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Any experience with pain meds for osteoarthritis of the knee?

 
unclereggie
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Any experience with pain meds for osteoarthritis of the knee?
My knee is fully involved and at some point will need a total knee replacement - only 55 so doctor says it should wait if possible. Had orthoscopic surgery to trim away damaged cartilage and remove bone chips.

Current pain meds are nambumeton 750 mg twice daily and tramadol 50 mg every 6 hours. Ain't hacking it. Knee aches pretty much constantly. Cannot be on my feet for more than 3 hours or so at a time. Not supposed to, but been supplementing with acetaminophen.

Not looking for medical advice - have a doctor for that. Just looking for information about pain meds that actually work from anyone in a similar situation.

Thanks for any info.
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Re: Any experience with pain meds for osteoarthritis of the knee?
I know a bit about pain control without meds.

Give this a try, or another Low level laser light therapy device.

These are very well researched and used outside of western medicine,

that's because they work and the pharmacutical companies have little power in

other countries.

Good luck!



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Re: Any experience with pain meds for osteoarthritis of the knee?
I know a bit about pain control without meds.

Give this a try, or another Low level laser light therapy device.

These are very well researched and used outside of western medicine,

that's because they work and the pharmacutical companies have little power in

other countries.

Good luck!



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Thanks, I will research this.
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Re: Any experience with pain meds for osteoarthritis of the knee?
Have you seen a Rheumatologist yet? I have a condition called Psoriatic Arthritis, which means all my joints are under attack from my immune system. I see a MD in Denver, the Denver Arthritis Clinic and get monthly chemo there and it seems to stop temporarily the extreme joint pain and swelling. I also take Glucosamine and Chondroitin. Good Luck I know how crippling the pain can be, and depressing too. I hope you find something that works hf
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Re: Any experience with pain meds for osteoarthritis of the knee?
Have you seen a Rheumatologist yet? I have a condition called Psoriatic Arthritis, which means all my joints are under attack from my immune system. I see a MD in Denver, the Denver Arthritis Clinic and get monthly chemo there and it seems to stop temporarily the extreme joint pain and swelling. I also take Glucosamine and Chondroitin. Good Luck I know how crippling the pain can be, and depressing too. I hope you find something that works hf
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No, no Rheumatologist yet. Thatnks for the info and good luck back at you.
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Re: Any experience with pain meds for osteoarthritis of the knee?
I had a right knee replacement and guess what? It does not eliminate the pain. The doctors do not tell you this ~ that the pain is still there.

I've decided NOT to go for a knee replacement on the other knee ~ and what I've learned is... how to just live with the pain.

Once I accepted it, then I can deal with it. I refuse to take prescription Big Pharma meds. If it bites too bad, then I take Excedrin.

It's all up to you, OP... and your level of pain tolerance.

Blessings,
Wasayo
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Re: Any experience with pain meds for osteoarthritis of the knee?
I know what works for me, though I havn't take it for about 5 years. I'm about to start again.

Collagen.

I think I'm going to buy it here: [link to www.amermed.com]

That is a great price. When I first started taking it, I was getting liquid (natures sunshine) and paying $30.00 per bottle, which lasted 1 month.

I wasn't taking it for joint health, but to lose weight. Well, anyway, I could hardly make it up stairs and one day, my son noticed I was going up and down like a young thing.

I had had scope surgery on both knees in the past. My surgeon said that I would have to have knee replacements some day, and that was at least 20 years ago.

It builds cartilage. My neck is giving me problems and an x-ray showed almost bone on bone some places. Needless to say, I'm going back on Collegen. It works for me.
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Oops....I had been having a hard time getting up the steps but after collagen, went up and down without having to hang on to the banister.

Sorry, OP, I just read your complete post and I see you don't want 'home remedies'...

Sorry about that, but it worked for me!
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Re: Any experience with pain meds for osteoarthritis of the knee?
found this for a family member 6 years ago now, now two of them take it as it works for both

[link to www.purityproducts.com]

a bit costly when not covered by insurance

here is what I do know

- pain went away in the first 2 weeks (previously on pain meds, chondroitin and some other stuff)
- better elimination
- better skin
- better eye sight

double the dose in the first week to get you there quicker

I hope it works for you as I know pain can be such a life limiter
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Have you seen a Rheumatologist yet? I have a condition called Psoriatic Arthritis, which means all my joints are under attack from my immune system. I see a MD in Denver, the Denver Arthritis Clinic and get monthly chemo there and it seems to stop temporarily the extreme joint pain and swelling. I also take Glucosamine and Chondroitin. Good Luck I know how crippling the pain can be, and depressing too. I hope you find something that works hf
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AC, you'd better get your PH where it should be. Apple Cider Vinegar is suppose to do it...get organic.

