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The Mumbai Op was carried out firstly by Sangh Parivar / Hindutva / BJP. Attackers are linked to Hindu extremists not Pakistani Muslims though it will be no surprise if they produce some dead Pakistanis as evidence of involvement.
Two of the dead paramilitaries have English passports.
The big revelation of late is that many of the terror attacks India has suffered have in fact been False Flags by Hindu Extremists. Mumbai directly connects to Hemant Karkare head of ATS and the Malegaon Bombing investigation in which Karkare had discovered evidence of a highly evolved conspiracy by Hindu Extremists / Sangh Parivar in cordination with foreign intel ops involving many bombing and attacks in India which have been blamed on Muslims.
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Karkare’s response to a death threat ******
The ATS believed it had cracked the September 29 Malegaon bomb blast case, and about a month ago arrested Hindu extremists in a breakthrough that shocked the nation and added a new twist to the entire discourse on terror and religion.
But as the probe unravelled the alleged plot and the role of some Hindu leaders, the case got caught in the politics of terror and the ATS was at the centre of charges that it was being used as a tool to target the Sangh Parivar amid allegations of illegal detention and torture by some of the 11 arrested for the blast.
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[link to www.expressindia.com]
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Army-extremist link sparks concern
The arrest of two Indian army officers in a bomb attack that killed seven people could mean the upper echelons of the armed services have been infiltrated by Hindu extremists, analysts say.
[link to www.thenational.ae]
Sangh Parivar
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CIA, MOSSAD HAND BEHIND SANGH PARIVAR’S EXTREMISTS! - Rashtriya Sahara, Urdu Daily, Mumbai
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 519348
11/29/2008 7:24 PM | | Re: Mumbai Conspiracy | Quote |
Investigators *****
The Mumbai Op was carried out firstly by Sangh Parivar / Hindutva / BJP. Attackers are linked to Hindu extremists not Pakistani Muslims though it will be no surprise if they produce some dead Pakistanis as evidence of involvement.
Two of the dead paramilitaries have English passports.
The big revelation of late is that many of the terror attacks India has suffered have in fact been False Flags by Hindu Extremists. Mumbai directly connects to Hemant Karkare head of ATS and the Malegaon Bombing investigation in which Karkare had discovered evidence of a highly evolved conspiracy by Hindu Extremists / Sangh Parivar in cordination with foreign intel ops involving many bombing and attacks in India which have been blamed on Muslims.
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Karkare’s response to a death threat ******
The ATS believed it had cracked the September 29 Malegaon bomb blast case, and about a month ago arrested Hindu extremists in a breakthrough that shocked the nation and added a new twist to the entire discourse on terror and religion.
But as the probe unravelled the alleged plot and the role of some Hindu leaders, the case got caught in the politics of terror and the ATS was at the centre of charges that it was being used as a tool to target the Sangh Parivar amid allegations of illegal detention and torture by some of the 11 arrested for the blast.
MORE
[ link to www.expressindia.com]
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Army-extremist link sparks concern
The arrest of two Indian army officers in a bomb attack that killed seven people could mean the upper echelons of the armed services have been infiltrated by Hindu extremists, analysts say.
[ link to www.thenational.ae]
Sangh Parivar
[ link to en.wikipedia.org]
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CIA, MOSSAD HAND BEHIND SANGH PARIVAR’S EXTREMISTS! - Rashtriya Sahara, Urdu Daily, Mumbai
[ link to ghulammuhammed.wordpress.com]
Actually, Russian Spetznaz trained the islamic nutjobs, and yes they were British passport holding Pakistanis.
The AK-47s used were Russian manufactured (flash suppressor)
The RDX was Iranian.
Cell phones found in the Russian rubber boat had calls placed to the ISI headquarters.
Your conspiracy theory has just met my conspiracy theory.
THis was a Russian/Iranian job, not CIA/Mossad. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 90675 (OP)
11/29/2008 7:26 PM | | Re: Mumbai Conspiracy | Quote |
Investigators *****
The Mumbai Op was carried out firstly by Sangh Parivar / Hindutva / BJP. Attackers are linked to Hindu extremists not Pakistani Muslims though it will be no surprise if they produce some dead Pakistanis as evidence of involvement.
Two of the dead paramilitaries have English passports.
