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ENDING THE "RAPTURE" DEBATE USING BIBLE VERSES!!!

 
A Concerned Canadian

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Dan 12:11 And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days.(1,290)

Dan 12:12 Blessed [is] he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.(1,335)


Do the math.

1,335
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=45

Thats 45 days, what ever that is in gods time, that we will have to endure under the beasts rule. I believe jacobs trouble is these 45 days. Blessed is he that survives this time. And if your head gets lobbed off, all is good. You'll be raised first and will help rule earth with the lord for 1,000 years.

The rest that survive the 45 days remain on earth and live in christs kingdom for 1,000 years. No death.

And then after that 1,000 years are up, satan emerges from his prison to wreck havoc some more. Then he is gone for good. Along with the earth and the heavens we are in now.

All is made new. Including the human/spirit body.

No rapture in my theory. And I am preparing for the worst and hoping for the best.
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Dan 12:11 And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days.(1,290)

All is made new. Including the human/spirit body.

No rapture in my theory. And I am preparing for the worst and hoping for the best.
 Quoting: A Concerned Canadian

There is a rapture, the OLD & NEW testament were copied from the book of Enoch. And Daniel spoke of time past (as in past tense or events). The Daily sacrifice has been abolished long, long, long ago when the temple burned down.
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wow, just wow at some of the baseless statements on this thread. Use evidence from Scripture. Anyway, good luck to all. I hope no one is deceived.
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wow, just wow at some of the baseless statements on this thread. Use evidence from Scripture. Anyway, good luck to all. I hope no one is deceived.
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Exactly Darkman, use the original scriptures of where all this talk of rapture came from.
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we don't know who the Antichrist is he may already be here

we also may not be privy to the 7 year treaty

the timeline won't be for sure until the abomination of desolation

then we can count down

I'm done speculating

I do believe we're in the general time

I also agree we need to be on guard for massive deception

love peace joy

rb
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Escaping jacobs trouble could just mean "SURVIVED" It doesn't have to mean "to NOT experience it".

Even the elect will get a taste of jacobs trouble.
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we don't know who the Antichrist is he may already be here

we also may not be privy to the 7 year treaty

the timeline won't be for sure until the abomination of desolation

then we can count down

I'm done speculating

I do believe we're in the general time

I also agree we need to be on guard for massive deception

love peace joy

rb
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right on.
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There is a rapture, the OLD & NEW testament were copied from the book of Enoch. And Daniel spoke of time past (as in past tense or events). The Daily sacrifice has been abolished long, long, long ago when the temple burned down.
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The daily sacrifice was abolished long ago yes. And 1290 "days" from then until the abomination of desolation is set up.

And then 45 "days" of living under the beasts rule. Which is jacobs trouble.

Just like the book of enoch says. (If the OT was copied from it that is). I assume.
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we don't know who the Antichrist is he may already be here

we also may not be privy to the 7 year treaty

the timeline won't be for sure until the abomination of desolation

then we can count down

I'm done speculating

I do believe we're in the general time

I also agree we need to be on guard for massive deception

love peace joy

rb
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I agree that we need to be on guard and we must use our GOD given thinking abilities of logic and reason against those who will copy from the original text of spiritual fundamentals such as the "Rapture" and spin their own little religions from it in order to control a segment of the earth's population.

Be on alert, those who copied from the original book have done so to misled many, remember the path that leads to hell is wide and many, many walk on it, but the path of truth is very narrow and few are those who dare to venture. Most sheep here are afraid to break from the herd headed to the slaughter House.
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There is a rapture, the OLD & NEW testament were copied from the book of Enoch. And Daniel spoke of time past (as in past tense or events). The Daily sacrifice has been abolished long, long, long ago when the temple burned down.

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The daily sacrifice was abolished long ago yes. And 1290 "days" from then until the abomination of desolation is set up.

And then 45 "days" of living under the beasts rule. Which is jacobs trouble.

Just like the book of enoch says. (If the OT was copied from it that is). I assume.
 Quoting: A Concerned Canadian

I'm sorry Canadian but Enoch doesn't mention what Daniel states. Enoch predicts the Temple burnoing and afterewards many-many-many generations will live in darkness until the end times and a rapture.


