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I get quite worried over the prospect of dollar collapse, mass unemployment, transportation disruptions, etc. which we have all talked about here and are being discussed regularly in the mainstream news.

So far I have stockpiled quite a pantry of food, canned goods, dry goods, condiments, herbs and natural medicines, and supplies. And some water. The food is enough for several months, assuming I can cook it and get water.

I have a small tent and some tarps, and a stove and some propane. (I really don't think it will be practical for me to live in a tent city though.)

What else? I have some cash on hand.

I think my job is relatively secure, although not lucrative. Now if there was a major disruption in consumer credit, major disruption in currency, would any place stay in business?

I live in a smaller city which does not have a large minority population, although it has a fair amount of transients, would hate to see more homeless/panhandlers/street people/drug dealers etc than we already have . .
Some pretty scary ones come through here sometimes.

I don't think "bugging out" is any kind of option for me. I really have no place to go. I have a cat too, which was semi feral and is poorly socialized, and wouldn't move well at all. Sorry the cat is important. We saw what happened to abandoned pets after Katrina. I am not going to participate in anything like that. I do have some morals and integrity and they do extend to animals.

Here's what I am thinking are the missing pieces for me, I need to stay in better touch with friends and family, my family is far away, I have one relative who is closer who I should renew and deepen my relationship with. My friends are scattered or far away and some I have started to lose touch with. I would like to work on my relationships. I am lucky to have sterling co-workers, who I think are dependable in a crisis, almost like family members.

So, building relationships, seems like an important priority. I have a boyfriend, a very good relationship indeed, and a long established one, but we do not live close by each other, it is still almost qualifying as a long distance relationship (which has its strong points to recommend it, believe me). He is pretty clued into what's going on and has finally started to put some food aside too, and has an evacuation kit and a few camping things.

Neither one of us has a car.

I do not have a means of self defense. I do not know my neighbors very well, I live in an area of very high turnover rentals (students!). However they do all seem to be nice people, and I know one or two people on the block who are more long term. And the area has been getting more stable in the last year or two.

My bills are very low to match my income. My biggest asset is low overhead. I don't want to compromise that. Also I am settled here and hate the thought of abandoning the infrastructure of my apartment which I have struggled to build up since I moved cross country and started over with nothing.

Oh another thing I have going for me is a library of practical books, seriously, I have gardening books, food preserving books, natural medicine books, and sewing books like you wouldn't believe. Also seeds and tons of sewing stuff and fabric. Lots of herbs and supplements.

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On a less personal note, thinking about solutions in general for more people and for the long term, the only thing I have come up with that appeals to me is for a group of people to decide to all move to a small town, we keep hearing about small towns with population loss and boarded up main streets, what if an energetic and inspired bunch of people moved there, each independently of each other, not like a club or formal group, and each tried to contribute to the town, from their own skills and ideas, not from some preconcieved plan, but just because they live there now and they are who they are with what they have to offer, only now they have cooler neighbors, so that makes it easier, maybe.

in my imagination, it's like what if everyone I ever knew, the people I went to college with, old friends etc, current acquaintances all moved to the same vicinity, locality, just to be neighbors, not to join a cult or form a company, no heirarchy, just proximity . . .

????????????????????????

I know a lot about plants, that's for sure. I worked with them for years. I would be a good gardener if I had a place to garden. I do not want to live in a free standing house because of security concerns. I like apartment living and think of living over a storefront someday.

What kind of things have you done to prepare for hard times? What have you been thinking you could do more? What are your ideas for a long term solution for yourself and others, or for society?

Oh I forgot to say, one huge step, very important step that I already took, was to get out of the big city. That counts for a lot right there. Never looked back either.
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Store up provisions and bury two cargo containers from semi's 20 feet below the earth, use one for your provisions and the other for living space, check out an air intake or recycling system. Also store some gold for when it's time to come out. That's what I'm doing.
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IMO, the most important thing is to build a community, which is very difficult in today's climate, especially in an urban environment. Establish family ties, heal old wounds, etc. Make peace with yourself and others around you.

