ENDING THE "RAPTURE" DEBATE USING BIBLE VERSES!!!

Jesus is talking about the generation that lives through the rest of the chapter.
No Lotus, you can't make scriptures up to suit your argument. I know all my scriptures, and then some. Mark 13 speaks of the generation(s) that will witness the following:[14] "When you see the desolating abomination standing where he should not (let the reader understand), then those in Judea must flee to the mountains,

The desolation has occurred, and that which stands there is still standing there today (the Mosque). Islam according to Jesus and Mark has desolated the Temple by building upon it with the Mosque (Root of David) and Islam declared that Jesus is not the son of God rather a man/prophet. This event should have triggered the rest of Mark where the Son of Man descends.


Falsehoods, need I say more????

No Lotus, you can't make scriptures up to suit your argument. I know all my scriptures, and then some. Mark 13 speaks of the generation(s) that will witness the following:[14] "When you see the desolating abomination standing where he should not (let the reader understand), then those in Judea must flee to the mountains,


The desolation has occurred, and that which stands there is still standing there today (the Mosque). Islam according to Jesus and Mark has desolated the Temple by building upon it with the Mosque (Root of David) and Islam declared that Jesus is not the son of God rather a man/prophet. This event should have triggered the rest of Mark where the Son of Man descends.


Falsehoods, need I say more????

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Oops! Wrong again! It clearly states that this generation will see the end, not that the abomination of desolation will bring about the end. We still have 60 years before the generation that witnessed Israel become a nation was born.

Sorry try again.

Personally I couldn't care less about going to heaven or being right. The most important thing to me is to represent the authors of ALL of the books of the bible with the truth. The Pseudopigrapha, the Apocrypha, and the Holy Bible. Unfortunatly most people that say they are christians are actually catholics. No? Hmmm, then why do you study and base all of your faith in the Catholic version of the Bible? Fools! Get the truth, quit fiddling with these theives in the pulpits, and clean yourselves of your afflictions!!


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Nice piece of truth, nice, real nice!!!!

WORTH REPEATING!!!!!!!

Yes, study the bible that still possess the book of Enoch within its pages, you'll be protected and who knows, maybe even raptured!!!!!!

Thanks Poster and GOD bless you!!!!

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Wait a minute, weren't you just debating me?

Good gawd this is hysterical ....... BIBLE VERSE FIGHT !!!!

I thought I saw it all on the last page, with one poster telling another poster that he underlined and boldened the wrong way - but then to see on this page someone say "wait aminute, weren't you just debating me"?

LMGDAO, you all become so foamed at the mouth that you don't even know who you are arguing with.

All the while, negating the fact that while you are all arguing with each other how Bible verses should be translated - the spirit you each claim to have degrades to nothing because all your energy is put into ....... fighting.

And you wonder why people don't take you seriously.

Personally I couldn't care less about going to heaven or being right. The most important thing to me is to represent the authors of ALL of the books of the bible with the truth. The Pseudopigrapha, the Apocrypha, and the Holy Bible. Unfortunatly most people that say they are christians are actually catholics. No? Hmmm, then why do you study and base all of your faith in the Catholic version of the Bible? Fools! Get the truth, quit fiddling with these theives in the pulpits, and clean yourselves of your afflictions!!


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GREAT MIND.


Nice piece of truth, nice, real nice!!!!

WORTH REPEATING!!!!!!!

Yes, study the bible that still possess the book of Enoch within its pages, you'll be protected and who knows, maybe even raptured!!!!!!

Thanks Poster and GOD bless you!!!!

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Wait a minute, weren't you just debating me?

So?

When you say something truthful and smart I'll tell you so, lol.

And this is smart, real smart....

We will have to agree to disagree. Obama is standing where he should not because he is not qualified to hold the seat of the power of the world.

Jesus predicted that the religious buildings would come tumbling down and be burnt in the flames. He warned people not to build upon his foundations with building materials. One of those churches burnt to the ground the day that I flew into the USA. Yes we do have more than one generation, my generation, my son's generation etc.

The Son of Man that is the prophet did descend. The prophet arrived exactly as Jesus predicted that they would. The mistake that many people make is that they forget that Jesus promised to send a person from the father during these times. People think that the Son of Man is only mentioned in terms of Jesus and I have already proven with scripture that isn't the case. If people really read and truly understood the Revelations Jesus does not come until after the New Jerusalem is built. He also has a new name and there is only one that knows it.

Lotus

We will have to agree to disagree. Obama is standing where he should not because he is not qualified to hold the seat of the power of the world.

Jesus predicted that the religious buildings would come tumbling down and be burnt in the flames. He warned people not to build upon his foundations with building materials. One of those churches burnt to the ground the day that I flew into the USA. Yes we do have more than one generation, my generation, my son's generation etc.