I'm also drinking Kombucha tea.. google it for info
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Re: Any experience with pain meds for osteoarthritis of the knee?
There was a very interesting study done on people with moderate to severe osteoarthritis of the knee.

As for me, I have this problem too due to an old sports injury and was told to undergo surgery. I won't do this.

So far, I've been using topical ibuprofen and MSM. Am also looking into viscosupplements like SYNVISC.

Here's the information on that study:


Osteoarthritis of the knee is a degenerative disease that causes joint pain, stiffness, and decreased function. Arthroscopic surgery has been widely used to treat this disease.

The aim of this study was to evaluate the efficacy of arthroscopic surgery for the treatment of osteoarthritis.
Study Highlights

In this single-center, controlled trial, patients were randomly assigned to either surgical lavage and arthroscopic debridement together with optimized physical and medical therapy or to treatment with physical and medical therapy alone between January 1999 and August 2007.

Eligible patients were aged 18 years or older with idiopathic or secondary osteoarthritis of the knee with grade 2, 3, or 4 radiographic severity, as defined by the modified Kellgren-Lawrence classification.
Arthroscopic treatment was performed within 6 weeks after randomization, and physical and medical therapy followed 7 days after surgery.

For both groups, identical programs of physical therapy were provided for 1 hour once a week for 12 consecutive weeks. In addition, stepwise use of acetaminophen and nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs and intraarticular injection of hyaluronic acid were advised.

The primary outcome was the total WOMAC score (range, 0 - 2400; higher scores indicate more severe symptoms) at 2 years of follow-up. A 20% improvement in the total WOMAC score was considered clinically important.
Secondary outcomes included the SF-36 Physical Component Summary score (range, 0 - 100; higher scores indicate better quality of life).
92 patients were assigned to surgery; however, 6 did not undergo surgery. 86 patients were assigned to the control treatment of only physical and medical therapy.
Although the baseline characteristics of the groups were similar, patients assigned to surgery had slightly higher total WOMAC scores.

At 3 months, scores in the surgery group had improved to a greater extent than those in the control group, but there were no significant differences between the groups at any visits thereafter.

After 2 years, the mean WOMAC score for the surgery group was 874 ± 624 vs 897 ± 583 for the control group (absolute difference, −23 ± 605; 95% CI, −208 to 161; P = .22 after adjustment for baseline score and radiographic grade of disease severity).

No significant differences were observed between the treatment groups for any of the secondary outcome measures.
Specifically, patients assigned to arthroscopic surgery were no more likely to improve with respect to physical function, pain, or health-related quality of life than were those assigned to the control group.


[link to www.medscape.com]

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Re: Any experience with pain meds for osteoarthritis of the knee?
bicycle a few mile daily, and use Aleve.
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Re: Any experience with pain meds for osteoarthritis of the knee?
ROXANOL 20mg/ml Solution
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Try rubbing Australian Dream on it. For questions dial 1-888-600-4642.It has some interesting ingredients and really does take the edge off.Good luck! hf
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Re: Any experience with pain meds for osteoarthritis of the knee?
GF used gin!

She's had a replacement done and the pain IS a lot better. She can walk up and down steps and hils now. It was done about 6 months ago - not got full movement yet (looks as if it's adehesions due to the original injury and botched repair at the time). She may need some manipulation under local.

As for meds? Yeah! Keep off them as much as possible but if it's really bad you could try co-codimol.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Re: Any experience with pain meds for osteoarthritis of the knee?
Just to add, for every pound weight you take off it's about 2 pounds of load you take off the knee when it's moving and propelling you. Difficult when you aren't too mobile but try to shed those extra pounds.
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Re: Any experience with pain meds for osteoarthritis of the knee?
My knee is fully involved and at some point will need a total knee replacement - only 55 so doctor says it should wait if possible. Had orthoscopic surgery to trim away damaged cartilage and remove bone chips.

Current pain meds are nambumeton 750 mg twice daily and tramadol 50 mg every 6 hours. Ain't hacking it. Knee aches pretty much constantly. Cannot be on my feet for more than 3 hours or so at a time. Not supposed to, but been supplementing with acetaminophen.

Not looking for medical advice - have a doctor for that. Just looking for information about pain meds that actually work from anyone in a similar situation.

Thanks for any info.
 Quoting: unclereggie


Tramadol is the chemically manmade effort at Morphine without the euphoria!

Like methadone to heroin!

Tell your doctor to stop fucking about and dish out the morphine!!!
Fucking idiots think they know better, who cares if you get addicted, you're gonna die anyway, might as well be with a smile on ya face.
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Re: Any experience with pain meds for osteoarthritis of the knee?
I know a bit about pain control without meds.

