The Bible is full of examples of reincarnation

Jesus did not teach reincarnation. At least the Jesus fo the Bible, Jesus of Nazareth, did not. Saying He did would have Him contradict everything else He taught. He came to suffer and die in our place because the judgment we face as sinners separated from God is that terrible. The Bible says it is appointed unto man once to die, and then the judgment. Jesus is the same God who inspired that scripture. It is aparent that unsaved newagers have to insist Jesus taught reincarnation to justify the fact that they won´t obey Him.

Did you read them?

If you did it is obvious He did teach reincarnation.

Not only that, but in many NDEs He has given the person an option of reincarnating if they didn´t want to stay or go back to the life they had.

There is a price that comes with it though. You have to learn the lessons you missed out on the first time around. There is no running from yourself.

.....so....uh.......like.....how does being dead for three days count for dying for our sins??????

Actually the early Christians did believe in reincarnation then in 325 AD the Nicea Council changed it and Emperor Constantine had it a heresy to be taught thereafter. Must keep in mind that this Emperor believed in Sol Invictus the sungod religion. The Catholics then did away with reincarnation and in its place invented "Purgatory". The Bibles we have today were rewritten down throughout the ages by members of Secret Societies, most ungodly men, they ordered the Inquistions and Religion Wars.

Most religious leaders believed in reincarnation up to when it was declared a heresy by the Roman Church in 553 A.D.

Paul and Origen both believed in it.

I know about reincarnation.

But if early Christianity embraced it, then how and when did the corollary belief - Jesus died for our sins and only by accepting his sacrifice do we gain entrance to heaven - originate?

Seeker, you are another one that feels it necessary to say things about Paul that are not true. He, and Jesus, did NOT teach reincarnation. Some don´t seem to know their scriptures and say these foolish things, but others DO seem to know them and yet still say things like you did. I think it is worse to know God´s word and purposely twist it than to do it in ignorance

Unfortunately, organized religion is now a farce.

Christianity was hijacked back by the Caesars and religious leaders of the time, mainly the Popes. They used it to hold power over the masses. Why do you think there are only 66 books in the Bible? There are hundreds you know. They decided which ones were worthy of the masses to read and hid the rest away for their own use.

Did you know it was ILLEGAL to write the Bible in any language other than Latin for centuries? This was so the masses couldn´t read it and they would have a reason to make them come to church to learn it.

It is truly ironic that the church does the exact opposite of what they profess to believe. Mainly the following of Jesus Christ. It´s a shame really.

I didn´t say Jesus taught reincarnation, I believe Jesus did not go against it at all. When some asked him if he was John the Baptist returned did he deny reincarnation, no he didn´t. Its the Council of Nicea in 325 AD that made it a heresy teaching. Just like many books are left out of the Bible why because they would prove Jesus was not divine.

Please don´t get me going about Paul. He taught the EXACT opposite of what Jesus said. Over and over again he mislead and misspoke for Christ.

Once Purgatory was put in the place of reincarnation then came the next great sin selling indulgences, you know prayers for the dead by the clergy to get them out of Purgatory.

Ok.Someone keeps saying Jesus died for our sins.You are responsible for your own sins buddy!
Now,just WHEN did He die for our sins?
First it was on the Cross,then it was in or during the three days in the Cave of Atonement.A prison solitary cell.Lie there and rot.Why if he was already dead? And why would the "Angels" carry away a dead body and knock out the guards?

In fact,whatever happened to the stone block the Isralies found in a similar cave,with inscriptions in it,saying it was the geniune article?

But if it was the genuine article,why was the stone still there?

But...why take it away?The authorities I mean.

perhaps to examine it ,if a fraud.

Then...why silence.Where is it.

"Ignore the issue..."

Research the history of the church and you will be amazed at all the evil it had done to humans. I guess it had a start with removing reincarnation and replacing it with Purgatory, then came selling indulgences which Martin Luther did away with, and next we have Inquistions after Inquistions Protestants against Catholics. Today we have Christians against Isalm or is it Judao Christians against Arabs. And the Jews thought Hitler was bad, look what the Israelis have done to the Palestinians. Look what we have done to the Iraqis.

"The episode in the Bible where Jesus identified John the Baptist as the reincarnation of Elijah the prophet is one of the clearest statements which Jesus made concerning reincarnation.

For all the prophets and the law have prophesied until John. And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who was to come. (Matt. 11:13-14)

In the above passage, Jesus clearly identifies John the Baptist as the reincarnation of Elijah the prophet. Later in Matthew´s gospel Jesus reiterates it.

And the disciples asked him, saying, "Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?"

But he answered them and said, "Elijah indeed is to come and will restore all things. But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also shall the Son of Man suffer at their hand."

Then the disciples understood that he had spoken of John the Baptist." (Matt. 17:10-13)

In very explicit language, Jesus identified John the Baptist as the reincarnation of Elijah. Even the disciples of Jesus understood what Jesus was saying. This identification of John to be the reincarnation of Elijah is very important when it comes to Bible prophecy. By identifying the John with Elijah, Jesus identified himself as the Messiah. The Hebrew scriptures mentions specific signs that would precede the coming of the Messiah. One of them is that Elijah will return first.

