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100% Proof that 2012 is the real deal - Read!!!!

 
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One of the most interesting calendar coincidences in relation to the Mayan 2012 information, is the similarity between the start dates of the last long count cycle of the Mayan system and the Hindu’s Kali Yuga. Yuga’s are vast periods of time, epoch’s that relate to the Earths journey around a cosmological central sun. The four Yuga (Satya Yuga, Treta Yuga, Dvapara Yuga and Kali Yuga) together make up an entire world age between creation and destruction events, held to be around 4,320,000 years in total duration.

Most 21-12-2012 researchers are aware of the 3114BCE start date of the current long count cycle, less people are aware however that the Kali Yuga, a predicted era of moral decent and spiritual bleakness, began in the year 3102BCE. A startling similarity, a mere 12 years difference for systems on different sides of the planet. The Brahma Vaivarta Purana Sutra from ancient India depicts a period which has many of the failings visible in our modern society, such is the backdrop of the spiritual decline in the Kali Yuga.

It is however a mistake for people to seek a link between the Mayan 2012 end-date and the closing of the Kali Yuga. Though their starts may have links the ends do not (although some suggest this is an error). The Kali Yuga is set to continue on for a vast period of time, at least 432,000 years, well eclipsing the 5126 years of the Mayan Long Count. Scholars from philosophies such as Buddhism, and from religions such as Brahmanist Hinduism, often discuss ages as being many millions of years long, entire vast Kalpa of time are addressed.

There is an excellent Buddhist parable that depicts visually an era of time described as an Aeon, far more effectively than a string of numbers. A teacher monk explains that an eon can be likened to the great stone mountain Meru. Once every year a man passes the mountain and lightly brushed against it a strip of the finest silk. The mountain will be completely worn away by his action well before the aeon closes.

Its worth noting that the Buddhist philosophy does not tend to hold with the idea that a time of any great Universal significance will happen in our near future, every moment carries the same inherent problems and their solutions. The only significant events predicted or prophesised are the ending the vast epochs, or the extremely intermittent arising of new Buddha’s. There have been suggestions in relation to 2012, that the next Buddha will arise at this time in a rather Judeo-Christian end of days scenario. Unfortunately anyone educated in Buddhist lore will know that it is made clear that fully enlightened Buddha’s only arise millions of years apart. Buddhism is prophesised to completely disappear during the Kali Yuga, and that during that time it will be virtually impossible for seekers to find any opportunity for spiritual realisation at all by any system known now. Only when such utter darkness has shrouded the world will another being become fully realised wholly by their own efforts, without any guidance, and become the next Buddha, named Maitreya.

The most notable discussion on the Kali Yuga by Buddhist teachers actually refers to how lucky a being is to be born as a human in such a time. To quote the master wisdom teacher Pabongka Rimpoche, “Most important of all through this physical rebirth you are able to achieve the state of Vajradhara [unification of the illusory body and great bliss] within one short lifetime in this degenerate age; otherwise it would take thee countless great aeons to achieve. Thus this rebirth is worth more than one thousand billion precious jewels.”

21-12-2012 may close a cycle of time related to consciousness change within our species, after all the Mayans were highly focussed on biological and environmental cycles. It would make sense that they had tried to do the same with psychological and spiritual forces. This would be in accordance with the great Asiatic measures of Yuga and Kulpa, as they too relate to the evolution of human consciousness. This considerably shorter cycle of the Long Count would only relate to a significant change in thought process’s however, not to a sudden total self enlightenment of the human species in totality. Even if we take into account the entire Great Year of the Galactic Alignment (26,000 years max.) it is vastly less that the periods Asiatic teachers consider necessary for super-massive consciousness upgrades.

The talk of 2012 consciousness change is by needs somewhat vague, nobody knows for sure just what might happen. That said it is wise to perhaps disregard the position which suggests suddenly every person on Earth will automatically become fully enlightened spiritual beings, ready to embrace a world of spiritual concerns, peace and compassion. It is self evident that the last time a Great Year period ended we did not have this happen, nor in prior cycles. The fact is that we are still here and not fully self realised, so we know it does not tend to happen that way. Whether perhaps some certain persons were especially effected or did somehow ascend to a higher dimension remains possible, but as stated that’s not everyone on Earth.

If this cycle is important in regards to the evolution of consciousness then its more likely that the effect is far more subtle, either an evolutionary change in our neurological system, or perhaps a general refinement of the functioning of mental energies. The advantage given would perhaps make self realisation somewhat easier only because the tools, the technology of self development, gets upgraded. If you were a psychopath on 20-12-2012 it strikes me unlikely that even this cosmic-consciousness change will cause you to become a saint in under 24hrs.

Is God Dead?In the start of the great thinker (oddball) Nietzsche’s book, ‘Thus Spake Zarathustra’, it is stated that ‘God is dead’. Actually this concept, if widely excepted, would make more of a change to our society then any evolutionary force imaginable to us. Currently the vast majority of the planet is operating under a system of belief that a Supreme being wrote or dictated a book of rules for them to live by, all open of course to a plethora of personal interpretation. Inclusive in these system are various promised punishments or rewards dependant on obedience to the set of rules given, the old carrot and the stick to move the donkey along routine.

This abhorrent position, as discussed here in an excellent related article, means that the vast majority of the planet is incapable of helping change the orientation of the species toward an optimum direction if it contradicts something in a book. In my own library here I have copies of many spiritual texts including those of the four major theistic traditions, Christianity, Islam, Judaism and Hindusim. I have also many other books, plenty of them are extremely wise and have much to offer. If however I simply picked one and said I would only act if my actions were guided by that book that would doubtless lead to great problems.

Taking guidance from each book is only helpful up to a point, its my own mind and spirit that must be constant and able for the task of self realisation and environmental improvements. If before I can act I must consult a book, clearly there is something wrong with me, I should be able to do the optimum action immediately with no conscious thought whilst functioning at my optimum ability. Compassion should become my very nature at every moment and guide every action.

The best thing that could happen on 2012 might just be that people would put down their various books for a moment and take a long hard searching look within themselves. Before we rush headlong into a new period of economic and religious wars, we should surely pause for deep reflection. There are many questions I would want each to ask themselves first.

Do we really want a world split into two halves, one mainly poor, downtrodden and subverted by religious fanatics, and the other wealthy but ruthlessly controlled by New World Order dictators?

Wouldn’t our children be thankful to us for not having allowed that to happen?

Would the creative force that makes up the very fibre of all existence, that is the material of our core spirits, need to write an instruction manual for life, like some cheaply paid Ikea furniture manufacturer?

Most of the worlds great spiritual teachers have made it clear that every human has the ability to better themselves and raise themselves to the level we might call ‘saintly’. Yet each is also unique and will requires different focus, efforts, and forms of assistance from others. The only absolute equality and connection between each person is the actual energy of consciousness on which they run and from which they draw their ‘self existence’. To discover how they should then best proceed they should not ask someone else or read a certain text, first they should just try to take a period of reflection and get to grips with whom they are and what issues they need to work on.

This process means that if they then go for help or read advisory material, they can then refine from it the part useful to them in particular rather than being treated to a ‘one size fits all’ solution. That structure may work for cheap T-Shirt manufacturers, but seems woefully inefficient for the enlightenment of an eternal spiritual being constructed of pure consciousness energy.

When we allow books to instruct us in doing something wrong, perhaps even evil, we cant blame the books. If I subjugate a women or take someone as a slave I know it is wrong without picking a book up of my shelf. I don’t need to find a psalm or Sutra to know that killing and stealing are grossly unfair and cruel. Even the mundane ups and downs of my day are filled with actions that I am aware of being either optimal or substandard. I find it naïve to believe that whilst a mob stones someone to death for blasphemy or, rapes someone because they are seen as a lower caste, that the individuals are not all aware that they are in fact in the wrong. If a God were to state otherwise then it would have to be a wicked and evil entity, one to be exorcised by the might of our compassion. Whilst humans cut each other to ribbons or apply mind numbingly cruel tortures to one another, they speak about there adherence to the rules of some divine, loving and compassionate God. To me this is greatly unsettling, when we begin to call quite evil actions ‘good’, then we are in real trouble.

