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| Jodido
User ID: 32814
11/17/2008 3:51 PM | | Re: God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible??? | Quote |
There is a book I read once. Sci Fi. It may be the one called, The Man Who Walked Thru Walls. It was a story of a guy that was ordered to go to this planet, and get to know the people there. Well, one of the things the people there were into was this magic mirror thingy. They sat this guy in front of the mirror. The mirror then showed this guy his life, and other stuff. It was many moons ago; I forget the details. But, the thing is, afterwards, the dude became a god. Good book. Quoting: Jodido
Who knows, I may just be a guy sitting infront of a (magic) mirror. I just, consciously, am unaware of it... |
| Free Indeed
User ID: 553005
11/17/2008 3:54 PM | | Re: God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible??? | Quote |
Is an image the same thing as the subject? An image in the mirror is not technically the actual you. It captures an image of you. Can that image feel, think, or operate in the same manner as the you that is creating/making the image in the mirror?
Imagine that it is a magic mirror :)
Ya know, Pink Floyd had a song. I forget the name now, it was on their Wish You Were Here album. The lyrics went something like; you are everything you experience; everything you see; everything you hear; everything you read... Quoting: Jodido
The mind is capable of all kinds of imagination. (Sometimes to it's own demise, and sometimes not)
Tis' true we are what we take in. It is wise to be careful what we see, hear, and touch.
The fact remains that not one of us alive today will ever see our own face. We only ever see a reflection of it. We also cannot see the top, back, or side of our heads. There is a reason for this IMO.
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| Jodido
User ID: 32814
11/17/2008 3:54 PM | | Re: God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible??? | Quote |
One interesting aspect of that book was that the dude, while infront of the mirror, was able to defeat like the dragon by understanding it. By understanding it, and therefore emphasizing with it (like its fate in life), he got the dragon to stop its natural inclination to attack the dude, and instead became friends with the dude.
It correlates to my idea that if we do not walk our inner dog, it will go on the rug. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 527576
11/17/2008 3:54 PM | | Re: God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible??? | Quote |
Deuteronomy 30:19 (New King James Version)
19 I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live"
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Um, whatever ya meant by posting that. Quoting: Jodido
It was posted in response to your thread title...
God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible??? |
| Jodido
User ID: 32814
11/17/2008 3:59 PM | | Re: God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible??? | Quote |
This has reminded me of a brief discussion I recently had about Jesus, on the cross, surrounded by two others, on their own cross.
[heh, this song by the Rolling stones just started playing: 2000 From Home] Kinda creepy.
Anyway, these two others were theifs. This guy interpreted said that the two theifs are our two eyes, and Jesus is our inner, third eye (the pineal gland). The guy interpreted that by saying that our two eyes are lying to us; the reality they are looking at is a lie; the other two guys were theifs. I say that if our pineal gland is a connection to god (which is what Jesus was), then our two eyes are seeing the creation, for god is the creator. |
| Jodido
User ID: 32814
11/17/2008 4:01 PM | | Re: God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible??? | Quote |
Deuteronomy 30:19 (New King James Version)
19 I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live"
==========================================
Um, whatever ya meant by posting that.
It was posted in response to your thread title...
God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible??? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 527576
So, your saying that its a matter of choice? That we must choose between something?
I happen to be the AC that always posts about the peanutbutter; that we must choose between creamy or chunky.
So you can guess what I think of that... |
| Free Indeed
User ID: 553005
11/17/2008 4:05 PM | | Re: God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible??? | Quote |
What is unseen is by far more valid and true than what is seen. This does not mean that all we see is a lie does it? Just perhaps a different kind of real.
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| Jodido
User ID: 32814
11/17/2008 4:06 PM | | Re: God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible??? | Quote |
This has reminded me of a brief discussion I recently had about Jesus, on the cross, surrounded by two others, on their own cross.
[heh, this song by the Rolling stones just started playing: 2000 From Home] Kinda creepy.
Anyway, these two others were theifs. This guy interpreted said that the two theifs are our two eyes, and Jesus is our inner, third eye (the pineal gland). The guy interpreted that by saying that our two eyes are lying to us; the reality they are looking at is a lie; the other two guys were theifs. I say that if our pineal gland is a connection to god (which is what Jesus was), then our two eyes are seeing the creation, for god is the creator. Quoting: Jodido
Now, going a step further. The reason why the guy might think this is a lie we see, besides them two beiong theifs, is the insinuated judgement of the creation: that it is bad, and therefore a mistake, becuase a perfect god would not create a bad.
