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Raphael User ID: 568180 Canada 12/10/2008 01:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Somebody said the following. It has been repeated as the answer to the Zen Koan. A few answers for the curious: The sound of one hand clapping- Silence Not quite. IMHO silence is a shallow response. What does this mean? Take it to the next level spiritual seekers. OR Take it down a few levels? I want to apply a new SPIN to the trademark Zen insights. What can we find hidden in the sounds of silence? Joseph Campbell suggested AUM had '4' syllables A u M _ = silence The Epiphany? What if One hand clapping is a reference to a preference for handedness in a world defined by the electron which has a preference for spin or handedness? Actually all the building blocks seem to have a preference for a certain handedness or SPIN. DNA >> Amino Acids >> Carbs >> Crystals Either CW or CCW are the choices... And the Buddhists still have a reverence for the swastika defined by the same movements... Could it be true grasshoppers? The electron is a fascist force? And one hand clapping refers to the fact that your LEFT and RIGHT hands are chirally asymmetric. So are the building blocks I mentioned. One Hand Clapping obviously refers to HANDEDNESS or as it is defined by a physicist CW or CCW. Anybody have a question that Zenguy did not answer to your satisfaction? By applying a rotation, your perspective changes. Shhh now, take this advice grasshoppers, go sit under the bodhi tree down by walden pond for about 20 years, okay to fall asleep Rip Van Ripple.. Do you want to know why if the EWE sleep, or hide in Plato's cave you become enlightened grasshoppers? Because DARKNESS turns on DMT production in the pineal gland. And if the grasshoppers have not yet been caught in the web of confusion...read this: [link to kachina2012.wordpress.com] namaste Raphael The swastika is an inherent part of Intelligent Design. [link to at37.wordpress.com] “A theory is more impressive the greater is the simplicity of its premise, the more different are the kinds of things it relates and the more extended its range of applicability…” -Einstein |
Darza User ID: 378572 Netherlands 12/11/2008 05:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Somebody said the following. Quoting: RaphaelIt has been repeated as the answer to the Zen Koan. A few answers for the curious: The sound of one hand clapping- Silence Not quite. IMHO silence is a shallow response. Since there are no logical answers to this question answering it results in silencing the mind. It is to give the EXPERIENCE of silence, not the word. The depth of experienced silence is infinite, like with love. Both limitless. Koans can only bring you to the edge of mind, beyond that it is all subjectiveness :) |
Raphael User ID: 568180 Canada 12/11/2008 07:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Koans can only bring you to the edge of mind, beyond that it is all subjectiveness :) This next post continues to explain why the traditional One Hand Clapping = silence is a shallow response, considering we now have scientific tools to help penetrate this 'language' based on metaphor and parable. edge of mind edge of space science has helped penetrate both realms, the macrocosm and microcosm are apparently connected in ways the quantum physicist is just waking up to. I disagree with some of your statement, it reads like a Christian cop out. Substituting blind faith for 'the test'. Questioning, searching for a truth is one of the most noblest journeys...worthy of a Buddha. Even if the only truth you seek is found by going within. I agree this is the best and least path taken by most sheeple and seegullibles. However there is a pattern observed, it is archetypal and it is transcendental. It is based on asymmetry. Your L/R hands are asymmetric. Shall we try to understand how our asymmetric hands conspire with our asymmetric brains in creating some kind of asymmetric heaven OR hell here on earth...? Read this next blog or go back to shleep. [link to kachina2012.wordpress.com] EWE wanna move forward? Koans can only bring you to the edge of mind, beyond that it is all subjectiveness :) Let us try to be objective about what you said. Words are all bullshit anyway, twisted since the first utterance. Words came from letters which came from numbers and hieroglyphs, pictograms, ideograms, based on right brain archetypal interpretations of 'sound and light' that transcend TimeSpace. What transcends TIMESPACE and let me add MOTION? [link to kachina2012.wordpress.com] Cosmic Background Radiation Does!!! What can we learn from this 'fingerprint' left behind for us to observe. LIGHT HEAT SOUND They are what the Universal archetypes are based on. Ewe wanna learn something new Darza? OR do EWE wanna play Buddha in the box with Jack**, Jesus, HOPE and "Have some FAITH, and give to CHARITY? Charity = Church (of course) Not me...I am out of that box, and I ain't going back in. namaste Raphael p.s. hey it is not all bad news Darza. **Jack is Black and has been put in the box because a sense of HUMOR inside that box is critical to the CHAOS out of ORDER we have had a hand in creating, relying primarily on the 'Right Hand Rules' of physics regarding x, y, z, and o. We got it all backwards. Should be z, y, x, and w not o We are the followers NOT the leaders. The swastika is an inherent part of Intelligent Design. [link to at37.wordpress.com] “A theory is more impressive the greater is the simplicity of its premise, the more different are the kinds of things it relates and the more extended its range of applicability…” -Einstein |
