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Socialism and the American Decline

 
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How does this sound?
"In short, the house of world order will have to be built from the bottom up.... An end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault."

"The standard of living of the average American has to decline... I don't think you can escape that".

These are both quotes by leaders of our country and teasers as well... I'll tell you who said both later in this post.

The Fabian Society

"The Fabian Society is a British intellectual socialist movement, whose purpose is to advance the principles of social democracy via gradualist and reformist, rather than revolutionary means....
Immediately upon its inception, the Fabian Society began attracting many prominent contemporary figures drawn to its socialist cause, including George Bernard Shaw, H. G. Wells, Annie Besant, Graham Wallas, Hubert Bland, Edith Nesbit, Sydney Olivier, Oliver Lodge, Leonard Woolf and Virginia Woolf, Ramsay MacDonald and Emmeline Pankhurst. Even Bertrand Russell later became a member. The two members John Maynard Keynes and Harry Dexter White were delegates at 1944's United Nations Monetary and Financial Conference, commonly known as the Bretton Woods Conference."
- Wikipedia, [link to en.wikipedia.org]

The mission of the Fabian Society, basically, is to create the "One World Order", meaning global socialism and control, not through revolutions or war, but gradually through legislation and the "guiding" of popular thought. In fact, the logo of the Fabian Society is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

"Whereas Communists wanted to establish socialism quickly through violence and revolution, the Fabians preferred to do it slowly through propaganda and legislation. The word socialism was not to be used. Instead, they would speak of benefits for the people such as welfare, medical care, higher wages, and better working conditions. In this way, they planned to accomplish their objective without bloodshed and even without serious opposition. They scorned the Communists, not because they disliked their goals, but because they disagreed with their methods. To emphasize the importance of gradualism, they adopted the turtle as the symbol of their movement. " - Freedom Force International, [link to www.freedom-force.org] [This site also shows the wolf in sheeps clothing stained glass logo]

The Essence of Socialsm

"The essence of socialism is redistribution of the wealth. The goal is equality, and that means taking from the rich and giving to the poor. At least that's the theory. Unfortunately, the poor are never benefited by this maneuver. They either do not get the money in the first place - too much is siphoned off by the bureaucracies which administer the programs - or, if they do get any of it, they don't know what to do with it. They merely spend it until it is gone, and then no one has any money - except, of course, those who administer the government programs. Nevertheless, politicians know that promises to redistribute the wealth are popular among two groups: the voters who naively believe it will help the poor, and the socialist managers who see it as job secuity. Supported by these two voting blocs, election to office is assured.

"One of the early American advocates of socialism on a global scale - including the draining of wealth away from the "rich" United States - was John F. Kennedy. He undoubtedly learned the concept while attending the Fabian London School of Economics in 1935 - 36 just prior to his father's appointment as Ambassador to England. When JFK became President, his political views continued to carry the imprint of that training. In September of 1963, he addressed the finance ministers and central-bank governors from 102 nations at the annual meeting of the IMF [International Monetary Fund, the organization created to eventually be the central bank of the world - the Global Federal Reserve]/World Bank. He explained the concept of world socialism in glowing terms:

"Twenty years ago, when the architects of these institutions [IMF/World Bank] met to design an international banking structure, the economic life of the world was polarized in overwhelming, and even alarming, measure on the United States.... Sixty percent of the gold reserves of the world were here in the United States.... There was a need for redistribution of the financial resources of the world [socialism].... And there was an equal need to organize a flow of capital to the impoverished countries of the world [take America's money and give it to the other nations of the world]. It did not come about by chance but by conscious and deliberate and responsible planning." - John F. Kennedy, "Text of Kennedy Speech to World Monetary Parley", New York Times, October 1, 1963, p.16.

- The Creature from Jekyll Island, G. Edward Griffin, pp. 109-110

The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR)

"The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) is an American nonpartisan foreign policy membership organization founded in 1921 and based at 58 East 68th Street (at Park Avenue) in New York City, with an additional office in Washington, D.C. Many believe it to be the most powerful private organization to influence United States foreign policy. It publishes the bi-monthly journal Foreign Affairs. It has an extensive website, featuring links to its
think tank, The David Rockefeller Studies Program, other programs and projects, publications, history, biographies of notable directors and other board members, corporate members, and press releases."

