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Anonymous Coward User ID: 533607 United States 11/17/2008 02:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why am I supposed to believe it when people like Blavatsky, Alice Bailey, etc... claim to have the ability to channel? Occam's Razor suggests that they are, in fact, faking these abilities for their own self-serving interests. That recent fake alien channeler seems to support my theory. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 542303 United Kingdom 11/17/2008 02:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Rare photograph of Blavatsky posing with the spirits of the Mahatmas Kuthumi, Morya and Count St Germaine, who founded the Theosophical Society. [link to www.exopoliticsinstitute.org] (these spirits were visible only to the clairvoyant HPB when the photograph was taken). |
Xare User ID: 524883 United States 11/17/2008 02:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | faking these abilities for their own self-serving interests. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 533607You should question if her acts are totally self serving. Luciferians will tell you that they are Selfish people. But should you believe them ? What they do is for the Collective, its beyond selfishness. Almost Altruistic ! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 533607 United States 11/17/2008 02:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | much of her information is accurate Quoting: Anonymous Coward 509737whether it was given to her or "channelled" perhaps that's another way of protecting sources Regardless, trust becomes an issue. To protect sources is fine, just say you can not reveal them. For her to portray herself as having magical powers is a very suspicious way of getting across this information. |
A Concerned Canadian User ID: 548714 Canada 11/17/2008 02:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Rare photograph of Blavatsky posing with the spirits of the Mahatmas Kuthumi, Morya and Count St Germaine, who founded the Theosophical Society. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 542303[link to www.exopoliticsinstitute.org] (these spirits were visible only to the clairvoyant HPB when the photograph was taken). The dude on her left, my right. looks like he is giving the devil horns sign. |
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Frigg Stuyvesant User ID: 504969 United States 11/17/2008 02:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | faking these abilities for their own self-serving interests. Quoting: XareYou should question if her acts are totally self serving. Luciferians will tell you that they are Selfish people. But should you believe them ? What they do is for the Collective, its beyond selfishness. Almost Altruistic ! She was caught several times outright rigging seances.Caught! Thread: Anybody been to the Lucis Trust website? New members check it out There is plenty to ponder about your dubious selfless prophets on that thread.Read it if you feel like it and then come back and tell more about the collective good these types are up to. Genocide and Deicide(God kill)aren't even remotely altruistic.IMO Cui Bono? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 533607 United States 11/17/2008 02:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Rare photograph of Blavatsky posing with the spirits of the Mahatmas Kuthumi, Morya and Count St Germaine, who founded the Theosophical Society. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 542303[link to www.exopoliticsinstitute.org] (these spirits were visible only to the clairvoyant HPB when the photograph was taken). You mean, visibile only to the clairvoyant, and the camera, which was ruled by physical law, right? So were the spirits there in the flesh to be photographed? If so, why don't clairvoyants perform similar feats on live television? |
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Frigg Stuyvesant User ID: 504969 United States 11/17/2008 02:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Frigg, what is that picture? Got any sources or further reading that is more reliable than a glp thread? Although i admit it's an awesome thread. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 533607It was my thread and it is loaded with sources and quotes directly from the mouths of many of these "benevolent" types.A real eye opener! I ganked that pic off the Internet..It was so appropriate to many new age discussions..and it's creeepy.. P.S. I wouldn't share any HOT(dangerous)sources on the web.That would be irresponsible of me to say the least. Cui Bono? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 533607 United States 11/17/2008 03:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I guess it's hard for people to defend Blavatsky, but any takers? I'd love to hear some answers to my above questions. What's weird is that people can so easily overlook areas where she was wrong, or even dangerous, but accept the wackiest parts of her ideas, things like channeling and seances. I mean sure, it sounds fun, but would I believe in it when one of the early sources is HP Blavatsky? No. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 542303 United Kingdom 11/17/2008 03:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Rare photograph of Blavatsky posing with the spirits of the Mahatmas Kuthumi, Morya and Count St Germaine, who founded the Theosophical Society. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 533607[link to www.exopoliticsinstitute.org] (these spirits were visible only to the clairvoyant HPB when the photograph was taken). You mean, visibile only to the clairvoyant, and the camera, which was ruled by physical law, right? You may or may not be aware that people throughout the world have taken photos of friends and relatives where another figure appeared on the developed film that was not there at the time. This was a spirit (sometimes of a deceased relative). So were the spirits there in the flesh to be photographed? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 533607Yes. They posed for an audience of Theosophists. If so, why don't clairvoyants perform similar feats on live television? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 533607Because TV cameras do not usually record the images of spirits. Only cameras do. However, there are cases of spirits caught by CCTV because they presumably momentarily materialized. Why do they not perform? There are many reasons. Firstly, the bias of TV producers means they would not get invited in the first place! And there is REAL prejudice out there in TV land. Secondly, even genuine clairvoyants don't like putting themselves in a test situation where they might fail - especially under conditions where it is very improbable that the TV camera would detect the spirits they see around them. |
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Jdd User ID: 347452 Canada 11/17/2008 03:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can measure the degree to which Blavatsky's philosophy is "off" -- contrived, false, incorrect nonsense -- by comparing it to the sastra (scriptures) she claims it is based upon -- the Vedas. HPB took a spoonful of Absolute Truth, mixed it in with western concepts, and created her own little religion. If you want the 'straight sauce', go straight to the Vedas. Don't waste your time with anyone outside of the pure disciplic succession who is re-interpreting and re-packaging. The pure, unadulterated stuff is right there, easily accessible. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 542303 United Kingdom 11/17/2008 03:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nor was Blavatsky a liar. If you refer to the Hodgson Report, this was completely debunked and discredited. For example see: [link to www.theosociety.org] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 542303 United Kingdom 11/17/2008 03:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can measure the degree to which Blavatsky's philosophy is "off" -- contrived, false, incorrect nonsense -- by comparing it to the sastra (scriptures) she claims it is based upon -- the Vedas. HPB took a spoonful of Absolute Truth, mixed it in with western concepts, and created her own little religion. Quoting: JddNot at all. She related every religion. She did not mix Western concepts into it. Instead she related Western ideas to Eastern ideas. Your way of looking at her work is totally jaundiced and inaccurate. If you want the 'straight sauce', go straight to the Vedas. Don't waste your time with anyone outside of the pure disciplic succession who is re-interpreting and re-packaging. The pure, unadulterated stuff is right there, easily accessible. Quoting: JddSo it is in Theosophy. Only related to other religions as well. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 533607 United States 11/17/2008 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because TV cameras do not usually record the images of spirits. Only cameras do. However, there are cases of spirits caught by CCTV because they presumably momentarily materialized. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 542303Why do they not perform? There are many reasons. Firstly, the bias of TV producers means they would not get invited in the first place! And there is REAL prejudice out there in TV land. Secondly, even genuine clairvoyants don't like putting themselves in a test situation where they might fail - especially under conditions where it is very improbable that the TV camera would detect the spirits they see around them. I'm sure scientific tests have not been done to prove why they would appear on one type of film and not another, but I would be interested to know. Have you ever seen someone summon a spirit like this? Your argument about the tv producers holding back this knowledge is BS. We have YouTube now, and any given clairvoyant could summon and summon and summon again until they capture the image on a webcam or whatever device might work. Why aren't they doing this? I see two possibilities: one, they can not summon spirits. Two, they do not want to expose their powers, which makes them suspect to questions of why they would keep this proof hidden from scientists and people who could study and understand it. Feel free to tell me your experiences. I'd like to learn more. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 542303 United Kingdom 11/17/2008 03:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because TV cameras do not usually record the images of spirits. Only cameras do. However, there are cases of spirits caught by CCTV because they presumably momentarily materialized. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 533607Why do they not perform? There are many reasons. Firstly, the bias of TV producers means they would not get invited in the first place! And there is REAL prejudice out there in TV land. Secondly, even genuine clairvoyants don't like putting themselves in a test situation where they might fail - especially under conditions where it is very improbable that the TV camera would detect the spirits they see around them. I'm sure scientific tests have not been done to prove why they would appear on one type of film and not another, but I would be interested to know. Have you ever seen someone summon a spirit like this? Your argument about the tv producers holding back this knowledge is BS. No it is not. You are mixing TV with YouTube, which is not the same. You evidently don't know much about the prejudices towards the paranormal amongst TV producers. Well, I DO. We have YouTube now, and any given clairvoyant could summon and summon and summon again until they capture the image on a webcam or whatever device might work. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 533607It rarely works that way. You obviously know little about how clairvoyance works. It;s spontaneous and cannot be turned on and off. Why aren't they doing this? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 533607Because their clairvoyance is not something that have complete control over. I see two possibilities: one, they can not summon spirits. Two, they do not want to expose their powers, which makes them suspect to questions of why they would keep this proof hidden from scientists and people who could study and understand it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 533607Feel free to tell me your experiences. I'd like to learn more. Firstly, clairvoyants NEVER summon spirits. That's another misunderstanding. Secondly, from bitter experience with sceptics who will NEVER believe the evidence even when it stares them in the face, they know that it is simply not worth the trouble. Scientists CANNOT in principle understand clairvoyance because it is an ability that falls outside the scientific paradigm of reality. I speak as someone who is regarded in many parts of the world as the leading authority on a certain form of remote-viewing (three books published). |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 533607 United States 11/17/2008 05:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why not film each spontaneous session until you have footage? I still don't understand why I can't see this in a video right now if it works. As I said, anyone can upload a video to YouTube at any time. Someone believes that Blavatsky was able to do it in that photo, why isn't an entire session documented? Isn't the purpose of this information to bring knowledge and light into the world? How can this happen if the efforts and means are kept under wraps in an age where information can be shared so freely? Again, I would use Occam's Razor to deduce that Blavatsky isn't actually sitting with spirits in that picture, looks more like an effect. Until some real proof is provided for her "powers" my question remains: Why should I believe Blavatsky's claims about channeling knowledge and conducting seances without proof? Isn't this the same as believing that a man in the sky told people to write the Bible? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 542303 United Kingdom 11/17/2008 05:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to images.google.com] Notice how closely they match that in the rare photo over 100 years old that I posted earlier. If you argue than everyone of these psychic artists or clairvoyants saw that old pic and copied the face, then I will simply laugh at you. I enquired amongst senior Theosophists in Britain and the USA about the pic and they all said they had never seen it before. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 533607 United States 11/17/2008 05:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It took me a while to learn what a psychic portrait is. Those drawings do indeed look similar to the figure on the left. I am at a loss as to what this means though. Can you explain it to me? I don't think there is going to be any need for you to "laugh at me," unless you just want to be a dick. Also, if you would answer my questions from above I would appreciate it. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 533607 United States 11/17/2008 06:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, there is NO ONE willing to offer proof that Blavatsky was able to perform the acts she claimed, like channeling writings? I know her ideas were misconstrued by a bunch of violent fascists during WWII, but what is there that is good in these writings? Why do they survive and seem to inspire others? In what was is believing Blavatsky any different than having faith in God or Jesus? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 552568 United States 11/17/2008 08:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I really like her, enjoyed the stories and her books... I believe her 100%. No I ain't going to prove anything to people so sided. I do not care what you think. I like her and benefited very much from her works and her associates.. Prove it to yourself if you want, but no one can substantiate anything about a dead person..... so you will think you win...but you really lose ... for she brought new teachings to the world that may not have come other ways. I wished i could have met her and travled with her!!!!!!!!!! |
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