Your abomination has been set up with the Islamic mosque was built there where the Temple was, get over it, that was then - this is now.
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There is a rapture, the OLD & NEW testament were copied from the book of Enoch. And Daniel spoke of time past (as in past tense or events). The Daily sacrifice has been abolished long, long, long ago when the temple burned down.

]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]

The daily sacrifice was abolished long ago yes. And 1290 "days" from then until the abomination of desolation is set up.

And then 45 "days" of living under the beasts rule. Which is jacobs trouble.

Just like the book of enoch says. (If the OT was copied from it that is). I assume.
 Quoting: A Concerned Canadian

I'm sorry Canadian but Enoch doesn't mention what Daniel states. Enoch predicts the Temple burning and afterwards many-many-many generations will live in darkness until the end times and a rapture.


Your abomination has been set up with the Islamic mosque was built there where the Temple was, get over it, that was then - this is now.
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Most people walking the earth claim to have done precisely what you are advocating. Look around sometimes. The world has become "Sodom & Gomorrah" on the account of leaving themselves opened to the spirit of the World, included in this world are muslims, christians, hindus, jews, etc,etc....

+++++++++++++++++++++++

There's only ONE true Spirit.

The others are the deceivers of the kind that we hear about in Matthew 24.

+++++++++++++++++++++++

ah yea, and that Spirit lives within the true believer.


A christian or Jew cannot be a true believer because all their spiritual fundamentals come from the Book Of Enoch. This includes islam because its a copied extension of judaism and christianity which are copied forgeries of the Book Of Enoch.



This is final.

The One who writes the story first is the AUTHOR of that story.
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So the Book of Enoch is faulty? Is that what you're saying? You're saying that Christians and Jews fundamental beliefs come from the Book of Enoch - so they can't be true believers...

please clarify.

In one minute - you're saying Enoch is the truth, and in another you seem to contradict.

Please be clear.
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Book of Enoch? blink
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There is a rapture, the OLD & NEW testament were copied from the book of Enoch. And Daniel spoke of time past (as in past tense or events). The Daily sacrifice has been abolished long, long, long ago when the temple burned down.

]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]

The daily sacrifice was abolished long ago yes. And 1290 "days" from then until the abomination of desolation is set up.

And then 45 "days" of living under the beasts rule. Which is jacobs trouble.

Just like the book of enoch says. (If the OT was copied from it that is). I assume.
I'm sorry Canadian but Enoch doesn't mention what Daniel states. Enoch predicts the Temple burning and afterwards many-many-many generations will live in darkness until the end times and a rapture.


Your abomination has been set up with the Islamic mosque was built there where the Temple was, get over it, that was then - this is now.
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WHOA!!

I was open to what you were saying until this.

And then you lost me.

A little kindness and courtesy goes a long way when you are trying to get a message across.

Maybe next time eh
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People, before you immediately contradict the original post - go back and read it and I mean really read it and let it sink in without and preconceived notions.

You can dribble out all the theories you want. The fact of the matter is that YOU CANNOT DENY WHAT THE SCRIPTURES ARE TELLING US. Are you going to argue with the very word of God?

The bible is screaming POST TRIBULATION RAPTURE!!!

Now go ahead and type but know that whatever you say to argue the post tribulation rapture will be DIRECTLY OPPOSING THE VERY WORDS OF GOD.

Do you want truth or do you want deception? It's your choice.

Type away fools.
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A christian or Jew cannot be a true believer because all their spiritual fundamentals come from the Book Of Enoch. This includes islam because its a copied extension of judaism and christianity which are copied forgeries of the Book Of Enoch.



This is final.

The One who writes the story first is the AUTHOR of that story.

]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]

So the Book of Enoch is faulty? Is that what you're saying? You're saying that Christians and Jews fundamental beliefs come from the Book of Enoch - so they can't be true believers...

please clarify.

In one minute - you're saying Enoch is the truth, and in another you seem to contradict.

Please be clear.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 426194

Sorry, I sometimes forget that most have been heavily indoctrinated by the present system that they no longer posses the ability to think for themselves.

What I meant is, that these religions like judaism, christainty are all forgeries of the original Author (Enoch), and because they are forgeries they are not perfect replicas, they have been altered meaning they are not as the original Author wrote them.
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Book of Enoch? blink
 Quoting: Free Indeed


Don't freak out, Free...LOL!