Remember, you can have all of the survival skills and supplies you want...but if you are unprepared mentally and emotionally it means nothing :)

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Shedding myself of fear, I'm pretty confident in my skills to adapt.

Other than that, not many others. Bought a bag of rice and a bit of water that I keep in my trunk, but I'm pretty stoked on end times.
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we keep hearing about small towns with population loss and boarded up main streets, what if an energetic and inspired bunch of people moved there, each independently of each other, not like a club or formal group, and each tried to contribute to the town, from their own skills and ideas, not from some preconcieved plan, but just because they live there now and they are who they are with what they have to offer,
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Hippie! Go join a commune. j/k
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I re-read my post and am thinking maybe "getting to know my neighbors" could be on my list of things to do?

Here's a question: So, you want to talk to your neighbors, who are strangers, about tough times ahead, and talk about provisions etc, how do you do that without violating the precept of never telling anyone you are stockpiling?
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we keep hearing about small towns with population loss and boarded up main streets, what if an energetic and inspired bunch of people moved there, each independently of each other, not like a club or formal group, and each tried to contribute to the town, from their own skills and ideas, not from some preconcieved plan, but just because they live there now and they are who they are with what they have to offer,
Hippie! Go join a commune. j/k
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I think theres actually going to be a lot of communes forming in the days to come. Not like the old hippy dippy ones though. Places where people really work hard to become self sustaining with little need to depend on an external gov't.

It's hard to say though. It all depends on how much this system breaks down and if major wars break out. There's definitly going to be some breakdowns in society. Were losing jobs each month at an alarming rate. Another few months or so at the rate we are going and we will begin to see some smaller communities breaking down from lack of tax funds.

The one sign I am looking for is when true bonified riots happen. Once you start seeing the people rioting in North America you know things have become very serious.
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we keep hearing about small towns with population loss and boarded up main streets, what if an energetic and inspired bunch of people moved there, each independently of each other, not like a club or formal group, and each tried to contribute to the town, from their own skills and ideas, not from some preconcieved plan, but just because they live there now and they are who they are with what they have to offer,
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Hippie! Go join a commune. j/k
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Ha ha, I know what you mean! Trouble is, the whole "hippie" thing, disgusts me! I was around and in the drug world for twenty solid years of my life, now, I hate drugs. I don't care what other people do, but I don't want to be around it, and I don't want to hear about it.

Also the "commune" idea, the word is all wrong for what I have in mind, the thing I most dread in life is a whole pack of people who agree with each other, or say they do, you know what I mean, some homogeneous group where everyone has the same set of preconcieved notions, same politics, same idea about how the universe works etc. How boring. And dangerous - I always think of those communist party meetings that people had to go to in Maoist China? Where everyone sat around and explained how thoroughly they believed in Mao's ideas, and how they denounced anyone who disagreed? Terrifying! I swear to god there are many, many people in the US who CAN'T WAIT to sign up for a society like that. They LIKE the idea of re-education camps. They WANT them. Don't get me started lol.

But seriously, it would be neat to have "better neighbors" that's what I think of when I think of people I've known in the past all living in one place (those crazy artist types, is who it would be).
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I'm trying to keep all options open. I'm keeping all survival supplies as mobile as possible. The only thing that bugs me about having a bunker or being stationary is that there could be massive flooding, etc. that would ruin a bunker and all of it's supplies. I have tried to prepare for all emergencies (war, earthquakes, floods, extreme cold, etc.) You have to remember that if things were to get really get bad, there will only be the ground beneath your feet, and you. Survival skills would be a must! Think like a caveman, with no electricity, running water, food, or shelter. Re-act calmly and rationally, and do what has to be done.
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you should have got out of the city about 7 years ago.

a tarp and a tent?

lol your screwed.

death by cat.
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We have a small acre piece of land we can go to, but no building to live in as yet. We have a camper, but it's too cold for that.
My husband has supplies ready to go in case we have to leave town- pop. 61,000.

