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Why on Earth is CHARLES MANSON in PRISON????

 
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Manson didn't even touch any of his so called "victims".

Just because some retarded, brainwashed morons killed people in his name is the lamest excuse to persecute the man.

I agree that Manson is crazy, but definitely NOT murderer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 548756


...the LaBiancas might disagree with you as Chuck went into their home and tied them up. Then went out to the car and told his family to kill them...see right there you have actions that just ain't right. But an excellent point which could be applied to Hitler..he didn't "KILL" any Jews himself but other did so under his direction.
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Hmm, it was proven that Charles Manson was sleeping when this all occured. Not sure where you got this misinformation from. Please see my thread about Charles Manson and what actually occured.
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are you one of Manson's bastard kids ???

you know he had a bunch and they were sent to foster homes

wonder if they were ever told who their daddy was ???


No, dude, I'm not related to Manson in any way.

I don't like the fucker one bit, but come one -- do you really think someone can be a murderer for not laying a fucking hand/bullet/etc. on someone??
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So ordering a hit shouldn't be a crime?
 Quoting: Benevolent Cannibal


weren't people actually guilty of the crime released or something? maybe i'm way off base....

but i agree with OP...he's not saying Manson is a saint or anything....no one would.

but should he be locked up for life? i guess maybe...as long as he's seriously straight crazy, like crazier than half the mother fuckers walking around sacramento...hahahahha

believing charles manson just concocted this idea on his own and implemented it--through others--thats like believing slaves built the pyramids............without exceptional technology. its absurd.

i wanna know what manson knows...or what he REALLY did wrong. because you don't get locked up like that for that...except in illuminati twilight zone....which we are definitely in. ;P
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are you one of Manson's bastard kids ???

you know he had a bunch and they were sent to foster homes

wonder if they were ever told who their daddy was ???


No, dude, I'm not related to Manson in any way.

I don't like the fucker one bit, but come one -- do you really think someone can be a murderer for not laying a fucking hand/bullet/etc. on someone??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 548756


So ordering a hit shouldn't be a crime?
 Quoting: Benevolent Cannibal


weren't people actually guilty of the crime released or something? maybe i'm way off base....

but i agree with OP...he's not saying Manson is a saint or anything....no one would.

but should he be locked up for life? i guess maybe...as long as he's seriously straight crazy, like crazier than half the mother fuckers walking around sacramento...hahahahha

believing charles manson just concocted this idea on his own and implemented it--through others--thats like believing slaves built the pyramids............without exceptional technology. its absurd.

i wanna know what manson knows...or what he REALLY did wrong. because you don't get locked up like that for that...except in illuminati twilight zone....which we are definitely in. ;P
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clappa

Please, for your reference:

Thread: The definitive Charles Manson support thread. Philosopher or Madman? MK Ultra OP? Why he should be in a mental health clinic and NOT prison!
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Manson was a good man, and pretty intelligent to boot. He saw society as it truly was.. and he rebelled against it, as he should have. But as per usual, anything outside of the norm is considered crazy by the sheeple, and unfortunately, the norm is a very narrow perspective indeed.

He's very misunderstood. And he didn't murder anyone.. it's all bollocks.. just to make the society hater a murdering lunatic.. we're always the bad guys, just for having a contrary opinion.

Go Manson.
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Charles Manson is in prison because he was able to lead a soft-minded, drug-addled, highly suggestive group of people at a particular place and time in history to do his bidding, no matter how foul.

He's also a grade-A nutbar, if you've seen some video footage of him from over the last 30 years.

If you mix the ability to sway and distort a group's perception of what is real and why they should follow through on his murderous impulses, you have an incredibly dangerous person on your hands.

He was smart, but twisted. There is no need for his kind to roam freely in a society that does well enough without those kind of people. He is a menace and a danger to the rest of society for these reasons.

He fits the Jim Jones/David Koresh type of charismatic leader mould. Since he proved that he is a danger, and even professes to be a danger still to the public, he is locked safely away in prison, where his influence is muted, if not totally discredited.