It's an ancient text that was not cannonized or incorporated by the Jews or by most Christians.

The Ethiopian Orthodox have accepted it, I believe.

It is said the Jews didn't accept it because there was prophecy that related to Christ.
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I'm sorry Canadian but Enoch doesn't mention what Daniel states. Enoch predicts the Temple burning and afterwards many-many-many generations will live in darkness until the end times and a rapture.


Your abomination has been set up with the Islamic mosque was built there where the Temple was, get over it, that was then - this is now.

]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]

WHOA!!

I was open to what you were saying until this.

And then you lost me.

A little kindness and courtesy goes a long way when you are trying to get a message across.

Maybe next time eh
 Quoting: A Concerned Canadian

No problemo.

You are of the many that walks the path that leads to the slaughter House. There are many like you on this very Forum, it comes as no surprise because many will walk that path.


The Mosque is built where the Temple was, it was, its still there and will continue to be until the new world order arrives (Kingdom of Heaven).
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A christian or Jew cannot be a true believer because all their spiritual fundamentals come from the Book Of Enoch. This includes islam because its a copied extension of judaism and christianity which are copied forgeries of the Book Of Enoch.



This is final.

The One who writes the story first is the AUTHOR of that story.

]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]

So the Book of Enoch is faulty? Is that what you're saying? You're saying that Christians and Jews fundamental beliefs come from the Book of Enoch - so they can't be true believers...

please clarify.

In one minute - you're saying Enoch is the truth, and in another you seem to contradict.

Please be clear.
Sorry, I sometimes forget that most have been heavily indoctrinated by the present system that they no longer posses the ability to think for themselves.

What I meant is, that these religions like judaism, christainty are all forgeries of the original Author (Enoch), and because they are forgeries they are not perfect replicas, they have been altered meaning they are not as the original Author wrote them.
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That was pretty offensive. I'm perfectly capable of thinking for myself.

You should try harder at humility if you want people to be swayed by your viewpoint.

At any rate - I don't see anything, on the surface in the Book of Enoch that contradicts what I believe - so I don't count myself as a non-believer in any regard.
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People, before you immediately contradict the original post - go back and read it and I mean really read it and let it sink in without and preconceived notions.

You can dribble out all the theories you want. The fact of the matter is that YOU CANNOT DENY WHAT THE SCRIPTURES ARE TELLING US. Are you going to argue with the very word of God?

The bible is screaming POST TRIBULATION RAPTURE!!!

Now go ahead and type but know that whatever you say to argue the post tribulation rapture will be DIRECTLY OPPOSING THE VERY WORDS OF GOD.

Do you want truth or do you want deception? It's your choice.

Type away fools.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 551607


Book of Thessalonian was written in 50AD and many apostles were schooled by the Book of Enoch which was written centuries before the New Testament.


Book Of Enoch.


2Enoch.65:[6]There will be one aeon, and all the righteous who shall escape the LORD'S Great judgment, shall be collected in the Great aeon, for the righteous the Great aeon will begin, and they will live eternally, and then too there will be amongst them neither labour, nor sickness.

LORD'S Great judgment, shall be collected in the Great aeon,


The One who wrote the story "first" is the AUTHOR of that story, you gotta believe in the GOD in which the rapture story was written in to be a part of that story. Judaism is a forged copy from the book of Enoch that's why the rapture is mentioned in Joel, and thereafter in the New Testament.
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I'm sorry Canadian but Enoch doesn't mention what Daniel states. Enoch predicts the Temple burning and afterwards many-many-many generations will live in darkness until the end times and a rapture.


Your abomination has been set up with the Islamic mosque was built there where the Temple was, get over it, that was then - this is now.

]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]

WHOA!!

I was open to what you were saying until this.

And then you lost me.

A little kindness and courtesy goes a long way when you are trying to get a message across.

Maybe next time eh
No problemo.

You are of the many that walks the path that leads to the slaughter House. There are many like you on this very Forum, it comes as no surprise because many will walk that path.


The Mosque is built where the Temple was, it was, its still there and will continue to be until the new world order arrives (Kingdom of Heaven).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 553089

Dude. Where do you get off?

LMAO. You have no clue what who why where and how I am. Not a clue.