My suggestion to you is find like-minded people near you and try to associate with them, but beware, some of them will blow you off because they may not trust you.
There are quite a few survival people on this site and they are very informative, so hop-efully some of them will answer you.

Where do you live?
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Store up provisions and bury two cargo containers from semi's 20 feet below the earth, use one for your provisions and the other for living space, check out an air intake or recycling system. Also store some gold for when it's time to come out. That's what I'm doing."

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you should have got out of the city about 7 years ago.

a tarp and a tent?

lol your screwed.

death by cat.
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I did get out of the city, and coincidentally it was exactly 7 years ago. I live in a much smaller city than I did before.

I am not really sure how I would be more secure in an isolated area, alone? That's my question, I think I am safer with people around, and on the upper floor of a building, not the ground floor.

I would definitely be screwed if I had to bug out in a tent on foot, its not an option. the only scenario that involves is if there was a big earthquake, god forbid, and a person felt it was necessary to be outdoors, or was forced there, there is a park near here, and hopefully people would help each other.

Other than that if I left here in a situation of instability and social unrest I would be out of the frying pan and into the fire.

And for a woman alone, I cannot imagine being on some country road, or in a house by myself with no neighbors close by? In fact being in a house by myself at night has zero appeal even with neighbors. I feel safer in an apartment building where you have people nearby all the time if something goes wrong.

If I was on the end of some lonely dirt road, I would feel like a target and a sitting duck.
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We have a small acre piece of land we can go to, but no building to live in as yet. We have a camper, but it's too cold for that.
My husband has supplies ready to go in case we have to leave town- pop. 61,000.

My suggestion to you is find like-minded people near you and try to associate with them, but beware, some of them will blow you off because they may not trust you.
There are quite a few survival people on this site and they are very informative, so hop-efully some of them will answer you.

Where do you live?
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That sounds good, having a little piece of land you can go to. Do you know people who live in the vicinity of it?

Does the land have any utilities, does it have a water source?

I would imagine you are having fun thinking what you could build on it? What sort of things are you thinking about for improvements?

Population 61,000 where you live now sounds like a nice size, is it a low crime city in normal times?
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I re-read my post and am thinking maybe "getting to know my neighbors" could be on my list of things to do?

Here's a question: So, you want to talk to your neighbors, who are strangers, about tough times ahead, and talk about provisions etc, how do you do that without violating the precept of never telling anyone you are stockpiling?
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Sounds like you got a plan (OP), that`s good.

About your neighbors and talking about "tough times".....I would not mention anything FOR NOW, IMHO.

But listen to their conversation, you can then deduct if they are doing something or nothing at all.

Good luck.

LEGION
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Sounds like you got a plan (OP), that`s good.

About your neighbors and talking about "tough times".....I would not mention anything FOR NOW, IMHO.

But listen to their conversation, you can then deduct if they are doing something or nothing at all.

Good luck.

LEGION
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Well thanks Legion, not sure I really have a plan other than sitting tight, I know how hard it was to find work and get established here in a new place far away from where I spent the first 40 years of my life. Moving far away again and starting over without a very compelling reason is probably unwise and unproductive and would just be a big setback, unless I knew I wanted to make a big commitment somewhere else.

I am in the Pacific Northwest, I never intended to be here, I am here because of a relationship, however, the climate is wonderful, and the town I am in is very liveable with out a car, that's important. And I have a stable job which I have had for a long time, the only job I've had since I moved here.

I think one advantage of being here is that it doesn't really get that cold in the winter and so even if there was a big power outage you might not actually die as a result. It would suck though.

About the neighbors, if things got bad they would leave, they are college kids, they go home for all the breaks, they leave for the summer. There's a few more steady people, some I know to say hi to, some not.