The universe is dual in nature. By focusing on the negative, you may not see the positive.... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 527745
11/17/2008 4:10 PM | | Re: God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible??? | Quote |
BUT NO ONE IS ANSWERING MY QUESTION!!!!
IF FREE WILL IS NOT IN THE BIBLE, WHERE DID WE GET THIS IDEA???
That is a good question. I think you might be interested in the Wikipedia article "Free will in theology"
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Quoting from the article:
In Rabbinic literature, there is much discussion as to the apparent contradiction between God's omniscience and free will. The representative view is that "Everything is foreseen; yet free will is given" (Rabbi Akiva, Pirkei Avoth 3:15). Based on this understanding, the problem is formally described as a paradox, beyond our understanding.
“ The Holy One, Blessed Be He, knows everything that will happen before it has happened. So does He know whether a particular person will be righteous or wicked, or not? If He does know, then it will be impossible for that person not to be righteous. If He knows that he will be righteous but that it is possible for him to be wicked, then He does not know everything that He has created. ...[T]he Holy One, Blessed Be He, does not have any temperaments and is outside such realms, unlike people, whose selves and temperaments are two separate things. God and His temperaments are one, and God's existence is beyond the comprehension of Man… [Thus] we do not have the capabilities to comprehend how the Holy One, Blessed Be He, knows all creations and events. [Nevertheless] know without doubt that people do what they want without the Holy One, Blessed Be He, forcing or decreeing upon them to do so... It has been said because of this that a man is judged according to all his actions. (Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Teshuva 5:5 [2]) ”
The paradox is explained, but not resolved, by observing that God exists outside of time, and therefore, his knowledge of the future is exactly the same as his knowledge of the past and present. Just as his knowledge of the past does not interfere with man's free will, neither does his knowledge of the future
I hope this is an answer of sorts: the idea of free will has been around for thousands of years and has been pondered upon by brilliant minds.
There are those who think that life
Has nothing left to chance
With a host of holy horrors
To direct our aimless dance
A planet of playthings
We dance on the strings
Of powers we cannot perceive
The stars arent aligned ---
Or the gods are malign
Blame is better to give than receive
You can choose a ready guide
In some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears
And kindness that can kill
I will choose a path thats clear
I will choose free will
There are those who think that theyve been dealt a losing hand
The cards were stacked against them ---
They werent born in lotus-land
All preordained
A prisoner in chains
A victim of venomous fate
Kicked in the face
You cant pray for a place
In heavens unearthly estate
Each of us
A cell of awareness
Imperfect and incomplete
Genetic blends
With uncertain ends
On a fortune hunt
Thats far too fleet...
Rush: Free Will  |
| Monadnock 
User ID: 552421
11/17/2008 4:11 PM
 | | Re: God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible??? | Quote |
No, god did not give man free will.
There is no god and free will is a gift of evolution! |
| Jodido
User ID: 32814
11/17/2008 4:12 PM | | Re: God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible??? | Quote |
What is unseen is by far more valid and true than what is seen. This does not mean that all we see is a lie does it? Just perhaps a different kind of real. Quoting: Free Indeed
I got this idea based on the premise that Jesus was all that. Its also worked off a statement I read once in this book that was explaining occultism, the religion. The statement is, Existing here, in this 3D, we are riding the crest of the wave of reality. I interpret that as we exist in the most real part of this dream we call reality.
Now, if you mix the idea that the God in the flesh incarnated on this planet, and only this planet, with the idea that we exist in the most real part. Then Earth wopuld be a special planet, infact, the most special in the whole universe, because He incarnated here. That makes Earth a god planet. Meaning, in the same way that Jesus was to another human, Earth is to the universe. It may be that WE create reality, albeit unknowingly. |
| Jodido
User ID: 32814
11/17/2008 4:20 PM | | Re: God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible??? | Quote |
BUT NO ONE IS ANSWERING MY QUESTION!!!!
IF FREE WILL IS NOT IN THE BIBLE, WHERE DID WE GET THIS IDEA???
That is a good question. I think you might be interested in the Wikipedia article "Free will in theology"
[ link to en.wikipedia.org]
Quoting from the article:
In Rabbinic literature, there is much discussion as to the apparent contradiction between God's omniscience and free will. The representative view is that "Everything is foreseen; yet free will is given" (Rabbi Akiva, Pirkei Avoth 3:15). Based on this understanding, the problem is formally described as a paradox, beyond our understanding.