Behold I will send you Elijah the prophet, before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord. (Mal. 4:5)

This is one of the major Messianic promises from God that is found in the Bible. And these John is Elijah references clearly demonstrate the reality of reincarnation. So there are two important conclusions we can draw from this:

(1) The Hebrew scriptures prophesied that Elijah himself - not someone like him or someone in the same ministry as him but Elijah himself - would return before the advent of the Messiah.

(2) Jesus declared John to be Elijah when he stated that Elijah has come.

Based on these conclusions alone, either (A) or (B) must be true:

(A) John was Elijah himself which means that Elijah reincarnated as John the Baptist. And if this is true then reincarnation must belong once again in Christian theology. It also means that the concept of corpses crawling out of graves on Judgment Day can be discarded. OR...

(B) John was not Elijah reincarnated which means that Elijah himself did not return. And if this is true then either (1) or (2) listed below is true:

(1) Malachi’s prophecy concerning Elijah´s return to life before the coming of the Messiah failed to happen. This would mean that God does not keep his promise and that the Bible is fallible. OR...

(2) Jesus was not the Messiah.

Based on all the logic presented thus far, only one of the following conclusions is true:

I. Reincarnation is a reality OR...

II. Jesus was not the Messiah OR...

III. Bible prophecies are not reliable.

There is no way around this logic. Only one of the above options can be true. And because Jesus´ declaration that John is Elijah is overt and direct, then the only option that can be logically true is (A)."

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Reincarnation: According to this belief, when a person dies, the soul, the “real self,” passes on to a better existence if the individual has lived a good and proper life, but possibly to existence as an animal if his record has been more bad than good. Each rebirth, it is believed, brings the individual back into this same system of things, where he will face further suffering and eventual death. The cycles of rebirth are viewed as virtually endless. Is such a future really what awaits you? Some believe that the only way of escape is by extinguishing all desire for things pleasing to the senses. To what do they escape? To what some describe as unconscious life.

Bible: According to the Bible, the soul is the complete person. Even though a person may have done bad things in the past, if he repents and changes his ways, God will forgive him. (Ps. 103:12, 13) When a person dies, nothing survives. Death is like a deep, dreamless sleep. There will be a resurrection of the dead. This is not a reincarnation but a bringing back to life of the same personality. (Acts 24:15) For most people, the resurrection will be to life on earth. It will take place after God brings the present wicked system to its end. Sickness, suffering, even the necessity to die, will become things of the past. (Dan. 2:44; Rev. 21:3, 4)

The thing you are missing here tho is that Elijah was ´transformed´ He did not die. You are right, he was sent back as John the baptist -it is appointed that man shall die one time- and at that time he died. He will never be back and neither will any of the rest of us unless you are Moses or Enoch. They are the only two others that was transformed. That is not reincarnation.

Seeker, you really need to study your Bible in depth. Jesus was not saying John was Elijah reincarnated. When Elijah and Moses appeared at the transfiguration of Jesus, NO ONE said it was John the Baptist. You promote newage doctrines

Let me again remind you that all the Bibles we have today are versions that is all are rewritten down throughout the ages and King James himself was a Freemason. Secret Societies are the writers of the Bibles. These ungodly writers left out Books that would prove Jesus was not divine, that he was married to Mary Magdeline and the wedding feast of Cana was his wedding to her. A Rabbi had to be a married man, was he not called a rabbi by the Pharasees who were the strictest in obeying the Law of Moses? I know Scripture, went to Private school and later studied what Protestant denominations teach. Lastly, there is an old saying, you tell a lie it goes in all directions, how many Protestant denominations are there?

There is a passage in the bible that shows the disciples believed in reincarnation. It is when they come across a man blind FROM BIRTH. And they ask Jesus who sinned that the man should be born blind. His parents or him. So how could he sin before he was born. Clearly this shows they not only believed in reincarnation but they believed in karma.

JOHN
9:1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

Is reincarnation indicated by the account at John 9:1, 2?

John 9:1, 2: “Now as he [Jesus] was passing along he saw a man blind from birth. And his disciples asked him: ‘Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, so that he was born blind?’”

Is it possible that these disciples had been influenced by the belief of the Jewish Pharisees, who said that “the souls of good men only are removed into other bodies”? (Wars of the Jews, Josephus, Book II, chap. VIII, par. 14) It is not likely, since their question does not imply that they thought he was a ‘good man.’ It is more likely that as Jesus’ disciples they believed the Scriptures and knew that the soul dies. [link to www.mysticbanana.com]

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"Seeker, you really need to study your Bible in depth. Jesus was not saying John was Elijah reincarnated. When Elijah and Moses appeared at the transfiguration of Jesus, NO ONE said it was John the Baptist. You promote newage doctrines"

Hehe. No one? Not even Jesus? He said it.

For all the prophets and the law have prophesied until John. And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who was to come. (Matt. 11:13-14)

Is that not in your bible? He is talking about John and he says "he is Elijah who was to come".
´He´ is John who is also Elijah to come.