Darza User ID: 378572 Netherlands 12/11/2008 08:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Koans can only bring you to the edge of mind, beyond that it is all subjectiveness :) This next post continues to explain why the traditional One Hand Clapping = silence is a shallow response, considering we now have scientific tools to help penetrate this 'language' based on metaphor and parable. edge of mind edge of space science has helped penetrate both realms, the macrocosm and microcosm are apparently connected in ways the quantum physicist is just waking up to. I disagree with some of your statement, it reads like a Christian cop out. Substituting blind faith for 'the test'. Understandable, maybe this will clarify: Sayings of Ramana Quoting: [link to www.tamilnation.org] "What is the use of knowing about everything else when you do not yet know who you are? Men avoid this enquiry into the true Self, but what else is there so worthy to be undertaken?... The only thing that keeps us from realization is the belief that we are not realized..." "Pursue the inquiry 'Who am I' relentlessly. Analyse your entire personality. Try to find out where the I-thought begins. Go on with your meditations. Keep turning your attention within. One day the wheel of thought will slow down and an intuition will mysteriously arise. Follow that intuition, let your thinking stop, and it will lead eventually to the goal." - Ramana Maharishi, quoted in 'In Days of Great Peace' by Mouni Sadhu |
CelticLegends User ID: 527784 United Kingdom 12/11/2008 08:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Zenguy, what would you say about this; I know someone who claims to have glimpsed Nirvana. It makes me think, "Oh yes, and why didn't you stay in Nirvana; didn't pack enough clothes?" lol So I wondered, is it possible to only glimpse Nirvana, and if so; why or what could lead to a person 'glimpsing' it and yet not staying 'in' it. ~ Peace It is the Thunderbolt that steers the Universe - Heraclitus |
Raphael User ID: 568180 Canada 12/11/2008 08:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Understandable, maybe this will clarify: Sayings of Ramana "What is the use of knowing about everything else when you do not yet know who you are? Men avoid this enquiry into the true Self, but what else is there so worthy to be undertaken?... The only thing that keeps us from realization is the belief that we are not realized..." "Pursue the inquiry 'Who am I' relentlessly. Analyse your entire personality. Try to find out where the I-thought begins. Go on with your meditations. Keep turning your attention within. One day the wheel of thought will slow down and an intuition will mysteriously arise. Follow that intuition, let your thinking stop, and it will lead eventually to the goal." - Ramana Maharishi, quoted in 'In Days of Great Peace' by Mouni Sadhu Ok you are being consistent. Now you have simply substituted the Sayings of Ramana for the Oracle of Delphi... ...whose sage advice, which has stood the test of spacetime, was something about knowing thyself...have you heard of the temple of Apollo where the oracle spewed her 'Phi' golden philosophy? ...the eastern vedas are colorful...BUT still just archetypes. ...what is the archetype that both the Oracle and Ramana are hinting at? DelPhi is the clue for the ewe to follow. Wanna come along Darza? Bring the Zenguy along. [link to kachina2012.wordpress.com] There is a message at the end of that blog above, I use a mudra to express it. It is only intended for those that prefer to continue shleeping. For those that enjoy the connections I am making...here is one of my favorites. Who has seen the film Pi? A film that concerns itself with the mystical Kabbalist number 216? [link to kachina2012.wordpress.com] I expose the ruse on this thread. I remove the veil that is meant to confuse the herd. namaste Raphael The swastika is an inherent part of Intelligent Design. [link to at37.wordpress.com] “A theory is more impressive the greater is the simplicity of its premise, the more different are the kinds of things it relates and the more extended its range of applicability…” -Einstein |
Darza User ID: 378572 Netherlands 12/11/2008 09:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now you have simply substituted the Sayings of Ramana for the Oracle of Delphi... Quoting: Raphael...whose sage advice, which has stood the test of spacetime, was something about knowing thyself...have you heard of the temple of Apollo where the oracle spewed her 'Phi' golden philosophy? ...the eastern vedas are colorful...BUT still just archetypes. ...what is the archetype that both the Oracle and Ramana are hinting at? DelPhi is the clue for the ewe to follow. Wanna come along Darza? Bring the Zenguy along. [link to kachina2012.wordpress.com] Thanks for the invite Raphael but i do not follow others. I am free from following. I see you studied. Archetypes are from the mind. Ramana was pointing to a state of being beyond waking/sleeping/deep sleep, the 4th state. No objective knowledge can get you there, just awareness. Objective knowledge becomes a hindrance on the spiritual path if one thinks one knows a lot. WHO is the knower? If you EXPERIENCED that answer you will have solved the koan. I liked the picture with the finger.lol |
