12/8/2005 10:11 AM | | Re: More on the icebergs in New Zealand Waters... this is important. | Quote |
Yes, here and now. |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:11 AM | | Re: More on the icebergs in New Zealand Waters... this is important. | Quote |
I would propose that icebergs melting would LOWER ocean water levels.
However, if ice is shearing off the land mass and sliding into the ocean and melting, then ocean water levels should rise |
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~Marianne~
12/8/2005 10:11 AM | | Re: More on the icebergs in New Zealand Waters... this is important. | Quote |
that is the concern of this scientist..
however regardless of whether the levels will raise or lower, this is NOT a good thing. |
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Great Grandfather
12/8/2005 10:11 AM | | Re: More on the icebergs in New Zealand Waters... this is important. | Quote |
We´ve been warned, and warned, and WARNEDbut do we LISTEN???
Now witness the WRATH OF NATURE!! Have a nice day visiting!!!!
YA KNOW ITS NOW TIME TO MAKE PEACE WITH WHATEVER GOD YOU ALL WORSHIP!
PRAYERS
OF
SAFETY
TO
ALL
EVERYWHERE. |
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facet
12/8/2005 10:11 AM | | Re: More on the icebergs in New Zealand Waters... this is important. | Quote |
What happens when the ice melt gets down to the Hydrated methane |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:11 AM | | Re: More on the icebergs in New Zealand Waters... this is important. | Quote |
I understand this scientist to say he is concerned about icebergs detaching and melting, NOT ice shearing off the land mass and melting.
Am I missing something in translation? |
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~Marianne~
12/8/2005 10:11 AM | | Re: More on the icebergs in New Zealand Waters... this is important. | Quote |
I don´t know anything about that Facet... I do know that this is past the point of no return. |
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~Marianne~
12/8/2005 10:11 AM | | Re: More on the icebergs in New Zealand Waters... this is important. | Quote |
ac 3.33 this is what he says:
**What these icebergs may be is a manifestation of how the ice cap is starting to break up.***
Now that is pretty straight forward to me. |
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endtime23
12/8/2005 10:11 AM | | Re: More on the icebergs in New Zealand Waters... this is important. | Quote |
i know one thing...we´re all going to be doing a lot of swimming soon;) |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:11 AM | | Re: More on the icebergs in New Zealand Waters... this is important. | Quote |
Ice floating in sea + melting = no rise.
Ice on Land + melting = rise
Ice on land + falling into sea = rise
Increase in temperature generally means more liquid water but not neccesarily.
Increase from -40C to -10C = more snow fall
There are highlt paid professional experts all over this world who could explain this better than me and who should know the numbers more precisily too.
Where are they?? |
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Fish
12/8/2005 10:11 AM | | Re: More on the icebergs in New Zealand Waters... this is important. | Quote |
Were in for something...thats for sure Marianne. |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:11 AM | |
Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:11 AM | | Re: More on the icebergs in New Zealand Waters... this is important. | Quote |
Right, I didnt take into account the land based ice.....in any case the scenario is troublsome to say the least....a run away effect would be disasterous.... |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:11 AM | | Re: More on the icebergs in New Zealand Waters... this is important. | Quote |
Just a thought, thinking about all the earths rotation and axis changeing.
Think of how ice reacts in a glass/bowl/jar.
The ice travels to the top because of the air-bubbles inside the ice.
Could this in fact be the same case with the icebergs? |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:11 AM | | Re: More on the icebergs in New Zealand Waters... this is important. | Quote |
"...may be is a manifestation ..."
"may be?...is not scientific jargon. It does not meet deduction standards.
It is ambiguity, speculation.
Do not confuse icebergs with land ice! |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:11 AM | | Re: More on the icebergs in New Zealand Waters... this is important. | Quote |
HERE AND NOW...we have already pushed our planet too far, all will see and look in awe at what is coming |
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~Marianne~
12/8/2005 10:11 AM | | Re: More on the icebergs in New Zealand Waters... this is important. | Quote |
Yes. That is my point entirely. THIS IS NOT A GOOD THING |
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i is that which i is
12/8/2005 10:11 AM | | Re: More on the icebergs in New Zealand Waters... this is important. | Quote |
 Hi All,
If the sea level rises very far, there are a lot of people living on Pacific atolls who had better start building rafts.
To say nothing about Venice, Holland, Florida and some of the other historic places. I doubt that there is a seaport in the world that is more than 30 feet above the current sea level.
Peace, light, and love  |
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~Marianne~
12/8/2005 10:11 AM | | Re: More on the icebergs in New Zealand Waters... this is important. | Quote |
very true I |
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BuRn
12/8/2005 10:11 AM | | Re: More on the icebergs in New Zealand Waters... this is important. | Quote |
If more fresh water is pumped into the oceans, the locations of the jets with warm water which are mainly responsible for the current way the climate is configured, will change.
