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Hyper-Inflation vs. Deflation vs.....

 
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Hyper-Inflation vs. Deflation vs.....
Inflationary Depression


Hyper-Inflationary Depression


Deflationary Depression


Stagflationary Depression





Which one of these are you convinced will occur and why in 2009 and 2010?

And how are you positioning yourself to profit from it?



I think Jim Rogers is right. We're in a temporary deflationary period currently caused de-leveraging and 'assumed' flight to safety, but this deflation isn't based on fundamentals. It's a result of forced liquidation because of asset re-valuation within the past few months (level 3 assets mostly), and once this de-leveraging is completed by mid 2009 (we're about to enter a second wave of de-leveraging right now which should artificially drive the dollar higher temporarily), there will be a sharp reverse in trend and we will see hyper-inflation because the monetary base is being inflated astronomically, but it's not visible in the real economy because of the artificial deflationary pressures.

Also, remember that the Christmas retail figures report which comes out in February will be dismal, even mainstream puppetheads on the media are saying it. If you read into the plans of the large corporations, they are planning to lay-off 30% or more of their workforces after that report comes out, so late spring and summer will when we absolutely horrible for employment, there is little debate on that.

Today, the former credit controller for Freddie Mac in testimony before congress said we're looking at 8 MILLION more forclosues in 2009. Home prices will continue to drop and even if the government steps in to freeze forclosures or even bail out homeowners, you can expect another sharp increase in the monetary base because Quantitative Easing (printing money) is the only way to fund such high cost programs. Obamas insane proposal to add 2 million government workers and infrastructure programs will put us even more into debt (if they choose to fund it using paper) or debase the currency even more (if they choose the QE path). All these bailouts cost us over 7 trillion already and counting. Thats more money than all the wars America has ever fought combined!

Treasury yields on short term paper is basically in the negative if you factor in transaction fees. The only ones buying our debt are foreign holders who fear their own currencies rising sharply against the dollar which would hurt their exporters. So, the arabs and asians are stuck in a slight corner right now. But, they're not stupid. While they're reluctantly financing our debt, they're also hoarding gold like there is no tomorrow. Venezuela, Iran, China, Saudis, Russia, etc... hoarding gold at unprecedented levels.

There's a run happening on the Comex even now and for the first time in it's history we're seeing backwardation in that market (spot price above futures price indicating lost faith for paper backed gold and demand for physical delivery)The game is up pretty much. People want their physical gold because the price manipulation of Comex has become too blatant. No longer can the Rothschilds sink the Comex price by flooding it with short positions. The last delivery for this month on comex is December 31st and there's a likely chance that after that Comex will burst. As you know the dollar holds any value whatsoever is because gold is depressed artificially since the 70's. In fact, if it weren't for the artificial low Comex prices, the dollar wouldn't even be the reserve currency.

Anyway, if it's any sign of 'prophecy' or whatever look to what the top 10% of the wealthiest people are doing. They're liquidating and moving into hard assets. Now, do you think they would be doing that if we were headed into deflation? I don't think so, and the top 10% are all insiders. They're gearing up for hyper-inflation. The latest developments in the gold market are pointing to that. The Fed actions are pointing to that. The Treasury actions are pointing to that. Obama is pointing to that.

For a while, I was convinced that we were headed into permanent deflation because I thought all this deleveraging would be far greater than all the money being created out of thin air, alot of the deleveraging is almost over, and we're not even done with all the bailouts and so on. Deflation makes less and less sense.
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we are in biflation , all the shit you want is getting cheaper , all the shit you NEED is going up and up
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we are in biflation , all the shit you want is getting cheaper , all the shit you NEED is going up and up
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Ok, pop quiz mutha fucker. Gold, want it or NEED it?
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Hyperinflationary depression...
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we are in biflation , all the shit you want is getting cheaper , all the shit you NEED is going up and up
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lol...that's a great way of describing it Trench!

Besides, they took all the necessities out of the inflation index anyway...food, energy, etc...
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Right now it seems like a dirty mix.

We have deflation in liquid assets.

Inflation in alot of consumer products, while deflation in the other half of consumer products.

And the opposite of stagflation, which would be something like stag-deflation or something bazaar like that. Truly uncharted territory.
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we are in biflation , all the shit you want is getting cheaper , all the shit you NEED is going up and up

lol...that's a great way of describing it Trench!

Besides, they took all the necessities out of the inflation index anyway...food, energy, etc...
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its actually not my answer , if you know Dervish , he is very money savvy as in "international businessman" who now lives in Dubai, he provided the answer of biflation one night in a thread and Omega concurred..Credit given where credit is due..
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Right now it seems like a dirty mix.

We have deflation in liquid assets.

Inflation in alot of consumer products, while deflation in the other half of consumer products.