Frankly, having watched over the past 20 years the cult that has bult around him by hipsters and "outsiders", I'm glad the dude will always be in jail. He's the poison snake in the well water waiting to strike against civilized people, with no thought or regard for their own lives. He's a sick man that should never be able to re-enter the outside world, as he's barely a human being at this point. He's an influential murdering psychopath who's so smart he can brainwash people into doing his murderous implications for him.

If this doesn't sound like somebody who deserves to be behind bars for the rest of their days, than maybe you don't have much humanity in yourself. Just join Charlie, then: I'm sure he'll have a few ideas on how to make your life more meaningful.


Blech, Charles Manson. He is scum and a disaster always waiting to happen. Those type of people ton't deserve to live among decent people. He'd just warp and later kill them. Better off locked up forever, as he's too dangerous to live at large.
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Hitler didn't ACTUALY kill anyone, it was his stupid followers. So he should be forgiven.
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Actually he did, apart from his kills in WW1, he killed on of his SA generals personally.
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are you one of Manson's bastard kids ???

you know he had a bunch and they were sent to foster homes

wonder if they were ever told who their daddy was ???


No, dude, I'm not related to Manson in any way.

I don't like the fucker one bit, but come one -- do you really think someone can be a murderer for not laying a fucking hand/bullet/etc. on someone??
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So ordering a hit shouldn't be a crime?
 Quoting: Benevolent Cannibal


Sure, but why no parole? He is evil, but so is our government.
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Manson didn't even touch any of his so called "victims".

Just because some retarded, brainwashed morons killed people in his name is the lamest excuse to persecute the man.

I agree that Manson is crazy, but definitely NOT murderer.
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Carmen Sandiego?
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Charles Manson is your typical California douche bag so he should be released. It might actually be therapeutic for the some of them out there
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If Charles Manson had actually "ordered a hit," then he would be guilty of conspiracy, which carries the same punishment as first-degree murder. But he didn't do that. Those killings were the brainchild of Linda Kasabian and Tex Watson. The motive was copycat/robbery/thrill-kill. Watson single-handedly murdered four of the victims (Parent, Sebring, Frykowski, Leno Labianca). He assisted in killing the other three (Tate, Folger, Rosemary Labianca) because the girls "needed help" and were having a hard time killing them. In fact, he may have even inflicted their final fatal wounds, which would actually make him responsible for all seven murders. In one of his psych reports, he said he was making "happy noises" while he was killing these people. Total whack job.
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The judicial system is flawed and the Manson case points it out real well.

They convicted all the members of the manson family that were involved in the muders saying they were crazed killers and knew what they were doing. They all went to jail and are probably still there today.

Then they convict Manson saying he brainwashed the people under his control and made them commit the murders. You can't have it both ways. Either manson brainwashed his people to commit the murders or those people knew damn well what they were doing and Manson is innocent of the actual murders. He was only guilty of the conspiracy to commit the murders.
 Quoting: Rota


And under the joint responsibility rule by law is then guilty of the murders themselves. This is elementary school stuff. The same reason Susan Atkins was convicted of the murders of the Labianca couple. She didn't enter the residence, but was a supporter of the crimes themselves and was physically present in the vehicle while Van Houten, Krenwinkel and Watson went inside. All five [Manson, Van Houten, Atkins, Krenwinkel, Watson] were found guilty of conspiracy to commit murder.

If only the lackies go to prison, then mafia bosses and dictators would be walking free left and right. You're mentally retarded if you think otherwise.

And to clear it up, the Manson family was offically credited with 11 solved murders [musician Gary Hinman, Sharon Tate, Jay Sebring, Steven Parent, Voytek Frykowski and Abigail Folger, the Labianca couple, Donald "Shorty" Shea and James and Lauren Willett]. In addition, at the time of initial apprehension Van Houten and Atkins each set the death toll at 11. The Willett's weren't murdered til after Manson was in jailso the count at that time would've been 9 plug a drug dealer Charlie shot who they all assumed was dead. So thats one body unaccounted for. Plus the "two boys and a girl" eight feet behind Barker Ranch in death valley, plus the rumors of bodies stacked and racked in the desert and teenagers going missing around LA at the time the fmaily was active. If the estimated 35-40 victims as family member Sandra Good had claimed in the 70's was accurate [she also claimed the family had murdered defense attorney Ronald Hughes] that might be near the US record.

