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Tryptamind (OP) User ID: 366812 Canada 11/18/2008 05:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I get the feeling from that that i'm kinda Schizo Quoting: Anonymous Coward 553599I think I need it though, I encourage it, if I can destroy my mind I can in some way destroy the world at least in how I perceive reality. Either I or the world has to die, I don't care which. I think this is a common trend now, people becoming more schizo... It's as if the last remaining self-aware humans are being converted towards shamanism/schizophrenia... quite peculiar. Interesting. See ya. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 553599 Australia 11/18/2008 05:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I get the feeling from that that i'm kinda Schizo Quoting: TryptamindI think I need it though, I encourage it, if I can destroy my mind I can in some way destroy the world at least in how I perceive reality. Either I or the world has to die, I don't care which. I think this is a common trend now, people becoming more schizo... It's as if the last remaining self-aware humans are being converted towards shamanism/schizophrenia... quite peculiar. Interesting. Not to downplay Schizophrenia, I realize it can be damaging (depending on your view point), but there's freedom to be found. Destroying every boundary, every wall, allows your mind to create. I think it's a natural reaction to our world. Some minds cannot/don't want to be boxed in to an unnatural system or order of being. Like comparing our rigid cities and lives to the ordered chaos in nature, being reflects chaos/nature, ego reflects structure and sterility. Ego conflicts with being, and being will win. |
V.A.L.I.S User ID: 523513 United States 11/18/2008 06:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt, and posted the experience on this board more than once, each time falling on deaf ears/ blind mind. Quoting: TryptamindCool. I'm not dissing your post, or what it says, it's just that it pisses me off, that people are willing to read a website or book written by some academic bod about something themselves or the writer have never experienced, but when they're faced with someone telling them they've experienced the real thing, you're met with either disbelief, jealousy or complete non interest, as you're obviously making it up! Maybe I should write a song about it I thought? but Trent Reznor beat me to it! ...................................................... I'm becoming less defined, as days go by Fading away, well you might say I'm losing focus Kind of drifting into the abstract in terms of how I see myself Sometimes, I think I can see right through myself Sometimes, I think I can see right through myself Sometimes, I can see right through myself Less concerned, about fitting into the world Your world that is, cause it doesn't really matter anymore (No, it doesn't really matter anymore) No, it doesn't really matter anymore None of this really matters anymore Yes, I am alone, but then again I always was As far back as I can tell, I think maybe it's because Because you were never really real to begin with I just made you up to hurt myself I just made you up to hurt myself Yeah, and I just made you up to hurt myself I just made you up to hurt myself Yeah, and I just made you up to hurt myself And it worked Yes it did! There is no you, there is only me! The tiniest little dot caught my eye And it turned out to be a scab And I had this funny feeling Like I just knew it's something bad I just couldn't leave it alone I kept picking at that scab It was a doorway trying to seal itself shut But I climbed through Now I'm somewhere I am not supposed to be And I can see things I know I really shouldn't see And now I know why now, now I know why Things aren't as pretty on the inside There is no you, there is only me (NiN....Only) |
Tryptamind (OP) User ID: 366812 Canada 11/18/2008 06:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt, and posted the experience on this board more than once, each time falling on deaf ears/ blind mind. Quoting: V.A.L.I.S 523513Cool. I'm not dissing your post, or what it says, it's just that it pisses me off, that people are willing to read a website or book written by some academic bod about something themselves or the writer have never experienced, but when they're faced with someone telling them they've experienced the real thing, you're met with either disbelief, jealousy or complete non interest, as you're obviously making it up! Maybe I should write a song about it I thought? but Trent Reznor beat me to it! ...................................................... I'm becoming less defined, as days go by Fading away, well you might say I'm losing focus Kind of drifting into the abstract in terms of how I see myself Sometimes, I think I can see right through myself Sometimes, I think I can see right through myself Sometimes, I can see right through myself Less concerned, about fitting into the world Your world that is, cause it doesn't really matter anymore (No, it doesn't really matter anymore) No, it doesn't really matter anymore None of this really matters anymore Yes, I am alone, but then again I always was As far back as I can tell, I think maybe it's because Because you were never really real to begin with I just made you up to hurt myself I just made you up to hurt myself Yeah, and I just made you up to hurt myself I just made you up to hurt myself Yeah, and I just made you up to hurt myself And it worked Yes it did! There is no you, there is only me! The tiniest little dot caught my eye And it turned out to be a scab And I had this funny feeling Like I just knew it's something bad I just couldn't leave it alone I kept picking at that scab It was a doorway trying to seal itself shut But I climbed through Now I'm somewhere I am not supposed to be And I can see things I know I really shouldn't see And now I know why now, now I know why Things aren't as pretty on the inside There is no you, there is only me (NiN....Only) Right. See ya. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 553619 United States 11/18/2008 06:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow, what utter bullshit. I'm training in shamanic practices right now and can tell you that it has nothing to do with schizophrenia. You train to become a shaman. Schiophrenia just happens to you. I've known both schizophrenics and shamans and let me tell you that there is a world of difference between them. Whomever wrote that article didn't have a clue. |
Tryptamind (OP) User ID: 366812 Canada 11/18/2008 06:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow, what utter bullshit. I'm training in shamanic practices right now and can tell you that it has nothing to do with schizophrenia. You train to become a shaman. Schiophrenia just happens to you. I've known both schizophrenics and shamans and let me tell you that there is a world of difference between them. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 553619Whomever wrote that article didn't have a clue. I doubt it. If you don't see the connection between Shamanism and modern day mental illness, you're a pretty crappy Shaman. I'm not saying I think everyone who's Schizophrenic is a Shaman, or that every Shaman is mentally ill... However... the chemicals circulating through a Schizophrenic brains are similar to Shamanic drugs... :) See ya. |
V.A.L.I.S User ID: 518986 United States 11/18/2008 06:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow, what utter bullshit. I'm training in shamanic practices right now and can tell you that it has nothing to do with schizophrenia. You train to become a shaman. Schiophrenia just happens to you. I've known both schizophrenics and shamans and let me tell you that there is a world of difference between them. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 553619Whomever wrote that article didn't have a clue. Training....lmao, a shaman= self appointed wise guy, there are those that strive for greatness, and those that have greatness thrust upon them, let me tell you from EXPERIENCE, the writer DOES have half a clue! Stop trying so hard, what you seek will only evade you the harder you try. Go and read some shit or kiss some guru ass! that should do it! ...LMAO :) |
Tryptamind (OP) User ID: 366812 Canada 11/18/2008 06:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow, what utter bullshit. I'm training in shamanic practices right now and can tell you that it has nothing to do with schizophrenia. You train to become a shaman. Schiophrenia just happens to you. I've known both schizophrenics and shamans and let me tell you that there is a world of difference between them. Quoting: V.A.L.I.S 518986Whomever wrote that article didn't have a clue. Training....lmao, a shaman= self appointed wise guy, there are those that strive for greatness, and those that have greatness thrust upon them, let me tell you from EXPERIENCE, the writer DOES have half a clue! Stop trying so hard, what you seek will only evade you the harder you try. Go and read some shit or kiss some guru ass! that should do it! ...LMAO :) Yeah... I don't think anyone "Trains" to become a shaman... lol... I doubt it's a choice... If you're genetically predisposed towards being a Shaman, i'm sure higher learning/training would be useful... But I very much doubt you can pick someone off the street and train him to become a Shaman. How the worlds first religion evolved (Shamanism) is probably deeply connected to modern day mental illness and spiritual herbs.... See ya. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 553599 Australia 11/18/2008 06:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To set me straight, could you compare Shamanism to a self-induced Schizophrenic break? Because that can be done without drugs (they certainly help speed it up though!) I've had that happen, or maybe I was always crazy, but I believe I consciously induced it through meditation and dying to self. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 523513 United States 11/18/2008 06:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The real deal Shaman would never label himself 'Shaman', the very act of doing so puts him/her one step further from his goal state of mind, to label yourself is an act of ego, the labels are attached to the real deals by 'other' people, not the man himself. So if you're training to 'become' a shaman, you'll never get there, you're on the path of the ego, you're further locking yourself into an earthbound state of mind/being. But, what do I know? I aint nothin'.....I'm everything ;) |
