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ENDING THE "RAPTURE" DEBATE USING BIBLE VERSES!!!

 
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Jesus is talking about the generation that lives through the rest of the chapter.
No Lotus, you can't make scriptures up to suit your argument. I know all my scriptures, and then some. Mark 13 speaks of the generation(s) that will witness the following:[14] "When you see the desolating abomination standing where he should not (let the reader understand), then those in Judea must flee to the mountains,

The desolation has occurred, and that which stands there is still standing there today (the Mosque). Islam according to Jesus and Mark has desolated the Temple by building upon it with the Mosque (Root of David) and Islam declared that Jesus is not the son of God rather a man/prophet. This event should have triggered the rest of Mark where the Son of Man descends.


Falsehoods, need I say more????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 553089



We will have to agree to disagree. Obama is standing where he should not because he is not qualified to hold the seat of the power of the world.

Jesus predicted that the religious buildings would come tumbling down and be burnt in the flames. He warned people not to build upon his foundations with building materials. One of those churches burnt to the ground the day that I flew into the USA. Yes we do have more than one generation, my generation, my son's generation etc.

The Son of Man that is the prophet did descend. The prophet arrived exactly as Jesus predicted that they would. The mistake that many people make is that they forget that Jesus promised to send a person from the father during these times. People think that the Son of Man is only mentioned in terms of Jesus and I have already proven with scripture that isn't the case. If people really read and truly understood the Revelations Jesus does not come until after the New Jerusalem is built. He also has a new name and there is only one that knows it.

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Good gawd this is hysterical ....... BIBLE VERSE FIGHT !!!!

I thought I saw it all on the last page, with one poster telling another poster that he underlined and boldened the wrong way - but then to see on this page someone say "wait aminute, weren't you just debating me"?

LMGDAO, you all become so foamed at the mouth that you don't even know who you are arguing with.

All the while, negating the fact that while you are all arguing with each other how Bible verses should be translated - the spirit you each claim to have degrades to nothing because all your energy is put into ....... fighting.

And you wonder why people don't take you seriously.
I am NOT a human !!
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No Lotus, you can't make scriptures up to suit your argument. I know all my scriptures, and then some. Mark 13 speaks of the generation(s) that will witness the following:[14] "When you see the desolating abomination standing where he should not (let the reader understand), then those in Judea must flee to the mountains,


The desolation has occurred, and that which stands there is still standing there today (the Mosque). Islam according to Jesus and Mark has desolated the Temple by building upon it with the Mosque (Root of David) and Islam declared that Jesus is not the son of God rather a man/prophet. This event should have triggered the rest of Mark where the Son of Man descends.


Falsehoods, need I say more????

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Oops! Wrong again! It clearly states that this generation will see the end, not that the abomination of desolation will bring about the end. We still have 60 years before the generation that witnessed Israel become a nation was born.

Sorry try again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 553174

Try again, you mean Mark should try again he wrote the book not I.

Here's what it says fortunately for the logically inclined.



Mark.13:[14]"When you see the desolating abomination standing where he should not (let the reader understand), then those in Judea must flee to the mountains,

[15](and) a person on a housetop must not go down or enter to get anything out of his house,

[16]and a person in a field must not return to get his cloak.

[17]Woe to pregnant women and nursing mothers in those days.

[18]Pray that this does not happen in winter.

[19]For those times will have tribulation such as has not been since the beginning of God's creation until now, nor ever will be.

[20]If the Lord had not shortened those days, no one would be saved; but for the sake of the elect whom he chose, he did shorten the days.

[21]If anyone says to you then, 'Look, here is the Messiah! Look, there he is!' do not believe it.

[22]False messiahs and false prophets will arise and will perform signs and wonders in order to mislead, if that were possible, the elect.

[23]Be watchful! I have told it all to you beforehand.

[24]"But in those days after that tribulation the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light,

[25]and the stars will be falling from the sky, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.

[26]And then they will see 'the Son of Man coming in the clouds' with great power and glory,

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[14]Speaks of the desolating abomination standing where he should not (the Mosque).

[20]This offense trigger tribulation because the Muslims desecrate the Root of David by declaring Jesus is NOT the son of God but a prophet. That GOD himself has to cut short the days.