“ The Holy One, Blessed Be He, knows everything that will happen before it has happened. So does He know whether a particular person will be righteous or wicked, or not? If He does know, then it will be impossible for that person not to be righteous. If He knows that he will be righteous but that it is possible for him to be wicked, then He does not know everything that He has created. ...[T]he Holy One, Blessed Be He, does not have any temperaments and is outside such realms, unlike people, whose selves and temperaments are two separate things. God and His temperaments are one, and God's existence is beyond the comprehension of Man… [Thus] we do not have the capabilities to comprehend how the Holy One, Blessed Be He, knows all creations and events. [Nevertheless] know without doubt that people do what they want without the Holy One, Blessed Be He, forcing or decreeing upon them to do so... It has been said because of this that a man is judged according to all his actions. (Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Teshuva 5:5 [2]) ”
The paradox is explained, but not resolved, by observing that God exists outside of time, and therefore, his knowledge of the future is exactly the same as his knowledge of the past and present. Just as his knowledge of the past does not interfere with man's free will, neither does his knowledge of the future
I hope this is an answer of sorts: the idea of free will has been around for thousands of years and has been pondered upon by brilliant minds.
There are those who think that life
Has nothing left to chance
With a host of holy horrors
To direct our aimless dance
A planet of playthings
We dance on the strings
Of powers we cannot perceive
The stars arent aligned ---
Or the gods are malign
Blame is better to give than receive
You can choose a ready guide
In some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears
And kindness that can kill
I will choose a path thats clear
I will choose free will
There are those who think that theyve been dealt a losing hand
The cards were stacked against them ---
They werent born in lotus-land
All preordained
A prisoner in chains
A victim of venomous fate
Kicked in the face
You cant pray for a place
In heavens unearthly estate
Each of us
A cell of awareness
Imperfect and incomplete
Genetic blends
With uncertain ends
On a fortune hunt
Thats far too fleet...
Rush: Free Will
Thank you, Yes, I have heard that Rush song. I liked Rush but never bought there stuff.
I have to disagree with that traditional appraoch. See, I think god is knowable, and approachable. In the white light, put thru a prism, get the resultant rainbow idea, you could say that god would know what you would, usually, do, in a particular circumstance, because you are a certain color. Doesn't mean you will always behave this way.... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 527745
11/17/2008 4:24 PM | | Re: God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible??? | Quote |
No, god did not give man free will.
There is no god and free will is a gift of evolution! Quoting: Monadnock
It is interesting you said that. Neuroscientists have been re-thinking free will lately: [link to blog.wired.com] |
| Jodido
User ID: 17974
11/17/2008 4:45 PM | | Re: God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible??? | Quote |
No, god did not give man free will.
There is no god and free will is a gift of evolution!
It is interesting you said that. Neuroscientists have been re-thinking free will lately: [ link to blog.wired.com]
Link doesn't work. You mean the quantum physics thing, about how our consciousness may dictate reality? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 527745
11/17/2008 4:54 PM | | Re: God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible??? | Quote |
No, god did not give man free will.
There is no god and free will is a gift of evolution!
It is interesting you said that. Neuroscientists have been re-thinking free will lately: [ link to blog.wired.com]
Link doesn't work. You mean the quantum physics thing, about how our consciousness may dictate reality?
Sorry. Let me try again: [link to blog.wired.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 527576
11/17/2008 4:58 PM | | Re: God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible??? | Quote |
Deuteronomy 30:19 (New King James Version)
19 I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live"
==========================================
Um, whatever ya meant by posting that.
It was posted in response to your thread title...
God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible???
============================================
So, your saying that its a matter of choice? That we must choose between something?
I happen to be the AC that always posts about the peanutbutter; that we must choose between creamy or chunky.
So you can guess what I think of that... Quoting: Jodido
Yes, you're free to choose your destination in eternity.
I just caught a show on heaven and hell and one woman put hell in perspective by saying that it's like knowingly eating bad or diseased food....
you'll end up sick..... of your own doing. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 553174
11/17/2008 5:13 PM | | Re: God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible??? | Quote |
I have my own ideas about god; lets just say my own interpretation. But it does take some things literally. For instance, I think Man is in the image of god. Take the pineal gland. I am a believer in the veil of ignorance. But integral to that is a belief in the free will of Man.
I do not remember where I heard this. I always though the Bible said it; in Genesis somewhere. But, I asked a pastor today, and he said its not in the Bible. This pastor is fresh out of seminary, so he should know.