I would like to know more about what other people are doing, I know a lot of us got clued up enough to have some food and water and supplies, and maybe our documents in order, and some things to treat illness with and stay healthy.

But beyond that, do you really have a place to go? Did other people already move from a high crime area to a lower crime area like I did? I wouldn't mind going someplace even more demographically desireable, but this is pretty good and like I said I am better off staying, I can get around without a car here, can't say that about every place, that's for sure.

Is anyone here teaming up with a group?

I would like to keep this discussion going, hear from more of you?
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Hi Mercury! Long time no see!

I like the way you've set everything up. I'm a little behind on preperations. Hopefully, it doesn't come back to bite me. Nevertheless, I'm interested in finding one of these commune/groups that may be forming in the next year or so.
I'm hoping against hope that some semblance of our system can continue, as I'm 100% tied up in the status quo for my business. If credit entirely collapses in the auto business, and people just plain stop buying cars, I'll be up a creek in a bad way.
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Hi Mercury! Long time no see!

I like the way you've set everything up. I'm a little behind on preperations. Hopefully, it doesn't come back to bite me. Nevertheless, I'm interested in finding one of these commune/groups that may be forming in the next year or so.
I'm hoping against hope that some semblance of our system can continue, as I'm 100% tied up in the status quo for my business. If credit entirely collapses in the auto business, and people just plain stop buying cars, I'll be up a creek in a bad way.
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Hi Calibob, nice to see you too hi
Well, not sure I have anything set up but the one thing I can say I have achieved is LOW OVERHEAD. Having lived with high overhead in the past, with a business and those kind of bills to cover, I love my paltry rent and bills. It is a challenge living in a small studio apartment but it's worth it for the low rent.

You are in southern California aren't you? I guess I'd worry a little being there, not that I know for anything for sure, just the impression I get, that you could get social unrest there more than some other places? In fact the only thing that bothers me about where I am now is that it is too close to California - I'm afraid if there's a disaster or something there that we would get a lot of refugees here like Houston did after Katrina. that kind of thing.

Now you on the other hand, have you thought about your location there and wondered if it was the best place to be long term? One thing good is you don't have high heating bills? but then I've heard electricity is expensive there? How about water, I love that we have a good water supply here, I would be uncomfortable without that, in fact I should have put that in my first post, there is a very good surface water source here. Assuming it gets into the pipes :-)

I would be spooked if I was in the car business - do you own your own lot? Or are you in sales?

Hey Calibob maybe you will be a horse dealer in the future ;-) But I know you love them too much to sell them for people to work them to death.
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You should be stockpiling seeds and the ability to work soil...

you will need hand tools, and water cans...

if nothing else, if you have the seeds, you should be able to find enough hungry bodies to prepare the soil and haul water...

SEED! buy some every week...

what to buy>? WHAT YOU LIKE TO EAT!
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You probably are about as safe as anywhere else...

there is safety in numbers...

I don't plan to leave either...

but do have BOB and REFUGEE kits made up in case we have a fire emergency or bio, or nuke, or something that FORCED me to leave...

otherwise I'm looking for a bit more farmland in the area around town incase I need to grow more food or get more lifestock...
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Ya know I have a whole lot of fun on here but survival is one topic I take seriously.

I have stocked food, water and supplies here at the homestead. We are very remote, very safe, and VERY well armed. We have similar like minded people who know that if TSHTF they would bug out here.

I have a question to those that are thinking of bugging out.. Where are you going to go?

Most of the places you think are going to be secluded and isolated will NOT be.. trust me on this. Everyone will think that they are the only one that knows about their bug out spot.

Have a plan, and in it, make bugging out your LAST option.. UNLESS you have a bugout location.

We have a name for those who think they will just toss some gear and a few guns in the truck and bug out.. we call them refugees.

