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| Alpha Female
User ID: 539102
 United States
11/16/2008 11:19 PM | | Re: what behaviours do gays consider wrong and why? | Quote |
Alpha Female this whole thread I have been open and honest and you haven't think about that. Quoting: NikkiLaVey
i think anyone being murdered for any reason is wrong and bad. tragedy is tragedy. |
| Alpha Female
User ID: 539102
United States
11/16/2008 11:23 PM | | Re: what behaviours do gays consider wrong and why? | Quote |
The OP of this thread said she is trying to understand peoples concept of morality other than her own. I hope I was able to somewhat cover that in my res response earlier.. For the record I like girls. A lot. Probably too much. I can't think of any other way to address this other than what others and myself have done. I hope you find your understanding. It's only disheartening to see with all the problems plaguing our nation and humanity this even has to be an issue. More the reason that we in my opinion, make the separation of Church and State a binding and permanent part of our Constitutional Republic. Equal rights for all. In 200+ years the founding fathers had the vision for that. We still apparently have a long way to go. Quoting: entropy
i appreciate what you said, and if i did not make it clear before, i don't care about a person's sexual orientation. but i do care about the law and how we reflect our society's moral/ethical standards and what the definitions and implementation of these standards are. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 428364
United States
11/16/2008 11:23 PM | | Re: what behaviours do gays consider wrong and why? | Quote |
Why is it illegal to marry your sister? Or brother?
Because it Illegal for them to have sex.
Being Gay isn't!
Sheeeesh! :stupidity0:
So, uh, tell me again why it should be illegal? Is it any more immoral than homosexuality. Is it not against the civil rights of the siblings who are romantically involved? You see, this argument is far closer in context than homosexuals comparing their struggle to blacks. (which is pathetic)
I think it is.
And you will find far more people believe that too..
Now for some real world Shit
[ link to www.physorg.com]
Incest is illeagl because of the resulting offspring and beastility is illegal because you can not get consent from an animal. so the difference is that gay marriage does not have any effect on socirty at large while incest would lead to a nation of "speacial" people and since an animal can not enter into any legally binding contract, which is what marriage is.
Hey, what's the matter with "special" people. Not everyone has a third like I do. |
| Alpha Female
User ID: 539102
United States
11/16/2008 11:28 PM | | Re: what behaviours do gays consider wrong and why? | Quote |
your posts leave me speechless. I realize their are some seriously wack people on glp but you have topped my list of the wackest.
trying to understand gays and asking about bestiality just confirms you ignorance and arrogance.
freak
I completely agree!
This poster is sick in the head!
Go away loser, spread your filth somewhere else. Quoting: User # 78/68
that's my point. how do we define "what is sick in the head"? whose standards do we use? what moral basis?
athiest can be and most are moral people. |
| Alpha Female
User ID: 539102
United States
11/16/2008 11:34 PM | | Re: what behaviours do gays consider wrong and why? | Quote |
I told myself I would take a 2 week break and maybe the incessant gay threads would be gone. Sadly, that was only 24 hours ago.
Alpha Female, your questions are offensive and just plain stupid. So unkind and base.
Let's see if I pass your morality test then.
Incest is wrong. Fucking animals is wrong. It's about consent. Animals can't consent. Because of the power dynamic between parent and child, and the pecking order among siblings, consent is not possible. Rape is by definition lacking consent.
How can you dehumanize us like this? As someone who grew up having to cope with a pedophile, your questions make me want to throw up. I know of nobody who thinks things like you other than other hateful easily alarmed anti-gay heterosexuals.
So glad I popped my head in here again. At least you strengthened my conviction to take a break from this site until people like you start obsessing about other things and other people. Quoting: rathmussen 383866
i am not giving you a morality test.
for instance, if fucking animals is wrong we are on common ground. however, there is precedence where people would like to marry their animal or at the very least adopt them as a child for legal reasons. (see my other posts). but how do we distinguish someone that only cares about having sex with an animal, from one who is trying to extend protection to them by the legal act of marrying?
i didn't say a thing about marriage between a parent and child. you have me confused with someone else.
again rape being wrong, we are on common ground. i expected most to be on common ground. what's wrong with that?
look at my other post in regards to pedophiles and why is see the precedence of what a legal marriage is as an opening for pedophiles to enjoy their urges legally.
i am not anti-gay, i am concerned with our laws, how we construct them and how we apply them.
i am thinking that you have taken alot of hits from people that hate gays. keep in mind that people can be opposed to gay marriage but have no hatred for gays. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 552727
 Australia
11/16/2008 11:36 PM | | Re: what behaviours do gays consider wrong and why? | Quote |
Ok, I am gay.