Its a big thing; where did I hear it? Who came up with it? Is it a lie?
What is Man, then; on probation? Quoting: Jodido
We are i quarantine. The knowledge of "Good and Evil" very similar to Free will. We get to choose which side to be on. |
| Jodido
User ID: 17974
11/17/2008 5:13 PM | | Re: God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible??? | Quote |
No, god did not give man free will.
There is no god and free will is a gift of evolution!
It is interesting you said that. Neuroscientists have been re-thinking free will lately: [ link to blog.wired.com]
Link doesn't work. You mean the quantum physics thing, about how our consciousness may dictate reality?
Sorry. Let me try again: [ link to blog.wired.com]
Interesting. 7 seconds, eh? Whose number is that?
Thanks. |
| Jodido
User ID: 17974
11/17/2008 5:16 PM | | Re: God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible??? | Quote |
I have my own ideas about god; lets just say my own interpretation. But it does take some things literally. For instance, I think Man is in the image of god. Take the pineal gland. I am a believer in the veil of ignorance. But integral to that is a belief in the free will of Man.
I do not remember where I heard this. I always though the Bible said it; in Genesis somewhere. But, I asked a pastor today, and he said its not in the Bible. This pastor is fresh out of seminary, so he should know.
Its a big thing; where did I hear it? Who came up with it? Is it a lie?
What is Man, then; on probation?
We are i quarantine. The knowledge of "Good and Evil" very similar to Free will. We get to choose which side to be on. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 553174
But my thing is that humans are dual in nature. Therefore, I see it is a human's 'mission' to intergrate the two opposing parts, to form an intregal whole. So, I am kinda against thoughts which serve to keep it seperated. Like going to church; it seems duality is drilled into you...
I say rise above duality; god is one.... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 426194
11/17/2008 5:17 PM | | Re: God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible??? | Quote |
Deuteronomy 30:19 (New King James Version)
19 I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live"
==========================================
Um, whatever ya meant by posting that.
It was posted in response to your thread title...
God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible???
So, your saying that its a matter of choice? That we must choose between something?
I happen to be the AC that always posts about the peanutbutter; that we must choose between creamy or chunky.
So you can guess what I think of that... Quoting: Jodido
Yea, exactly. You choose between Right/Good - life and prosperity or Wrong/Bad - death and destruction.
It's called the law of reciprocity, karma, whatever....
It's a spiritual principle. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 553260
11/17/2008 5:18 PM | | Re: God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible??? | Quote |
BUT
I have always been god curious. My upbringing was catholic and jewish (go figure), but the catholic side did not attend church on a regular basis. It was not drilled into me how to believe in god.
What I was always curious about was the concept of God; exactly who or what is that?
What is a god in the flesh?
Here is one idea. That this is a dream; we all exist in god's dream. We all go to sleep at night, and have our own dreams, but always wake up in god's dream. Therefore, a god in the flesh would be god appearing in his own dream. Maybe we all are. But I am thinking here of an individual, say a Jesus.
You look in a mirror, what do you see? You, right? Thats they way I see a god in the flesh is, one living in his/her own mirror.
Take a human, any human, now get everything, every thought, emotion, nuance, ect, out of that human. Get every last morsel. Now, take that and create reality out of it.
There may be a man living now that is god, and not even know it.
In my rainbow and the white light thing, I say that humanity, altogether, make up all the colors of the rainbow. A god in the flesh would be one that is all the colors of the rainbow, in one person.
We are made in the image of god. I take that to mean that we largely have all the colors within us, but maybe like focused. Quoting: Jodido
>>We are made in the image of god<<
Reading that post made me think of something and i would like to point it out to you. Sometime you just have to stand back and take another look at something you thought you already knew.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Those verses are NOT telling you that we are made in God's image. Only one man was made in God's image and that was Jesus the Christ.
The rest of us were made in the image of the others (the ones referred to in OUR).
Now the question is - who were these others.
Think about it.
I know - but do you? |
| Jodido
User ID: 17974
11/17/2008 5:19 PM | | Re: God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible??? | Quote |
That leads me back to the walking the dog thing. Ya see, if you try and deny a part of yourself, it doesn't just go away. You may deny that you have 5 fingers, that doesn't mean the finger is not there. So, if you try to deny a part of yourself, instead of accepting it, and even loving it, it will (WILL) come out in more adverse ways.
If you do not walk your dog, it will go on the rug.
