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UNBELIEVABLE: "DUMBER THAN DIRT" AMERICAN SCHOOLS GET RID OF "F's" - NOW NO KID CAN FAIL!

 
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UNBELIEVABLE: "DUMBER THAN DIRT" AMERICAN SCHOOLS GET RID OF "F's" - NOW NO KID CAN FAIL!
Are Students Coddled? Schools Get Rid of 'F's

For more students nationwide, the grading alphabet ends at "D," as school districts eliminate policies that allow children to be given failing marks.

At public schools in Grand Rapids, Mich., high school students will no longer receive "F"s but instead will earn the letter "H" when their work falls woefully short.

Superintendent Bernard Taylor told ABCNews.com that the "H" stands for "held," and is a system designed to give students a second chance on work that was not up to par.

"I never see anyone doing anything but punishing kids," said Taylor. "If the choice is between letting kids fail and giving them another opportunity to succeed, I'm going to err on the side of opportunity."

Students in Taylor's district can choose to retake the course, do extra work online or decide on a different remedial action with their teacher.

But if the work has not been rectified within 12 weeks, Taylor said the student will still receive a failing grade.

At one Boston area middle school, a policy known as "Zeros Aren't Permitted" gives students who do not complete their homework on time an opportunity during school hours to finish so that they do not fail the assignment.

The school principal explained that the policy was implemented in hopes of preventing "students from failing homework assignments and slipping through the cracks of the education system."

But school administrators, child psychologists and even parents disagree over whether the controversial policy in school grading may actually be detrimental to children in the long run.


Are Schools Coddling Children?
Alan Kazdin, a professor of psychology and child psychiatry at Yale University, believes that schools that veer away from giving children the grades they have earned  even when it's a zero or an "F"  aren't doing anyone any good.

"Children aren't going to gain from ambiguous information regarding their grades," said Kazdin.

"The fact is children are failing yet we don't want to call it that," said Kazdin. "It's this whole notion that everyone's a winner and everyone gets a trophy."

Kazdin argues that children are perceptive enough that they will eventually realize they aren't doing well in school whether teachers give them "F"s or not, and that hiding their true level of achievement will only confuse them further.

"The task is to change the reality, not the labeling of it," he said.

Providing detailed feedback on what children can do to improve their grades is imperative, said Kazdin. While students may feel initially feel demoralized when they receive a failing grade, Kazdin said that by providing them with specific ways to improve their class standing they will eventually benefit from the traditional grading system.

But the director of programs for the National Parent Teacher Association, Sherri Johnson, maintains that as more research emerges about the different ways children learn, the grading system needs to be tweaked accordingly.

"Research shows that children develop and learn at different paces and in different ways," said Johnson.

"Schools have to move toward more of a portfolio process in measuring progress and learning," she said. "A student may get an 'A' but that report card should also show where there are opportunities for improvement."

Johnson said that with the nation's drop out rate hovering around 30 percent, schools should be doing whatever they can to prevent students from getting so discouraged that they give up on their education.


Students and Grades
"By the time many students get to high school some have probably experienced so much failure on paper that they ask themselves, 'what's the point?'" said Johnson.
"For kids to see an 'F' on their work is deflating," she said.

But mom Alison Rhodes says that a little disappointment may not be so bad for the generation that has become accustomed to an "everyone is a winner" lifestyle.

"I think we're setting these kids up for failure and unrealistic exercitations because there is a consequence for not trying your best," said Rhodes, who is also known as TV's "Safety Mom." "You can't slack off and still expect to win."

"[A system where] there are no zeros or 'F's is coddling them and sending them the wrong message," she said. "A dose of reality and tough love is what they need."


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I ripped my son's teacher a new one, for allowing him to retake a test he failed. I went all the way to the school superintendent to make sure the failing grade stuck.

You wouldn't believe what teachers/parents have called me for doing that.
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I have no kids...but this is just BS. How the hell do you learn to succeed if you don't learn to fail first?
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I ripped my son's teacher a new one, for allowing him to retake a test he failed. I went all the way to the school superintendent to make sure the failing grade stuck.