This means for example that the jet passing the UK will be located much further from the UK, causing a drop in temperatures for the UK and maybe putting it in a mini ice age.
This the scenario on which the movie "the day after tomorrow" was based. The movie was fiction, the scientific background on which it was based is confirmed by several scientists.
If the iceshelf begins to break up, we´re in for big big troubles. It won´t be as bad as in the movie, but a drastic change in climate has repercussions on the places which can grow big crops. One of them is the US. If this happens, it is very well possible that the US becomes dependent of currently "third world" nations (poor nations). This can be the spark that causes global war. Not a war for land or power, but a war for food and a comfortable place to live in...
GreetZ,
BuRn |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:11 AM | | Re: More on the icebergs in New Zealand Waters... this is important. | Quote |
--> SEE MOVIE:
The Day After Tomorrow.......
LOOK!
Most of the effects of >Global Warming< are shown here, even if movie theatrics play it up.
> NOTE "Ice Shelf break off"
Cause?? PLanetary pollution.....
Effect?? Excess Rain/snow!
Water Level SIGNIFICANTLY Changing!!
We won´t go there about the freeze-out!!!
GOOD post M.
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~Marianne~
12/8/2005 10:11 AM | | Re: More on the icebergs in New Zealand Waters... this is important. | Quote |
Yes Burn... that Is why I am so concerned.
thanks ac above.. |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:11 AM | | Re: More on the icebergs in New Zealand Waters... this is important. | Quote |
When water freezes it expands.
When frozen ice melts it shrinks.
When icebergs (frozen ice sitting in ocean waters) melt, they should cause ocean water levels to lower. That they detach is fairly common.
It is when ice from the land masses shear off and melt that ocean water volumne will increase; levels may rise. May rise.
Continental coastlines along the equator should experience higher seawater levels and equatorial atolls should flood because Earth rotation should draw water to the equator and expand the equatorial waistline or bulge.
Increased water volume should exert increased pressure, especially at points along the crust of deep sea basins with resultant earthquake and vulcanism. |
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facet
12/8/2005 10:11 AM | | Re: More on the icebergs in New Zealand Waters... this is important. | Quote |
Hydrated methane the world`s greatest deposits of this gas is locked into the lower levels of ice and sea bed around both poles its quantity is said to double all known oil reserves ever found , this is a very unstable material and almost impossible to mine .
the question is if this was released into our atmosphere it could create its own methane sphere high up above our stratosphere , if some thing ignited this it would rush down towards the surface of planet as the air is richer ,meaning we would see fireballs desending towards us at a rapid speed if the poles do melt to a level where this gas is allowed to escape then things could get a bit burnt.:-( |
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endtime23
12/8/2005 10:11 AM | | Re: More on the icebergs in New Zealand Waters... this is important. | Quote |
everyone get your swimsuits ready! |
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~Marianne~
12/8/2005 10:11 AM | | Re: More on the icebergs in New Zealand Waters... this is important. | Quote |
Thanks everyone for your imput, this is a very interesting discussion |
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star gazer
12/8/2005 10:11 AM | | Re: More on the icebergs in New Zealand Waters... this is important. | Quote |
You´re on top of it girl - this is NOT good.
Record high temps in Alaska, snow in United Arab Emerits, once in a life time triple storm moving in on mainland USA, - does sound a lot like The Day After Tomorrow!
It´s pretty cold in Hawaii right now (cold for Hawaii anyway) I´m sleeping in sweats, socks, a sweater and a jacket! And there´s a fine blanket of snow on the peaks of the Big island just perfect for snowboarding. |
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BuRn
12/8/2005 10:11 AM | | Re: More on the icebergs in New Zealand Waters... this is important. | Quote |
To all those chitchatting about the waterlevel rising or not : if an important iceshelf is breaking of and melts, the raising water is not the main problem at that moment : it won´t rise overnight and preparations can be made in time. It will be at it´s most an embaressing problem to which humans can adapt and have time to adapt.
The raised amount of fresh water and a raising/dropping of the temperature in the ocean´s water however can cause severe weather problems in days. Those weather anomalies are very hard to predict as there are no computer models for this. Most of the models are based on the situation as it is now and do not take into account extreme events as a displacement of the warmwater jets in the oceans. The combination of huge weather anomalies and the unpredictability of those events will be the cause of a high deathtoll. |
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star gazer
12/8/2005 10:11 AM | | Re: More on the icebergs in New Zealand Waters... this is important. | Quote |
Move along folks...nothing to see here... |
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