Give this a try, or another Low level laser light therapy device.

These are very well researched and used outside of western medicine,

that's because they work and the pharmacutical companies have little power in

other countries.

Good luck!

Yep, this is correct. I have a bad hip and use light therapy for relief. It's amazingly simple but gives relief.



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You may want to check out "food grade diatomaceous earth". Its done wonders for my arthritis and joint pain.Actually gotten rid of it.Go to "earth-works.com". Very natural, very inexpensive,and it works on parasites and cleans out digestive tract and the colon.Please read the testimonials.I take tablespoon a day.I am pain free.Also "permaguard.com" for "food grade DE".Highly recommended. Peace.
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Re: Any experience with pain meds for osteoarthritis of the knee?
There was something posted in the sidebar here recently about pain being the cause of arthritis. It was an interesting read.
Stay away from the methotrexate/enbrel.
Tramdol is really bad and addictive and does crap for pain.
It takes about a month to get over the withdrawl from it.
I have heard of the gin cure, but it was golden rasins that you soak in gin, and eat 6-9 of them daily.
As far as narcotics, Suboxone© is an interesting drug, parts of it known as temegisic in the UK, and it has been tried for osteo-arthritis (with very good results), and it has been used "off-label", but the clinical trials are slow in coming.
You can buy pure cherry juice & that works too.
Anything with cherrys in it even black-cherry soda seems to help.
Those hot patches are great-have you tried them?
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[link to clinicaltrials.gov]

There are the clinical trials for Suboxone©

Also, on that site, you can find-out about trials for other drugs that are recruiting patients by searching with the name of your condition like, "osteoarthritis".
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Ultram.I haven't had to use it in a while. I think the spelling if right.
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Ultram.I haven't had to use it in a while. I think the spelling if right.
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ROXANOL 20mg/ml Solution
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This is Morphine Sulphate --Its the best-My dad takes it for a chronic problem

Tramadol IS generic ULTRAM
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I want to say thanks to all for the responses. I have been away most of the day and was not able to reply to each individually.

So thanks!
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Re: Any experience with pain meds for osteoarthritis of the knee?
Realize you asked for recommendations for pain meds, but my daughter has had 3 ACL replacements (2x same knee) and several other surgeries on her knees.

She takes the following and said it helps a great deal:

[link to www.mayoclinic.com]

Alternative medicine
Glucosamine and chondroitin. These substances, found naturally in cartilage, are also available as over-the-counter dietary supplements. Both may help relieve the pain of osteoarthritis of the knee in some people. One U.S. government-sponsored study found that although glucosamine and chondroitin aren't effective for everyone, a subgroup of people with moderate to severe arthritis pain reported relief from taking this combination supplement.

(Acupuncture was a suggestion included on the page, thought I'd throw it in there too)

Acupuncture. Research suggests that acupuncture may help relieve pain for some people. Traditional beliefs hold that acupuncture needles, accurately placed along meridians in the body, help to unblock the vital life force known as qi (pronounced "che"). Most medical experts believe that pain relief from acupuncture comes from the release of neurotransmitters and endorphins. If you'd like to try acupuncture, ask your doctor for a recommendation or check with the National Certification Commission for Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine or the American Academy of Medical Acupuncture, which is an organization of physicians with additional training in acupuncture.
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Re: Any experience with pain meds for osteoarthritis of the knee?
My knee is fully involved and at some point will need a total knee replacement - only 55 so doctor says it should wait if possible. Had orthoscopic surgery to trim away damaged cartilage and remove bone chips.

Current pain meds are nambumeton 750 mg twice daily and tramadol 50 mg every 6 hours. Ain't hacking it. Knee aches pretty much constantly. Cannot be on my feet for more than 3 hours or so at a time. Not supposed to, but been supplementing with acetaminophen.

Not looking for medical advice - have a doctor for that. Just looking for information about pain meds that actually work from anyone in a similar situation.

Thanks for any info.


Tramadol is the chemically manmade effort at Morphine without the euphoria!

Like methadone to heroin!

Tell your doctor to stop fucking about and dish out the morphine!!!
Fucking idiots think they know better, who cares if you get addicted, you're gonna die anyway, might as well be with a smile on ya face.
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This sounds just like me! Thanks for the boost. lmao
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Re: Any experience with pain meds for osteoarthritis of the knee?
You can buy pure cherry juice & that works too.
Anything with cherrys in it even black-cherry soda seems to help.
Those hot patches are great-have you tried them?
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This is absolutely correct. And pears as well. I grow both and they do help with inflamation. Thanks!

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