[26]And all see the Son of coming down from the clouds.


FALSEHOODS.
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Personally I couldn't care less about going to heaven or being right. The most important thing to me is to represent the authors of ALL of the books of the bible with the truth. The Pseudopigrapha, the Apocrypha, and the Holy Bible. Unfortunatly most people that say they are christians are actually catholics. No? Hmmm, then why do you study and base all of your faith in the Catholic version of the Bible? Fools! Get the truth, quit fiddling with these theives in the pulpits, and clean yourselves of your afflictions!!


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Nice piece of truth, nice, real nice!!!!


WORTH REPEATING!!!!!!!

Yes, study the bible that still possess the book of Enoch within its pages, you'll be protected and who knows, maybe even raptured!!!!!!

Thanks Poster and GOD bless you!!!!


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Wait a minute, weren't you just debating me?
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So?

When you say something truthful and smart I'll tell you so, lol.

And this is smart, real smart....
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Good gawd this is hysterical ....... BIBLE VERSE FIGHT !!!!

I thought I saw it all on the last page, with one poster telling another poster that he underlined and boldened the wrong way - but then to see on this page someone say "wait aminute, weren't you just debating me"?

LMGDAO, you all become so foamed at the mouth that you don't even know who you are arguing with.

All the while, negating the fact that while you are all arguing with each other how Bible verses should be translated - the spirit you each claim to have degrades to nothing because all your energy is put into ....... fighting.

And you wonder why people don't take you seriously.
 Quoting: Chases Tumbleweeds


Why don't you try reading the posts for once, instead of jumping into the middle with lame statements.

I was debating the guy and he back at me with praise. Naturally, I had to say something...
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Personally I couldn't care less about going to heaven or being right. The most important thing to me is to represent the authors of ALL of the books of the bible with the truth. The Pseudopigrapha, the Apocrypha, and the Holy Bible. Unfortunatly most people that say they are christians are actually catholics. No? Hmmm, then why do you study and base all of your faith in the Catholic version of the Bible? Fools! Get the truth, quit fiddling with these theives in the pulpits, and clean yourselves of your afflictions!!


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GREAT MIND.


Nice piece of truth, nice, real nice!!!!


WORTH REPEATING!!!!!!!

Yes, study the bible that still possess the book of Enoch within its pages, you'll be protected and who knows, maybe even raptured!!!!!!

Thanks Poster and GOD bless you!!!!


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Wait a minute, weren't you just debating me?

So?

When you say something truthful and smart I'll tell you so, lol.

And this is smart, real smart....
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In that case, thank you.
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We will have to agree to disagree. Obama is standing where he should not because he is not qualified to hold the seat of the power of the world.

Jesus predicted that the religious buildings would come tumbling down and be burnt in the flames. He warned people not to build upon his foundations with building materials. One of those churches burnt to the ground the day that I flew into the USA. Yes we do have more than one generation, my generation, my son's generation etc.

The Son of Man that is the prophet did descend. The prophet arrived exactly as Jesus predicted that they would. The mistake that many people make is that they forget that Jesus promised to send a person from the father during these times. People think that the Son of Man is only mentioned in terms of Jesus and I have already proven with scripture that isn't the case. If people really read and truly understood the Revelations Jesus does not come until after the New Jerusalem is built. He also has a new name and there is only one that knows it.

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Then you are a Muslim.

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We will have to agree to disagree. Obama is standing where he should not because he is not qualified to hold the seat of the power of the world.

Jesus predicted that the religious buildings would come tumbling down and be burnt in the flames. He warned people not to build upon his foundations with building materials. One of those churches burnt to the ground the day that I flew into the USA. Yes we do have more than one generation, my generation, my son's generation etc.

The Son of Man that is the prophet did descend. The prophet arrived exactly as Jesus predicted that they would. The mistake that many people make is that they forget that Jesus promised to send a person from the father during these times. People think that the Son of Man is only mentioned in terms of Jesus and I have already proven with scripture that isn't the case. If people really read and truly understood the Revelations Jesus does not come until after the New Jerusalem is built. He also has a new name and there is only one that knows it.

Lotus

Then you are a Muslim.