The big revelation of late is that many of the terror attacks India has suffered have in fact been False Flags by Hindu Extremists. Mumbai directly connects to Hemant Karkare head of ATS and the Malegaon Bombing investigation in which Karkare had discovered evidence of a highly evolved conspiracy by Hindu Extremists / Sangh Parivar in cordination with foreign intel ops involving many bombing and attacks in India which have been blamed on Muslims.
---------------------------
Karkare’s response to a death threat ******
The ATS believed it had cracked the September 29 Malegaon bomb blast case, and about a month ago arrested Hindu extremists in a breakthrough that shocked the nation and added a new twist to the entire discourse on terror and religion.
But as the probe unravelled the alleged plot and the role of some Hindu leaders, the case got caught in the politics of terror and the ATS was at the centre of charges that it was being used as a tool to target the Sangh Parivar amid allegations of illegal detention and torture by some of the 11 arrested for the blast.
MORE
[ link to www.expressindia.com]
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Army-extremist link sparks concern
The arrest of two Indian army officers in a bomb attack that killed seven people could mean the upper echelons of the armed services have been infiltrated by Hindu extremists, analysts say.
[ link to www.thenational.ae]
Sangh Parivar
[ link to en.wikipedia.org]
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CIA, MOSSAD HAND BEHIND SANGH PARIVAR’S EXTREMISTS! - Rashtriya Sahara, Urdu Daily, Mumbai
[ link to ghulammuhammed.wordpress.com]
Actually, Russian Spetznaz trained the islamic nutjobs, and yes they were British passport holding Pakistanis.
The AK-47s used were Russian manufactured (flash suppressor)
The RDX was Iranian.
Cell phones found in the Russian rubber boat had calls placed to the ISI headquarters.
Your conspiracy theory has just met my conspiracy theory.
THis was a Russian/Iranian job, not CIA/Mossad.
Is that an attempt at comedy? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 90675 (OP)
11/29/2008 7:28 PM | | Re: Mumbai Conspiracy | Quote |
Mumbai terrorist stand off is almost over. More than 200 civilians and about 20 police and army officials lost their lives. Taj Mahal palace, a symbol of India's business and commercial well being bears a ghostly look. The terror stricken populace slowly limp back to life. Will Mumbai be the same again? Will India be the same again?
There are talk in the media that the Mumbai terror attack is India's 9/11. The similiarities may be far fatched, but there are so many things that bears stark resemblances to each other. Both attacks are carried out apparently by muslim terrorist organisations. Both New York and Mumbai are commercial and business centers of the respective nations. Although the magnitude of the attacks may look dissimilar, the sheer psychological impact on the populace of both the nation and the world in general is comparable in dimension. 9/11 was an earth shattering event that unleashed a chain of reactions that changed the world irremediably, both inside the USA and around the world. And what about India's 9/11? It's very possible that the chain of reactions that followed the US 9/11 are likely to follow here as well. The leader of the opposition and a prime ministerial candidate of the Hindu right wing Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) has called for stringent anti terror laws. A patriot act may not be far behind.
That gives us a clue to who is going to benefit from these terror attacks. The BJP has been calling for new anti-terror laws ever since the Congress led UPA government repealed the much reviled Prevention of Terrorist Atrocities Act(POTA). The UPA repealed the law as there were many complaints, especially from minority communities that it has been used selectively to frame innocents from a particular community. In the aftermath of Mumbai terror attacks, a new terror law is imminent.
One other tragedy of the terrorist attack is that the chief of Anti
Terrorism Squad (ATS) of Mumbai, Hemant Karkare, lost his life to terrorist's bullets. He was a brave and upright official who was probing the link between Hindu fascist organisations and terror blasts in several parts of India. The ATS under Karkare had arrested a Hindu Sanyasin and an army Lt. Colonel. Several other retired army personnel and retired Intelligence Bureau officials were also named in the affair. Indian news papers had carried pictures of the Sanyasin sitting with the president of the BJP and the Madhya Pradesh Chief Minister Prithvi Raj Chauhan. Then came the startling revelation that the International General Secretary of Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP), had donated money to Abhinav Bharat the organisation that master minded the September 29 Malegaon blast. The investigation was reaching such a stage that more top functionaries of Sangh Parivar (a general denomination for the various Hindu supremascist organisations) were likely to be named. Now, that Karkare is gone, and the nations attention is turned elsewhere, the enquiry may face a slow death.