Seriously folks.. either have a place to go.. (IE Cabin in the woods, some secluded land, a safe hidden underground room) or don't think about bugging out unless its life or death.

Just some advice from someone who has been doing this a long time. Might be a good time to start looking at what is called "Junk land" where you can buy cheap.. and build a small bug out cabin, or even have a place to put up a real tent. You don't want to be out there running around willy nilly as TS Is hitting TF.

Stay safe.
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That is sweet Mercury.. Yeah I do love the ponies a little too much. A quick note on that front - I bought a filly two months ago with my best friend. She was a classy filly that earned 100k, but had a tendon injury and when we 'saved' her she was running for 5k at Finger Lakes :( The good news is she's happy and healthy now, and we will breed her to Artie Schiller in February.

Now, onto the main issue. Am I a little concerned about living in So. Cal? Yup. If something happened in L.A. I'm squeezed between that mess and the Mexican border, where things are getting crazier every day. It is like a war zone just 30 miles from me. More people have died there in violence during the last month than in all the Mumbai attacks. But I can't get myself to leave. I lost my Mom this year, and my Dad is well up in age. I feel obligated to stay, and so that's how it will be. I'm in the auto finance and insurance business as a broker/agent, and it's amazing how dead the dealers are now. A couple dealerships I know that were averaging 300+ cars sold just a year ago are now at about 100. Lenders won't loan, and customers don't wanna borrow. Our economy is going through the equivalent of an ice age... everything slowing down to a stop.

I don't really know what I'm waiting on before beginning major preps. Maybe that would be a cool question.. What sign/signal is anyone waiting for before they begin preps full-go?
I guess if any of the following happen, that's when I'll run-not-walk to costco and the ammo store:

1)gun fights between border patrol and mexican narco's as they come across the border in large numbers.
2)major earthquake
3)terrorist/ff attack
4)if nukes go off anywhere in the world
5)if it looks like Bush won't be leaving come Jan 19th
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Enigma - I do have seeds. Some good stuff and a fair amount, enough for a big garden, and I tried to choose the non hybrid ones. I've been buying some every year for a few years now, they go on sale half price in the early spring and I load up. I sent some of the older ones (only a couple of years old, perfectly fine) to my sister this spring, don't think she did anything with them though.

I don't have tools, would like to get some, but I have no place to garden here.

You mentioned an evacuation kit, I do keep a backpack with things like first aid, a couple of days of no-cook food, a change of clothes, etc and have my documents where I can grab them and stuff like extra contact lenses and glasses, all together.

Boy you have to stay on top of those bug out bags though. I went through mine about a year ago, it's time for a once over again. It gets heavy fast too and needs re-evaluation.

Seriously I think leaving an unstable situation on foot would be very foolish so I can't put too much stock in that idea unless the building was uninhabitable and we don't want to think about that. Hey I live 3 blocks from the fire station, recently it occurred to me that that is a good thing.

And in addition to seeds, I have a ton of gardening books, and some knowledge from experience (well quite a bit actually) and the benefit of a very forgiving climate here.

I really hope it doesn't come to that. They are trying hard to produce more food locally here and get it to market, there are small farms and outlets for them and that interest is growing.
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Ya know I have a whole lot of fun on here but survival is one topic I take seriously.

I have stocked food, water and supplies here at the homestead. We are very remote, very safe, and VERY well armed. We have similar like minded people who know that if TSHTF they would bug out here.

I have a question to those that are thinking of bugging out.. Where are you going to go?

Most of the places you think are going to be secluded and isolated will NOT be.. trust me on this. Everyone will think that they are the only one that knows about their bug out spot.

Have a plan, and in it, make bugging out your LAST option.. UNLESS you have a bugout location.

We have a name for those who think they will just toss some gear and a few guns in the truck and bug out.. we call them refugees.

Seriously folks.. either have a place to go.. (IE Cabin in the woods, some secluded land, a safe hidden underground room) or don't think about bugging out unless its life or death.