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HI-JACKER is right. Either you are a Muslim or you have mis-represetented about 3/4 of the book of Revelation, Daniel, and all the gospels.
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The mistake that many people make is that they forget that Jesus promised to send a person from the father during these times.
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Quote from Jesus saying he would send a person, not a spirit (Comforter) but a real human....
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The rapture will be exactly like Wile E Coyote...

You will fall off the cliff (go through Tribulations), hit the ground (be persecuted), and then your chute will pop out (rapture comes).

anonstoner
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lol

Hahahahaha, thankfully not, but that was funny.
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

"...the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." I John 1:7

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23

And this is the record, that God hath given
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No Lotus, you can't make scriptures up to suit your argument. I know all my scriptures, and then some. Mark 13 speaks of the generation(s) that will witness the following:[14] "When you see the desolating abomination standing where he should not (let the reader understand), then those in Judea must flee to the mountains,


The desolation has occurred, and that which stands there is still standing there today (the Mosque). Islam according to Jesus and Mark has desolated the Temple by building upon it with the Mosque (Root of David) and Islam declared that Jesus is not the son of God rather a man/prophet. This event should have triggered the rest of Mark where the Son of Man descends.


Falsehoods, need I say more????

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Oops! Wrong again! It clearly states that this generation will see the end, not that the abomination of desolation will bring about the end. We still have 60 years before the generation that witnessed Israel become a nation was born.

Sorry try again.

Try again, you mean Mark should try again he wrote the book not I.

Here's what it says fortunately for the logically inclined.



Mark.13:[14]"When you see the desolating abomination standing where he should not (let the reader understand), then those in Judea must flee to the mountains,

[15](and) a person on a housetop must not go down or enter to get anything out of his house,

[16]and a person in a field must not return to get his cloak.

[17]Woe to pregnant women and nursing mothers in those days.

[18]Pray that this does not happen in winter.

[19]For those times will have tribulation such as has not been since the beginning of God's creation until now, nor ever will be.

[20]If the Lord had not shortened those days, no one would be saved; but for the sake of the elect whom he chose, he did shorten the days.

[21]If anyone says to you then, 'Look, here is the Messiah! Look, there he is!' do not believe it.

[22]False messiahs and false prophets will arise and will perform signs and wonders in order to mislead, if that were possible, the elect.

[23]Be watchful! I have told it all to you beforehand.

[24]"But in those days after that tribulation the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light,

[25]and the stars will be falling from the sky, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.

[26]And then they will see 'the Son of Man coming in the clouds' with great power and glory,

-----------------------------------------

[14]Speaks of the desolating abomination standing where he should not (the Mosque).

[20]This offense trigger tribulation because the Muslims desecrate the Root of David by declaring Jesus is NOT the son of God but a prophet. That GOD himself has to cut short the days.

[26]And all see the Son of coming down from the clouds.


FALSEHOODS.
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I see no timelines here. This could happen over a wide span of time...
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The rapture will be exactly like Wile E Coyote...

You will fall off the cliff (go through Tribulations), hit the ground (be persecuted), and then your chute will pop out (rapture comes).

anonstoner


lol

Hahahahaha, thankfully not but that was funny.
 Quoting: Cassie :-)

Cassie good to see you in here. I was curious to see all of your bible referencesfor the PRE-trib rapture. Could you post them? Please? I need to show GLP'ers just how easy it is to debunk them...
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I have been raptured already. It is a metaphor.
And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.
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Cassie good to see you in here. I was curious to see all of your bible references for the PRE-trib rapture. Could you post them? Please? I need to show GLP'ers just how easy it is to debunk them...
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They are on page 3 of this thread subject. Debunk away but you will never be able to take away "My blessed HOPE".
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

"...the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." I John 1:7

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23

And this is the record, that God hath given
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you only care about BEING RIGHT in your own eyes! look at yourself and be honest NOW

to be a candidate for the rapture is about loving everyone so much that you want god to purge you to the max so he can glorify you and trust you with his powers, and you can come back and love on everyone like jesus did in his neighborhood

thats what rapture is about

what the HELL are you all arguing and talking about then?
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This is the best post thus far in this thread. Of course, it was ignored.
And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.
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From Page 3.

Joel 2:31
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come.