Yesterday, a hindu colleague (who is a level headed moderate man himself) text messaged me saying, 'you people will make us terrorists'. He was suggesting that Muslims and Christians (the minorities in India) will make the majority Hindus terrorists! This is another fall out of India's 9/11. To put it simply, the position of minorities in India, especially Muslims has become more precarious. India will be communally more divided. It will only strengthen the Hindutva forces and their political wing, BJP. India is going to polls next year. These blasts are going to weaken the ruling Congress and strengthen the BJP.
And then the big international picture. The 'War on Terror' has come to India! Even though Indian Muslims had been demonised by the Hindutva forces in India, it had only a local impact. They were not part of the bigger war on Muslims perpetrated by the Israel- Neocon promoted George W. Bush regime. Diplomatically also,India kept a safe distance from the US war on terror fearing the backlash of the strong domestic muslim population. Now with the Mumbai terror attacks they have come under the radar of the 'War on Terror.' Now that the Obama regime is intending to spread this war into Pakistan and expand its operation in Afghanistan, India could be a willing strategic partner in the region.
And now to the question that is on everybody's mind. Who did this dastardly act? Although, this is not the topic of this article and also it is for the investigation agencies to decide, and as I dont want to engage in wild guesses I can suggest only this much, those forces who destroyed the twin towers in New York might be behind the Mumbai terror attacks too. Whoever benefitted from 9/11 will benefit from the Mumbai terror attack internationally and the Hindutva forces will benefit from it locally.
[link to www.countercurrents.org] |
| Anonymous Coward
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11/29/2008 7:38 PM | | Re: Mumbai Conspiracy | Quote |
The idea was to castigate the Muslims using terror tactics and blame the militants and Pakistan for direct involvement. But the methodology used was terror against Muslims. Swami, Sadhvi and an Indian army officer who was commanding a unit in Kashmir were involved. It was the army officer who was providing the arsenal to terrorize the helpless Muslims staying in slums of Malegaon. The biggest disclosure was that it all happened because of those who preach Ram Rajjya in India.
But who are these Muslim victims? Aren’t they Indians?
Sordidly speaking it is a chilling reality!
Backdrop
When bomb blasts on the Samjhauta Express, a “friendship” train between Delhi and Lahore, killed 68 people mostly Pakistani passengers on February 17, 2007, many conspiracy theories made rounds at that time.
The Indian authorities even released ‘sketches of suspects’ after Samjhauta Express blasts suggesting Pakistan being the perpetrator for the incident while Indian media and officials were terming it an attempt by ISI.
The reaction was not different from that which had been shown in the past for every bomb blast within few minutes of such incidents without a shred of evidence. Similarly when in 2006 Malegaon town in the Nashik district of the Indian state of Maharashtra, located at some 290 km to the northeast of state capital Mumbai, was rattled by a series of bombings, the blame was being put on groups having links with Pakistan and Bangladesh.
The Maharashtra Police claimed that blasts are the handiwork of Student Islamic Movement of India most of the time linked by India with Lashkar-e-Taiba and ultimately with ISI.
But recently the arrest of 10 people, including a serving Lieutenant Colonel Prashad Srikant Purohit and a Hindu monk and nun for their alleged involvement in bomb explosions that killed six people in the Muslim-dominated town of Malegaon, this year had sent everything upside down.
Ten people, including a self-proclaimed Hindu seer and a serving lieutenant colonel, have so far been arrested for the Sep 29 bombing.
Besides Purohit, the other accused include Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur, Shivnarayan Singh Kalsangram, Shyam Bhawarlal Sahu, Major Ramesh Shivji Upadhyay (retd), Sameer Kulkarni, Rakesh Dattaram Dhavde and Ajay Rahirkar.
The suspicion is now directed towards the extremist Hindu movement Sangh Parivar while entire network is linked to another arrested former major Ramesh Upadhyay who represents the terrorist organisation Abhinav Bharat.
The chilling part of the entire episode is the involvement of accused Lt Col Purohit in bomb attack on the Samjhauta Express to which he confessed.
During investigation Col Purohit has also confessed to training Hindu terrorists for attacking Muslims, besides training them for attacking Samjhauta Express for which he had also supplied them RDX.
He further confessed that it was intended to cause armed conflict between Pakistan and India so that anti-Muslim passions could be nurtured in India, leading to violence.
The Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS) claimed that Purohit supplied RDX to one “Bhagwan” for Samjhauta Express blast.