Just some advice from someone who has been doing this a long time. Might be a good time to start looking at what is called "Junk land" where you can buy cheap.. and build a small bug out cabin, or even have a place to put up a real tent. You don't want to be out there running around willy nilly as TS Is hitting TF.

Stay safe.
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thats great advice... and we are driving out west to the mountains to look at some remote but CHEAP land near Terlingua... there is a thriving community there and land is as cheap as 150 bucks and acre... but there is no work, so you better be self prolific and sufficient...

We always could retreat back to the familial lands... and it may be that...

we would be refugees..

thats what I call most of my get out of da casa setup...

REFUGEE CAMP IN A BOX...

last resort for us..

I am interested in some cheap desert land for the ultimate fallback...

back against the wall, living in a cabin and eating oatmeal and cactus...
Lester

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Re: It's looking like things could get scary in the near future. What actions have you taken in response? What would be some more things you could
I think you need a firearm. Every woman needs to possess an equalizer to use as a last resort. A 4" .22LR semi-auto pistol like a Ruger is pretty affordable, and easy to shoot accurately without much practice. A pistol is not to threaten anyone with, it is to be drawn and fired to defend your life. With a .22, you use CCI Stinger ammunition and aim for the eyes.

A 9mm Parabellum or .38special is a step up. The auto pistol is easier to learn to shoot. Ammunition costs more but you only need to shoot it enough to be confident you can hit an 8" diameter circle at 25ft.


You and your boyfriend need to decide NOW if you will make a go of being together when circumstances begin to warrant. Maybe one of you can take some vacation days, and rent a car or get a craigslist ride and bring your gear for a visit?

Knowing you neighbors and having them recognize and know your name is really essential.

I think any commune lifestyle in the aftermath will not put up with dopers. Too many people depending on each other to allow dopers to suck up resources and not contribute.

Tough being without a car. Cheap ones on craigslist and maybe at salvation army. You might find an older truck with a camper top pretty cheap, like under $1000.

Mercury, you have really taken the warnings to prepare to heart. You will be glad you did! Now just to sort out your options and get you an equalizer. Maybe you know someone who is a shooter/hunter, or have a friend whose husband/bf hunts/shoots? Ask them for some advice. Maybe he/she even has an extra gun they can give you a deal on? Shooters are always looking for that next gun. You might get a whale of a deal just by asking.

If nothing else, you need a bicycle. Look at the thrift shops, pawnshops and maybe you can find somebody getting rid of a biker's baby trailer. Those will carry gear or groceries or whatever. A bike to get around with a trailer option would be very good. Probably find a bike for $25 or so. Does your town radio station do "tradio"? Listen to that for deals when you can. Maybe somebody at work has some acres and will need others they know and trust?

Just some thoughts.
God Bless and Trust HIM. You will be fine.
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I don't really know what I'm waiting on before beginning major preps. Maybe that would be a cool question.. What sign/signal is anyone waiting for before they begin preps full-go?
I guess if any of the following happen, that's when I'll run-not-walk to costco and the ammo store:

1)gun fights between border patrol and mexican narco's as they come across the border in large numbers.
2)major earthquake
3)terrorist/ff attack
4)if nukes go off anywhere in the world
5)if it looks like Bush won't be leaving come Jan 19th
 Quoting: Calibob

Calibob, first, about the filly, congratulations, that is a bright spot for sure. Glad you could get her rehabilitated and set up as a broodmare.

I don't like the sound of your situation much. Family ties are tough, you do have to be there for your dad - would your dad ever move? When you left the forum for a while I knew you had family troubles and a loss, didn't realize it was your mom, so sorry to hear that. Had a close call with my mom this fall - she's okay but omg I wasn't ready to deal with that! Freaked me out.

I would guess your situation in the auto finance industry is not very dependable Calibob. Hate to say it but things really are freezing up as you say. I have a banker friend and I hear all kinds of things from him. Sometimes when he is talking about what's going on, I think to myself "This is almost as good as GLP!" in doom measurement, you know.