The Son of Man that is the prophet did descend. The prophet arrived exactly as Jesus predicted that they would. The mistake that many people make is that they forget that Jesus promised to send a person from the father during these times. People think that the Son of Man is only mentioned in terms of Jesus and I have already proven with scripture that isn't the case. If people really read and truly understood the Revelations Jesus does not come until after the New Jerusalem is built. He also has a new name and there is only one that knows it.

Lotus

Then you are a Muslim.

HI-JACKER

The mistake that many people make is that they forget that Jesus promised to send a person from the father during these times.

The rapture will be exactly like Wile E Coyote...

You will fall off the cliff (go through Tribulations), hit the ground (be persecuted), and then your chute will pop out (rapture comes).

No Lotus, you can't make scriptures up to suit your argument. I know all my scriptures, and then some. Mark 13 speaks of the generation(s) that will witness the following:[14] "When you see the desolating abomination standing where he should not (let the reader understand), then those in Judea must flee to the mountains,


The desolation has occurred, and that which stands there is still standing there today (the Mosque). Islam according to Jesus and Mark has desolated the Temple by building upon it with the Mosque (Root of David) and Islam declared that Jesus is not the son of God rather a man/prophet. This event should have triggered the rest of Mark where the Son of Man descends.


Falsehoods, need I say more????

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Oops! Wrong again! It clearly states that this generation will see the end, not that the abomination of desolation will bring about the end. We still have 60 years before the generation that witnessed Israel become a nation was born.

Sorry try again.

Try again, you mean Mark should try again he wrote the book not I.

Here's what it says fortunately for the logically inclined.



Mark.13:[14]"When you see the desolating abomination standing where he should not (let the reader understand), then those in Judea must flee to the mountains,

[15](and) a person on a housetop must not go down or enter to get anything out of his house,

[16]and a person in a field must not return to get his cloak.

[17]Woe to pregnant women and nursing mothers in those days.

[18]Pray that this does not happen in winter.

[19]For those times will have tribulation such as has not been since the beginning of God's creation until now, nor ever will be.

[20]If the Lord had not shortened those days, no one would be saved; but for the sake of the elect whom he chose, he did shorten the days.

[21]If anyone says to you then, 'Look, here is the Messiah! Look, there he is!' do not believe it.

[22]False messiahs and false prophets will arise and will perform signs and wonders in order to mislead, if that were possible, the elect.

[23]Be watchful! I have told it all to you beforehand.

[24]"But in those days after that tribulation the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light,

[25]and the stars will be falling from the sky, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.

[26]And then they will see 'the Son of Man coming in the clouds' with great power and glory,

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[14]Speaks of the desolating abomination standing where he should not (the Mosque).

[20]This offense trigger tribulation because the Muslims desecrate the Root of David by declaring Jesus is NOT the son of God but a prophet. That GOD himself has to cut short the days.

[26]And all see the Son of coming down from the clouds.


FALSEHOODS.

The rapture will be exactly like Wile E Coyote...

You will fall off the cliff (go through Tribulations), hit the ground (be persecuted), and then your chute will pop out (rapture comes).






Hahahahaha, thankfully not but that was funny.

Cassie good to see you in here. I was curious to see all of your bible references for the PRE-trib rapture. Could you post them? Please? I need to show GLP'ers just how easy it is to debunk them...

you only care about BEING RIGHT in your own eyes! look at yourself and be honest NOW

to be a candidate for the rapture is about loving everyone so much that you want god to purge you to the max so he can glorify you and trust you with his powers, and you can come back and love on everyone like jesus did in his neighborhood

thats what rapture is about

what the HELL are you all arguing and talking about then?

Joel 2:31
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come.

Joel 3:115
The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

Mark.13:[14]"When you see the desolating abomination standing where he should not (let the reader understand), then those in Judea must flee to the mountains,

[15](and) a person on a housetop must not go down or enter to get anything out of his house,

[16]and a person in a field must not return to get his cloak.

[17]Woe to pregnant women and nursing mothers in those days.

[18]Pray that this does not happen in winter.

[19]For those times will have tribulation such as has not been since the beginning of God's creation until now, nor ever will be.

[20]If the Lord had not shortened those days, no one would be saved; but for the sake of the elect whom he chose, he did shorten the days.

[21]If anyone says to you then, 'Look, here is the Messiah! Look, there he is!' do not believe it.

[22]False messiahs and false prophets will arise and will perform signs and wonders in order to mislead, if that were possible, the elect.

[23]Be watchful! I have told it all to you beforehand.

[24]"But in those days after that tribulation the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light,

[25]and the stars will be falling from the sky, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.

[26]And then they will see 'the Son of Man coming in the clouds' with great power and glory,

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[14]Speaks of the desolating abomination standing where he should not (the Mosque).

[20]This offense trigger tribulation because the Muslims desecrate the Root of David by declaring Jesus is NOT the son of God but a prophet. That GOD himself has to cut short the days.

[26]And all see the Son of coming down from the clouds.