- Wikipedia, [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Membership in the CFR is prolific and pretty much necessary to get anywhere in politics and/or government. It includes members of all levels of government, media, and banking. More on the CFR another time. If you're interested though, this is a roster of all company members of the CFR: [link to www.cfr.org] and their board of directors: [link to www.cfr.org]

"The brain trust for implementing the Fabian plan in America is called the Council on Foreign Relations. We shall look at it closely in future chapters, but it is important to know at this point that almost all of America's leadership has come from this small group. That includes our presidents and their advisers, cabinet members, ambassadors, board members of the Federal Reserve System, directors of the largest banks and investment houses, presidents of universities, and heads of metropolitan newspapers, news services, TV networks and even celebrities. (in depth analysis of CFR including comprehensive list of members see James Perloff
Shadows of Power) It is not an exaggeration to describe this group as the hidden government of the United States.

"CFR members have never been shy about calling for the weakening of America as a nevessary step toward the greater good of building world government. One of the CFR founders was John Foster Dulles, who later was appointed Secretary-of-State by CFR member Dwight Eisenhower. In 1939, Dulles said: "Some dilution or leveling off of the soverignty system as it prevails in the world today must take place... to the immediate disadvantage of those nations which now possess the preponderance of power.... The establishment of a common money... would deprive our government of exclusive control over a national money... The United Stated must be prepared to make sacrifices afterward in setting up a world politico-economic order which would level off inequalities of economic opportunity with respect to nations" - "Dulles Outlines World Peace Plan," New York Times, October 28, 1939.

[By the way, Brzezinski, pronounced breh-ZHIHN-skee, is Obama's Foreign Policy Adviser; he was also an adviser to the Johnson and Kennedy administrations. He was the first president of the Trilateral Commission, is extremely anti-Soviet, and helped to arm the Afghan mujahideen (muslim terrorists). - U.S. Provides $500,000 So Afghan Rebels Can Tell Their Story, AP, September 16, 1985]

"CFR member Zbigniew Brzezinski was the National Security Adviser to CFR member Jimmy Carter. In 1970, Brzezinski wrote: ".... some international cooperation has already been achieved, but further progress will require greater American sacrifices. More intensive efforts to shape a new world monetary structure will have to be undertaken, with some consequent risk to the present relatively favorable American position." Brzezinski, Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era, 1970, p. 300

The CFR strategy for convergence of the world's monetary systems was spelled out by Harvard Professor Richard N. Cooper, a CFR member who had been the Under Secretary of State for Economic Affairs in the Carter Administration: "I suggest a radical alternative scheme for the next century: the creation of a common currency for all of the industrial democracies, with a common monetary policy and a joint Bank of Issue to determine that monetary policy... How can independent states accomplish that? They need to turn over the determination of monetary policy to a supranational body." A Monetary System for the Future, Richard Cooper, Foreign Affairs, Fall 1984. [In other words, individual countries with the money, such as the US need to hand over control of economy, money and monetarial policy to an entity "greater" than the US itself, so that the wealth can be redistributed to the rest of the globe and socialism prevails].

"Phrases such as monetary coordination mechanisms, modern world economic order, convergence of political values, or new world order are not very specific. To the average person, they sound pleasant and harmless. Yet, to the insiders of the club, they are code phrases which have a specific meaning: the termination of national sovereignty and the creation of world government." -The Creature from Jekyll Island, Griffin, pp. 110-111.

Remember this quote from the beginning? "In short, the house of world order will have to be built from the bottom up.... An end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault." - Richard Gardner, The Hard Road to World Order, Foreign Affairs, April 1974.