Public prosecutor Ajay Misar said Abhinav Bharat’s treasurer Ajay Rahirkar had handed Rs2.5 lakh to Lt Col P S Purohit.
Mahant Amritanand Dev alias Dayanand Pandey, the self-styled pontiff who was arrested from Kanpur has revealed that it was under his instructions that Lt. Colonel Shrikant Purohit procured RDX from an army depot that was used in the Malegaon blast.
According to reports Pandey was present in all the pre-blast meetings in Bhopal, Jabalpur and Faridabad, monitored operations meticulously and was also responsible for arranging the finances that came in through illegal channels.
It is believed that Pandey, a dropout from the National Defence Academy, was in touch with two other accused who are on the run - Ramji Kalsangara, who allegedly planted the motorcycle owned by the Hindu ascetic Pragya Singh Thakur in Malegaon, and Sameer Dange.
The suspects are also questioned for May 2007 blast at Mecca Masjid in Hyderabad and the April 2006 twin blasts at New Delhi`s Jama Masjid.
In the Mecca Masjid blasts as many as 14 people were killed and over 50 injured. The case was investigated by the city police special wing and was later handed over to the Central Bureau of Investigation which could not come to any conclusion.
Investigations into the Samjhauta Express explosion and the Jama Masjid blast also failed to make headway and police could not across on any tangible leads.
Police have already established a strong link between Pandey and some of the suspects in the Kanpur blast case through surveillance. On Aug 24, two members of the right-wing Bajrang Dal were killed there while assembling bombs.
After the arrest of Panday police is expecting to get some breaking clues in the 2006 Nanded blasts in Maharashtra as well.
The arrests have reinforced growing suspicions over the last few years of a potential threat from Hindu extremists.
Interrogation of Major (retd.) Ramesh Upadhyay revealed that the Bhonsla Military School in Nashik was used as a training ground by the conspirators. The school has denied its involvement in the blast but it is under the scanner for allowing Bajrang Dal activists to hold training sessions in the use of arms and martial arts.
The school’s links to the RSS is an open secret as it was founded by B.S. Moonje, who was Savarkar’s close friend and who assisted in creating the RSS.
The arrest of the serving army officers and former officers’ link to the recent terror activities has led to a worrying aspect among the Indians that these revelations show how deep the infiltration of fundamentalist ideas into Indian army is.
The critics believe that the constant indoctrination of Hindutva ideology over decades by the VHP, the RSS, the Bajrang Dal and the BJP has resulted in this kind of violence.
Besides they are infiltrated into crucial areas like police force, army and the education departments.
Ram Punyani, secretary of the All India Secular Forum and a human rights activist, said that the deep and widespread ideological indoctrination began years ago but was propagated thoroughly during the National Democratic Alliance (NDA) regime.
It placed its members in the bureaucracy, particularly in the education department, and in the cultural arena, he said. “RSS people who once headed a department may have retired, but they have ensured that the damage continues, as they would have hired a number of like-minded people. So you can imagine how deep the penetration is. It will take generations to root this out,” said Punyani.
It is a well known fact that once George Fernandes had asked the army chief, the Air Marshal, and the Admiral to report the Kargil war to MPs. When the three went to the place it was the party office of BJP.
That is how the Saffron Brigade interferes in the affairs of the armed forces, directly.
The involvement of serving lieutenant colonel of the Indian army in blasts and supplying 60 kg of RDX for terrorism further casts a shadow over position of the army.
In the past BJP has been offering tickets to the former army officers, (many of them are former generals) for contesting elections for Lok Sabha on behalf of the party and to an extent it has been successful in wooing them.
One such retiree is the chief minister of Uttarakhand B C Khanduria retired Major General. Another retired officer Sabyasachi Bagchi who is member of BJP proudly says that RSS develops the character of the young people.
SS Raikar of Bhonsla military school is also a retired person from the army. He allowed the school premises for terror, hatching conspiracy as well as arms training and providing accommodation.
The former governor of Jammu and Kashmir Lt General (Rtd) S K Sinha has allegedly allowed Dyanand Padey to stay in the official residence.
Daynand Pandey was hosted by him in Raj Bhawan and the two had held a meeting in a famous temple in Kashmir.
Lt Col P S Purohit who provided RDX for Samjhota Train blasts and also being interrogated for other bomb blasts in India.