It was and remains a unique case because of the prominence of some of the victims, the savagery of the murders themselves and the incredibly bizarre circumstances under which they were committed. Even if you dont believe the Helter Skelter motive to be true, Manson himself is known to have

A) Attempted to murder black drug dealer Bernard "Lotsapoppa" Crowe, he shot him.
B) Slicing Gary Hinman's face (or cutting off his ear, depends which account you hear)
C) Being present for the tying up of the Labianca's and orchestrating their deaths
D) Murdering Donald "Shorty" Shea along with Steve Grogan, Tex Watson, Bill Vance and Bruce Davis in the gulleys behind the Family's Spahn Ranch home.

And based on the crap he spews out of his mouth in every other interview hes granted since he was sent to death row in 1971, he is incredibly dangerous and should be denied parole on those ground because even discarding Tate completely and focusing on Hinman, Labianca's and Shea for which there is proof of his guilt, he should rot in jail.

In sum to the OP, crack a book you fucking idiot, before you go spouting off about things you clearly don't understand.
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If Charles Manson had actually "ordered a hit," then he would be guilty of conspiracy, which carries the same punishment as first-degree murder. But he didn't do that. Those killings were the brainchild of Linda Kasabian and Tex Watson. The motive was copycat/robbery/thrill-kill. Watson single-handedly murdered four of the victims (Parent, Sebring, Frykowski, Leno Labianca). He assisted in killing the other three (Tate, Folger, Rosemary Labianca) because the girls "needed help" and were having a hard time killing them. In fact, he may have even inflicted their final fatal wounds, which would actually make him responsible for all seven murders. In one of his psych reports, he said he was making "happy noises" while he was killing these people. Total whack job.
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Despite the fact that the same article that idiots like you claim makes Watson look like a complete looney and backs up his sober and not brainwashed state of mind also goes on to back up the Helter Skelter motive a couple paragraphs later. There is not one iota of proof that Watson was the brainchild of these killings and what motive could Kasabian possibly have for these killings? They didn't steal nothing, Atkins and Krenwinkel would both at the time and later on back up Linda's claim she never entered either residence, Atkins in fact at the time when she was at Sybil Brand before the story had even broken. I don't think she should've walked either, I think a manslaughter charger might've been appropriate but the whole notion that she had anything to do with planning of these murders is absurd, it is an excuse first brought up by members of the family at trial (Catherine Share would later publicly say shye LIED about Linda's involvement and the whole Bobby Beausoleil thing) and subsequently brought up by every nutbar who hopes to clear Charlie's good name. The ATWAR website claiming Manson's innocense is so riddled with factual inaccuracies it hurts- including the part where they claim Watson barely knew Manson, quote an article where Watson goes on to say he basically framed Leslie Van Houten, the same article then goes on to say the girls used to put on private shows for Manson and Watson both, at Manson's command. Kasabian was at the ranch for less than two months when the murders occured, this wouldn't be time to convict two of "Charlie's Girls" to go out and kill for no reason. Robbery was never a motive, unless you believe a claim that Jay Sebring had 40 grand worth of drugs on him the night of the killing. Its just funny that no one's ever seen any proof any of that existed, the family ate out of the trash and stole cars to survive, right to the bitter end. Any money they did get went to guns. And you would think if they had that kinda bread Manson would've posted bail when he was in jail in Independence, California for Arson.

As for Tex, Watson was a psychotic serial killer, yes. Psychologists described the man as a ticking time bomb and the person who brought out all of these murderous impulses was Charles Manson. Whether he believed Helter Skelter or not the girls sure fucking did. Watch Manson, Robert Hendrickson's 1973 docuementary on the family. See Nancy Pitman, Catherine Share, Lynn "Squeaky" Fromme and Sandra Good, amongst others. Its not Watson they clearly worship. LIke give me a fucking break.
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Manson didn't even touch any of his so called "victims".

Just because some retarded, brainwashed morons killed people in his name is the lamest excuse to persecute the man.