By the way, this guy was one of Jimmy Carter's advisors. He was the U.S. ambassador to Italy from 77-81 and to Spain from 93-97. He was a member of the President's Advisory Committee on Trade Policy and Negotiations (ACTPN) and of the US delegation to the Ministerial meeting of the World Trade Organization held in Seattle at the end of 1999. He is currently a member of the State Department's Advisory Committee on International Economic Policy. He is a Rhodes scholar, a member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, the American Philosophical Society and the Council on Foreign Relations. He's a member of the Trilateral Commission and a professor at Columbian University. I bring this all up to point out, this isn't just some random crack pot who believe that our sovereignty and hard earned wealth should just be shoveled out for elite profit and socialism. This is a "big guy" who has been very rewarded by our government throughout various administrations and by the world powers for these beliefs!!!

As for the programmed decline of the American economy.... CFR member Paul Volcker, former Chairman of the Federal Reserve, says "The standard of living of the average American has to decline... I don't think you can escape that". -Volcker Asserts U.S. Must Trim Living Standard, New York Times, Oct 18 1979.

By the way, this guy is Obama's economic adviser. He taught at Princeton University, was chairman of J. Rothschild, Wolfensohn & Co investment banking firm, was the director of the United Nations Association of the United States of America, he is the current Chairman of the Board of Trustees of the influential Washington-based financial advisory body, the Group of Thirty, and is a member of the Trilateral Commission. He has had a long association with the Rockefeller family, not only with his positions at Chase Bank and the Trilateral Commission, but also through membership of the Trust Committee of Rockefeller Group, Inc. (RGI), which he joined in 1987. That entity managed, at one time, the Rockefeller Center on behalf of the numerous members of the Rockefeller clan. He currently serves as Chairman of the Board of Trustees of the International House in Manhattan, NY.

Trilateral Commission

"The Trilateral Commission was created by David Rockefeller to coordinate the building of the New World Order.. The objective is to draw the United States, Mexico, Canada, Japan, and Western Europe into political and economic union. Under slogans such as free trade and environmental protection, each nation is to surrender it sovereignty "piece by piece" until a full blown regional government emerges from the process. The new government will control each nation's working conditions, wages, and taxes. Once that has happened, it will be relatively simple step to merge the regionals into global government. That is the reality behind the so-called trade treaties within the European Union, NAFTA, APEC, and GATT (which created the World Trade Organization)." Griffin, p. 112

Henry Kissinger, CFR member, said that NAFTA "is not a conventional trade agreementbut the architecture of a new international system.... the vital first step for a new kind of community of nations". With NAFTA, US Finally Creates a New World Order, LA Times, July 18 1993
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uh, yeah, i'm not reading all that...

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Then quit sending your kids to public schools, quit driving on public roads, no more Interstate Hiways for you. And if there is any Social Security left when you retire you can send back the checks.

Fucktard we have been socialist for a long long time.
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Then quit sending your kids to public schools, quit driving on public roads, no more Interstate Hiways for you. And if there is any Social Security left when you retire you can send back the checks.

Fucktard we have been socialist for a long long time.
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No shit idiot. That's what the fucking post is ABOUT.

Fucking morons.
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Then quit sending your kids to public schools, quit driving on public roads, no more Interstate Hiways for you. And if there is any Social Security left when you retire you can send back the checks.

Fucktard we have been socialist for a long long time.
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I don't HAVE kids, I was homeschooled, I don't use the interstate, and there's won't be social security left when I retire.

BECAUSE of socialism, there won't be a US left when I'm retirement age.

You obviously didn't read, and you don't know anything about me.

READ a post before you judge, troll.
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No shit idiot. That's what the fucking post is ABOUT.

Fucking morons.
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YOUR THE MORAN!

lmao
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Then quit sending your kids to public schools, quit driving on public roads, no more Interstate Hiways for you. And if there is any Social Security left when you retire you can send back the checks.

Fucktard we have been socialist for a long long time.


No shit idiot. That's what the fucking post is ABOUT.

Fucking morons.
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HA yeah that guy should call HIMSELF a fucktard for completely missing the point.

America lost the essence of a being Constitutional Republic that employs free markets a LONG LONG time ago.
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Then quit sending your kids to public schools, quit driving on public roads, no more Interstate Hiways for you. And if there is any Social Security left when you retire you can send back the checks.