And the opposite of stagflation, which would be something like stag-deflation or something bazaar like that. Truly uncharted territory.
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This topic has been hashed and rehashed - conclusion we are fucked!
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we are in biflation , all the shit you want is getting cheaper , all the shit you NEED is going up and up


Ok, pop quiz mutha fucker. Gold, want it or NEED it?
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if you aint got skills i assume you need it..
“The difference between combat and sport is that in combat you
bury the guy who comes in second.”

"The more skills you have,the less shit you need"

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Deflation of all hard assets while seeing escalating costs of commodities and necessities is what's in store. When our economy is destroyed and all but the cops and security apparatus getstapo types have lost their jobs....that's when we'll see our lovely hyperinflationary period.

Obama's plan to replace our ravaged economy with road work jobs payed for with fiat currency doesn't seem promising. Unless your a cop, drug dealer, arms dealer, security consultant or soldier, you will not have a pot to piss in when everything's said and done. We're all doomed one way or another.
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we are in biflation , all the shit you want is getting cheaper , all the shit you NEED is going up and up


Ok, pop quiz mutha fucker. Gold, want it or NEED it?
if you aint got skills i assume you need it..
 Quoting: Trench


Oh no, you gots to tell me is it a want or need?
Is it getting cheaper or going up?
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Re: Hyper-Inflation vs. Deflation vs.....
Inflationary Depression


Hyper-Inflationary Depression


Deflationary Depression


Stagflationary Depression





Which one of these are you convinced will occur and why in 2009 and 2010?

 Quoting: We're So Screwed!!! 567731



Anyone who knows economics knows this: HYPERINFLATION IS COMING SOON.

How to deal with it? MOVE TO South America, Germany, or Australia.

GET OUT while you can!
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we are in biflation , all the shit you want is getting cheaper , all the shit you NEED is going up and up


Ok, pop quiz mutha fucker. Gold, want it or NEED it?
if you aint got skills i assume you need it..


Oh no, you gots to tell me is it a want or need?
Is it getting cheaper or going up?
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i dont know, its not important to me...i could give a shit less..
“The difference between combat and sport is that in combat you
bury the guy who comes in second.”

"The more skills you have,the less shit you need"

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Re: Hyper-Inflation vs. Deflation vs.....
Inflationary Depression


Hyper-Inflationary Depression


Deflationary Depression


Stagflationary Depression





Which one of these are you convinced will occur and why in 2009 and 2010?




Anyone who knows economics knows this: HYPERINFLATION IS COMING SOON.

How to deal with it? MOVE TO South America, Germany, or Australia.

GET OUT while you can!
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Thought about it. They will hate Americans an hunt you down.
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Inflationary Depression


Hyper-Inflationary Depression


Deflationary Depression


Stagflationary Depression





Which one of these are you convinced will occur and why in 2009 and 2010?




Anyone who knows economics knows this: HYPERINFLATION IS COMING SOON.

How to deal with it? MOVE TO South America, Germany, or Australia.

GET OUT while you can!


Thought about it. They will hate Americans an hunt you down.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 566527



You can move to Singapore. English is like a second language there and they won't hunt you down. But to live there, I think you have to prove you have some use to the economy. If you've got a degree in something tangible like accounting or whatever, you can get a permanent residency there. Wealth is moving to Asia big time now, and where wealth goes, so goes power.
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we are in biflation , all the shit you want is getting cheaper , all the shit you NEED is going up and up


Ok, pop quiz mutha fucker. Gold, want it or NEED it?
if you aint got skills i assume you need it..


Oh no, you gots to tell me is it a want or need?
Is it getting cheaper or going up?

i dont know, its not important to me...i could give a shit less..
 Quoting: Trench


No! It matters Mutha Fucker!
Biflation is horse shit. Markets are not functioning.
What you call "biflation" is a symptom thereof.
The markets are not functioning because they are being manipulated.
They are being manipulated because TPTB are trying to put fiat currency on life support.

The dollar will crash. Gold will go up.

It's not important to you? Bullshit!

Reading your posts - it's what's for breakfast!

DOOM BABY!!!
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I said hyperinflation, but I forgot to mention I was buying silver to position myself.
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I said hyperinflation, but I forgot to mention I was buying silver to position myself.
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Real estate is also a good idea. Precious metal coins could always get stolen, or even worse, the govt. could do another confiscation of gold like in the 30's. Than where you gonna sell those silver coins? At least real estate they won't confiscate. Even under their New World Order model, private ownership of real estate is embedded in there. If China is their model, than real estate should be a safe hedge.
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I said hyperinflation, but I forgot to mention I was buying silver to position myself.



Real estate is also a good idea. Precious metal coins could always get stolen, or even worse, the govt. could do another confiscation of gold like in the 30's. Than where you gonna sell those silver coins? At least real estate they won't confiscate. Even under their New World Order model, private ownership of real estate is embedded in there. If China is their model, than real estate should be a safe hedge.
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I meant confiscation of gold and silver and all precisous metals, unlike the 30's
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I said hyperinflation, but I forgot to mention I was buying silver to position myself.