Joel 3:115
The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.
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It will be a little hard for our Lord to have a thief in the night type, imminent, surprise arrival after the above quoted awe striking celestial events.

You will have people deceived into thinking they can just wait for these MAJOR tell tale signs to get right with the Lord. We are instructed to be watching and were told to pray to be accounted worthy to escape the testing to come upon the world.

And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Luke 21:33-36

I Thessalonians 1:10
And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
I Thessalonians 5:9

Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
Rev 3:10-11

The next verse says hes coming for those LOOKING for Him!
When he returns we all know that all will not be looking for him. He's returning the second time to those that ARE looking for him. That's why we're instructed to watch.

Hebrews 9:28
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation

Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Titus 2:13

HE IS COMING SOON!!!

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

"...the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." I John 1:7

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23

And this is the record, that God hath given
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I am not a Muslim. Who do you do think is the woman that is clothed in the Sun with the moon under her feet? Why do you think she has the moon under her feet and the crown on her head? Who do you think gave her the crown? Who do you think Jesus is talking too when he says I will give them them a White Stone, a new name, a new soul, the name of my God, the name of my city and my new name? He is talking about the one that overcame everything, he is talking about the Prophet that he prays to the father to send to give out the food at the required time.

"Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name." Revelation 3:11-13

Anyway, people like you don't believe me so check out this link it explains a lot more to you. "And I will pray the Father, and he will give you another Paraclete", what He is saying is that 'another' intercessor will be sent to man, as He Himself was at God's side on man's behalf during His earthly life. According to the rules of logic therefore, one is brought to see in John's Paraclete a human being like Jesus, possessing the faculties of hearing and speech formally implied in John's Greek text. Jesus therefore predicts that God will later send a human being to Earth to take up the role defined by John, i.e. to be a prophet who hears God's word and repeats his message to man. This is the logical interpretation of John's texts arrived at if one attributes to the words their proper meaning."

[link to www.jamaat.net]

There is a lot more but this is enough for you to chew on for now.



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Mark.13:[14]"When you see the desolating abomination standing where he should not (let the reader understand), then those in Judea must flee to the mountains,

[15](and) a person on a housetop must not go down or enter to get anything out of his house,

[16]and a person in a field must not return to get his cloak.

[17]Woe to pregnant women and nursing mothers in those days.

[18]Pray that this does not happen in winter.

[19]For those times will have tribulation such as has not been since the beginning of God's creation until now, nor ever will be.

[20]If the Lord had not shortened those days, no one would be saved; but for the sake of the elect whom he chose, he did shorten the days.

[21]If anyone says to you then, 'Look, here is the Messiah! Look, there he is!' do not believe it.

[22]False messiahs and false prophets will arise and will perform signs and wonders in order to mislead, if that were possible, the elect.

[23]Be watchful! I have told it all to you beforehand.

[24]"But in those days after that tribulation the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light,

[25]and the stars will be falling from the sky, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.

[26]And then they will see 'the Son of Man coming in the clouds' with great power and glory,

-----------------------------------------

[14]Speaks of the desolating abomination standing where he should not (the Mosque).

[20]This offense trigger tribulation because the Muslims desecrate the Root of David by declaring Jesus is NOT the son of God but a prophet. That GOD himself has to cut short the days.

[26]And all see the Son of coming down from the clouds.

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I see no timelines here. This could happen over a wide span of time...
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Fair enough, if you can't see it allow me to magnify it for you. [14]From the time people see the desolating abomination standing where it shouldn't, because the Mosque is built over the old Temple of Solomon a root of david like Jesus and Islams makes the claim that Jesus isn't the Son of God which triggers the tribulation so strong that [20]that GOD himself has to shorten the days or no-one would survive. And [20]living in that timeline would see the Son of Man come from the clouds.