Fucktard we have been socialist for a long long time.


No shit idiot. That's what the fucking post is ABOUT.

Fucking morons.


HA yeah that guy should call HIMSELF a fucktard for completely missing the point.

America lost the essence of a being Constitutional Republic that employs free markets a LONG LONG time ago.
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Exactly. Someone gets it! Thank you!
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No shit idiot. That's what the fucking post is ABOUT.

Fucking morons.


YOUR THE MORAN!

lmao
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Jesus Christ 1-2 you're everywhere!
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I definitely get EXACTLY what you mean.

I watched a 1984 interview from an ex-KGB agent who talked about how America at the time had been influenced from within for years by covert Communist agents seeking to demoralize the public and subconsciously instill Socialistic views into their mind.

Its been going on for a long time. America's Founding Principals have been defeated for many years.

The question is -- when we will awake to it, and when will it change?
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I definitely get EXACTLY what you mean.

I watched a 1984 interview from an ex-KGB agent who talked about how America at the time had been influenced from within for years by covert Communist agents seeking to demoralize the public and subconsciously instill Socialistic views into their mind.

Its been going on for a long time. America's Founding Principals have been defeated for many years.

The question is -- when we will awake to it, and when will it change?
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The problem is that most people are noticing it -- and think it's a good idea!

I'm afraid we're screwed... the plan to dumb down has worked very well.
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Yes the dumbed down propaganda-matrix has our Public by the balls.

No doubt about it. It's hard to be optimistic given the level of consciousness of the People.

However, keep on trying to awaken people -- it DOES work friend.

Keep on promoting education and the "a priori" arguments that hold so much validity. Its all about connecting the dots back to the flawed governmental implementation that *IS* Socialism!
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I'm afraid we're screwed... the plan to dumb down has worked very well.
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Luckily, I am smart and prepared. The dumb can panic, I have a plan. ;) Makes me feel selfish, almost.
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I'm afraid we're screwed... the plan to dumb down has worked very well.



Luckily, I am smart and prepared. The dumb can panic, I have a plan. ;) Makes me feel selfish, almost.
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In all seriousness, I need a plan friend. Without revealing to much, care to offer any pointers?
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I'm afraid we're screwed... the plan to dumb down has worked very well.



Luckily, I am smart and prepared. The dumb can panic, I have a plan. ;) Makes me feel selfish, almost.

It's not selfish Canis! It is wise! I know you are a Christian; it is Biblical to be prepared. Read about the ants in Proverbs. ;-)

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Yes the dumbed down propaganda-matrix has our Public by the balls.

No doubt about it. It's hard to be optimistic given the level of consciousness of the People.

However, keep on trying to awaken people -- it DOES work friend.

Keep on promoting education and the "a priori" arguments that hold so much validity. Its all about connecting the dots back to the flawed governmental implementation that *IS* Socialism!
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Thank you for the encouragement. hf
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READ a post before you judge, troll.
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OK..I read it. Just end yourself now..that way you dont have to wait for the end. rofl

LOL bigtime on the "I dont use interstate hiways" thing.
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READ a post before you judge, troll.
OK..I read it. Just end yourself now..that way you dont have to wait for the end. rofl

LOL bigtime on the "I dont use interstate hiways" thing.
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:jesushate:
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In all seriousness, I need a plan friend. Without revealing to much, care to offer any pointers?
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Store lots of food, get a firearm in the premise you have to hunt for food or defend yourself/family, buy other items necessary to aid in survival once there is no longer any economy or government, learn a life skill. Stitching, mechanics, farming, etc. Anything that will have a use in a deathworld scenario. ;)

Clear your head and be comfortable with collapse. If you cannot handle it mentally, then what's the use?
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thank *YOU* for putting in enough brain hours to discern all the information thats out there, and coming to a logically sound conclusion.

Our views WILL be the remedy for the Republic.

....If we ever get the chance to implement them.

Keep on going man, our case is so elegant once you understand it. People take time to catch on (I mean, look how long it took them to figure Bush out...years after I did, for example).