Was it not Edgar Cayce that said to be enlightened one has to make peace with oneself? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 426194
11/17/2008 5:19 PM | | Re: God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible??? | Quote |
I have my own ideas about god; lets just say my own interpretation. But it does take some things literally. For instance, I think Man is in the image of god. Take the pineal gland. I am a believer in the veil of ignorance. But integral to that is a belief in the free will of Man.
I do not remember where I heard this. I always though the Bible said it; in Genesis somewhere. But, I asked a pastor today, and he said its not in the Bible. This pastor is fresh out of seminary, so he should know.
Its a big thing; where did I hear it? Who came up with it? Is it a lie?
What is Man, then; on probation?
We are i quarantine. The knowledge of "Good and Evil" very similar to Free will. We get to choose which side to be on.
But my thing is that humans are dual in nature. Therefore, I see it is a human's 'mission' to intergrate the two opposing parts, to form an intregal whole. So, I am kinda against thoughts which serve to keep it seperated. Like going to church; it seems duality is drilled into you...
I say rise above duality; god is one.... Quoting: Jodido
Can you get that line of thought from the Bible?
Not sure about that. The "god is one" comprised of both good and evil - or better, "there are no absolutes" theory is not really in line with scripture... |
| Uh, OK
User ID: 385444
11/17/2008 5:23 PM | | Re: God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible??? | Quote |
I have my own ideas about god; lets just say my own interpretation. But it does take some things literally. For instance, I think Man is in the image of god. Take the pineal gland. I am a believer in the veil of ignorance. But integral to that is a belief in the free will of Man.
I do not remember where I heard this. I always though the Bible said it; in Genesis somewhere. But, I asked a pastor today, and he said its not in the Bible. This pastor is fresh out of seminary, so he should know.
Its a big thing; where did I hear it? Who came up with it? Is it a lie?
What is Man, then; on probation? Quoting: Jodido
The fact that the pastor is fresh out of school does not make him an authority. It should, but if I were you I would read myself and be sure. |
| Jodido
User ID: 17974
11/17/2008 5:24 PM | | Re: God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible??? | Quote |
BUT
I have always been god curious. My upbringing was catholic and jewish (go figure), but the catholic side did not attend church on a regular basis. It was not drilled into me how to believe in god.
What I was always curious about was the concept of God; exactly who or what is that?
What is a god in the flesh?
Here is one idea. That this is a dream; we all exist in god's dream. We all go to sleep at night, and have our own dreams, but always wake up in god's dream. Therefore, a god in the flesh would be god appearing in his own dream. Maybe we all are. But I am thinking here of an individual, say a Jesus.
You look in a mirror, what do you see? You, right? Thats they way I see a god in the flesh is, one living in his/her own mirror.
Take a human, any human, now get everything, every thought, emotion, nuance, ect, out of that human. Get every last morsel. Now, take that and create reality out of it.
There may be a man living now that is god, and not even know it.
In my rainbow and the white light thing, I say that humanity, altogether, make up all the colors of the rainbow. A god in the flesh would be one that is all the colors of the rainbow, in one person.
We are made in the image of god. I take that to mean that we largely have all the colors within us, but maybe like focused.
>>We are made in the image of god<<
Reading that post made me think of something and i would like to point it out to you. Sometime you just have to stand back and take another look at something you thought you already knew.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Those verses are NOT telling you that we are made in God's image. Only one man was made in God's image and that was Jesus the Christ.
The rest of us were made in the image of the others (the ones referred to in OUR).
Now the question is - who were these others.
Think about it.
I know - but do you? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 553260
I have an idea. If Jeus was/is god in the flesh, then the human(oids) here are all aliens. The way I see it, a human's counterpart is a star, out there. The Man's counterpoint is our star....
Meaning I think this planet is a melting pot, like how the United States is a melting pot. And it is this way for a reason. Lets say that there is a war in the universe; the rebellious Satan is trying to take over. Well lets say this 'war' is being played out on Earth. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 426194
11/17/2008 5:24 PM | | Re: God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible??? | Quote |
That leads me back to the walking the dog thing. Ya see, if you try and deny a part of yourself, it doesn't just go away. You may deny that you have 5 fingers, that doesn't mean the finger is not there. So, if you try to deny a part of yourself, instead of accepting it, and even loving it, it will (WILL) come out in more adverse ways.
If you do not walk your dog, it will go on the rug.
Was it not Edgar Cayce that said to be enlightened one has to make peace with oneself? Quoting: Jodido
Ummmm...whatcha mean?