Real estate is also a good idea. Precious metal coins could always get stolen, or even worse, the govt. could do another confiscation of gold like in the 30's. Than where you gonna sell those silver coins? At least real estate they won't confiscate. Even under their New World Order model, private ownership of real estate is embedded in there. If China is their model, than real estate should be a safe hedge.


I meant confiscation of gold and silver and all precisous metals, unlike the 30's
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Yeah, I'll just hide them if they come to confiscate.

I have all different sizes. I won't sell them for money. I'll use them to buy food or a horse.

They are bartering and inflation hedge tools.

Real Estate is good to if you can pay it off.

I am just a student, I rent a place.

I'd say invest in a good food storage before silver or land.
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I said hyperinflation, but I forgot to mention I was buying silver to position myself.



Real estate is also a good idea. Precious metal coins could always get stolen, or even worse, the govt. could do another confiscation of gold like in the 30's. Than where you gonna sell those silver coins? At least real estate they won't confiscate. Even under their New World Order model, private ownership of real estate is embedded in there. If China is their model, than real estate should be a safe hedge.


I meant confiscation of gold and silver and all precisous metals, unlike the 30's



Yeah, I'll just hide them if they come to confiscate.

I have all different sizes. I won't sell them for money. I'll use them to buy food or a horse.

They are bartering and inflation hedge tools.

Real Estate is good to if you can pay it off.

I am just a student, I rent a place.

I'd say invest in a good food storage before silver or land.
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You could always stick the coins up your ass like the guy in Pulp Fiction did with the watch.
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I said hyperinflation, but I forgot to mention I was buying silver to position myself.



Real estate is also a good idea. Precious metal coins could always get stolen, or even worse, the govt. could do another confiscation of gold like in the 30's. Than where you gonna sell those silver coins? At least real estate they won't confiscate. Even under their New World Order model, private ownership of real estate is embedded in there. If China is their model, than real estate should be a safe hedge.


I meant confiscation of gold and silver and all precisous metals, unlike the 30's



Yeah, I'll just hide them if they come to confiscate.

I have all different sizes. I won't sell them for money. I'll use them to buy food or a horse.

They are bartering and inflation hedge tools.

Real Estate is good to if you can pay it off.

I am just a student, I rent a place.

I'd say invest in a good food storage before silver or land.
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Ouch, thats a pretty pessimistic view of the future. If it comes down to a barter economy, than it's a whole new ball game, but it's highly unlikely that the entire world would go into barter, maybe just the US, but why would you stick around for that.
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I'll stick around because I am in Alaska. I can make it here.

To the poster with the Pulp Fiction thing, I am not going to a fucking POW camp. There are plenty of better hiding places than my anus.

Even if I don't have to barter with the coins, the will always hold their value as a strong investment.
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I'll stick around because I am in Alaska. I can make it here.

To the poster with the Pulp Fiction thing, I am not going to a fucking POW camp. There are plenty of better hiding places than my anus.

Even if I don't have to barter with the coins, the will always hold their value as a strong investment.
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If the SHTF, Alaska might secede from the Union. They have every reason to do so. Dollar would be useless, Alaska has tons of oil. It would be a rich country.
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I'll stick around because I am in Alaska. I can make it here.

To the poster with the Pulp Fiction thing, I am not going to a fucking POW camp. There are plenty of better hiding places than my anus.

Even if I don't have to barter with the coins, the will always hold their value as a strong investment.
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Yeah, I'd rather hide them on a neighbor's property, somebody I didn't like. That way, if they're discovered, they take him away, and at least I can appropriate the land...so it's not a total loss...

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I'll stick around because I am in Alaska. I can make it here.

To the poster with the Pulp Fiction thing, I am not going to a fucking POW camp. There are plenty of better hiding places than my anus.

Even if I don't have to barter with the coins, the will always hold their value as a strong investment.

Yeah, I'd rather hide them on a neighbor's property, somebody I didn't like. That way, if they're discovered, they take him away, and at least I can appropriate the land...so it's not a total loss...

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I believe the bank would be appropriating that land. The only thing you'd be appropriating is a big ass beating once the guy gets out of prison and realizes that it was obviously you who planted the 'contraband'
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I'll stick around because I am in Alaska. I can make it here.

To the poster with the Pulp Fiction thing, I am not going to a fucking POW camp. There are plenty of better hiding places than my anus.

Even if I don't have to barter with the coins, the will always hold their value as a strong investment.



If the SHTF, Alaska might secede from the Union. They have every reason to do so. Dollar would be useless, Alaska has tons of oil. It would be a rich country.
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That would be sweet. We have lots of mining going on with copper, gold, coal, and other shit.

We could definitely take care of ourselves up here, all half a million of us.

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