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I see no timelines here. This could happen over a wide span of time...

all of you all make me sick

u argue about this thing like any one of you can tell someone which scenario is the true one, and for what?

so you can look at current events and figure out on your own whether it fits your storyline? and then for what?

so you can rely on you the strength of your own arm of the flesh to save your self? or or or

or, oh so you can get on your knees in time and say, i know now that u are coming lord, please take me too?


what do u delve into this exercise in the words in the bible for? what are you looking for? a sign that we are in the tribulation or before it, or half way thru, or what?? what?


why?? why???

why arent u desiring the kingdom
why arent u desiring righteousness (disgusted with your self and asking god to clean you up inside, your nasty thought life and ungodly habits, bad words you speak, and stupid things you do)

why arent u focused on learning to hear god the almighty creator speak directly to you? why dont you ask him to teach you to hear him like that?

then he can prepare you for the truth... then it wont matter what you can figure out on your own, because u can hear from the source, the exact instructions to prepare you and your loved ones for the truth of what he himself is doing

stop arguing over this stuff!

not a one of you talk about being raptured and coming back to help a single soul

none of you look forward to doing the exploits daniel promised

you dont CARE ABOUT anyone else, nor their salvation

you only care about BEING RIGHT in your own eyes! look at yourself and be honest NOW

to be a candidate for the rapture is about loving everyone so much that you want god to purge you to the max so he can glorify you and trust you with his powers, and you can come back and love on everyone like jesus did in his neighborhood

thats what rapture is about

what the HELL are you all arguing and talking about then?

Mark.13:[14]"When you see the desolating abomination standing where he should not (let the reader understand), then those in Judea must flee to the mountains,

[15](and) a person on a housetop must not go down or enter to get anything out of his house,

[16]and a person in a field must not return to get his cloak.

[17]Woe to pregnant women and nursing mothers in those days.

[18]Pray that this does not happen in winter.

[19]For those times will have tribulation such as has not been since the beginning of God's creation until now, nor ever will be.

[20]If the Lord had not shortened those days, no one would be saved; but for the sake of the elect whom he chose, he did shorten the days.

[21]If anyone says to you then, 'Look, here is the Messiah! Look, there he is!' do not believe it.

[22]False messiahs and false prophets will arise and will perform signs and wonders in order to mislead, if that were possible, the elect.

[23]Be watchful! I have told it all to you beforehand.

[24]"But in those days after that tribulation the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light,

[25]and the stars will be falling from the sky, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.

[26]And then they will see 'the Son of Man coming in the clouds' with great power and glory,

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[14]Speaks of the desolating abomination standing where he should not (the Mosque).

[20]This offense trigger tribulation because the Muslims desecrate the Root of David by declaring Jesus is NOT the son of God but a prophet. That GOD himself has to cut short the days.

[26]And all see the Son of coming down from the clouds.

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I see no timelines here. This could happen over a wide span of time...

"Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name." Revelation 3:11-13

Cassie good to see you in here. I was curious to see all of your bible references for the PRE-trib rapture. Could you post them? Please? I need to show GLP'ers just how easy it is to debunk them...


They are on page 3 of this thread subject. Debunk away but you will never be able to take away "My blessed HOPE".

"Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name." Revelation 3:11-13

Get the Hell out of here....

In Revelation 3 Jesus is talking everyone and anyone in those 7 churches.


Please, quote where Jesus says he'll send someone else to Comfort the sheep, lol.....

They are on page 3 of this thread subject. Debunk away but you will never be able to take away "My blessed HOPE".

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"The blessed hope" is the second coming of Christ not the secret coming. Our hope lies in his well seen and glorious return when he will then judge his righteous judgements.

What did Jesus or the bible mean mean by the following. Jesus specifically states in Mark13:[30] Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. That generation passed away and, "they will see 'the Son of Man coming in the clouds' with great power and glory." Hasn't happened!!!!
Lotus

Please, quote where Jesus says he'll send someone else to Comfort the sheep, lol.....

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Read the link that I have provided you....

The word church meant community and jesus talks about the one person.

How many people in the churches do you know that have received a new name, a new soul etc etc?

Most Christians don't even understand the true meaning of the second birth let the alone the rest.

Lotus

What did Jesus or the bible mean mean by the following. Jesus specifically states in Mark13:[30] Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. That generation passed away and, "they will see 'the Son of Man coming in the clouds' with great power and glory." Hasn't happened!!!!


Notice the context:

28"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 29Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it is near, right at the door. 30I tell you the truth, this generation[e] will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 31Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

Jesus is within a parable when he says THIS GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS AWAY. So he's referring to the generation of the fig tree. Pretty simple really.

Well apparently I was unsuccessfull in ending the "rapture" debate! I guess scriptural proof isn't enough anymore. Pretty sad really.

Well apparently I was unsuccessfull in ending the "rapture" debate! I guess scriptural proof isn't enough anymore. Pretty sad really.