Let´s not forget the MOST important part of the whole statement..."if you are willing to receive it".

I guess you aren´t willing to receive it.

Did this mean that John the Baptist was a reincarnated Elijah? When Jewish priests asked John, “Are you Elijah?” he said, “I am not.” (John 1:21) What, then, did Jesus mean? As God’s angel foretold, John went before God’s Messiah “with Elijah’s spirit and power, to turn back the hearts of fathers to children and the disobedient ones to the practical wisdom of righteous ones, to get ready for God a prepared people.” (Luke 1:17) So John the Baptist was fulfilling prophecy by doing a *work* like that of the prophet Elijah.—Mal. 4:5, 6.

Here is another time Jesus tells you.

This is the one ... there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist....And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. He who has ears, let him hear. (Matt. 11:11-15)

Are you willing to accept it? Do you have ears to hear?

Now Herod the tetrarch heard about all that was going on. And he was perplexed, because some were saying that John had been raised from the dead, others that Elijah had appeared, and still others that one of the prophets of long ago had come back to life. (Luke 9:7-8)

"one of the prophets of long ago had come back to life"

No one can follow Jesus. Especially when he takes off walking on water...

Those who believe in reincarnation say that the Bible touches on the subject at Matthew 17:11-13, where Jesus connects John the Baptizer with the ancient prophet Elijah. This text reads: “‘Elijah, indeed, is coming and will restore all things. However, I say to you that Elijah has already come . . .’ Then the disciples perceived that he spoke to them about John the Baptist.”

In saying this, did Jesus mean that John the Baptizer was a reincarnation of the prophet Elijah? John himself knew that he was not. On one occasion when he was asked, “Are you Elijah?” John clearly answered: “I am not.” (John 1:21) It had, however, been foretold that John would precede the Messiah “with Elijah’s spirit and power.” (Luke 1:17; Malachi 4:5, 6) In other words, John the Baptizer was “Elijah” in the sense that he carried out a work comparable to that of Elijah.

Resurrection, Not Reincarnation

Although the Bible does not support the reincarnation doctrine, nobody needs to feel disappointed. The Bible’s message offers something far more comforting than the idea of being reborn in a world filled with sickness, sorrow, pain, and death. And not only is what the Bible offers comforting but it is the truth, God’s own Word.

Paul expressed the encouraging doctrine in this way: “I have hope toward God . . . that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.” The word “resurrection,” or some form of it, occurs over 50 times in the Christian Greek Scriptures, and Paul speaks of it as a primary doctrine of the Christian faith.—Acts 24:15; Hebrews 6:1, 2.

Resurrection from the dead means, obviously, that death exists. Nowhere in the Bible will you find any hint that man has an immortal soul. If man had an immortal soul that separated from the body at death and went to an everlasting destiny in heaven or in hell or was reincarnated, then there would be no need for a resurrection. On the other hand, some one hundred Bible texts show that the human soul is, not immortal, but mortal and destructible. The Bible consistently speaks of death as being the opposite of life, that is, nonexistence as contrasted with existence.

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they were cut off from the tree of life.

Eternal Life on Earth

What will be the lot of those who are resurrected from death? The Bible speaks of two kinds of resurrections—a heavenly one and an earthly one. The earthly resurrection is going to be the lot of the vast majority of those who have ever lived and died. Very few have a heavenly resurrection, to reign with Christ in the heavenly Kingdom of God. (Revelation 14:1-3; 20:4) When will the earthly resurrection begin? It will begin after this present wicked system is destroyed by God and “a new earth,” a righteous new human society, has become a reality.—2 Peter 3:13; Proverbs 2:21, 22; Daniel 2:44.

In the “new earth,” there will be no more sickness or suffering. Even death will no longer exist but will be replaced by the prospect of eternal life. “[God] will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” (Revelation 21:4) Also, the psalmist foretold: “The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it.” (Psalm 37:29) Similarly, Jesus stated: “Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.”—Matthew 5:5.

Compare those grand promises of God with the doctrine of reincarnation. According to that idea, it is assumed that you return time after time to live in this same corrupt old system of things. That would mean you would continue to be surrounded by wickedness, suffering, sickness, and dying in an almost endless cycle. What a hopeless outlook that is!

Thus, the Bible answers the questions, Have you lived before? and, Will you live again? in this way: No, you have not lived any life other than the present one. But it is possible for you to make your life a lasting one, indeed, an eternal one. Today, in these “last days” of this present system, you can have the hope of surviving this world’s end and gaining entry into God’s new world without dying. (2 Timothy 3:1-5; Revelation 7:9-15) Or if you die before God’s new world arrives, you can have the hope of being resurrected to eternal life on a paradise earth.—Luke 23:43.

If you exercise faith in Jesus, no matter what may happen, Jesus’ words to Martha when her brother Lazarus died apply also to you: “I am the resurrection and the life. He that exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life; and everyone that is living and exercises faith in me will never die at all.”—John 11:25, 26.