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Tryptamind (OP) User ID: 366812 Canada 11/18/2008 07:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The real deal Shaman would never label himself 'Shaman', the very act of doing so puts him/her one step further from his goal state of mind, to label yourself is an act of ego, the labels are attached to the real deals by 'other' people, not the man himself. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 523513So if you're training to 'become' a shaman, you'll never get there, you're on the path of the ego, you're further locking yourself into an earthbound state of mind/being. But, what do I know? I aint nothin'.....I'm everything ;) I don't think many shamans are even fully aware of what they're doing, I think intuition/precognition/Universal guidance is predominantly guiding their life path.... Real deal shamans probably don't even know they are shamans... See ya. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 465333 United States 11/18/2008 07:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah... I don't think anyone "Trains" to become a shaman... lol... I doubt it's a choice... If you're genetically predisposed towards being a Shaman, i'm sure higher learning/training would be useful... But I very much doubt you can pick someone off the street and train him to become a Shaman. Quoting: TryptamindFrom what I remember reading real facts about shamanism, shamans fall ill with a mysterious illness. Only then are they identified and initiated by others. |
Tryptamind (OP) User ID: 366812 Canada 11/18/2008 07:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah... I don't think anyone "Trains" to become a shaman... lol... I doubt it's a choice... If you're genetically predisposed towards being a Shaman, i'm sure higher learning/training would be useful... But I very much doubt you can pick someone off the street and train him to become a Shaman. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 465333From what I remember reading real facts about shamanism, shamans fall ill with a mysterious illness. Only then are they identified and initiated by others. Cool. See ya. |
argilla11 User ID: 512412 United States 11/18/2008 08:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Who proclaimed Medical Science as having all the answers? Allopathic Medical practise is a science and, as such, does not recognise the existence of a soul or extrasensory powers and abilities. When a Physician encounters something s/he can't completely catagorise, s/he is bound to fit it into their model somehow. Quite naturally it would appear as disease or other illness. I can understand why those who hold no belief in the soul, survival after death or extrasensory perception would view anything outside their model as another condition to deal with. I understand but I don't necessarily agree. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 375101 United States 11/18/2008 08:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Who proclaimed Medical Science as having all the answers? Quoting: argilla11Allopathic Medical practise is a science and, as such, does not recognise the existence of a soul or extrasensory powers and abilities. When a Physician encounters something s/he can't completely catagorise, s/he is bound to fit it into their model somehow. Quite naturally it would appear as disease or other illness. I can understand why those who hold no belief in the soul, survival after death or extrasensory perception would view anything outside their model as another condition to deal with. I understand but I don't necessarily agree. |
Tryptamind (OP) User ID: 366812 Canada 11/18/2008 08:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Who proclaimed Medical Science as having all the answers? Quoting: argilla11Allopathic Medical practise is a science and, as such, does not recognise the existence of a soul or extrasensory powers and abilities. When a Physician encounters something s/he can't completely catagorise, s/he is bound to fit it into their model somehow. Quite naturally it would appear as disease or other illness. I can understand why those who hold no belief in the soul, survival after death or extrasensory perception would view anything outside their model as another condition to deal with. I understand but I don't necessarily agree. The interesting paradox is that some Doctors rely on their ESP to diagnose & treat patients. Doctor's Inuition. Hmmm... See ya. |
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canislatrans User ID: 516342 United States 11/18/2008 02:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow, this article!! I have never read anything like this before, and it is pretty much the story of my fucking life! Just about everything discussed in this article currently pertains to me or has in the past. The way my mind operates, the signals I observe, etc. I think it is safe to say I am a schizophrenic, though never officially diagnosed or treated. I will keep it that way, I like who I am and drugs will only ruin that. This article is a great key to unlocking more of my shamanic practices, thank you very much. You have helped me more than you can understand. This ties together a few more pieces of the puzzle that I was eyeing suspiciously. ;) For the person above who said there is no link between shamanism and schizophrenia... perhaps not for you. Speak for yourself only. I practice shamanism as well and this pertains to me very much. And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music. |
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