On September two, 2006, Indian police in Ahmednagar seized about 195 kg of cocktail of explosives that included RDX from a local scrap dealer Shankar Shelke which was procured by him from Army Ordnance decommissioned as scrap.
A mobile phone from which he had made over 150 calls was also recovered and during investigation it was found that he had got a cellular connection on a fake name.
However, before police could arrest him, Shelke allegedly committed suicide and his employee could not provide any detail about Shelke and the case was closed as a suicide with no further investigation.
Now the investigations about how RDX was pilfered to some right wing groups allegedly responsible for Malegaon explosions led to this forgotten case of suicide of Shankar Shelk.
Some leads are now emerging that the deadly RDX could have been pilfered during such decommissioning of scrap from the Army.
In the past the law enforcing agencies of India have failed to find out the origin of such explosive used in different blasts, specially in Maharashtra where Bajrang Dal had been imparting explosive and arms training to its activists.
Where money for Hindutva terror comes from????
ATS said that the money was generally collected by a self-styled religious leader hailing from Gujarat.
According to reports the probe into links of Hindu outfits, accused of terrorism, with Army men brought a few business houses under the scanner of Maharashtra`s ATS and Central Security agencies investigating the
finances of the group allegedly responsible for Malegaon blast.
Sources attached with the probe said that a religious leader from Southern Gujarat was one of those who collected funds from the business houses.
According to some other reports foreign funds were used in Malegaon attack.
But is also to be seen what is the source of these funds and how these funds end up in India, who are the end users?
Reportedly huge amounts of money collected in the US go into the accounts of VHP and other conglomerates of RSS. Sonal Shah and her father Ramesh have been in the core group of VHPA [America] and have been instrumental in sending fund under the name of Eklavya Vidyalaya for backward tribals.
It is also believed that finds collected from abroad by saffron brigade was used in the recent-anti Christian riots in Kanthamal of Orissa and other parts of India and in 2002 against the Muslims of Gujarat. The backward community of Charras was roped in by the RSS to wreak vengeance on the Muslims by slaughtering them. This confession is caught on camera.
There is no audit of this fund collected by saffron from US and western countries.
BJP lacks moral fiber, indulges in double talk.
The BJP connection:
With the surfacing of this connection between Army personnel, BJP and terror now the party is also under scanner. Sensing the gravity of the matter and possible questioning in connection with the Malegaon bombings, Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) MP Yogi Adityanath refused to assist in the investigations.
"I dare the police to arrest me and I will offer no help in their probe," he added.
The BJP and its allied Hindu extremist groups are also questioning the investigation and blamed that it was an attempt to malign these groups besides they also announced to defend Pragya Singh (Sadhvi) who has confessed her role in the bombing, and provide her legal help.
BJP Initially denied any association with Pragya Singh but later supported her.
Maharashtra Chief Minister Vilasrao Deshmukh also accused that those parties that once sought lethal POTA (Prevention of Terrorism Act) charges framed against suspects from minority communities were now asking the government to go easy on the Hindu right-wing extremists.
The probe after arrest of Sadhvi and Col Purohit led to Adityanath, the successor of Mahant Avaidyanath of the Gorakhpur Temple Trust, who is believed to be responsible for the BJP`s foothold in eastern Uttar Pradesh and also known for his Hindu awakening rallies.
He justified the attack on churches in Orissa following the killing of a Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) leader. "The Hindu reaction (after the killing of the priest) is justified and it is high time that the Hindus should pick up weapons just like our gods and goddesses adorn weapons," had said.
Adityanath has been active in reconverting other religious groups, particularly the low-caste converts to Christianity, back into the Hindu fold. In 2005, a large group of 1,800 people were converted in the town of Etah.
BJP’s Pakistan Phobia:
With emergence of Hindu terrorism, BJP which usually is not much fond of good relations with Pakistan, on November 19 said that Indian police probe into an army officer’s alleged role in the Samjhauta Express blasts among other terror attacks could harm talks with Pakistan.
BJP spokesman Ravi Shanker Prasad was quoted by Indian media as saying “The juvenile investigations would encourage jihadi elements in Pakistan and would have an effect on the talks between the two countries which are due in the last week of this month.”
“There is a risk of Pakistan seeking a review of all the terrorist attacks in which India had alleged a Pakistani hand”, he said adding “The morale of the Indian Army should be protected at all costs.”
