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Howard Zinn: "I don't care if 9/11 was an inside job!"
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Yeah, Whatever 
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11/18/2008 7:23 PM
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[link to www.prisonplanet.com]
World renowned peace activist and left-wing anti-war icon Howard Zinn recently told an audience that he didn’t care if 9/11 was an inside job, echoing the disdainful and apathetic rhetoric of fellow liberal gatekeepers Noam Chomsky and Alexander Cockburn in dismissing the efforts of the 9/11 truth movement.
Buddy Moore, Independent Candidate for US Senate in Colorado, asked Zinn if he would join him in voicing doubts about the official 9/11 story and in particular the demolition of the twin towers and Building 7.
Zinn said he was skeptical of the official story but then stated, “I don’t know much about the situation and the truth is, I don’t care that much about it, that’s passed….that’s a diversion from what we really have to do,” adding that debating who was behind 9/11, “gets in the way of dealing with the immediate situation”.
Moore attempted to ask Zinn a follow up question about allowing the perpetrators to go free but was largely shouted down by Zinn’s fawning army of left-wing sycophants.
Zinn’s comments echo similar sentiments expressed by fellow left-wing luminary, Noam Chomsky, who has repeatedly expressed arrogance and contempt towards the 9/11 truth movement while invoking apathy towards the contention that there was government complicity in the attacks, despite the fact that the 9/11 attacks happening exactly as the government maintains was key to launching the invasions of both Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as the massive rollback in civil liberties that has occurred over the last seven years.
During a 2006 Internet forum event, Chomsky claimed that the 9/11 truth movement peddled “arcane and dubious theories” and had distracted activists from pursuing “crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC,” presumably belittling the deaths of around 2,000 Americans, along with hundreds of thousands of Afghanis and Iraqis, as well as thousands of U.S. troops in the wars that followed that could not have been launched without the pretext of 9/11.
When a critic asked Chomsky why he was so dismissive of the supposition that 9/11 was a false flag event, pointing out numerous other examples throughout history including the bombing of the Maine, the Gulf of Tonkin incident and Pearl Harbor, Chomsky merely reiterated his insolence, stating, “The concept of “false flag operation” is not a very serious one, in my opinion. None of the examples you describe, or any other in history, has even a remote resemblance to the alleged 9/11 conspiracy. I’d suggest that you look at each of them carefully.”
Chomsky actually dismissed U.S. government complicity in 9/11 a mere four months after the event, and over a year before it was again invoked as a reason to invade Iraq, when he told an audience at a FAIR event at New York’s Town Hall, 22 January 2002, “That’s an internet theory and it’s hopelessly implausible. Hopelessly implausible. So hopelessly implausible I don’t see any point in talking about it,” in response to a question about U.S. government foreknowledge.
Note that Professor Chomsky also vehemently maintains that Lee Harvey Oswald was the long gunman in the JFK assassination, even despite polls showing that around 80 per cent of the American public believe otherwise.
Chomsky was presented with convincing evidence for a wider plot by JFK assassination experts as far back as 1969 and according to Selwyn Bromberger, an MIT philosophy professor who had sit in on the discussion, Chomsky indicated that he believed there was a conspiracy, but has failed to voice his conclusion for nearly 40 years.
It’s painfully clear that the likes of Zinn and Chomsky are intellectual cowards who, despite being abundantly aware of the fact that both 9/11 and the JFK assassination represent far wider conspiracies than the official version of events dictates, they are afraid of using their prominent soapboxes to bring either subject to wider attention for fear of whatever reprisals might ensue. As Vincent Salandria enunciates, this makes them worse than disinformation agents.
“I agree that Professor Chomsky is not a CIA agent,” states Salandria, “But with respect to his pronouncements on the JFK assassination he is worse than a CIA agent. Without being an agent, with his enormous prestige as a thinker, as an independent radical, as a courageous man, he does the work of the agency.”
Indeed, at the time of the release of Oliver Stone’s JFK movie, Howard Zinn, Noam Chomsky and another liberal luminary, Alexander Cockburn, went on a seemingly orchestrated media campaign in an attempt to convince the public that the JFK assassination was not a wider conspiracy and also that it didn’t matter even if it was.
“When cornered themselves, Chomsky and Cockburn resort to rhetorical devices like exaggeration, sarcasm, and ridicule. In other words, they resort to propaganda and evasion,” notes one blogger.