As far as running to costco and the ammo store, Please Calibob, do not wait. Go and get yourself some supplies, do it while there isn't any throng of people, while you're not in a hurry, while the cards are still working, the power is still on, the shelves are full, stuff is cheap and available.

I started stocking a pantry in earnest (adding to it) this summer, I didn't feel like going to the store, but I would make myself go, to get things on sale, I would drag canned goods home on a luggage cart, I would make many trips on foot. I just bought a whole bunch of dry bulk food like brown rice, lentils, etc, the other day because it was on sale. I am running out of room (ran out a while ago).

Go now, don't wait, start getting extra of all the stuff you regularly use around the house, normal everyday food items, just buy more than what you usually buy, get extra. Get a lot of rice because it is cheap and it will keep. Get a lot of herbs and spices, that stuff is all imported, the price could go up, the supply could dry up, I have so much tea now. and all kinds of herbs.

Man the border is getting ugly, I have been hearing about it, all the killings, I am sorry you live so close to that. If something happened do you have a reliable vehicle that you keep topped up with gas and keep camping supplies in the trunk so you could go get your dad and get out of Dodge if you had to? If something ever happens don't leave it too late.

I will put this in bold

We were all supposed to have learned something from Katrina.
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12/05/2008 11:40 PM
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I'm reading the book 'Catastrophobia'.
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12/05/2008 11:50 PM
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You're awesome Mercury... Thanks alot.

Your words mean alot to me.
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12/05/2008 11:56 PM
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Lesters got a great point on the bicycle trailer. I have a few of the burley models, I got off craigslist, and you can easily carry 100 pounds in it...

I used to drag my older daughter and son and they must have weighed close to 100 together...

tires and tubes...
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Re: It's looking like things could get scary in the near future. What actions have you taken in response? What would be some more things you could
I get quite worried over the prospect of dollar collapse, mass unemployment, transportation disruptions, etc. which we have all talked about here and are being discussed regularly in the mainstream news.

So far I have stockpiled quite a pantry of food, canned goods, dry goods, condiments, herbs and natural medicines, and supplies. And some water. The food is enough for several months, assuming I can cook it and get water.

I have a small tent and some tarps, and a stove and some propane. (I really don't think it will be practical for me to live in a tent city though.)

What else? I have some cash on hand.

I think my job is relatively secure, although not lucrative. Now if there was a major disruption in consumer credit, major disruption in currency, would any place stay in business?

I live in a smaller city which does not have a large minority population, although it has a fair amount of transients, would hate to see more homeless/panhandlers/street people/drug dealers etc than we already have . .
Some pretty scary ones come through here sometimes.

I don't think "bugging out" is any kind of option for me. I really have no place to go. I have a cat too, which was semi feral and is poorly socialized, and wouldn't move well at all. Sorry the cat is important. We saw what happened to abandoned pets after Katrina. I am not going to participate in anything like that. I do have some morals and integrity and they do extend to animals.

Here's what I am thinking are the missing pieces for me, I need to stay in better touch with friends and family, my family is far away, I have one relative who is closer who I should renew and deepen my relationship with. My friends are scattered or far away and some I have started to lose touch with. I would like to work on my relationships. I am lucky to have sterling co-workers, who I think are dependable in a crisis, almost like family members.

So, building relationships, seems like an important priority. I have a boyfriend, a very good relationship indeed, and a long established one, but we do not live close by each other, it is still almost qualifying as a long distance relationship (which has its strong points to recommend it, believe me). He is pretty clued into what's going on and has finally started to put some food aside too, and has an evacuation kit and a few camping things.

Neither one of us has a car.

I do not have a means of self defense. I do not know my neighbors very well, I live in an area of very high turnover rentals (students!). However they do all seem to be nice people, and I know one or two people on the block who are more long term. And the area has been getting more stable in the last year or two.