I don't deny that I HAVE a sinful nature. I just do my best not to INDULGE that sinful nature.
You redirect your dog away from sin/perversion of proper behavior to the righteous/proper behavior. You have the CHOICE to do the same with yourself. |
| Jodido
User ID: 17974
11/17/2008 5:25 PM | | Re: God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible??? | Quote |
But thank you; I have never looked seen those versus in such a light; but it meshes with what I think is going on.... |
| Jodido
User ID: 17974
11/17/2008 5:30 PM | | Re: God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible??? | Quote |
That leads me back to the walking the dog thing. Ya see, if you try and deny a part of yourself, it doesn't just go away. You may deny that you have 5 fingers, that doesn't mean the finger is not there. So, if you try to deny a part of yourself, instead of accepting it, and even loving it, it will (WILL) come out in more adverse ways.
If you do not walk your dog, it will go on the rug.
Was it not Edgar Cayce that said to be enlightened one has to make peace with oneself?
Ummmm...whatcha mean?
I don't deny that I HAVE a sinful nature. I just do my best not to INDULGE that sinful nature.
You redirect your dog away from sin/perversion of proper behavior to the righteous/proper behavior. You have the CHOICE to do the same with yourself. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 426194
Well, I don't believe in sin. I think we live in a kinda seperation, being in the rainbow, and not the white light. God being the white light. So, we are seperated from, say, the knowledge. But notice that the rainbow is god, just seperated out. Take the latin translation of the word sin...
I believe in maturity or imaturity...
I do not believe in original sin. I think what we are going thru, ie this learning of good & evil, is just a natural process; like the way a child goes thru puberty in becoming an adult. So, calling that child a sinner, or bad, just because that child is doing a natural thing, is unnatural...
Besides, who would want us to judge Gods creation as bad? For god created Man, right? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 553260
11/17/2008 5:30 PM | | Re: God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible??? | Quote |
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I have always been god curious. My upbringing was catholic and jewish (go figure), but the catholic side did not attend church on a regular basis. It was not drilled into me how to believe in god.
What I was always curious about was the concept of God; exactly who or what is that?
What is a god in the flesh?
Here is one idea. That this is a dream; we all exist in god's dream. We all go to sleep at night, and have our own dreams, but always wake up in god's dream. Therefore, a god in the flesh would be god appearing in his own dream. Maybe we all are. But I am thinking here of an individual, say a Jesus.
You look in a mirror, what do you see? You, right? Thats they way I see a god in the flesh is, one living in his/her own mirror.
Take a human, any human, now get everything, every thought, emotion, nuance, ect, out of that human. Get every last morsel. Now, take that and create reality out of it.
There may be a man living now that is god, and not even know it.
In my rainbow and the white light thing, I say that humanity, altogether, make up all the colors of the rainbow. A god in the flesh would be one that is all the colors of the rainbow, in one person.
We are made in the image of god. I take that to mean that we largely have all the colors within us, but maybe like focused.
>>We are made in the image of god<<
Reading that post made me think of something and i would like to point it out to you. Sometime you just have to stand back and take another look at something you thought you already knew.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Those verses are NOT telling you that we are made in God's image. Only one man was made in God's image and that was Jesus the Christ.
The rest of us were made in the image of the others (the ones referred to in OUR).
Now the question is - who were these others.
Think about it.
I know - but do you?
I have an idea. If Jeus was/is god in the flesh, then the human(oids) here are all aliens. The way I see it, a human's counterpart is a star, out there. The Man's counterpoint is our star....
Meaning I think this planet is a melting pot, like how the United States is a melting pot. And it is this way for a reason. Lets say that there is a war in the universe; the rebellious Satan is trying to take over. Well lets say this 'war' is being played out on Earth. Quoting: Jodido
You are on the right track but we are not aliens or humanoids. We are the )for lack of a better word 'the angels).
You first have to realize why we are here to begin with and then you will start to understand.
God was talking to the 'angels' in Genesis.
We are here to be tested. Some refused to be tested (Satan and the fallen ones) therefore they have no chance but we do and there is where the free will comes in.
We are born with out prior knowledge of the world that was - with a clean slate to decide who we will follow - God or satan. |
| Jodido
User ID: 17974
11/17/2008 5:31 PM | | Re: God gave Man free will. What; NOT in the Bible??? | Quote |
My thing about the dog is that, if you do not let the natural process happen, then it will happen in more perverse ways. Take pedophile Bishops, for instance. |
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