Raphael User ID: 568180 Canada 12/11/2008 01:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you EXPERIENCED that answer you will have solved the koan. Quoting: DarzaI think I have solved it Darza. Isn't this the solution to the koan? Is it the fickle finger of fate award? Quoting: Darza namaste Raphael The swastika is an inherent part of Intelligent Design. [link to at37.wordpress.com] “A theory is more impressive the greater is the simplicity of its premise, the more different are the kinds of things it relates and the more extended its range of applicability…” -Einstein |
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Darza User ID: 378572 Netherlands 12/11/2008 02:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you EXPERIENCED that answer you will have solved the koan. Quoting: RaphaelI think I have solved it Darza. Isn't this the solution to the koan? Is it the fickle finger of fate award? I liked the picture with the finger.lol [link to civilizer.files.wordpress.com] namaste Raphael If you would have EXPERIENCED the answer you would not say "i think", you would KNOW, be doubtless about it. Not anybody else can answer for you whether you got it, only that you did not. If you THINK you have the answer, then you missed it. If you KNOW the answer not anybody can convince you otherwise. Then you know nothing.) The finger i consider a good sign, my young friends here are like that. I am guessing you do your own research. That is what is required to answer the koan. |
Raphael User ID: 568180 Canada 12/12/2008 01:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you would have EXPERIENCED the answer you would not say "i think", you would KNOW, be doubtless about it. Quoting: DarzaThe finger i consider a good sign, my young friends here are like that. I am guessing you do your own research. That is what is required to answer the koan. Semite semantics ... Left Right Brain exercises I wrote that in haste I usually say 'I feel'... What is it I feel? Golden [link to kachina2012.wordpress.com] yes I do my own unique research. namaste Raphael The swastika is an inherent part of Intelligent Design. [link to at37.wordpress.com] “A theory is more impressive the greater is the simplicity of its premise, the more different are the kinds of things it relates and the more extended its range of applicability…” -Einstein |
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Zenguy (OP) User ID: 563367 United States 12/13/2008 07:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What's on your mind? Quoting: Raphaelplease please please I have swirly things in my head, they need to exorcised, do you have a cure Zenguy? Meds? Quoting: Raphael Nice. I love symbols. Zen is Now. |
Zenguy (OP) User ID: 563367 United States 12/13/2008 07:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is the cat in the shoebox alive or dead? Quoting: Lost FishermanSchroedinger's cat, you mean? Like all existence, that cat is in a state of unconditioned potentiality that cannot be meaningfully ascribed to one static conceptual category or the other. Someone else put it better, though: There is no cat in the shoebox, only the pure light of the void. Quoting: 373696Zen is Now. |
Zenguy (OP) User ID: 563367 United States 12/13/2008 07:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Zenguy, Quoting: CelticLegendswhat would you say about this; I know someone who claims to have glimpsed Nirvana. It makes me think, "Oh yes, and why didn't you stay in Nirvana; didn't pack enough clothes?" lol So I wondered, is it possible to only glimpse Nirvana, and if so; why or what could lead to a person 'glimpsing' it and yet not staying 'in' it. ~ Peace If authentic, such a person would be a Bodhisattva - one who forgoes entry into Nirvana to "stay behind" and practice compassion. The person probably just did some acid, though. :) Zen is Now. |
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canislatrans User ID: 516342 United States 12/13/2008 08:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No idea what it is. Quoting: ZenguyI used to play WoW, but I quit. GO, the Chinese strategy game. [link to en.wikipedia.org] And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music. |
Zenguy (OP) User ID: 563367 United States 12/13/2008 08:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No idea what it is. Quoting: canislatransI used to play WoW, but I quit. GO, the Chinese strategy game. [link to en.wikipedia.org] Never played. Writing is my main hobby. Zen is Now. |
Apocalypse Troll Trollicus Apocalyptus User ID: 564516 United States 12/13/2008 08:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes can you tell me why a fart always smells worse in the shower Mr. Zen Guy? Quoting: ZenguyIt's an enclosed space. Plus, yours are unusually bad. Wrong, Zenless one. Cold showers will equal less smelly farts. The warm air in the shower excites the fart gas, making it want to expand more. The excited esters in the now excited fart gas now assault you with renewed ferocity. Fart in a steam room, if you dare... "Honor the Texas flag; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible." [link to www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us] |
canislatrans User ID: 516342 United States 12/13/2008 08:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wrong, Zenless one. Quoting: Apocalypse TrollCold showers will equal less smelly farts. The warm air in the shower excites the fart gas, making it want to expand more. The excited esters in the now excited fart gas now assault you with renewed ferocity. Fart in a steam room, if you dare... Learn something new every day! And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music. |
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