If I could wish for anything to happen on the 21-12-2012 it would simply be that everyone one of us for a moment dropped any external guiding principles from our minds, both religious and social rules. Then just sat quietly and analysed what it means to be alive, a human, compassionate, and a seeker of happiness. Before picking up any of the old ways they could first bring themselves up to speed and better understand these basic guiding forces. We are all here together in this great web we call life, we are all in human form, each of us desires happiness and all would be happier if everyone was compassionate.

Having realised that situation we could then observe that even when no other is doing an action that would be causing us harm, we can still lack lasting happiness. Finally there would be no ability to avoid the obvious cause of our fluctuating emotional states, that its all within us, not somewhere ‘out there’. From that point on self-realisation and enlightenment are observable phenomena just on the horizon of our self existence, finally.


“One of the most curious things in the structure of our psyche is that we all want to be told because we are the result of the propaganda of ten thousand years. We want to have our thinking confirmed and corroborated by another, whereas to ask a question is to ask it of yourself. What I say has very little value. You will forget it the moment you shut this book, or you will remember and repeat certain phrases, or you will compare what you have read here with some other book – but you will not face your own life. And that is all that matters – your life, yourself, your pettiness, your shallowness, your brutality, your violence, your greed, your ambition, your daily agony Kaliand endless sorrow – that is what you have to understand and nobody on earth or in heaven is going to save you from it but yourself.”
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this article was taken from this website :www.2012rising.com
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Just thought I'd let you know that if any of you are religious then you can't believe in 2012 because every god says you will never know the end of the world.
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there is no God

2012 IS NOT REAL!

such a year does not exist, will not exist ever!

we will go from 2011 straight to 2013, mark my words you '2012 is real' people.
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Yuu are full of Bullshit. go back to school.

did you know, after the end of the mayan calender, in 2012, it starts right back up?

and that it has ended before?

jesus will come back, when he is ready, and we are not.

that is all that matters.
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Haha. your such an ignorant bastard. Jesus doesn't exist. Religion is something mankind created to have people listen.
Some ruler was like "These people aren't listening. THey'll listen to a God"

If your Jesus existed the world wouldn't worry about ending, or getting shot when walking out of a house or war.


The Mayan calender is not actuate. It is off by maybe months or years and it starts all over again. Notice how it ended on the Winter Solstice.
Look at a calender today. Begins on Jan and ends on Dec.
All calenders have to end at some point.
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I dont think you are in any position to be dictating who and who is not an "ignorant bastard". How can you justify criticizing someone for believing in God or Jesus and yet get angry at people for not believing in theories that you seem so sure are 100% accurate.

on a side note, this whole forum is unnecessary. Nothing angers me more than seeing others dictate to one another, as though they have some spiritual insight into information that others are not blessed with. It is a shame that some people cannot open their minds to at least ponder the idea that something substantial will happen in 2012, as well as it is annoying that others cannot open their minds to consider that absolutely nothing will happen.

For the sake of not wasting people time, I will give my opinion, but would like to make clear that this is only my opinion, and I in no way believe that i am right....

Out of all the theories out there at the moment, there is only one that seems plausible to me: We were put here by something else, a long time ago. Religion, civilisation, knowledge and progression can all be explained in great detail within this theory: Why do all religions seem to share such similar stories? Because they are the same story, Why are we obsessed with space and create images of men or angles coming down from the sky to warn us or give us knowledge? probably because they did... Scriptures describe angels descending from the skies in silver boats (sounds like a spaceship to me), or angels descending on golden shields (UFO much?).

I could go on, but is there really any point? what does it matter if I am right, or wrong...

I think it is good to share views on what we all think will happen in 2012. It helps prepare people for what might, or might not happen. But please, stop with the preaching! you are not some higher being, you do NOT know what will happen, and it is morally wrong to tell people, or make them believe in something that has absolutely no fact behind it.
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Coincidentially they are all mystery satanic religions :P

They merely told the devils plans for the world in 2012.
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21st December 2012 will be a cleansing of the earth everything will be destroyed and replaced with a new fresh world.
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Personally, i just think yall that belive this whole 2012 is real thing are right. 2012 is a year. It comes after 2011 and before 2013. We will have a president elected, odds are someone will get in a car crash, but Aliens will not invade Earth and eat our brains, we arnt going to "merge with another dimension and become "one" ", and we are certainatly not all gonna die.

Well, im sure SOMEONE in a hospital or SOMEONE in the world will die, but probably of a disease or a gunshot....
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Dispelling the myths about 2012

© Maurice Cotterell, 2009




Dispelling the myths about 2012


Part 1

Myth number 1; It is said that the Maya measured time using a ‘vigesimal numerical system’;

The Maya used the following periods of time with which to measure time intervals;

Kinchilitun Calabtun Pictun Baktun Katun Tun Uinal Kin

1,152,000,000 57,600,000 2,880,000 144,000 7,200 360 20 1

This is not a Vigesimal System. A Vigesimal system rises by factors of 20

A Vigesimal system looks like this;

1,280,000,000 64,000,000 3,200,000 160,000 8,000 400 20 1

Conclusion: The Maya did not use a Vigesimal system.



Myth number 2; The Maya ‘Long Count’ of 1,872,000 days (5,125.256674 years) is the ‘end of a Maya time cycle’ that began in 3114BC and will end on 21.12. 2012.

1,872,000 days = 13 periods of 144,000 days

Kinchilitun Calabtun Pictun Baktun Katun Tun Uinal Kin

1,152,000,000 57,600,000 2,880,000 144,000 7,200 360 20 1

? ? ? 13 0 0 0 0

But the definition of ‘cycle’ is ‘a complete series of events’. A complete series of events here could only transpire when all of the time periods (including those marked ‘?’) return to zero. The period 1,872,000 cannot therefore represent a cycle or the ‘end of a cycle’. At best it can only be considered to be 13/20ths of the Pictun, the next largest period.

Conclusion; 1,872,000 cannot represent a ‘cycle’ of time and therefore cannot represent the end of a cycle of time.



Myth number 3; The period 1,872,000 is the ‘longest time interval’ found carved on a Maya monument and therefore represents the ‘end of time’ or the ‘end of the Maya Calendar’.

This is not true. Other carved dates have been found that exceed 1,872,000, for example;

On Stela N, at Copan, six periods, including the Pictun, have been found, showing a period of 42,908,400 days.

On the west Panel at the Temple of Inscriptions, at Palenque, six (possibly seven) periods are found showing an interval of 455,393,401 days.

On Stela 10, at Tikal, eight (possibly nine) periods are found showing a time interval of 1,841,639,800 days.

Conclusion; The number 1,872,000 representing the date ? ? ? 13 0 0 0 0, is neither ‘the end of time’ nor the ‘end of the Maya Calendar’.
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Myth number 4; The 21st December 2012 is the ‘end date’ of the 25,800 year precession cycle.

The cycle of precession refers to the long-term wobble of the earth on its axis. As it wobbles it moves backwards through [relative to] the backdrop of stars known as the astronomical and astrological ‘zodiac’. But the Astrological zodiac, relative to the Earth’s movement through the heavens in one year, begins with the ‘first sign of the zodiac’, Aries, and ends on the last day of Pisces. The backwards precession cycle therefore moves from the last day of Pisces to the first day of Aries over 25,800 years. The Sun, therefore, sweeps through each sign of the zodiac every 2,150 years. We are soon to enter the zodiacal sign of Aquarius, although the exact date of entry is not known [estimates, from various researchers, range from AD2060 through to
AD2100—we do know that when Thebes was the centre of power in Egypt, Apis the bull (Taurus) was worshipped, suggesting that at that period the Earth’s axis was pointing towards the constellation of Taurus. 2,150 years later, at Luxor, the Ram headed Sphinx (of Aries) was worshipped. 2,150 years later Pisces the fish was revered with the appearance of Christ, represented by the vesica pisces, the fish, formed by the overlapping circles of the planet Venus (known as the morning star and the evening star)]. This is to say that the zodiac is presently moving from Pisces into Aquarius (not from Aries into Pisces). Hence the Earth’s axis (precession cycle start) is not coincident with the zodiac ‘start point’ of Aries which occurred around 2,150 years ago and will not happen again for another 23,650 years. Therefore the Earth’s axis will not, in 2012, point towards the ‘start’ of a new precession cycle as defined in zodiacal terms.

Conclusion; The precession cycle is not about to come to an end of a cycle. The most recent precession cycle began around 2,150 years ago as the Earth’s axis passed from Aries through Pisces. [1/12th of the precession cycle has already passed].
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Myth number 5; The Earth’s precession cycle will cross the galactic equator at sunrise on 21st December 2012.