The Mosque was BUILT in 705AD its now well over 1300 years of this "Abomination" when will this prophecy come true? Never, it was destroyed in 746AD by earthquake rebuilt again in 754AD just to be rebuilt in 780AD. No offense but Jesus ain't GOD nor LORD.
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all of you all make me sick

u argue about this thing like any one of you can tell someone which scenario is the true one, and for what?

so you can look at current events and figure out on your own whether it fits your storyline? and then for what?

so you can rely on you the strength of your own arm of the flesh to save your self? or or or

or, oh so you can get on your knees in time and say, i know now that u are coming lord, please take me too?


what do u delve into this exercise in the words in the bible for? what are you looking for? a sign that we are in the tribulation or before it, or half way thru, or what?? what?


why?? why???

why arent u desiring the kingdom
why arent u desiring righteousness (disgusted with your self and asking god to clean you up inside, your nasty thought life and ungodly habits, bad words you speak, and stupid things you do)

why arent u focused on learning to hear god the almighty creator speak directly to you? why dont you ask him to teach you to hear him like that?

then he can prepare you for the truth... then it wont matter what you can figure out on your own, because u can hear from the source, the exact instructions to prepare you and your loved ones for the truth of what he himself is doing

stop arguing over this stuff!

not a one of you talk about being raptured and coming back to help a single soul

none of you look forward to doing the exploits daniel promised

you dont CARE ABOUT anyone else, nor their salvation

you only care about BEING RIGHT in your own eyes! look at yourself and be honest NOW

to be a candidate for the rapture is about loving everyone so much that you want god to purge you to the max so he can glorify you and trust you with his powers, and you can come back and love on everyone like jesus did in his neighborhood

thats what rapture is about

what the HELL are you all arguing and talking about then?
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Thanks, ME - that's why I quit posting.

Thanks for the reminder.
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Mark.13:[14]"When you see the desolating abomination standing where he should not (let the reader understand), then those in Judea must flee to the mountains,

[15](and) a person on a housetop must not go down or enter to get anything out of his house,

[16]and a person in a field must not return to get his cloak.

[17]Woe to pregnant women and nursing mothers in those days.

[18]Pray that this does not happen in winter.

[19]For those times will have tribulation such as has not been since the beginning of God's creation until now, nor ever will be.

[20]If the Lord had not shortened those days, no one would be saved; but for the sake of the elect whom he chose, he did shorten the days.

[21]If anyone says to you then, 'Look, here is the Messiah! Look, there he is!' do not believe it.

[22]False messiahs and false prophets will arise and will perform signs and wonders in order to mislead, if that were possible, the elect.

[23]Be watchful! I have told it all to you beforehand.

[24]"But in those days after that tribulation the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light,

[25]and the stars will be falling from the sky, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.

[26]And then they will see 'the Son of Man coming in the clouds' with great power and glory,

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[14]Speaks of the desolating abomination standing where he should not (the Mosque).

[20]This offense trigger tribulation because the Muslims desecrate the Root of David by declaring Jesus is NOT the son of God but a prophet. That GOD himself has to cut short the days.

[26]And all see the Son of coming down from the clouds.

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I see no timelines here. This could happen over a wide span of time...
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Fair enough, if you can't see it allow me to magnify it for you. [14]From the time people see the desolating abomination standing where it shouldn't, because the Mosque is built over the old Temple of Solomon a root of david like Jesus and Islams makes the claim that Jesus isn't the Son of God which triggers the tribulation so strong that [20]that GOD himself has to shorten the days or no-one would survive. And [26]living in that timeline would see the Son of Man come from the clouds.

The Mosque was BUILT in 705AD its now well over 1300 years of this "Abomination" when will this prophecy come true? Never, it was destroyed in 746AD by earthquake rebuilt again in 754AD just to be rebuilt in 780AD. No offense but Jesus ain't GOD nor LORD.
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"Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name." Revelation 3:11-13
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Get the Hell out of here....


In Revelation 3 Jesus is talking everyone and anyone in those 7 churches.


Please, quote where Jesus says he'll send someone else to Comfort the sheep, lol.....
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Cassie good to see you in here. I was curious to see all of your bible references for the PRE-trib rapture. Could you post them? Please? I need to show GLP'ers just how easy it is to debunk them...


They are on page 3 of this thread subject. Debunk away but you will never be able to take away "My blessed HOPE".
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"The blessed hope" is the second coming of Christ not the secret coming. Our hope lies in his well seen and glorious return when he will then judge his righteous judgements.
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"Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name." Revelation 3:11-13

Get the Hell out of here....

In Revelation 3 Jesus is talking everyone and anyone in those 7 churches.