The same rhetoric was utilized when questions about 9/11 reached a crescendo. Cockburn, Zinn and Chomsky not only dismiss clear evidence that the official story is demonstrably false, but in addition attempt to generate apathy around the whole issue, classic gatekeeper behavior in preventing the left from becoming active in pursuing the truth about 9/11. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 548848
11/18/2008 7:31 PM | | Re: Howard Zinn: "I don't care if 9/11 was an inside job!" | Quote |
Yeah it's fucked up. I wonder what it means. |
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ObeyTheOctopus
User ID: 452708
11/18/2008 7:33 PM
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Really though, he's kinda right. It's in the past.
"Buy the ticket, take the ride." |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 497757
11/18/2008 7:41 PM | | Re: Howard Zinn: "I don't care if 9/11 was an inside job!" | Quote |
Really though, he's kinda right. It's in the past. Quoting: ObeyTheOctopus
Those who forget the past, are bound to repeat it! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 548848
11/18/2008 7:41 PM | | Re: Howard Zinn: "I don't care if 9/11 was an inside job!" | Quote |
I suspect that Jews are frightened of and feel guilty about their functional role in a lot of what goes down in terms of corruption and intelligence, even if they had very little or no direct role in these scandals they nevertheless understand how it all depends on what they've built up culturally via religious networking. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 482097
11/18/2008 7:42 PM | | Re: Howard Zinn: "I don't care if 9/11 was an inside job!" | Quote |
they're just egotistical fruitcakes who want to remain as popular as they can, so shying away from controversy is one way of doing that...cowards
not to nitpick the article, but - "The same rhetoric was utilized when questions about 9/11 reached a crescendo."
- as a musician, it irks me when i see crescendo being used this way - it's incorrect...a crescendo is not the apex, it is the process leading to the apex |
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ObeyTheOctopus
User ID: 452708
11/18/2008 7:43 PM
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Those who forget the past, are bound to repeat it! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 497757
I'm not saying forget about it. I don't think he is either. I take it he means what can we do now, moving forward.
"Buy the ticket, take the ride." |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 553732
11/18/2008 7:47 PM | | Re: Howard Zinn: "I don't care if 9/11 was an inside job!" | Quote |
Really though, he's kinda right. It's in the past. Quoting: ObeyTheOctopus
Just keep repeating to yourself "it's in the past" "it's in the past" then eventually you will have utterly convinced yourself that it never even happened.
And that way you have ensured that the people really behind 9/11 have got away with murder, literally. |
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Yeah, Whatever
the same as it ever was...
User ID: 377738
11/18/2008 7:50 PM
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Those who forget the past, are bound to repeat it!
I'm not saying forget about it. I don't think he is either. I take it he means what can we do now, moving forward. Quoting: ObeyTheOctopus
What can we do now? Well, we could expose this government for what it is. We can stop if from happening again. We could bring to light the corruption that is running our country into the ground.
By taking the stance of "what can we do now, moving forward" you are only showing TPTB that they can continue to pull this crap and we will let them do it.
Just my two cents... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 548848
11/18/2008 7:51 PM | | Re: Howard Zinn: "I don't care if 9/11 was an inside job!" | Quote |
There was a nauseating show on PBS last night supporting the official story of the JFK assassination. I mean holy shit anyone interested in this subject can view JFK's autopsy photos online and see the fatal entrance wound on his right temple. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 283565
11/18/2008 7:54 PM | | Re: Howard Zinn: "I don't care if 9/11 was an inside job!" | Quote |
I know this: if our nation had listened to and considered the policy changes of both Zinn and Chomsky, 9/11 would never have happened to begin with, false flag or not. |
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ObeyTheOctopus
User ID: 452708
11/18/2008 7:55 PM
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I think we spend way too much time arguing amongst ourselves about silly details about how they pulled it off. Was it demolition, bombs, holographic planes etc etc. I think we need to be in the mentality of how do we move forward so we can formulate some ideas for what to do about it, not so much on the particulars of what went down. That's all I'm saying.
"Buy the ticket, take the ride." |
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Say It Loud
User ID: 554091
11/18/2008 7:58 PM | | Re: Howard Zinn: "I don't care if 9/11 was an inside job!" | Quote |
Really though, he's kinda right. It's in the past. Quoting: ObeyTheOctopus
How can anyone say or think that!
It isn't in the past for the children since born who will never know their fathers or the daughters who will never be walked down the aisles by their dads.
It isn't past for the women who will grow old without their soulmates.
It isn't past for the parents that lost a beloved child.
It isn't past to the neighborhood that has a giant hole in the ground where buildings used to be.