I wouldn't want to be raped or have someone I care about be raped, so why would I support it?
I don't believe sex with animals is right, they cannot give consent and understand fully what is happening. It's taking advantage of another being which I don't like. Same with children. And why would you want to anyway? Being gay doesn't mean you're automatically attracted to anything that moves.
I am monogamous.
I believe in God and have been told I am very religious.
I don't like pain, giving or receiving.
Incest is wrong in my eyes. It causes defects in offspring so I can't imagine it was meant to be. And also, family has a sacred quality that is destroyed when you bring sex into it.
Marrying animals is just stupid. What does the animal know? They're not objects for your amusement. Such a weird question.
I don't think i'm any different to other people, except that i'm attracted to the same sex. I have no interest or attraction to the opposite sex, I didn't want that and fought against it for years. When I accepted it, I fell in love with someone and have a normal life except for the homophobia. Gay life is complicated when all I want is to have a peaceful life like everyone else.
I think my idea of right and wrong was formed long before I realized my sexual orientation. Main points are simply harm no one and live a good life. |
| Alpha Female
User ID: 539102
United States
11/16/2008 11:37 PM | | Re: what behaviours do gays consider wrong and why? | Quote |
for some reason my comments below were done as AC. so i am letting you know this is Alpha Female, my thoughts below and i am not anti-gay, i am anti-redefining what marriage is. i started this thread out to share real thoughts and concerns.
my questions cut deep to the heart of my quandry. if gays are given that right, what rule of thumb stops marriage between humans and animals? i chose this question because it is a very stark and raw image.
Maybe because only in Disney Films Animals can say "I Do."
don't think there are not people out there who would delighted to do so legally. we have 300 million people in the country, i am sure we can find .00001% of the population (about 3,000 people) that are for that idea or any particular concept known to man.
So are you saying concentual sex or love is a perversion on the same lines as bestiality? I beg to differ. If you want some prison statistics you may be suprised to find that most inmates incarcarated for immoral acts of violence and perversion call themselves Christians and Straight.
by what rule of thumb do we as a people use to determine what is moral. should morality be thrown out the window? does morality have a place in our society. what effects would there be with no concept of morality in our day to day lives?
i am trying to understand.
Please try harder. The concept of morality and rights is centered around the human right of my rights end where yours begins. You don't need to have "God" to have ethics. Nor is ethics defined as being monopolized by any religion or doctrine. It's something that's up to the individual to decide and if it violates another living creatures rights than it is unethical. That's real morality. You may be surprised to know that marriage and gay marriage are both older than the christian religion. What people do concentually is not a threat to you, to me, to our children or our society. Quoting: entropy
1. how do animals say "yes"? when i ask my dog to sit, he sits. does his action scream no? if a person my dog doesn't know asked it to sit, it will think about it. a 50-50 shot if he does. let's say that a person has no desire what-so-ever to have sex with their pet. the advantages of marrying you pet (for a lot of people a pet is for companionship), they can use their family healthcare plan to include medical for the animal. if a person kills the pet,the pet will no longer be defined as "property" and the human partner can have the opportunity to punish the murderer by the same laws as if the person killed a human. there are a lot of pet owners who would have loved to have done that and who would like to do that. but, if it were legal to marry a pet, you would not be able to distinguish that from bestiality, which most people gay and straight consider to be wrong. this causes a problem because we can no longer define why its wrong to have sex with an animal. legally defining married as a union between two or more beings will allow polygamy and bestiality to be legal in our country. it is easier to modify law once a precedence has been established, such as legalizing gay marriage.
2. i really don't understand "my rights end where yours begin". i am trying to frame within the context of what baseline for morality, how we define what is moral, is converted into law. i don't know how to apply your statement to a law that will govern what a person is allowed or disallowed to do. do you mean my version of morality ends where your version begins?
3. you say:
"It's something that's up to the individual to decide and if it violates another living creatures rights than it is unethical"
i am sure you meant "another living human being". if not, eating meat is going to become a problem.
if a 14 year old person decides they love an adult should they be allowed to marry? 14 year olds are prosecuted as adults all the time. there have even been 9 year olds tried as adults, but only a few. what basis will the courts use to say that this is immoral or a danger to a child? pedophiles are somewhat organized and we can't just look at a person and see that they are a pedophile. why wouldn't pedophiles be able to organize and overturn child/adult mariages. i am sure they will not do it under the banner of being pedophiles. but it can be done with the precedence of the redefinition of marriage.
you say:
"What people do concentually is not a threat to you, to me, to our children or our society."
if gays feel threatened by people who do not want gay marriage, are gay people's feeling of oppression discounted? does it not impact their life? (everyone is protected under the law of "hate crimes", so i am not meaning a physical threat.)
