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NEW DELHI – An Indian naval vessel sank a suspected pirate "mother ship" in the Gulf of Aden and chased two attack boats into the night, officials said Wednesday, yet more violence in the lawless seas where brigands are becoming bolder and more violent.

Separate bands of pirates also seized a Thai ship with 16 crew members and an Iranian cargo vessel with a crew of 25 in the Gulf of Aden, where Somalia-based pirates appear to be attacking ships at will, said Noel Choong of the International Maritime Bureau's piracy reporting center in Malaysia.

"It's getting out of control," Choong said.

A multicoalition naval force has increased patrols in the region, and scored a rare success Tuesday when the Indian warship, operating off the coast of Oman, stopped a ship similar to a pirate vessel mentioned in numerous piracy bulletins. The Indian navy said the pirates fired on the INS Tabar after the officers asked it to stop to be searched.

"Pirates were seen roaming on the upper deck of this vessel with guns and rocket propelled grenade launchers," said a statement from the Indian navy. Indian forces fired back, sparking fires and a series of onboard blasts — possibly due to exploding ammunition — and destroying the ship.

They chased one of two speedboats that had been shadowing the larger ship, and which fled when it sank. One was later found abandoned. The other escaped, according to the statement.

Larger "mother ships" are often used to take gangs of pirates and smaller attack boats into deep water, and can be used as mobile bases to attack merchant vessels.

Last week, Indian navy commandos operating from a warship foiled a pirate attempt to hijack a ship in the Gulf of Aden. The navy said an armed helicopter with marine commandos prevented the pirates from boarding and hijacking the Indian merchant vessel.

Tuesday incidents raised to eight the number of ships hijacked this week alone, he said. Since the beginning of the year, 39 ships have been hijacked in the Gulf of Aden, out of 95 attacked.

"There is no firm deterrent, that's why the pirate attacks are continuing," Choong said. "The criminal activities are flourishing because the risks are low and the rewards are extremely high."

The pirates used to mainly roam the waters off the Somali coast, but now they have spread in every direction and are targeting ships farther at sea, according to Choong.

He said 17 vessels remain in the hands of pirates along with more than 300 crew members, including a Ukrainian ship loaded with weapons and a Saudi Arabian supertanker carrying $100 million in crude.

The supertanker, the MV Sirius Star, was anchored Tuesday close to Harardhere, the main pirates' den on the Somali coast, with a full load of 2 million barrels of oil and 25 crew members.

Asked about reports that a ransom had been demanded, Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal said Wednesday that the owners of the tanker "are negotiating on the issue." He did not elaborate.

He said, "We do not like to negotiate with pirates, terrorists or hijackers." But he said the owners of the tanker are "the final arbiter" on the issue.

Saudi Arabia, the world's leading oil producer, has condemned the hijacking and said it will join the international fight against piracy.

Despite the stepped-up patrols, the attacks have continued unabated off Somalia, which is caught up in an Islamic insurgency and has had no functioning government since 1991. Pirates have generally released ships they have seized after ransoms are paid.

NATO has three warships in the Gulf of Aden and the U.S. Navy's Bahrain-based 5th Fleet also has ships in the region.

But U.S. Navy Commander Jane Campbell of the 5th Fleet said naval patrols simply cannot prevent attacks given the vastness of the sea and the 21,000 vessels passing through the Gulf of Aden every year.

"Given the size of the area and given the fact that we do not have naval assets — either ships or airplanes — to be everywhere with every single ship" it would be virtually impossible to prevent every attack, she said.

The Gulf of Aden connects to the Red Sea, which in turn is linked to the Mediterranean by the Suez Canal. The route is thousands of miles (kilometers) and many days shorter than going around the Cape of Good Hope off the southern tip of Africa.

The Thai boat, which was flying a flag from the tiny Pacific nation of Kiribati but operated out of Thailand, made a distress call as it was being chased by pirates in two speedboats but the phone connection was cut off midway.

Wicharn Sirichaiekawat, manager of Sirichai Fisheries Co., Ltd. told The Associated Press that the ship, the "Ekawat Nava 5," was headed from Oman to Yemen to deliver fishing equipment.

"We have not heard from them since so we don't know what the demands are," Wicharn said. "We have informed the families of the crew but right now, we don't have much more information to give them either."

Later in the day, Thai Foreign Ministry deputy spokesman Voradet Veeravekin told The Associated Press that Thai officials in Kenya were trying to make contact with the vessel.

"Based on previous cases, we believe they were held for ransom. We are optimistic that we will be able to negotiate for their release once we can contact the ship," he said.

Of the 16 crew members, Wicharn said 15 are Thai and one is Cambodian.

The Iranian carrier was flying a Hong Kong flag but operated by the Islamic Republic of Iran Shipping Lines.

On Tuesday, a major Norwegian shipping group, Odfjell SE, ordered its more than 90 tankers to sail around Africa rather than use the Suez Canal after the seizure of the Saudi tanker Saturday.