All I am saying is be polite. False accusations, really, honestly, get you know where.

And it just takes away from the message you just gave.

Words are powerful.

Use them wisely.

FYI: I belong to no religious cult, I have read the book of enoch, and the mosque is not built on the foundations of the temple, but on the gentiles court. The abonomation will be the one world government. Created by the beast. Man.

Cheers
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Sorry, I sometimes forget that most have been heavily indoctrinated by the present system that they no longer posses the ability to think for themselves.

What I meant is, that these religions like judaism, christainty are all forgeries of the original Author (Enoch), and because they are forgeries they are not perfect replicas, they have been altered meaning they are not as the original Author wrote them.
]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]


That was pretty offensive. I'm perfectly capable of thinking for myself.

You should try harder at humility if you want people to be swayed by your viewpoint.

At any rate - I don't see anything, on the surface in the Book of Enoch that contradicts what I believe - so I don't count myself as a non-believer in any regard.
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I wasn't being offensive as you have proven you can't think outside of what the system has taught you. And I don't want to sway anyone who doesn't deserve being raptured, those who deserve punishment I will be more then glad to assist in their just punishment......
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People, before you immediately contradict the original post - go back and read it and I mean really read it and let it sink in without and preconceived notions.

You can dribble out all the theories you want. The fact of the matter is that YOU CANNOT DENY WHAT THE SCRIPTURES ARE TELLING US. Are you going to argue with the very word of God?

The bible is screaming POST TRIBULATION RAPTURE!!!

Now go ahead and type but know that whatever you say to argue the post tribulation rapture will be DIRECTLY OPPOSING THE VERY WORDS OF GOD.

Do you want truth or do you want deception? It's your choice.

Type away fools.

Book of Thessalonian was written in 50AD and many apostles were schooled by the Book of Enoch which was written centuries before the New Testament.


Book Of Enoch.


2Enoch.65:[6]There will be one aeon, and all the righteous who shall escape the LORD'S Great judgment, shall be collected in the Great aeon, for the righteous the Great aeon will begin, and they will live eternally, and then too there will be amongst them neither labour, nor sickness.

LORD'S Great judgment, shall be collected in the Great aeon,


The One who wrote the story "first" is the AUTHOR of that story, you gotta believe in the GOD in which the rapture story was written in to be a part of that story. Judaism is a forged copy from the book of Enoch that's why the rapture is mentioned in Joel, and thereafter in the New Testament.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 553089


I'm not sure exactly what you're getting at. The book of Enoch, I believe is true. It lines up perfectly with the events being described in the OT and NT. The one who wrote the "story" is God. It was given to Enoch by God.
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FYI: I belong to no religious cult, I have read the book of enoch, and the mosque is not built on the foundations of the temple, but on the gentiles court. The abonomation will be the one world government. Created by the beast. Man.

Cheers
 Quoting: A Concerned Canadian


Al-Aqsa Mosque (Arabic:المسجد الاقصى, [IPA /æl'mæsdʒɪd æl'ɑqsˁɑ/, al-Masjid al-Aqsa (help·info) translit: "the Farthest Mosque"), also known as al-Aqsa, is an Islamic holy place in the Old City of Jerusalem. The mosque itself forms part of the al-Haram ash-Sharif or "Sacred Noble Sanctuary", a site also known as the Temple Mount and considered the holiest site in Judaism, since it is believed to be where the Temple in Jerusalem once stood.

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I wasn't being offensive as you have proven you can't think outside of what the system has taught you. And I don't want to sway anyone who doesn't deserve being raptured, those who deserve punishment I will be more then glad to assist in their just punishment......
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PUNISHER.... Is that you?
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People, before you immediately contradict the original post - go back and read it and I mean really read it and let it sink in without and preconceived notions.

You can dribble out all the theories you want. The fact of the matter is that YOU CANNOT DENY WHAT THE SCRIPTURES ARE TELLING US. Are you going to argue with the very word of God?

The bible is screaming POST TRIBULATION RAPTURE!!!

Now go ahead and type but know that whatever you say to argue the post tribulation rapture will be DIRECTLY OPPOSING THE VERY WORDS OF GOD.

Do you want truth or do you want deception? It's your choice.

Type away fools.

Book of Thessalonian was written in 50AD and many apostles were schooled by the Book of Enoch which was written centuries before the New Testament.