by the same token, if straight people feel threatened with the prospect of what they perceive to be morals removed from law. do they not feel oppression? their viewpoints on the matter are discounted and held at no value.
how do we apply our laws to decide when our children or society is threatened if legal precedence has been established for child/adult marriage or animal/human marraige? what will be the new moral code in america? i am saying that there is always a progression as life moves forward. why can't pets/animals marry humans? why can't children marry adults?
i believe all legal matters that gay people have because of not having a marriage license can be dealt with in court.
i appreciate your answers, thanks. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 552750
United States
11/16/2008 11:51 PM | | Re: what behaviours do gays consider wrong and why? | Quote |
your posts leave me speechless. I realize their are some seriously wack people on glp but you have topped my list of the wackest.
trying to understand gays and asking about bestiality just confirms you ignorance and arrogance.
freak
I completely agree!
This poster is sick in the head!
Go away loser, spread your filth somewhere else.
that's my point. how do we define "what is sick in the head"? whose standards do we use? what moral basis?
athiest can be and most are moral people. Quoting: Alpha Female
I've also yet heard from anybody here what is Moral? what passes as acceptable in the eyes of the people, let alone the law? I can't imagine a informed person argue that sticking there penis(if there male) into a anus (which medical doctors will tell you is dangerous) is moral, can you? Sure some will say thats there business, and body, but,(no pun intended) that does'nt make it moral, any more than heterosexuals having swinger parties, and screwing different people everynight. |
| Alpha Female
User ID: 539102
United States
11/17/2008 12:06 AM | | Re: what behaviours do gays consider wrong and why? | Quote |
your posts leave me speechless. I realize their are some seriously wack people on glp but you have topped my list of the wackest.
trying to understand gays and asking about bestiality just confirms you ignorance and arrogance.
freak
I completely agree!
This poster is sick in the head!
Go away loser, spread your filth somewhere else.
that's my point. how do we define "what is sick in the head"? whose standards do we use? what moral basis?
athiest can be and most are moral people.
I've also yet heard from anybody here what is Moral? what passes as acceptable in the eyes of the people, let alone the law? I can't imagine a informed person argue that sticking there penis(if there male) into a anus (which medical doctors will tell you is dangerous) is moral, can you? Sure some will say thats there business, and body, but,(no pun intended) that does'nt make it moral, any more than heterosexuals having swinger parties, and screwing different people everynight. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 552750
my thread is about what morals if any we apply to the law. not whether being gay is immoral. i'm not anti-gay |
| User # 78/68
User ID: 529316
 Canada
11/17/2008 11:20 PM
 | | Re: what behaviours do gays consider wrong and why? | Quote |
your posts leave me speechless. I realize their are some seriously wack people on glp but you have topped my list of the wackest.
trying to understand gays and asking about bestiality just confirms you ignorance and arrogance.
freak
I completely agree!
This poster is sick in the head!
Go away loser, spread your filth somewhere else.
that's my point. how do we define "what is sick in the head"? whose standards do we use? what moral basis?
athiest can be and most are moral people.
I've also yet heard from anybody here what is Moral? what passes as acceptable in the eyes of the people, let alone the law? I can't imagine a informed person argue that sticking there penis(if there male) into a anus (which medical doctors will tell you is dangerous) is moral, can you? Sure some will say thats there business, and body, but,(no pun intended) that does'nt make it moral, any more than heterosexuals having swinger parties, and screwing different people everynight.
my thread is about what morals if any we apply to the law. not whether being gay is immoral. i'm not anti-gay Quoting: Alpha Female
YES YOU ARE!!!!
You just think you are being clever. Hint: we see you! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 553968
 United Kingdom
11/18/2008 4:40 PM | | Re: what behaviours do gays consider wrong and why? | Quote |
fyi - not all gay men like anal sex. fact. also a fact is that a mans g-spot is inside his anus, whether you agree or not, it still remains true that men are able to have multiple orgasms (like us ladies ;O) when stimulated in this area. if a man is attracted to other men and this is what they do in the privacy of their houses/bedroom/hotel, what business is it of yours/anyones? i know some lesbians that are into way more extreme sex than some of the gay men i've known. moral to you or not, its up to them as long as they are consenting.
and i suppose that the point of morality in this isnt it, if they are two people (unrelated) that are attracted to each other and of an age of consent and want to spend some time together/be together/commit to each other - whats the problem?
surely love is a good thing?
you make is sound like something to be ashamed of (by lumping it in with bestiality and/or incest and/or kiddy fiddling. thats pretty awful. i think you have a very narrow view of gay people.... its not a case of any holes a goal!!!! |
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