"We will no longer expose our crew to the risk of being hijacked and held for ransom by pirates in the Gulf of Aden," said Terje Storeng, Odfjell's president and chief executive.
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The Black Pearl??????
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this has been going on for years, like hundreds of years, and all of a sudden, it is all over the news

why?
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These pirates do not seem very smart.
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this has been going on for years, like hundreds of years, and all of a sudden, it is all over the news

why?
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Because some pirates just took over a supertanker
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this has been going on for years, like hundreds of years, and all of a sudden, it is all over the news

why?
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distraction from the real piracy that is going on
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i say torpedo the tanker.... let lloyds pay off the policy, the port burns and the buccaneers learn that there are consequences for brigandry......paying them will never do anything but encourage the practice....
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i say torpedo the tanker.... let lloyds pay off the policy, the port burns and the buccaneers learn that there are consequences for brigandry......paying them will never do anything but encourage the practice....
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Nah just send a seal team and let them have some fun.
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i say torpedo the tanker.... let lloyds pay off the policy, the port burns and the buccaneers learn that there are consequences for brigandry......paying them will never do anything but encourage the practice....
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solution is to bomb all Somalian ports and related fuel facilities near them.
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and when I say bomb I mean to the ground
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this has been going on for years, like hundreds of years, and all of a sudden, it is all over the news

why?
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The oil tanker was the largest ship ever to be seized by pirates.
The Ukrainian ship was carrying 33 T-72 tanks which cast a light on international arms smuggling. The tanks were ostensibly for Kenya. This puts that country in violation of a treaty designed to give transparency to arms trading. It is suspected that the tanks were destined for Southern Sudan in violation of a peace treaty there.
The pirates probably don't have the port facilities to offload the tanks, but there were probably a lot of small arms and ammo to be looted.
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These pirates do not seem very smart.
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They have to do something for a living. There are no greeter jobs available at a local Walmart.
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These pirates do not seem very smart.


They have to do something for a living. There are no jobs available at a local Walmart.
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nobody has thought about 'hey, why hasn't the us navy been putting a stop to these bitch ass pirates'?
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Back in the 70's crews would just hijack their own ships and sail them into well equipped Lebanese ports for unloading.

It's not NATO's job to fight pirates. The shipping companies should ask Liberia to do something. It's their flag being attacked.
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nobody has thought about 'hey, why hasn't the us navy been putting a stop to these bitch ass pirates'?
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You try finding a small boat in the middle of the ocean.
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nobody has thought about 'hey, why hasn't the us navy been putting a stop to these bitch ass pirates'?
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Could be a desire to build consensus for another war and take focus off the idiots in Congress/Treasury Dept.

However, don't know how we can afford more war.
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nobody has thought about 'hey, why hasn't the us navy been putting a stop to these bitch ass pirates'?


You try finding a small boat in the middle of the ocean.
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nobody has thought about 'hey, why hasn't the us navy been putting a stop to these bitch ass pirates'?


You try finding a small boat in the middle of the ocean.
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guess it is just a matter of provocation. we shouldn't wait for these ass hats to Mossad us again like what happened to the USS Cole.
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nobody has thought about 'hey, why hasn't the us navy been putting a stop to these bitch ass pirates'?


You try finding a small boat in the middle of the ocean.



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I am not so sure they can pick up the boats the pirates are using. Most of these morons are in run down small ships.
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or the Liberty for that matter
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Send in the Liberian special forces!


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nobody has thought about 'hey, why hasn't the us navy been putting a stop to these bitch ass pirates'?
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they tried.... way back in the early 19th century.... "the shores of tripoli" in the jarhead anthem is a reference to our campaign against "the barbary pirates"..... piracy is rampant in every ocean on the planet.... conventional forces can never stop it....
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i say torpedo the tanker.... let lloyds pay off the policy, the port burns and the buccaneers learn that there are consequences for brigandry......paying them will never do anything but encourage the practice....


Nah just send a seal team and let them have some fun.
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The united states has no "dog in this fight". There are no large U.S. Flagged merchant ships.

Most, big ships Fly Liberian or Panamanian Flags, (my understanding the fees are low.) and the promise of protection also low. Think about that before you're next disney cruise.

In the case of the saudi tanker "sirius star" I heard it is a saudi owned ship, nationally flagged by saudi arabia.

there is absolutely no reason for the US to give a crap.
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nobody has thought about 'hey, why hasn't the us navy been putting a stop to these bitch ass pirates'?

they tried.... way back in the early 19th century.... "the shores of tripoli" in the jarhead anthem is a reference to our campaign against "the barbary pirates"..... piracy is rampant in every ocean on the planet.... conventional forces can never stop it....
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Well I think the real issue is that for some reason they don't seem to bother ships flying the American flag.

At least I haven't seen any accounts of it in recent articles.

Could it be the pirates don't want the US Navy coming after them?

It is no secret where the pirates are based or where they take the ships that are held for ransom.
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ah hell, the more i think about it the more i think, good for the pirates! they are not exactly screwing the working class, like the corporate pirates have been doing to us for years

we need some land pirates for all those armored trucks running around
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'civilised' PC policing actions are as unsuitable for this type of offense as they are against terrorism - both notably Islamic activities.
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OK - enough is enough !
Pirates have to make a living too - OK !
If these guy's can seize a ship the size of an aircraft carrier, It leaves alot to be said of these people that call themseves gangs in Europe and America! Week knee'd wankers!
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this has been going on for years, like hundreds of years, and all of a sudden, it is all over the news

why?

The oil tanker was the largest ship ever to be seized by pirates.
The Ukrainian ship was carrying 33 T-72 tanks which cast a light on international arms smuggling. The tanks were ostensibly for Kenya. This puts that country in violation of a treaty designed to give transparency to arms trading. It is suspected that the tanks were destined for Southern Sudan in violation of a peace treaty there.
The pirates probably don't have the port facilities to offload the tanks, but there were probably a lot of small arms and ammo to be looted.
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