It isn't past to people who watched human beings jump out of burning buildings and hit the ground.
It isn't past to rescue workers who are dying from lung disease.
OMG. |
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Yeah, Whatever
the same as it ever was...
User ID: 377738
11/18/2008 8:00 PM
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I think we spend way too much time arguing amongst ourselves about silly details about how they pulled it off. Was it demolition, bombs, holographic planes etc etc. I think we need to be in the mentality of how do we move forward so we can formulate some ideas for what to do about it, not so much on the particulars of what went down. That's all I'm saying. Quoting: ObeyTheOctopus
So, are you saying that you consider the possibility that the government may have been responsible for 2,000+ innocent deaths and whatever the current toll is from the "war on terror" as just "silly details"? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 548848
11/19/2008 12:35 AM | | Re: Howard Zinn: "I don't care if 9/11 was an inside job!" | Quote |
Here's another hypothesis: Zinn and Chomsky probably believe it's only practical to work on the symptoms because the causes are too well-established and powerful to address. Their position is to make constructive criticism in the hope TPTB will actually give them consideration. |
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Benevolent Cannibal
User ID: 554061
11/19/2008 12:37 AM
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Leave it to AJ and PP to completely spin quotes for their own agenda
"A terrorist is someone who has a bomb but can’t afford an air force." William Blum
"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." D.D
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich." Napoleon
"If you can conceive of morality without god, why can you not conceive of society without government?" Peter Saint-André |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 482701
11/19/2008 12:41 AM | | Re: Howard Zinn: "I don't care if 9/11 was an inside job!" | Quote |
Really though, he's kinda right. It's in the past. Quoting: ObeyTheOctopus
What's the Statute of Limitations on murder? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 482701
11/19/2008 12:49 AM | | Re: Howard Zinn: "I don't care if 9/11 was an inside job!" | Quote |
I absolutely hate the expression " moving forward"!
How can we "move forward" without getting to the root of the truth of what happened? If we sweep it under the rug, like with JFK, and with Ford pardoning Nixon, so we could "move forward", and after Clinton dropping Iran-Contra, so we could "move forward". The only place we are moving is deeper into the fog. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 357364
11/19/2008 12:53 AM | | Re: Howard Zinn: "I don't care if 9/11 was an inside job!" | Quote |
I absolutely hate the expression " moving forward"!
How can we "move forward" without getting to the root of the truth of what happened? If we sweep it under the rug, like with JFK, and with Ford pardoning Nixon, so we could "move forward", and after Clinton dropping Iran-Contra, so we could "move forward". The only place we are moving is deeper into the fog. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 482701
Yeah, it's suck a fucking annoying expression, and the MSM uses it multiple times daily! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 548848
11/19/2008 12:57 AM | | Re: Howard Zinn: "I don't care if 9/11 was an inside job!" | Quote |
Their criticism without resolution is probably just a practical consideration. They know these crimes will never be resolved. The people who run the country are above the law. The concept of the nation-state is a farce, a pretense, a show for the sheeple. |
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Anonymous Coward
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11/19/2008 1:06 AM | | Re: Howard Zinn: "I don't care if 9/11 was an inside job!" | Quote |
Really though, he's kinda right. It's in the past. Quoting: ObeyTheOctopus
So is Jesus, so get over it !! |
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SwobyJ
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11/19/2008 1:10 AM | | Re: Howard Zinn: "I don't care if 9/11 was an inside job!" | Quote |
Here's another hypothesis: Zinn and Chomsky probably believe it's only practical to work on the symptoms because the causes are too well-established and powerful to address. Their position is to make constructive criticism in the hope TPTB will actually give them consideration. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 548848
Thank you. This is essentially my position on the matter. That and, if they became associated with 'Truthers' in and way, their credibility in academic circles would suddenly 'disappear'. |
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ObeyTheOctopus
User ID: 452708
11/19/2008 1:30 AM
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So, are you saying that you consider the possibility that the government may have been responsible for 2,000+ innocent deaths and whatever the current toll is from the "war on terror" as just "silly details"? Quoting: Yeah, Whatever
No I mean everybody has their own theories about what happened. We'll probably never know for sure because we are not in the club, just like the JFK assassination. We can argue about how it all went down until the day we die. It won't change a thing.
Look, I'm with you. I think our government not only knew it was going to happen, but conspired to make it happen. So, where does that leave us?