I agree that Manson is crazy, but definitely NOT murderer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 548756


...the LaBiancas might disagree with you as Chuck went into their home and tied them up. Then went out to the car and told his family to kill them...see right there you have actions that just ain't right. But an excellent point which could be applied to Hitler..he didn't "KILL" any Jews himself but other did so under his direction.
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Hmm, it was proven that Charles Manson was sleeping when this all occured. Not sure where you got this misinformation from. Please see my thread about Charles Manson and what actually occured.
 Quoting: Nosaj


Really, and where on earth did you find that nugget of truth from? Because I've read a lot of outlandish information, and I've never heard that one before.
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It's about ... tounge
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You sir, or madam are a dumbass....
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Manson is innocent.
manson shouldnt have gone to prison come on ppl u cant go off on what the media tells you maybe he was innocent who knows none of us were there to witness it so how about you start thinkn for yourselfs and not on what you here.

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I read the book Helter-Skelter about 30 years ago and did find it a little bit scary.

And yes I do believe TPTB had some kind of hand in the whole situation as a way to discredit the youth movement of the 60s.
A case in point would be the murder of wealthy whites who's credit cards ended up being strewN around the black section of L.A.
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Well said, I could not agree more.peace
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Manson didn't even touch any of his so called "victims".

Just because some retarded, brainwashed morons killed people in his name is the lamest excuse to persecute the man.

I agree that Manson is crazy, but definitely NOT murderer.
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is hitler murderer? i doubt he personally killed a single jewish, but would he is innocent to the crime of murder. brainwashing people into mindless, psychopathic drones is a crime, and one thing hitler and manson have in common.[youtube]
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Manson didn't order the murder of anyone. All testimonies keep changing. Why? Where is the proof?
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Manson didn't even touch any of his so called "victims".

Just because some retarded, brainwashed morons killed people in his name is the lamest excuse to persecute the man.

I agree that Manson is crazy, but definitely NOT murderer.
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He is crazy and was the ring leader

used mind control

dangerous person
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Been reading this through. I do like the arguement that either the mind controlled were under controll and should be innocent, or else thay did it under their own power.

Manson is crazy, and no one here disagrees so institutionalize him to help his illness, but instead they encourage his antics for the media squad.

I had a friend that got an inhertance, he went on a bought a card of trips and took the lot over 2 weeks by himself.

He went rather odd and he became impossible to deal with. He was going to get hurt, by someone or something. We called the nut farm and informed them of the drugs he was taking. They knew exactly what to do and what to give him to help him come down, and within a month he was all good. Has Manson been denied the correct assesment. I tried the stuff when I was younger and enough trips makes you high enough to feel like God enough to believe it, and shame of the crime, drug taking, stopped me from ever admitting it. So I too was denied treatment from my problem by prohibition. Just the same, I did not regress into crime I evolved out of it with the god trip thing acid gives to people. Evil was out of the question, but I was a social retard for years and presented problems to my peers.


To keep manson in prison because you think he will controll your minds is rather pathetic. Im not scared of him, are you, or are you scared of your own shadow? He wont controll my mind. This is saying that anyone in the world could be a killer if Manson is released, then therefore they should be in prison anyway, if youre scared that he could controll your childrens mind, then they should be in prison too. Free thinking society evolves around you can think freely as long as it is confined within the parameters the authorities mind set and nobody else's. It is OK to kill Iraqi kids, but not rich attractive movie stars, so the mind controll must exsist in the first place.

Media attention and the ability to influence people to do bad is like having a gun, but the gun does not commit the crime it is the person holding it. If we were truly a free thinking society and our authorities did advocate this concept, we would be impervious to everyones control, both Authorities and occult leaders, but this gun is loaded to the hilt and our Authorities do advocate mind control over its people to do wrong for the Authoritarian, this was Charles Manson open door into the sheeples minds, and he didnt even know it enough, nor had the education to define it so eloquently. An intellegent man, a victim of society caught in his own thoughts, fucked up by schools enough to reject any other input. And outspoken expert idiot. I fear it is TBTB are just as guilty to the conspiracy as Charles, he is just too crazy to be able to define it properly.