You wouldn't believe what teachers/parents have called me for doing that.
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Yes I would.......... ASSHOLE!

Ha Ha
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That's what summer school is for - bring up those F's.
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I have no kids...but this is just BS. How the hell do you learn to succeed if you don't learn to fail first?
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Well stated.
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they must've misunderstood when Gene Kranz said "failure is not an option"
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they must've misunderstood when Gene Kranz said "failure is not an option"
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chuckle Good one.
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They need to give them an "R" for RE-RE and make them ride the short bus.

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FUCK!!!!!
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FUCK!!!!!
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And we thought the purple ink was bad. (Replacing the red ink to not offend the students when marking up their paper)

If Uncle Sam wasn't in a coma, he would have a heart attack.


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blink Way to prepare kids for real life and holding a job and stuff. Lame!
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When I was teaching HS, I got rid of the D grade. Told the kids flat out that if you cannot do at least C level work and performance, then you should fail because D stands for Dumb-as-a-brick and lazy and happy with mediocre.

The only exceptions I made were for some of the special ed kids who just did what they could do, but could not get a C grade.

Surprisingly, my classes often had the lowest failure rates in the school as the kids understood what I was trying to do and that I would not accept anything less than more effort on their part.

Took a while and a few rounds of a lot of F grades on papers and tests for them to get the idea that I was really serious about it.

Then they took to studying for tests and writing better essays.

If they are eliminating the F grade, then they should just go ahead and eliminate all the grades and just give out a Certificate of Attendance instead of an actual diploma.
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I think we all need to say a prayer for our teachers. Their jobs are already difficult. Now look what they have to deal with.

I suppose they will just become babysitters. It is too bad for the smart kids in the bunch.
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I see this as perfect timing.

Now the Obamanites can proclaim 100% graduation rates and at the same time, have a populace perfectly prepared to assume their government jobs.
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I think some of the trolls that have been posting on the board today graduated from those schools.
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I think some of the trolls that have been posting on the board today graduated from those schools.
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lmao

I think you are correct. The DD's. Dumber than Dirt.
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I see this as perfect timing.

Now the Obamanites can proclaim 100% graduation rates and at the same time, have a populace perfectly prepared to assume their government jobs.
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Ahhh...a conspiracy theory. How apropos!
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Conjunction of the verb - to be - in the new America

I be

you be

they be

we be
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Conjunction of the verb - to be - in the new America

I be

you be

they be

we be
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here let me finish that for you:

I be

you be

they be

we be

Amerika be DUMBER THAN DIRT.
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I think some of the trolls that have been posting on the board today graduated from those schools.
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Pretty funny coming from an AC who posted a "Useless Eaters Unite" post with nothing but dancing bananas for content.
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I'm so pissed off right now. Kids should be receiving confidence at home. The teacher's job does not include instilling confidence, morals, acceptance, tolerance, etc., in the students; it's their job to teach students the damn subject matter. That is it! If the students fail, fuck 'em.
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I think some of the trolls that have been posting on the board today graduated from those schools.


Pretty funny coming from an AC who posted a "Useless Eaters Unite" post with nothing but dancing bananas for content.
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"...dancing bananas"

chuckle
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I think some of the trolls that have been posting on the board today graduated from those schools.


Pretty funny coming from an AC who posted a "Useless Eaters Unite" post with nothing but dancing bananas for content.
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rofl
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What?!? Are we now teaching kids that there is always a safety net, and that no failure is permanent? If kids don't learn about failure as kids, then they won't try to avoid it as adults, when there is no do-over.
It's good to be open-minded, just don't let your brain fall out.
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LOL! Poor Spartacus - the irony was totally lost on him.
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NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND!

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Teaching our future generation they are not accountable for anything in life. They are "entitled".
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LOL! Poor Spartacus - the irony was totally lost on him.
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I don't miss anything.

Joke's on you, AC...check that....the joke IS you.

-- and you suck at irony.
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FAIL
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Who cares what the government does in it't brainwashing centers. Does anyone actually let there kids be reeducated in government schools? If your parents aren't smart enough to keep you out of these brainwashing centers you probably didn't have much of a chance to begin with.