The original proponent of this hypothesis, set-down in 1997, suggested that the Sunrise on 21st December 2012 will, as it drifts through the 25,800 year precession cycle, align with a ‘cloud of cosmic dust’ in the Milky Way. This entire concept is meaningless because the rising of the Sun must align with something in the heavens on any one day.

Following ridicule of the claim, proponents searched long and hard for any astronomical evidence that may lend support. Shortly after, another researcher drew a line through the ecliptic of the Milky Way (which happened to also go through the cloud of ‘alignment dust’) claiming it to be the ‘the centre-line of the galactic ecliptic —the ‘galactic equator’—saying that the precession cycle would cut through the line in 1998. But, firstly, the line is merely a guess. It contains no mathematical support. In order to construct such a line the mass of every celestial body in the Milky Way (every star, every planet, every rock, every comet and every particle of cosmic dust) would need to be quantified by mass; each body would then need to be set down relative to every other; a linear regression of the data would need to be made and then a mass trend-line constructed. But such a task would be impossible to carry out. Moreover, the result of the centre-line guess showed that ‘galactic alignment’ would occur in 1998, not 2012. To overcome this 14-year discrepancy the 21.12.2012 alignment proponents introduced a margin of error saying that the Sun would take 36 years to cross the centre-line, representing ‘era-2012’, from 1980-2016.

Hence, the ‘cloud of dust’ alignment hypothesis is irrational, the ‘centre-line of the galaxy’ hypothesis is non-quantifiable, and the alignment with the centre of the galaxy on 21.12.2012 has changed to sometime between ‘1980–2016’.

Moreover, the entire notion fails because no physical ‘cycle’ of events has been shown to occur during the precession cycle [for example, one solar ‘cycle’ on Earth occurs as the earth revolves around the Sun once every year. As that happens the duration of daylight at specific latitudes varies, because the earth is tilted on its axis. The variations in daylight cause plant life to grow and die annually]. No scientific evidence of any ‘series of changes’ has been put forward by proponents of the ‘galactic cycle alignment hypothesis’.

Conclusion; The galactic alignment hypothesis is without scientifically verifiable foundation.

Myth Number 6; On the 21st December 2012 ‘Myth number 5’ (above) will usher in a new 25,800 year cycle of ‘consciousness’.

No scientifically verifiable mechanism has been proven to substantiate this claim.

Conclusion; the claim is without foundation.
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Myth Number 7; Cosmic dust eruptions from the centre of the Milky Way cause ice-ages on Earth.

The claim is that the centre of our galaxy spews out dust periodically that covers the earth periodically, causing the onset of ice ages and mini ice-ages on earth. However, we know that the Sun’s neutral magnetic sheet reverses its magnetic field 5 times every 18,139 years.
When the magnetic field is positive is sucks galactic dust into the solar system and when it is negative it pushes dust out of the solar system (or vice versa). We know that Sunspot cycles correspond to mini ice-ages on earth. Hence, it is not the dust that causes mini ice-ages (or ice ages) on earth but the Sun’s reversing magnetic field. The dust is merely symptomatic of the solar reversal ice-age mechanism.

Conclusion; the claim is unproven.
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Myth number 8; Cosmic dust bombards the solar system causing variations in thought processes and DNA in living organisms.

No scientifically verifiable mechanism has been put forward to support this hypothesis.

Conclusion; the claim has not been verified.
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So what is the meaning of the 1,872,000 number, if any, and from what, or where, did the 21.12.2012 misunderstandings arise?

The Book of Chilam [the Prophet] Balam [the Jaguar] of Chumayel [found in the town of Chumayel] was set down by the Maya prophet in around 1500–1520 and translated from the Maya language in 1931 by the American scholar Ralph Roys (University of Oklahoma Press, 1931…1937). (Note; the term Jaguar was used as a metaphor for the ‘golden sun with brown spots [sunspots])’. Page 134 gives the following prophecies;

Unattainable is the bread in Katun 13 Ahau. The Sun shall be eclipsed. Double is the charge of the Katun: men without offspring, chiefs without successors. For five days the Sun shall be eclipsed, then it shall be seen again. This is the charge of Katun 13 Ahau’.

But how are we to interpret the statement?

(i)

A Katun period is 7,200 days long.
Ahau is the last (20th) day in the Maya 20 day month.

Does the statement mean Katun 13 Ahau?
= Katun 13 x 20 = Katun 260 = 7,200 x 260 =
1,872,000 = 5,125.25 years.

Which, if counted forward from the Maya Calendar Start date in 3114BC brings
us to the 2012 date.

(ii)

Or does it mean Katun13 Ahau? i.e. the last day called Ahau in Katun numbered 13 = 13 x 7,200 = 93,600 = 256.2628 years.

The Books of Chilam Balam make it clear (Appendix H p205) that;

‘…the Katun is named for the day on which it ends’

Meaning that Katun 13 Ahau refers to (ii) ‘the last day of Katun 13’, i.e. the 93,600th day

And goes on (p204) to list the dates of Katun 13 Ahau as;
AD 511
768
1024
1280
1536 the list can be continued by adding 256.2628 years to the accumulating figures;
1798
2054

Clearly, ‘… Double was not charge of any of these dates…men were not without offspring… chiefs were not without successors and the Sun was not eclipsed for 5 days in any of the years listed here. So here we have a contradiction. If we interpret the prophecies in Chilam Balam according to the 256-year dates given in Chilam Balam then the prophecies are clearly wrong, moreover, 2012 does not appear in the list.

The 21.12.2012 doomsday proponents thus select the data that suits their purpose. They choose interpretation (i), the number 1,872,000, because it ends in 2012 but, at the same time, cite the prophecies of Chilam Balam that refer to (ii). A case, if ever there was one, of running with the fox and hunting with the hounds.

And then, unable to show any scientific mechanism to substantiate the prophecies of Chilam Balam, they change the prophecies to suit themselves saying;

‘The Maya used a vigesimal system’. Not true.
‘The Maya number 1,872,000 is the end of a Maya Cycle’. Not true.
‘The number 1,872,000 is the highest number carved in the inscriptions’. Not true.
‘2012 is the end of the Precession cycle’. Not true.
‘The Solar system will cross the Galactic ecliptic on 21st Dec 2012’. Not proven’.
‘2012 will usher in a new cycle of consciousness’. Not proven.
‘Cosmic dust incursions cause ice ages’. Not proven.
‘Cosmic Dust causes a shift in consciousness’. Not proven.

So why did the Maya use periods of time to measure time?
Why did their calendar begin in 3114BC, 3,000 years before the Maya appeared on Earth?
Why did they [all but] die-out in AD700?
What were they trying to tell us?
Why did they worship the number 1,366,560 (the rebirth of Venus)?
Why did they use a 260-day ‘ceremonial calendar’?
Why did they worship the Sun as the god of astrology and the god of fertility?
From where did they acquire their super-knowledge of the Sun and spirituality?
Part 2

The word Maya is found in ancient Indian Sanskrit and means ‘illusion’. The Maya of Central America appeared firstly in the stone-built city of Teotihuacan in around 100BC and died out (for the most part) in around AD700. It is clear that the leader of the Maya, Lord Pacal, was a supernatural being who set down his super-knowledge of science and spirituality in the treasures of the Maya; their stone carvings, jewellery, paintings, architecture and calendrical system. He was buried in his tomb in the Pyramid of Inscriptions at the Maya ceremonial centre in Palenque in the Yucatan Peninsula in Mexico in around AD700 aged around 42. His treasures reveal that; he was conceived through an immaculate conception; when he was born a bright star appeared in the sky; when he lived he performed miracles; and when he died he became the planet Venus, the brightest and purest source of light in the heavens, also referred to by ancient civilisations as the ‘twin-star’ because sometimes it can be seen in the morning, as the morning star, and (292 days later in its orbit around the Sun) in the evening, as the evening star. The last page of the Bible says this ‘I Jesus… am the root and offspring of David, and the bright and morning star [Venus; the bright evening star and the morning star]’ (Revelation 12:16).