I think Mansonizm proves a point, not directly but an indirect point. Saying that a lot of people are programmed to kill upon instruction, look at how many enrolled for service in the army, and it is not Manson doing the programming, it is something else, and all it takes is someone to find the right triggers. Manson couldnt do shit if he wanted to, he just blabs a lot and stumbles upon the buzz words and gets a pride rush when he hits a note. Buzz words possibly taught to him via MK.


Ok lets say conspiracy to commit murder is real, then conspiracy to commit terrorsim is real. The Feds have more psychology training under their belt than the manson family had, so why isnt the feds in prison for organizing terrors hits and busting homeless idiots on the streets, at sone stage they too will do the wrong thing if given the right buzz words, they smell authority, and do not know how to tell what right from wrong is. The dollar bill has become their master and only some good mind control emotionally charged language fed to them by those who know how to access this mind controll is all it will take thoise drunk on it.

What make me and you different. We beleive we are free thinking and tell anyone to STFU if we disagree with what they tell us to do, we wont go to war and kill if we dont believe in the cause, and object, but guess what? we are not our governments friends, even though we would not commit terrorsim for anyone on our soil, we too will not commit terrorism upon another soil for the Governments.

Our authorities and corporates have lost the plot, playing with things and psychology to the masses they do not fully understand the prognosis for.. Years of guilt free murders on TV shows has numbed the sheeple to murder and they can only make good soldiers for their needs of foes if placed in the wrong hands..


So maybe the world is safer without planners and plotters and just allow sheep to graze freely.
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i dont understand why he is in jail and last nights programme really supports my view although I am sure that wasn't the intention.

there was never any proof that he told his playmates to commit the murders and if his spoilt playmates with are so mindless that they would 'jump of a cliff is someone told them', and they actually could carryout the heinous crimes then they alone are responsible. American justice is crazy .......... Towards the end of the programme the biased commentator actually said .... ' the middle class educated guys were not capable of murder but Manson was'. Sorry did his upbringing offend. Manson hasn't committed murder..... The other rather strange change during the tv programme went from saying Manson spend many years in institutions to saying Manson spent half his life in Jail. Wow - a licence to take someone's life away by putting them in Jail.
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Hitler didn't ACTUALY kill anyone, it was his stupid followers. So he should be forgiven.
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yes hitler did
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He's in prison because the media made him out to be
the boogie man. The so called Manson murders were
the way the powers that be chose to corral the humans
away from peace and free love and into fear.
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He was the destruction of the hippie movement by discrediting them by association.
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Manson didn't even touch any of his so called "victims".

Just because some retarded, brainwashed morons killed people in his name is the lamest excuse to persecute the man.

I agree that Manson is crazy, but definitely NOT murderer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 548756


...the LaBiancas might disagree with you as Chuck went into their home and tied them up. Then went out to the car and told his family to kill them...see right there you have actions that just ain't right. But an excellent point which could be applied to Hitler..he didn't "KILL" any Jews himself but other did so under his direction.
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Hmm, it was proven that Charles Manson was sleeping when this all occured. Not sure where you got this misinformation from. Please see my thread about Charles Manson and what actually occured.
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misinformation? look little Charlie cocksucker THAT IS WHAT FUCKING HAPPENED, I really don't give a flying fuck if you're little Nazi faggot ass believes it or not...he was sleeping? you must be a 15 year old fucking skinhead or brain damaged or something.
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He is not in jail and never has been. He was made up. All of it is a lie. Sharon Tate is still alive and well. She is still married to Polanski. wellaware1.com
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He's in prison because the media made him out to be
the boogie man. The so called Manson murders were
the way the powers that be chose to corral the humans
away from peace and free love and into fear.
 Quoting: Rebecca 541939

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Why is he in but the firemen's killer got out years ago?
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Mans Son is guilty.
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He's in prison because the media made him out to be
the boogie man. The so called Manson murders were
the way the powers that be chose to corral the humans
away from peace and free love and into fear.
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ohyeah
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Why is he in but the firemen's killer got out years ago?
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