"Buy the ticket, take the ride." |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 558441
11/28/2008 3:16 PM | | Re: Howard Zinn: "I don't care if 9/11 was an inside job!" | Quote |
So, are you saying that you consider the possibility that the government may have been responsible for 2,000+ innocent deaths and whatever the current toll is from the "war on terror" as just "silly details"?
No I mean everybody has their own theories about what happened. We'll probably never know for sure because we are not in the club, just like the JFK assassination. We can argue about how it all went down until the day we die. It won't change a thing.
Look, I'm with you. I think our government not only knew it was going to happen, but conspired to make it happen. So, where does that leave us? Quoting: ObeyTheOctopus |
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bitchfromhell
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11/28/2008 3:36 PM | | Re: Howard Zinn: "I don't care if 9/11 was an inside job!" | Quote |
Really though, he's kinda right. It's in the past. Quoting: ObeyTheOctopus
Well, if that is the case, then why does it make a f*ck at all? Let's get the hell out of Iraq and Afghanistan after all, it is in the past. I like this forgive and forget idea, solves a lot of problems.
Who cares if our government attacked us as an excuse to attack someone else, who cares if another bigger attack is around the corner and now we are murdering innocents around the world, let us forgive the true culprits and live in peace.
American stupidity is killing America as we know it and I guess it is just as well. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 422773
11/28/2008 3:50 PM | | Re: Howard Zinn: "I don't care if 9/11 was an inside job!" | Quote |
So, are you saying that you consider the possibility that the government may have been responsible for 2,000+ innocent deaths and whatever the current toll is from the "war on terror" as just "silly details"?
No I mean everybody has their own theories about what happened. We'll probably never know for sure because we are not in the club, just like the JFK assassination. We can argue about how it all went down until the day we die. It won't change a thing.
Look, I'm with you. I think our government not only knew it was going to happen, but conspired to make it happen. So, where does that leave us? Quoting: ObeyTheOctopus
I know what your getting at OBO and I agree with you. The 9-11 info is out there and seeded and people can make up their own minds at this point. The subject matter has been beaten to death. If someone hasn't yet opened their eyes to the truth of what went down that day then it's highly unlikely they ever will.
Time and events are moving so fast now that we need to stay focused on the present moment. It doesn't mean you forget what happened just that you let it go and do everything in your power to never let them comitt an act like that again. |
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mt
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11/28/2008 4:14 PM | | Re: Howard Zinn: "I don't care if 9/11 was an inside job!" | Quote |
Zinn said he was skeptical of the official story but then stated, “I don’t know much about the situation and the truth is, I don’t care that much about it, that’s passed….that’s a diversion from what we really have to do,” adding that debating who was behind 9/11, “gets in the way of dealing with the immediate situation”. Quoting: Yeah, Whatever
yeah, obtaining justice for the victims would be a scandalous waste of our time -
leave all that trivia to somebody else who hasn't got higher matters to attend to
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 561165
11/28/2008 4:34 PM | | Re: Howard Zinn: "I don't care if 9/11 was an inside job!" | Quote |
Well, in one sense there is complicity but having minds chewing endlessly on protracted and erroneous ideas such as holographic planes is clearly a waste of energy when it's in the now that it all unfolds. Debating the issue does not make it any more real (complicity) unless something takes form as action, but who is capable in that regard. I think most people outside the US are aware of what has been done, although it ultimately takes a body in the US to really affect a change. And I can't see that happening.
Chomsky has a point in that as an anarchist it would take a change of social system rather than a change in govt or any superficial augmentation of the laws, etc. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 561196
11/28/2008 4:49 PM | | Re: Howard Zinn: "I don't care if 9/11 was an inside job!" | Quote |
Wow! - I used to think that '911 truthers' were all just cultural marxists using Gramscian tactics - but reading this thread - jeeze it seems as though there are actually a few people moronicaly stupid enough to actually believe in it! |
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zh
User ID: 272341
11/28/2008 4:52 PM | | Re: Howard Zinn: "I don't care if 9/11 was an inside job!" | Quote |
jeeze it seems as though there are actually a few people moronicaly stupid enough to actually believe in it! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 561196
moronically , moran
(titter)
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 422773
11/28/2008 6:48 PM | | Re: Howard Zinn: "I don't care if 9/11 was an inside job!" | Quote |
Wow! - I used to think that '911 truthers' were all just cultural marxists using Gramscian tactics - but reading this thread - jeeze it seems as though there are actually a few people moronicaly stupid enough to actually believe in it! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 561196
A few people? In parts like these your the one that's in the minority. Go crawl back into the hole you have stuck your head in the last 10 years. |
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