The stories in his treasures say that he was born before, as Lord Krishna, of the Hindu; Tutankhamun, of Egypt; Lord Buddha, of India; Chin Shi Huang Di, of China; Jesus, of Nazareth; Lord Pacal, of Mexico; and the Viracochas’, the legendary white Gods who walked the lands of Peru in ancient times performing miracles. Indeed, the name Pacal appears to derive etymologically from the Christian Catholic word Pascal (meaning Easter) that itself is derived from the word Passover (referring to the period during which Jesus was Crucified).

This may sound extraordinary to the newcomer, but the stories, encoded using pictures and numbers, from so many different sources—stone carvings, jewellery, paintings, architecture and calendrical system—are unequivocal in the messages they convey suggesting that they were encoded by a sophisticated intelligence not of this world, one that can best be described as ‘miraculous’.

We must keep this in mind when attempting to understand what the Maya were trying to convey through their astronomical observations of Venus and their choice of calendrical periods of time.

Apart from the calendrical periods of time already mentioned, the Maya used a 260-day ceremonial ‘astrological calendar’ and revered a special ‘super-number’ of 1,366,560 days that they referred to as the ‘birth of Venus’. No orthodox researcher understands why the Maya calendar should have started on 10th August 3114BC—more than 3,000 years before
the Maya appeared on the planet—or why they chose to revere the birth of Venus number. However, in The Mayan Prophecies (Element Books Ltd, Shaftesbury, 1995) I showed that the Sun’s magnetic field shifted direction in 3114BC causing the planet Venus to turn upside down on its axis—Venus now spins on its axis backwards and its rate of spin has slowed to 224 earth days (i.e. one day on Venus now takes 224 earth days to subsist). The planet earth, being more distant from the Sun, did not topple on its axis at that time. The magnetic reversal though did affect life on earth; I showed how the 28-day revolving Sun showers the earth with charged particles that regulate the menstrual cycle and hence fertility on earth; how the Sun determines personality of the foetus through genetic mutations at the moment of conception (Sun-sign Astrology); how an increase in solar rays causes miscarriage and spontaneous foetal abortion; and how Sunspot cycles cause mini ice-ages and periodic drought and famine, and sometimes pole-shifts. This is why the Maya worshipped the Sun as the God of Fertility and the God of Astrology and associated the cycles of the Sun with catastrophe cycles on earth. I also showed, using a new method I named ‘rotational differentiation’, that the Sun’s solar magnetic field would again shift direction 1,366,040 days after the 3114BC event and, if the magnetic reversal was strong enough, cause Venus to topple once again—the rebirth of Venus. [The solar neutral sheet direction did indeed shift between AD627 +/- 187 years, but was not strong enough on that occasion to topple Venus off its axis; but it did cause the decline of the Maya through infertility, miscarriage, spontaneous foetal abortion, drought and famine].

The Maya monitored the heavens using visual observations of Venus, which takes 584 days to orbit the Sun once, when seen from earth. These endless cycles of time are well documented in one of the Maya bark books, The Dresden Codex, that lists their super number ‘the birth, [or rebirth] of Venus’ as 1,366,560 days (2,340 complete orbits of the planet Venus)—the closest they could get (using whole numbers of Venus revolutions) to the true computer-calculated figure of 1,366,040 days (3,740 years). Notwithstanding, the true (exact) figure is given by one of their treasures ‘the sun-shield of Monte Alban’, a mosaic jade disc pierced by 4 arrows that carries 85 golden loops of thread around the perimeter (metaphorical magnetic sunspot loops) and 11 golden pendants from below; 4 x 11 x 85 = 3,740 (years). Proving that the Maya were aware of the true (computer calculated) magnetic reversal period of 1,366,040 days. They were using an astronomical constant, the solar neutral sheet magnetic reversal period, to tell us about the rebirth of Venus—but only as a metaphor to explain that they were referring to the rebirth of Jesus—that Lord Pacal, the priest-king leader of the Maya at that time, was the reincarnation of Jesus on earth.

To understand just what the Maya were trying to tell us with their cycles of time we have to recognise the importance of the 260-day astrological calendar period, the 1,366,560-day period (the Maya rebirth of Venus number) and keep in mind that Lord Pacal was the rebirth of Venus, the metaphorical rebirth of Jesus, predicted to occur 1,366,040 days after Venus was born on 10th August 3114BC, the start of their calendar.

That this is so can be shown by examining some of the Maya treasures.

The 5-tonne limestone lid that covers the sarcophagus of Lord Pacal, in the Pyramid of Inscriptions, at Palenque, is the ‘Rosetta-Stone’ of Maya carving. The information contained in the lid—more than 100 stories explaining the meaning of heaven, hell, purgatory life and death and the life and times of Lord Pacal—cannot be decoded without first finding two missing pieces of the lid. In the same way the Maya calendrical periods cannot be understood without first finding the two missing pieces, the numbers 260 and 1,366,560 (2,340 revolutions of Venus). We know this by analysing the Pyramid of Inscriptions.

Before we see how this can be shown let’s return to the Maya number sequence and show that the Maya used a 360-degree based system, not a vigesimal system;

Maya time periods

144,000 7,200 360 20 1 = 151,581 days

divided by 360 = 400 20 1 .0555 .00277 = 421.0583

At first these seem absurd. Why would anyone base a calendar on time periods that produce 421.0583 periods of time? The answer to this is simple; the Maya wished to use a base 360 system because they were interested in the orbital cycles of Venus (measured in angular degrees). But why 421.0583?

To understand this we need to visit the Pyramid of Inscriptions and count the steps of the front stairway. In The Supergods [Thorsons, London, 1997) I described how the front stairway comprises of 5 sections; the first (the lowest–ground floor) stairway contains 9 steps, the second 13 steps, the third 19 steps, the fourth 19 steps the fifth (the highest) 9 steps. This represents the date 9 19 19 13 9. Set down against Maya time periods looks like this;

144,000 7,200 360 20 1
x x x x x

9 + 19 + 19 + 13 + 9 = 1,439,909 days = 3,999.74222 cycles of 360
Examining firstly the decimal part of the number of cycles, .74222;

.7422 x 360 = 268.999

Here the Maya are telling us to ‘round-up’ the figure to 269. We know that the most important number for the Maya is their astrological calendar period of 260 days (the Sun’s equator revolves once every 26 days (on the surface of the Sun). 260 hence represents 10 revolutions of the Sun’s equator. The number 269 contains this important 260 day figure + 9. This tells us that if we wish to understand the treasures of the Pyramid of Inscriptions we need to keep in mind the numbers 260 and 9.

In The Tutankhamun Prophecies (Headline Books Ltd., London, 1999) I showed how the Maya left behind a numerical matrix of clues inside the Pyramid of Inscriptions; for example, 3 clay plates were found in a stone chest together with 3 red shells; the tomb door had 3 sides; Lord Pacal carried 3 jade beads (one in each hand and one in his mouth) and he wore a 3-tiered jade necklace. There were 4 steps down into the tomb, the dead man wore 4 jade rings on his right hand and 4 jade rings on his left hand, 4 pairs of holes were drilled
into the paving stone that covered the concealed stairway and 4 cyclindrical plugs were used to fix the sarcophagus into position. All of the clues taken together produced the following numerical matrix;

1 1 1 1 1
2 2 2 2 2
3 3 3 3 3
4 4 4 4 4
5 5 5 5 5
6 6 6 6 6
7 7 7 7 7
8 8 8 8 8
9 9 9 9 9
Decoding of the outside stairway (above) produced the numbers 260 and 9. The matrix, on first inspection, appears to take care of the 9*. But what about the 260? This tells us that in order to understand the Maya counting system we need to recognise the most important number (missing from the system). Inserting 260 into the Maya periods of time sequence gives;

144,000 7,200 360 260 20
1 1 1 1 1 = 151,840 days
2 2 2 2 2 303,680
3 3 3 3 3 455,520
4 4 4 4 4 607,360
5 5 5 5 5 759,200
6 6 6 6 6 911,040
7 7 7 7 7 1,062,880
8 8 8 8 8 1,214,720
9 9 9 9 9 1,366,560 rebirth of Venus

[*Note; the single digit column (1) is necessarily displaced due to the insertion of the 260 day column. The accrued error due to the omission thus becomes the displaced 9 [1 x 9], explicitly reconciling the missing number 9 from the 260 + 9 stairway figure. Moreover, the number 9 was worshipped by the Maya as a holy number and represented the number of a ‘Supergod’, for example as the reincarnation of Christ. 999 is the corollary of the number 666, the number of the beast mentioned in Revelation, and the highest number before becoming 1 [1,000] with God].