Book Of Enoch.


2Enoch.65:[6]There will be one aeon, and all the righteous who shall escape the LORD'S Great judgment, shall be collected in the Great aeon, for the righteous the Great aeon will begin, and they will live eternally, and then too there will be amongst them neither labour, nor sickness.

LORD'S Great judgment, shall be collected in the Great aeon,


The One who wrote the story "first" is the AUTHOR of that story, you gotta believe in the GOD in which the rapture story was written in to be a part of that story. Judaism is a forged copy from the book of Enoch that's why the rapture is mentioned in Joel, and thereafter in the New Testament.
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There are several flaws, I believe, in your logic.

1. Who do you believe is the AUTHOR of the Book of Enoch?

2. New Testament scripture refers back to ancient texts, including the Old Testament and even the Book of Enoch. Does that make the New Testament false or a "forgery", because it references something else, or is in agreement with it, or is a subsequent text?

3. Are you contending that because the Book of Enoch was not included within the canonized text that therefore all of the text of the Old Testament and the New Testament is false? And subsequently that there is a different God and a different Messiah referenced? Does the Book of Enoch prophesy of Jesus? The Jews thought it did - that's why they left it out! So, you're saying if I worship the God of the New Testament - then I do not worship the God in the Book of Enoch?

I'm not sure your logic follows.
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it doesn't matter when the rapture occurs

we still have the same task at hand getting the Gospel out

endless arguments are fruitless and diversionary

a pre-tribber can cite verses as well so can a mid-tribber prewrath etc etc

we frankly won't know til it happens

fruits of the Spirit love joy peace &c.

rb
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BZZZZZZZT! WRONG! Those who believe in the rapture are destined to follow the false christ with his "promise" of safety!!!

Study some more before you rattle of more deceptive human traditional jargon...please!
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Book of Thessalonian was written in 50AD and many apostles were schooled by the Book of Enoch which was written centuries before the New Testament.


Book Of Enoch.


2Enoch.65:[6]There will be one aeon, and all the righteous who shall escape the LORD'S Great judgment, shall be collected in the Great aeon, for the righteous the Great aeon will begin, and they will live eternally, and then too there will be amongst them neither labour, nor sickness.

LORD'S Great judgment, shall be collected in the Great aeon,


The One who wrote the story "first" is the AUTHOR of that story, you gotta believe in the GOD in which the rapture story was written in to be a part of that story. Judaism is a forged copy from the book of Enoch that's why the rapture is mentioned in Joel, and thereafter in the New Testament.

]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]

I'm not sure exactly what you're getting at. The book of Enoch, I believe is true. It lines up perfectly with the events being described in the OT and NT. The one who wrote the "story" is God. It was given to Enoch by God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 551607

No Enoch wrote it down this is why GOD called him "the righteous scribe" and the Book makes no mention of Jesus ever, this is why the devil 'had' to have it removed from his bible, GOD doesn't like his word mixing with the Other.
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11/17/2008 02:25 PM
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Re: ENDING THE "RAPTURE" DEBATE USING BIBLE VERSES!!!
Sorry, I sometimes forget that most have been heavily indoctrinated by the present system that they no longer posses the ability to think for themselves.

What I meant is, that these religions like judaism, christainty are all forgeries of the original Author (Enoch), and because they are forgeries they are not perfect replicas, they have been altered meaning they are not as the original Author wrote them.
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That was pretty offensive. I'm perfectly capable of thinking for myself.

You should try harder at humility if you want people to be swayed by your viewpoint.

At any rate - I don't see anything, on the surface in the Book of Enoch that contradicts what I believe - so I don't count myself as a non-believer in any regard.

I wasn't being offensive as you have proven you can't think outside of what the system has taught you. And I don't want to sway anyone who doesn't deserve being raptured, those who deserve punishment I will be more then glad to assist in their just punishment......
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Wow! You ARE offensive, and also deceived. It is not your place to assist in anyone's just punishment. You would place yourself on God's throne?

You should repent of the sin of pride. Pride IS sin. The Book of Enoch says so.
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11/17/2008 02:27 PM
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31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

As the days of Noah; Meaning that the flood surprised everybody an KILLED them!! Those that were taken were not saved, but CONDEMNED!!!

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