My bills are very low to match my income. My biggest asset is low overhead. I don't want to compromise that. Also I am settled here and hate the thought of abandoning the infrastructure of my apartment which I have struggled to build up since I moved cross country and started over with nothing.

Oh another thing I have going for me is a library of practical books, seriously, I have gardening books, food preserving books, natural medicine books, and sewing books like you wouldn't believe. Also seeds and tons of sewing stuff and fabric. Lots of herbs and supplements.

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On a less personal note, thinking about solutions in general for more people and for the long term, the only thing I have come up with that appeals to me is for a group of people to decide to all move to a small town, we keep hearing about small towns with population loss and boarded up main streets, what if an energetic and inspired bunch of people moved there, each independently of each other, not like a club or formal group, and each tried to contribute to the town, from their own skills and ideas, not from some preconcieved plan, but just because they live there now and they are who they are with what they have to offer, only now they have cooler neighbors, so that makes it easier, maybe.

in my imagination, it's like what if everyone I ever knew, the people I went to college with, old friends etc, current acquaintances all moved to the same vicinity, locality, just to be neighbors, not to join a cult or form a company, no heirarchy, just proximity . . .

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I know a lot about plants, that's for sure. I worked with them for years. I would be a good gardener if I had a place to garden. I do not want to live in a free standing house because of security concerns. I like apartment living and think of living over a storefront someday.

What kind of things have you done to prepare for hard times? What have you been thinking you could do more? What are your ideas for a long term solution for yourself and others, or for society?

Oh I forgot to say, one huge step, very important step that I already took, was to get out of the big city. That counts for a lot right there. Never looked back either.
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It seems to me that some horticultural skills (and a book like one on square foot gardening) plus some fertilizer and heirloom seeds, and depending on resources, a few bags of manure or compost, could be a cost-effective life saver. I'm struggling, too, to figure out what to do. What I've settled on is several months of beans, rice, pasta, and vitamins, plus the means to grow some container carrots and lettuce and alfalfa sprouts, etc. for vitamins and variety (not much of a calorie contribution, but importnat for nutrients). It's all very scary isn't it?
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12/05/2008 11:59 PM

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Lester! Thank you for your great post. I copied it and sent it to myself in an email.

I have been thinking about a handgun a lot. And I think there are people here who could teach me to handle it, people I know, it's just a question of being able to get to the range and being able to afford that. Mainly a question of making it a number one priority, it's kind of the last thing on the list.

Thanks for the specific advice, like I said I saved it and will refer to it.

You were saying cars can be cheap, but I don't drive! Never did drive. Not really interested in automobiles at all and never was. I walk everywhere. Sometimes I take the bus. For travel I take the train regularly.

I have talked with my boyfriend about what we would do if some kind of situation developed. We have the complication of an international border between us. If something really bad happened the first thing they'd do is close the border, they did for 9/11 (don't know how long though - not very long, I don't think).

He has a sister with a big piece of wooded property in Eastern Canada, he thinks he might head there if things got really awful. Seriously I don't know what we would do. I know a woman who I knew many years ago, a friend's mother, who lives in northern Idaho in an isolated area, I have thought about getting in touch with her, I know she remembers me from 30 years ago. She might need help too.
Her husband died about five years ago.

Boyfriend doesn't have a car because it's absurdly expensive to have a car in Vancouver BC. Makes no sense to have one there, you don't need it, it's just an expensive hassle.

Bicycle, I don't know, it's mountainous around here, and it's the same thing - being alone on a bike on some road when things are going queer? I would for sure be safer barricaded in my apartment. The apartment is safer than any tent could ever be. and DRIER lol. It rains a LOT here!

Well thanks for the thoughts, I will take them to heart, you have already been a big influence on me, you and 535 had me pretty freaked out in July and I don't regret anything, if nothing happens I will eat the food and everything will be cool.

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