This tells us that the man in the tomb, Lord Pacal was associated with the number 1,366,560 day period. Lord Pacal was ‘the rebirth of Venus’—the rebirth of Jesus. It tells us that the Maya used a 360-based calendar; that they understood the notion of 360 degrees to a circle (one orbit of Venus); that they understood the decimal point system (that 260 = 26 x 10) and that they understood the solar variables (the 26-day duration of rotation of the solar equator). How else could they convey this information to future peoples like ourselves. As the Bible says ‘knock and the door will be opened’ ‘ask and you shall receive’ (Mathew 7:7-8). He that searches for knowledge and wisdom shall be given knowledge and wisdom. The Popol Vuh, the 16th Century Maya holy book, begins and ends with the same statement
’the Popol Vuh cannot be seen anymore. It has been hidden from the searcher and the thinker (The Popol Vuh, University of Oklahoma Press, trans. D.Goetz & S.G.Morley, Wm. Hodge & Co 1947).

Returning to the outer stairway instruction number of 3,999.74222. The decimal part (.7422 x 360 = 260 + 9) has been resolved and we now need to address the number 3,999;

Using the same logic as before, we need to round up the number from 3,999 to 4,000.

4,000 x 360 = 1,440,000 = the sacred number of 144,000 (the number of those who will be saved when the world ends) x 10—telling us once again about the importance of the 144,000 and, at the same time, that that their sacred calendar of 260 days was 10 times bigger [longer] than the sacred 26-day solar rotation period and, again, that they used a decimal system.

I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, [North, South, West and East] holding the four winds of the Earth, that the wind should not blow on the Earth, nor on the sea nor on any tree. And I saw another angel ascending from the east having the seal of the living God: And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the Earth, and the sea, saying “Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our god in their foreheads”. And I heard the number of them which were sealed; and there were sealed a hundred and forty four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel....’ (Revelation 7: 1-3).

That this is the correct interpretation of the messages of the Maya is supported by other decoded treasures of the Maya; the 5-tonne sarcophagus lid, when decoded, shows a picture of Lord Pacal carrying the number 144,000 written on his forehead, but only when the [two parts of the] decoded picture[s] are set to 14.4 degrees (see the picture with your own eyes on www.MauriceCotterell.com). The decoded Mosaic Mask of Palenque shows pictures of Lord Pacal in his previous lives; The Mural of Bonampak shows that Lord Pacal’s mother conceived through an immaculate conception, carried ‘twins’ (the planet Venus) in her womb, gave birth in a stable and shows Lord Pacal with a cross made of two pieces of wood. The decoded Sun-shield of Monte-Alban tells the story of how Viracocha of Tiahuanaco, Bolivia, was the reincarnation of Jesus and reveals pictures of; God giving birth to Jesus, Jesus carrying the cross of Christianity across his forehead and Jesus dying on the cross and ascending to heaven. And it shows that those who live for the body, for physical pleasure, find only death and darkness, whereas the 144,000, find eternal life. Nowhere in the decoded treasures of the Maya does the date of 21.12.2012 take centre stage, nowhere is it given any special status.

Finally, a few words on the topic of religion. Some observers have recently suggested that because the same ‘religious story’ appears so often throughout history, that the story itself must be a myth. Their reasoning goes like this; if you search the annals of history one particular story emerges time and time again over the past several thousand years:

A man, known as ‘the son of God came into the world’ through an ‘immaculate conception’. When he was born a bright star was seen in the sky. He was known as ‘light’ or ‘the enlightened one’. During his life he performed miracles. He said he would return. When he died he ascended to heaven.

Because the story appears so many times the ‘anti-religion proponents’ reason that the story must be myth, that he never actually lived and that he simply fills the need for an idealised figure of moral leadership in an otherwise immoral world. That is one interpretation, if you chose to exclude the evidence. But the evidence reveals the weakness in the argument. The fact is this, a man called Lord Pacal, who died in around AD740, fits this description perfectly. His bones were found in a pyramid in Palenque. The same goes for the bones of the legendary white Gods that walked the lands of Peru, in around AD300 and
AD500, Viracocha and Viracocha Pachacamac, whose bones were found in the pyramids of Peru. The same goes for Tutankhamun, whose bones were found in a tomb in Egypt. So the conclusion reached does not stand up to examination. If different men, born at different times through history, came to earth and told the same story, the story cannot be a myth. There is only one other rational possibility; the same spiritual energy has reincarnated from age to age bringing the same message to mankind. Ignore that at your peril.
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The most astounding proof of 2012 is the pattern within linear time.

It is not rocket science to learn, it only requires that you look at things we are already familiar with through a different perspective.

People tend to focus on physical aspects of reality to look for proof regarding whatever it is they seek.

Objective thinking is put on a pedastil over subjective thinking simply because everything around us is physical in nature.

What gets left to be taken for granted is the consciousness that is viewing and observing and interacting with a physical environment.

Consciousness is paramount to the physical world we exist in.

Without it, there is nothing.

So why is our civilization ruled by physical proof?

Our current calendar, the Gregorian calendar, is based exclusively on the fact that our physical world we call Earth revolves around our Sun.

These ancient calendars were onto something completely different.

They worked in 360 day increments, like the 360 degrees of a circle.

This is the key to tapping into the perspective of what the universe is up to and what the meaning of creation is.

Everything in the universe works in a spiral motion.

What 2012 represents is the point in time where anything is possible.

And as we move toward this event horizon in consciousness, you can clearly see that more and more things are becomming possible, things that were sci-fi only a few years ago are now manifested into reality.

This is a direct result of accelarating consciousness.

These fractals of consciousness are what make a human and have developed in a pattern over the course of creation.

Exactly 20 different types of amino acids make a single cell.

Cells make a mammal.

Mammals make a family.

Families makes a tribe.

Tribes make a culture.

Cultures make a nation.

Nations make a planet.

Planetary systems make up a galaxy.

Galaxies make up a universe.



The spiral is tightening

Are you aware of this?





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:mayantempl: So, correct me if i misinterpreted it, but what your saying is that the the point of time and creation will reach a point in which the universe will make something larger than it itself? We wouldn't even notice that if it were true. We are too far and lost in the universe too notice anything. OR maybe it already happened and they predicted 2012 as the time that we will notice it, because it takes a long time for something to travel from the end of space to us. I'm just ranting because id like to believe something cool will happen on 2012, like telepathic powers or advanced alien technology but i don't believe it will to be honest. If it does however, then... cool.
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Dispelling the myths about 2012

© Maurice Cotterell, 2009




Dispelling the myths about 2012


Part 1

Myth number 1; It is said that the Maya measured time using a ‘vigesimal numerical system’;

The Maya used the following periods of time with which to measure time intervals;

Kinchilitun Calabtun Pictun Baktun Katun Tun Uinal Kin

1,152,000,000 57,600,000 2,880,000 144,000 7,200 360 20 1

This is not a Vigesimal System. A Vigesimal system rises by factors of 20

A Vigesimal system looks like this;

1,280,000,000 64,000,000 3,200,000 160,000 8,000 400 20 1

Conclusion: The Maya did not use a Vigesimal system.



Myth number 2; The Maya ‘Long Count’ of 1,872,000 days (5,125.256674 years) is the ‘end of a Maya time cycle’ that began in 3114BC and will end on 21.12. 2012.

1,872,000 days = 13 periods of 144,000 days

Kinchilitun Calabtun Pictun Baktun Katun Tun Uinal Kin

1,152,000,000 57,600,000 2,880,000 144,000 7,200 360 20 1

? ? ? 13 0 0 0 0

But the definition of ‘cycle’ is ‘a complete series of events’. A complete series of events here could only transpire when all of the time periods (including those marked ‘?’) return to zero. The period 1,872,000 cannot therefore represent a cycle or the ‘end of a cycle’. At best it can only be considered to be 13/20ths of the Pictun, the next largest period.

Conclusion; 1,872,000 cannot represent a ‘cycle’ of time and therefore cannot represent the end of a cycle of time.



Myth number 3; The period 1,872,000 is the ‘longest time interval’ found carved on a Maya monument and therefore represents the ‘end of time’ or the ‘end of the Maya Calendar’.

This is not true. Other carved dates have been found that exceed 1,872,000, for example;

On Stela N, at Copan, six periods, including the Pictun, have been found, showing a period of 42,908,400 days.