“The ATS theory would give Pakistan an opportunity to prove that India is involved in sponsoring anti-Pakistan campaign on terror,” Mr Prasad said.
Reaction of Hindu religious leaders:
Now Hindu religious leaders are uniting and some of them met in Panipat on Sunday November 16th to form a Dharam Sangrakshan Samiti to defend the blast accused from the allegations leveled by the Maharashtra
Anti-Terrorism Squad. In Panipat, the Sangh Parivar demonstrated its united resolve to fight for those accused of terrorism. The Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) now plans to hold a massive rally of religious leaders on November 26 to demonstrate their support for the blast accused.
Reaction of the Hinduvta leaders (Excerpts)
There was a National debate in India as regards the new lights being thrown on the subject on Hindu terror being spread in India. This is the summary of the same.
When Hindu leaders are accused of killing innocent people and indulging in terror acts isn`t it time to do aatmachintan (introspection) just as they want the Muslin leaders to do when Muslim youths are accused of being involved in terror acts. Govindacharya (RSS) set the ball rolling by claiming that the government has been ignoring the Hindus and such terror acts only reflect the frustration in the society.
"Hindu Samaj has definitely done the aatmachintan and this kind of emotional outbursts are the result of such aatmachintan. There are two reasons: First when Hindu samaj (society) feels that there is no government that takes care of their interests and feelings then such outburst are a natural consequence though undesirable.
Similarly when the legitimate established organisations espousing the cause of Hindu society apply double standards to their own convictions and they are not honest about their concern of large section of Hindu society, then definitely the Hindus do the aatmachintan and the result is mushrooming of such outfits," Govindacharya said.
BJP President Rajnath Singh said that Hindu saints were being maligned and VHP`s Praveen Togadia says a Hindu can never be a terrorist, so isn`t it the same politics as what BJP accuses the Muslim politicians of.
“Gandhiji also said ‘politics without religious values is of no use to me`. He meant the Dharma. Dharma needs to be in politics otherwise it will become immoral” Singh argued.
Dipankar Gupta argued that BJP can never ever rid itself of its Hindutva agenda. "When you come down to the wire, the defining characteristic of the BJP is Hindutva. It can occasionally take on other issues as well like economic regeneration but everybody is talking about that. So what`s different about the BJP? The difference is Hindutva. So when push comes to shove, its Hindutva colours come out.
Conclusion
In a nutshell it is all chaos and confusion in India where bombs are being exploded anywhere and everywhere. The people are dying and the worst thing is that a bomb explosion does not see who is dying. He could be a Hindu or a Muslim. But then there are leaders who come in to make fast buck and get the political milieu. Politics could not have been so dirty but in India it has become. It is simply politics over the blood of the poor and the innocent i.e. children of lesser Gods.
Indian analysts are now worried about Hindu terrorism. Some of it has been on display for a long time against the Muslim community. Some of it is recent, targeting Christian missionaries and Christian converts. Because of the rise of Hindu fundamentalism in the 1980s, or a revival of old Hindu supremacist thinkers like Savarkar, who was behind the killing of Gandhi, India is now open to terrorism that is lashing out at the state.
It is high time India should take lead from the situation in her neighboring country where fundamentalists are on the rampage and blowing innocents into pieces.
Before it is too late to rootout Hindu Talibanization from Indian society, which is growing fast as Machiavelli said “By being on the spot one sees trouble at its birth and one can quickly remedy it; not being there one hears about it after it has grown and there is no longer any remedy.”
[link to www.paktribune.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 519348
11/29/2008 7:45 PM | | Re: Mumbai Conspiracy | Quote |
Is that an attempt at comedy? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 90675
Just the truth. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 90675 (OP)
11/29/2008 7:47 PM | | Re: Mumbai Conspiracy | Quote |
Is that an attempt at comedy?
Just the truth. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 519348
You don't know shit. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 519348
11/29/2008 7:51 PM | | Re: Mumbai Conspiracy | Quote |
You don't know shit. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 90675
The Muslim facist myth is more important than the obvious fact. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 90675 (OP)
11/29/2008 8:03 PM | | Re: Mumbai Conspiracy | Quote |
Name one way in which the Mumbai job benefits Pakistan who is struggling with a new government, lack of financing, and a near war with USA on it's afghan border as well as combating it's own extremist elements.
Yes as Pakistan is in the middle of a near crisis lets add new fuel to the fire with India.