Please, quote where Jesus says he'll send someone else to Comfort the sheep, lol.....
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Read the link that I have provided you....

The word church meant community and jesus talks about the one person.

How many people in the churches do you know that have received a new name, a new soul etc etc?

Most Christians don't even understand the true meaning of the second birth let the alone the rest.

How many people do you know that know the new name of Jesus?

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They are on page 3 of this thread subject. Debunk away but you will never be able to take away "My blessed HOPE".

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"The blessed hope" is the second coming of Christ not the secret coming. Our hope lies in his well seen and glorious return when he will then judge his righteous judgements.
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Puleeeezzzzzz, the first time the LORD came down to save Mankind was during the days of Noah. The LORD chained up the Fallen angels of Genesis who fornicated with the earth women and brought forth the Nephilims and then sent the Flood saving Mankind (Noah).


The second time will be similar where people will escape the Great Judgment like Noah did and the rest is just 'Writing on the Wall.'
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What did Jesus or the bible mean mean by the following. Jesus specifically states in Mark13:[30] Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. That generation passed away and, "they will see 'the Son of Man coming in the clouds' with great power and glory." Hasn't happened!!!!
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Notice the context:

28"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 29Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it is near, right at the door. 30I tell you the truth, this generation[e] will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 31Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

Jesus is within a parable when he says THIS GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS AWAY. So he's referring to the generation of the fig tree. Pretty simple really.
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Well apparently I was unsuccessfull in ending the "rapture" debate! I guess scriptural proof isn't enough anymore. Pretty sad really.
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Please, quote where Jesus says he'll send someone else to Comfort the sheep, lol.....

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Read the link that I have provided you....

The word church meant community and jesus talks about the one person.

How many people in the churches do you know that have received a new name, a new soul etc etc?

Most Christians don't even understand the true meaning of the second birth let the alone the rest.

Lotus
 Quoting: Lotus Feet

Just wasting peoples time hey?

That you read it and know the whereabouts of the quote in a Bible, I don't care what Bible, even the Satanic Bible will do at this point just quote it for all to see, no more cloak and dagger that you have special knowledge when in reality you are just dodging and weaving...
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What did Jesus or the bible mean mean by the following. Jesus specifically states in Mark13:[30] Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. That generation passed away and, "they will see 'the Son of Man coming in the clouds' with great power and glory." Hasn't happened!!!!


Notice the context:

28"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 29Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it is near, right at the door. 30I tell you the truth, this generation[e] will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 31Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

Jesus is within a parable when he says THIS GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS AWAY. So he's referring to the generation of the fig tree. Pretty simple really.
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That quote was not from Lotus, so you are not responding to the right person.

The Fig tree represents the people of Israel getting tender. It is a sign of the time, a timing link. Many people in Israel have become tender.

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Well apparently I was unsuccessfull in ending the "rapture" debate! I guess scriptural proof isn't enough anymore. Pretty sad really.
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It is sad O-P, very sad. I tried may of times giving seekers who claim to be wanting the truth the original and Holy scriptures of where this story first was written but to no avail. They'd rather believe a forged copy of the Rapture.

Book of Thessalonian was written in 50AD and many apostles were schooled by the Book of Enoch which was written centuries before the New Testament.


Book Of Enoch.


2Enoch.65:[6]There will be one aeon, and all the righteous who shall escape the LORD'S Great judgment, shall be collected in the Great aeon, for the righteous the Great aeon will begin, and they will live eternally, and then too there will be amongst them neither labour, nor sickness.

LORD'S Great judgment, shall be collected in the Great aeon,


The One who wrote the story "first" is the AUTHOR of that story, you gotta believe in the GOD in which the rapture story was written in to be a part of that story. Judaism is a forged copy from the book of Enoch that's why the rapture is mentioned in Joel, and thereafter in the New Testament.
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Well apparently I was unsuccessfull in ending the "rapture" debate! I guess scriptural proof isn't enough anymore. Pretty sad really.
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People will do anything to asure themselves that their pastors are not lying or dumb. As I said before Jesus himself told us when he will be gathering us together. AFTER the tribulation. Matthew 24:29 thru 31. It's more than enough for any of these "riddlers" to wake up from the trap that has been set. Yes, I said trap, and that is exactly what it is.

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