On the west Panel at the Temple of Inscriptions, at Palenque, six (possibly seven) periods are found showing an interval of 455,393,401 days.

On Stela 10, at Tikal, eight (possibly nine) periods are found showing a time interval of 1,841,639,800 days.

Conclusion; The number 1,872,000 representing the date ? ? ? 13 0 0 0 0, is neither ‘the end of time’ nor the ‘end of the Maya Calendar’.
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Myth number 4; The 21st December 2012 is the ‘end date’ of the 25,800 year precession cycle.

The cycle of precession refers to the long-term wobble of the earth on its axis. As it wobbles it moves backwards through [relative to] the backdrop of stars known as the astronomical and astrological ‘zodiac’. But the Astrological zodiac, relative to the Earth’s movement through the heavens in one year, begins with the ‘first sign of the zodiac’, Aries, and ends on the last day of Pisces. The backwards precession cycle therefore moves from the last day of Pisces to the first day of Aries over 25,800 years. The Sun, therefore, sweeps through each sign of the zodiac every 2,150 years. We are soon to enter the zodiacal sign of Aquarius, although the exact date of entry is not known [estimates, from various researchers, range from AD2060 through to
AD2100—we do know that when Thebes was the centre of power in Egypt, Apis the bull (Taurus) was worshipped, suggesting that at that period the Earth’s axis was pointing towards the constellation of Taurus. 2,150 years later, at Luxor, the Ram headed Sphinx (of Aries) was worshipped. 2,150 years later Pisces the fish was revered with the appearance of Christ, represented by the vesica pisces, the fish, formed by the overlapping circles of the planet Venus (known as the morning star and the evening star)]. This is to say that the zodiac is presently moving from Pisces into Aquarius (not from Aries into Pisces). Hence the Earth’s axis (precession cycle start) is not coincident with the zodiac ‘start point’ of Aries which occurred around 2,150 years ago and will not happen again for another 23,650 years. Therefore the Earth’s axis will not, in 2012, point towards the ‘start’ of a new precession cycle as defined in zodiacal terms.

Conclusion; The precession cycle is not about to come to an end of a cycle. The most recent precession cycle began around 2,150 years ago as the Earth’s axis passed from Aries through Pisces. [1/12th of the precession cycle has already passed].
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Myth number 5; The Earth’s precession cycle will cross the galactic equator at sunrise on 21st December 2012.

The original proponent of this hypothesis, set-down in 1997, suggested that the Sunrise on 21st December 2012 will, as it drifts through the 25,800 year precession cycle, align with a ‘cloud of cosmic dust’ in the Milky Way. This entire concept is meaningless because the rising of the Sun must align with something in the heavens on any one day.

Following ridicule of the claim, proponents searched long and hard for any astronomical evidence that may lend support. Shortly after, another researcher drew a line through the ecliptic of the Milky Way (which happened to also go through the cloud of ‘alignment dust’) claiming it to be the ‘the centre-line of the galactic ecliptic —the ‘galactic equator’—saying that the precession cycle would cut through the line in 1998. But, firstly, the line is merely a guess. It contains no mathematical support. In order to construct such a line the mass of every celestial body in the Milky Way (every star, every planet, every rock, every comet and every particle of cosmic dust) would need to be quantified by mass; each body would then need to be set down relative to every other; a linear regression of the data would need to be made and then a mass trend-line constructed. But such a task would be impossible to carry out. Moreover, the result of the centre-line guess showed that ‘galactic alignment’ would occur in 1998, not 2012. To overcome this 14-year discrepancy the 21.12.2012 alignment proponents introduced a margin of error saying that the Sun would take 36 years to cross the centre-line, representing ‘era-2012’, from 1980-2016.

Hence, the ‘cloud of dust’ alignment hypothesis is irrational, the ‘centre-line of the galaxy’ hypothesis is non-quantifiable, and the alignment with the centre of the galaxy on 21.12.2012 has changed to sometime between ‘1980–2016’.

Moreover, the entire notion fails because no physical ‘cycle’ of events has been shown to occur during the precession cycle [for example, one solar ‘cycle’ on Earth occurs as the earth revolves around the Sun once every year. As that happens the duration of daylight at specific latitudes varies, because the earth is tilted on its axis. The variations in daylight cause plant life to grow and die annually]. No scientific evidence of any ‘series of changes’ has been put forward by proponents of the ‘galactic cycle alignment hypothesis’.

Conclusion; The galactic alignment hypothesis is without scientifically verifiable foundation.

Myth Number 6; On the 21st December 2012 ‘Myth number 5’ (above) will usher in a new 25,800 year cycle of ‘consciousness’.

No scientifically verifiable mechanism has been proven to substantiate this claim.

Conclusion; the claim is without foundation.
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Myth Number 7; Cosmic dust eruptions from the centre of the Milky Way cause ice-ages on Earth.

The claim is that the centre of our galaxy spews out dust periodically that covers the earth periodically, causing the onset of ice ages and mini ice-ages on earth. However, we know that the Sun’s neutral magnetic sheet reverses its magnetic field 5 times every 18,139 years.
When the magnetic field is positive is sucks galactic dust into the solar system and when it is negative it pushes dust out of the solar system (or vice versa). We know that Sunspot cycles correspond to mini ice-ages on earth. Hence, it is not the dust that causes mini ice-ages (or ice ages) on earth but the Sun’s reversing magnetic field. The dust is merely symptomatic of the solar reversal ice-age mechanism.

Conclusion; the claim is unproven.
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Myth number 8; Cosmic dust bombards the solar system causing variations in thought processes and DNA in living organisms.

No scientifically verifiable mechanism has been put forward to support this hypothesis.

Conclusion; the claim has not been verified.
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So what is the meaning of the 1,872,000 number, if any, and from what, or where, did the 21.12.2012 misunderstandings arise?

The Book of Chilam [the Prophet] Balam [the Jaguar] of Chumayel [found in the town of Chumayel] was set down by the Maya prophet in around 1500–1520 and translated from the Maya language in 1931 by the American scholar Ralph Roys (University of Oklahoma Press, 1931…1937). (Note; the term Jaguar was used as a metaphor for the ‘golden sun with brown spots [sunspots])’. Page 134 gives the following prophecies;

Unattainable is the bread in Katun 13 Ahau. The Sun shall be eclipsed. Double is the charge of the Katun: men without offspring, chiefs without successors. For five days the Sun shall be eclipsed, then it shall be seen again. This is the charge of Katun 13 Ahau’.

But how are we to interpret the statement?

(i)

A Katun period is 7,200 days long.
Ahau is the last (20th) day in the Maya 20 day month.

Does the statement mean Katun 13 Ahau?
= Katun 13 x 20 = Katun 260 = 7,200 x 260 =
1,872,000 = 5,125.25 years.

Which, if counted forward from the Maya Calendar Start date in 3114BC brings
us to the 2012 date.

(ii)

Or does it mean Katun13 Ahau? i.e. the last day called Ahau in Katun numbered 13 = 13 x 7,200 = 93,600 = 256.2628 years.

The Books of Chilam Balam make it clear (Appendix H p205) that;

‘…the Katun is named for the day on which it ends’

Meaning that Katun 13 Ahau refers to (ii) ‘the last day of Katun 13’, i.e. the 93,600th day

And goes on (p204) to list the dates of Katun 13 Ahau as;
AD 511
768
1024
1280
1536 the list can be continued by adding 256.2628 years to the accumulating figures;
1798
2054

Clearly, ‘… Double was not charge of any of these dates…men were not without offspring… chiefs were not without successors and the Sun was not eclipsed for 5 days in any of the years listed here. So here we have a contradiction. If we interpret the prophecies in Chilam Balam according to the 256-year dates given in Chilam Balam then the prophecies are clearly wrong, moreover, 2012 does not appear in the list.

The 21.12.2012 doomsday proponents thus select the data that suits their purpose. They choose interpretation (i), the number 1,872,000, because it ends in 2012 but, at the same time, cite the prophecies of Chilam Balam that refer to (ii). A case, if ever there was one, of running with the fox and hunting with the hounds.