In Liberty,
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thank *YOU* for putting in enough brain hours to discern all the information thats out there, and coming to a logically sound conclusion.

Our views WILL be the remedy for the Republic.

....If we ever get the chance to implement them.

Keep on going man, our case is so elegant once you understand it. People take time to catch on (I mean, look how long it took them to figure Bush out...years after I did, for example).


In Liberty,
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"The standard of living of the average American has to decline... I don't think you can escape that".


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I just wanted to reiterate ^this part.. please exchange 'Westerner' or "Anglo/Euro-American" with 'American' though.

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READ a post before you judge, troll.
OK..I read it. Just end yourself now..that way you dont have to wait for the end. rofl

LOL bigtime on the "I dont use interstate hiways" thing.


:jesushate:
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Some old hippie cultist with nice sandals. I am an atheist.
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"The standard of living of the average American has to decline... I don't think you can escape that".




I just wanted to reiterate ^this part.. please exchange 'Westerner' or "Anglo/Euro-American" with 'American' though.

~ Peace
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Really? The quote I have says American.

Or are you saying it would apply to a broader audience?
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READ a post before you judge, troll.
OK..I read it. Just end yourself now..that way you dont have to wait for the end. rofl

LOL bigtime on the "I dont use interstate hiways" thing.


:jesushate:



Some old hippie cultist with nice sandals. I am an atheist.
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ha ha cool then if you have a sense of humour you should check out the blasphemy thread I started today.
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No shit idiot. That's what the fucking post is ABOUT.

Fucking morons.


YOUR THE MORAN!

lmao


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He looks like a fucking kiddo in attention despair.
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"The standard of living of the average American has to decline... I don't think you can escape that".




I just wanted to reiterate ^this part.. please exchange 'Westerner' or "Anglo/Euro-American" with 'American' though.

~ Peace


Really? The quote I have says American.

Or are you saying it would apply to a broader audience?
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Yep! That's all. :)

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That makes sense Celtic. I agree! :-)
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Run away little Riker, run away. Couldn't defend your positon in other threads, so you make up one of your own, to rail against socialism as if you have the foggiest idea of what it is, or what the root of the evils that are being perpetrated against us really are.

I suppose you think the Nazis were socialist too.
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Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"


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Run away little Riker, run away. Couldn't defend your positon in other threads, so you make up one of your own, to rail against socialism as if you have the foggiest idea of what it is, or what the root of the evils that are being perpetrated against us really are.

I suppose you think the Nazis were socialist too.
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Just can't handle the truth, can you Jack? Gotta try to start a fight everywhere.

I told you I left the conversation because of your rudeness. I asked you many times to speak respectfully if you wanted to continue the conversation, and you did not.

I presented certain questions and historical facts to you for discussion, and you choice to respond with emotionally oriented, hateful, and illogical reasoning.

Go throw your temper tantrum somewhere else.
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Run away little Riker, run away. Couldn't defend your positon in other threads, so you make up one of your own, to rail against socialism as if you have the foggiest idea of what it is, or what the root of the evils that are being perpetrated against us really are.

I suppose you think the Nazis were socialist too.


Just can't handle the truth, can you Jack? Gotta try to start a fight everywhere.

I told you I left the conversation because of your rudeness. I asked you many times to speak respectfully if you wanted to continue the conversation, and you did not.

I presented certain questions and historical facts to you for discussion, and you choice to respond with emotionally oriented, hateful, and illogical reasoning.

Go throw your temper tantrum somewhere else.
 Quoting: riker


Shall I start quoting all of your rudeness and logical fallacies?

Or are you going to answer the fucking question?

Were the Nazis socialists?
When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.

Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"


-Revelation 6:5, 6:6
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Re: Socialism and the American Decline
And if there is any Social Security left when you retire you can send back the checks.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 531633


Why should she, if she paid to sustain people throughout her life? It's what you Americans call payback, I believe, but in a positive form, ie; NOT a 'beyatch'. :)

I keep seeing this 'point' being repeated.. it is erroneous.

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