That makes no sense whatsoever. It is the same flawed computing that says the Taliban and Iraq benefitted from 9/11. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 519348
11/29/2008 8:06 PM | | Re: Mumbai Conspiracy | Quote |
Is that an attempt at comedy?
Just the truth.
You don't know shit. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 90675
The job of an intelligence operative posting on this website is to plant disinformation and misinformation with just enough real information to give credibility to the incredible, so that the undereducated reader won't question it's truth.
The fact that the rifles had Russian flash suppressors, the perpatrators used Iranian urban combat tactics is evidence. |
| Raj
User ID: 563425
12/1/2008 5:09 AM | | Re: Mumbai Conspiracy | Quote |
Hey all,
Forget about all the info mentioned above, the official version of the story is that:
1. "terrorist activities started in 10 different places in
Mumbai Simultaneously"
2."9 "terrorist" are dead and 1 caught alive",
Now my question is if there were supposedly 3 "terrorist" in Taj and 3 in Oberoi, how the rest of the 4 "terrorist" were operating at 8 different places Simultaneously??????
Anyone would like to reply!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get your facts straight, open your eyesssssssss!!!!!! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 436143
12/1/2008 5:28 AM | | Re: Mumbai Conspiracy | Quote |
Not being there, I can only assume they had cell phones or two way radios. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 562428
12/1/2008 6:05 AM | | Re: Mumbai Conspiracy | Quote |
Name one way in which the Mumbai job benefits Pakistan who is struggling with a new government, lack of financing, and a near war with USA on it's afghan border as well as combating it's own extremist elements.
Yes as Pakistan is in the middle of a near crisis lets add new fuel to the fire with India.
That makes no sense whatsoever. It is the same flawed computing that says the Taliban and Iraq benefitted from 9/11. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 90675
Adding fuel to the fire is probably the idea - Al Qaida wants to destabilise Pakistan and do a taliban style take-over thus getting thier hands on the long sought nukes. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 550025
12/1/2008 6:13 AM | | Re: Mumbai Conspiracy | Quote |
Firstly, there's no such thing as an English passport. And even if there was it does not follow that the holders of those passports are 'English'. False documents are easily obtainable nowadays. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 564047
12/2/2008 1:34 AM | | Re: Mumbai Conspiracy | Quote |
Hey all,
Forget about all the info mentioned above, the official version of the story is that:
1. "terrorist activities started in 10 different places in
Mumbai Simultaneously"
2."9 "terrorist" are dead and 1 caught alive",
Now my question is if there were supposedly 3 "terrorist" in Taj and 3 in Oberoi, how the rest of the 4 "terrorist" were operating at 8 different places Simultaneously??????
Anyone would like to reply!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get your facts straight, open your eyesssssssss!!!!!! Quoting: Raj 563425
10 attacks started simultaneously??? - They were reported at different times and you have a sequence of events with the terrorists moving clearly in a vehicle from place to place.. and to top it all captured on TV .. while firing at reporters while on the run..
Why are you running into all these theories folks.. Lets wait to see what transpires.. There is one guy who is caught and there are going to be 12 government agencies looking into these, as all of them have lost their citizens.. Not everybody in the world is a sinner/fool ready to kill people for benefits.. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 569388
12/10/2008 2:40 AM | | Re: Mumbai Conspiracy | Quote |
Any clarifications on the thread on the wrist of the arrested terrorist?
Few questions that cross my mind:
1. Why would Muslims kill ATS chief Karkare when his investigations were absolving Muslims of all the alleged terror attacks?
2. How would you explained trained terrorists to leave behind clues like GPS, satellite phone and curiously 1 dead body for the police to find?
3. Why did the terrorist who was trained to "kill till the last breath", get caught alive?
4. Why is the US so keen on bringing the culprits to book when India had asked US to keep its nose out of the Indo-Pak issue?
5. Why is the Mumbai attack investigation conclusively based on the confessions of one terrorist why is not a narco-analysis being ordered?
6. I have observed more often than not, that an epoch making revelation is always followed by a major event that aims to serve as a diversion. The ATS investigation was a great cause for alarm for the perpatrators who feared the progress of the investigation would bring all the skeletons out. Swift end to the investigation was Karkare death. I was told by his (Karkare's) acquaintance that he was an honest and sincere officer. When will these false flag operations end? |
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