And then, unable to show any scientific mechanism to substantiate the prophecies of Chilam Balam, they change the prophecies to suit themselves saying;

‘The Maya used a vigesimal system’. Not true.
‘The Maya number 1,872,000 is the end of a Maya Cycle’. Not true.
‘The number 1,872,000 is the highest number carved in the inscriptions’. Not true.
‘2012 is the end of the Precession cycle’. Not true.
‘The Solar system will cross the Galactic ecliptic on 21st Dec 2012’. Not proven’.
‘2012 will usher in a new cycle of consciousness’. Not proven.
‘Cosmic dust incursions cause ice ages’. Not proven.
‘Cosmic Dust causes a shift in consciousness’. Not proven.

So why did the Maya use periods of time to measure time?
Why did their calendar begin in 3114BC, 3,000 years before the Maya appeared on Earth?
Why did they [all but] die-out in AD700?
What were they trying to tell us?
Why did they worship the number 1,366,560 (the rebirth of Venus)?
Why did they use a 260-day ‘ceremonial calendar’?
Why did they worship the Sun as the god of astrology and the god of fertility?
From where did they acquire their super-knowledge of the Sun and spirituality?
Part 2

The word Maya is found in ancient Indian Sanskrit and means ‘illusion’. The Maya of Central America appeared firstly in the stone-built city of Teotihuacan in around 100BC and died out (for the most part) in around AD700. It is clear that the leader of the Maya, Lord Pacal, was a supernatural being who set down his super-knowledge of science and spirituality in the treasures of the Maya; their stone carvings, jewellery, paintings, architecture and calendrical system. He was buried in his tomb in the Pyramid of Inscriptions at the Maya ceremonial centre in Palenque in the Yucatan Peninsula in Mexico in around AD700 aged around 42. His treasures reveal that; he was conceived through an immaculate conception; when he was born a bright star appeared in the sky; when he lived he performed miracles; and when he died he became the planet Venus, the brightest and purest source of light in the heavens, also referred to by ancient civilisations as the ‘twin-star’ because sometimes it can be seen in the morning, as the morning star, and (292 days later in its orbit around the Sun) in the evening, as the evening star. The last page of the Bible says this ‘I Jesus… am the root and offspring of David, and the bright and morning star [Venus; the bright evening star and the morning star]’ (Revelation 12:16).

The stories in his treasures say that he was born before, as Lord Krishna, of the Hindu; Tutankhamun, of Egypt; Lord Buddha, of India; Chin Shi Huang Di, of China; Jesus, of Nazareth; Lord Pacal, of Mexico; and the Viracochas’, the legendary white Gods who walked the lands of Peru in ancient times performing miracles. Indeed, the name Pacal appears to derive etymologically from the Christian Catholic word Pascal (meaning Easter) that itself is derived from the word Passover (referring to the period during which Jesus was Crucified).

This may sound extraordinary to the newcomer, but the stories, encoded using pictures and numbers, from so many different sources—stone carvings, jewellery, paintings, architecture and calendrical system—are unequivocal in the messages they convey suggesting that they were encoded by a sophisticated intelligence not of this world, one that can best be described as ‘miraculous’.

We must keep this in mind when attempting to understand what the Maya were trying to convey through their astronomical observations of Venus and their choice of calendrical periods of time.

Apart from the calendrical periods of time already mentioned, the Maya used a 260-day ceremonial ‘astrological calendar’ and revered a special ‘super-number’ of 1,366,560 days that they referred to as the ‘birth of Venus’. No orthodox researcher understands why the Maya calendar should have started on 10th August 3114BC—more than 3,000 years before
the Maya appeared on the planet—or why they chose to revere the birth of Venus number. However, in The Mayan Prophecies (Element Books Ltd, Shaftesbury, 1995) I showed that the Sun’s magnetic field shifted direction in 3114BC causing the planet Venus to turn upside down on its axis—Venus now spins on its axis backwards and its rate of spin has slowed to 224 earth days (i.e. one day on Venus now takes 224 earth days to subsist). The planet earth, being more distant from the Sun, did not topple on its axis at that time. The magnetic reversal though did affect life on earth; I showed how the 28-day revolving Sun showers the earth with charged particles that regulate the menstrual cycle and hence fertility on earth; how the Sun determines personality of the foetus through genetic mutations at the moment of conception (Sun-sign Astrology); how an increase in solar rays causes miscarriage and spontaneous foetal abortion; and how Sunspot cycles cause mini ice-ages and periodic drought and famine, and sometimes pole-shifts. This is why the Maya worshipped the Sun as the God of Fertility and the God of Astrology and associated the cycles of the Sun with catastrophe cycles on earth. I also showed, using a new method I named ‘rotational differentiation’, that the Sun’s solar magnetic field would again shift direction 1,366,040 days after the 3114BC event and, if the magnetic reversal was strong enough, cause Venus to topple once again—the rebirth of Venus. [The solar neutral sheet direction did indeed shift between AD627 +/- 187 years, but was not strong enough on that occasion to topple Venus off its axis; but it did cause the decline of the Maya through infertility, miscarriage, spontaneous foetal abortion, drought and famine].

The Maya monitored the heavens using visual observations of Venus, which takes 584 days to orbit the Sun once, when seen from earth. These endless cycles of time are well documented in one of the Maya bark books, The Dresden Codex, that lists their super number ‘the birth, [or rebirth] of Venus’ as 1,366,560 days (2,340 complete orbits of the planet Venus)—the closest they could get (using whole numbers of Venus revolutions) to the true computer-calculated figure of 1,366,040 days (3,740 years). Notwithstanding, the true (exact) figure is given by one of their treasures ‘the sun-shield of Monte Alban’, a mosaic jade disc pierced by 4 arrows that carries 85 golden loops of thread around the perimeter (metaphorical magnetic sunspot loops) and 11 golden pendants from below; 4 x 11 x 85 = 3,740 (years). Proving that the Maya were aware of the true (computer calculated) magnetic reversal period of 1,366,040 days. They were using an astronomical constant, the solar neutral sheet magnetic reversal period, to tell us about the rebirth of Venus—but only as a metaphor to explain that they were referring to the rebirth of Jesus—that Lord Pacal, the priest-king leader of the Maya at that time, was the reincarnation of Jesus on earth.

To understand just what the Maya were trying to tell us with their cycles of time we have to recognise the importance of the 260-day astrological calendar period, the 1,366,560-day period (the Maya rebirth of Venus number) and keep in mind that Lord Pacal was the rebirth of Venus, the metaphorical rebirth of Jesus, predicted to occur 1,366,040 days after Venus was born on 10th August 3114BC, the start of their calendar.

That this is so can be shown by examining some of the Maya treasures.

The 5-tonne limestone lid that covers the sarcophagus of Lord Pacal, in the Pyramid of Inscriptions, at Palenque, is the ‘Rosetta-Stone’ of Maya carving. The information contained in the lid—more than 100 stories explaining the meaning of heaven, hell, purgatory life and death and the life and times of Lord Pacal—cannot be decoded without first finding two missing pieces of the lid. In the same way the Maya calendrical periods cannot be understood without first finding the two missing pieces, the numbers 260 and 1,366,560 (2,340 revolutions of Venus). We know this by analysing the Pyramid of Inscriptions.

Before we see how this can be shown let’s return to the Maya number sequence and show that the Maya used a 360-degree based system, not a vigesimal system;

Maya time periods

144,000 7,200 360 20 1 = 151,581 days

divided by 360 = 400 20 1 .0555 .00277 = 421.0583

At first these seem absurd. Why would anyone base a calendar on time periods that produce 421.0583 periods of time? The answer to this is simple; the Maya wished to use a base 360 system because they were interested in the orbital cycles of Venus (measured in angular degrees). But why 421.0583?

To understand this we need to visit the Pyramid of Inscriptions and count the steps of the front stairway. In The Supergods [Thorsons, London, 1997) I described how the front stairway comprises of 5 sections; the first (the lowest–ground floor) stairway contains 9 steps, the second 13 steps, the third 19 steps, the fourth 19 steps the fifth (the highest) 9 steps. This represents the date 9 19 19 13 9. Set down against Maya time periods looks like this;

144,000 7,200 360 20 1
x x x x x

9 + 19 + 19 + 13 + 9 = 1,439,909 days = 3,999.74222 cycles of 360
Examining firstly the decimal part of the number of cycles, .74222;

.7422 x 360 = 268.999

Here the Maya are telling us to ‘round-up’ the figure to 269. We know that the most important number for the Maya is their astrological calendar period of 260 days (the Sun’s equator revolves once every 26 days (on the surface of the Sun). 260 hence represents 10 revolutions of the Sun’s equator. The number 269 contains this important 260 day figure + 9. This tells us that if we wish to understand the treasures of the Pyramid of Inscriptions we need to keep in mind the numbers 260 and 9.

In The Tutankhamun Prophecies (Headline Books Ltd., London, 1999) I showed how the Maya left behind a numerical matrix of clues inside the Pyramid of Inscriptions; for example, 3 clay plates were found in a stone chest together with 3 red shells; the tomb door had 3 sides; Lord Pacal carried 3 jade beads (one in each hand and one in his mouth) and he wore a 3-tiered jade necklace. There were 4 steps down into the tomb, the dead man wore 4 jade rings on his right hand and 4 jade rings on his left hand, 4 pairs of holes were drilled
into the paving stone that covered the concealed stairway and 4 cyclindrical plugs were used to fix the sarcophagus into position. All of the clues taken together produced the following numerical matrix;

1 1 1 1 1
2 2 2 2 2
3 3 3 3 3
4 4 4 4 4
5 5 5 5 5
6 6 6 6 6
7 7 7 7 7
8 8 8 8 8
9 9 9 9 9
Decoding of the outside stairway (above) produced the numbers 260 and 9. The matrix, on first inspection, appears to take care of the 9*. But what about the 260? This tells us that in order to understand the Maya counting system we need to recognise the most important number (missing from the system). Inserting 260 into the Maya periods of time sequence gives;

144,000 7,200 360 260 20
1 1 1 1 1 = 151,840 days
2 2 2 2 2 303,680
3 3 3 3 3 455,520
4 4 4 4 4 607,360
5 5 5 5 5 759,200
6 6 6 6 6 911,040
7 7 7 7 7 1,062,880
8 8 8 8 8 1,214,720
9 9 9 9 9 1,366,560 rebirth of Venus

[*Note; the single digit column (1) is necessarily displaced due to the insertion of the 260 day column. The accrued error due to the omission thus becomes the displaced 9 [1 x 9], explicitly reconciling the missing number 9 from the 260 + 9 stairway figure. Moreover, the number 9 was worshipped by the Maya as a holy number and represented the number of a ‘Supergod’, for example as the reincarnation of Christ. 999 is the corollary of the number 666, the number of the beast mentioned in Revelation, and the highest number before becoming 1 [1,000] with God].

This tells us that the man in the tomb, Lord Pacal was associated with the number 1,366,560 day period. Lord Pacal was ‘the rebirth of Venus’—the rebirth of Jesus. It tells us that the Maya used a 360-based calendar; that they understood the notion of 360 degrees to a circle (one orbit of Venus); that they understood the decimal point system (that 260 = 26 x 10) and that they understood the solar variables (the 26-day duration of rotation of the solar equator). How else could they convey this information to future peoples like ourselves. As the Bible says ‘knock and the door will be opened’ ‘ask and you shall receive’ (Mathew 7:7-8). He that searches for knowledge and wisdom shall be given knowledge and wisdom. The Popol Vuh, the 16th Century Maya holy book, begins and ends with the same statement
’the Popol Vuh cannot be seen anymore. It has been hidden from the searcher and the thinker (The Popol Vuh, University of Oklahoma Press, trans. D.Goetz & S.G.Morley, Wm. Hodge & Co 1947).

Returning to the outer stairway instruction number of 3,999.74222. The decimal part (.7422 x 360 = 260 + 9) has been resolved and we now need to address the number 3,999;

Using the same logic as before, we need to round up the number from 3,999 to 4,000.

4,000 x 360 = 1,440,000 = the sacred number of 144,000 (the number of those who will be saved when the world ends) x 10—telling us once again about the importance of the 144,000 and, at the same time, that that their sacred calendar of 260 days was 10 times bigger [longer] than the sacred 26-day solar rotation period and, again, that they used a decimal system.

I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, [North, South, West and East] holding the four winds of the Earth, that the wind should not blow on the Earth, nor on the sea nor on any tree. And I saw another angel ascending from the east having the seal of the living God: And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the Earth, and the sea, saying “Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our god in their foreheads”. And I heard the number of them which were sealed; and there were sealed a hundred and forty four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel....’ (Revelation 7: 1-3).

That this is the correct interpretation of the messages of the Maya is supported by other decoded treasures of the Maya; the 5-tonne sarcophagus lid, when decoded, shows a picture of Lord Pacal carrying the number 144,000 written on his forehead, but only when the [two parts of the] decoded picture[s] are set to 14.4 degrees (see the picture with your own eyes on www.MauriceCotterell.com). The decoded Mosaic Mask of Palenque shows pictures of Lord Pacal in his previous lives; The Mural of Bonampak shows that Lord Pacal’s mother conceived through an immaculate conception, carried ‘twins’ (the planet Venus) in her womb, gave birth in a stable and shows Lord Pacal with a cross made of two pieces of wood. The decoded Sun-shield of Monte-Alban tells the story of how Viracocha of Tiahuanaco, Bolivia, was the reincarnation of Jesus and reveals pictures of; God giving birth to Jesus, Jesus carrying the cross of Christianity across his forehead and Jesus dying on the cross and ascending to heaven. And it shows that those who live for the body, for physical pleasure, find only death and darkness, whereas the 144,000, find eternal life. Nowhere in the decoded treasures of the Maya does the date of 21.12.2012 take centre stage, nowhere is it given any special status.

Finally, a few words on the topic of religion. Some observers have recently suggested that because the same ‘religious story’ appears so often throughout history, that the story itself must be a myth. Their reasoning goes like this; if you search the annals of history one particular story emerges time and time again over the past several thousand years:

A man, known as ‘the son of God came into the world’ through an ‘immaculate conception’. When he was born a bright star was seen in the sky. He was known as ‘light’ or ‘the enlightened one’. During his life he performed miracles. He said he would return. When he died he ascended to heaven.

Because the story appears so many times the ‘anti-religion proponents’ reason that the story must be myth, that he never actually lived and that he simply fills the need for an idealised figure of moral leadership in an otherwise immoral world. That is one interpretation, if you chose to exclude the evidence. But the evidence reveals the weakness in the argument. The fact is this, a man called Lord Pacal, who died in around AD740, fits this description perfectly. His bones were found in a pyramid in Palenque. The same goes for the bones of the legendary white Gods that walked the lands of Peru, in around AD300 and
AD500, Viracocha and Viracocha Pachacamac, whose bones were found in the pyramids of Peru. The same goes for Tutankhamun, whose bones were found in a tomb in Egypt. So the conclusion reached does not stand up to examination. If different men, born at different times through history, came to earth and told the same story, the story cannot be a myth. There is only one other rational possibility; the same spiritual energy has reincarnated from age to age bringing the same message to mankind. Ignore that at your peril.
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You sir, are a genius. I don't know if your math is correct but it sure as hell looks good to me. I now have this to morally support my idea that nothing will happen on 2012.
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The Mayan calendar starts back up again after 2012. No where does it say anything about us all dying. From someone who's studied countless 2012 theories, be a lot more worried about what will cause the end of the world and when, not who predicted it.

And yes, I do think we'll blow ourselves up in the next two hundred years.
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honestly, i think there will be a zombie apocalypse. i mean seriosly!!! think about it!! the dawning of a new race!!! sounds like zombies are gonna take over!!!!!!

*also, for all of you people makeing hate comments about this web page, if you hate it so much and totaly dont believe in 2012, then why the hell did u come 2 this website anyway and take the time to read it??? do u have nothing better to do???
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Hooo-oly shit....Dec. 21, 2012 is not when the world will end. It is a marker in time that when we reach it, we will look back and say, "Hoooo-oly shit, we are fucked!" So much greed, hunger, murder, gluttony, and selfishness. If we only listened to Lennon and learned that it is better to live as one, rather than individuals, we could avoid the coming calamity. But no. We choose to close our minds and hearts, and breed ignorance. We deserve whatever is to come. Every bit of it. You can say what about our children, why do they have to suffer. I say, what about the children of Africa, or China, or India. Most children in those countries never see the age of 5, which in a sense is more humane then living like an American. I laugh at all of you "B.S."ers out there, who make your snide comments as if they actually matter and carry a sense of intelligence. You would go so far as to say,"Well it didn't happen in 99." A little FYI, that was orchestrated by Microsoft, Apple etc., Just as the 2008 collapse. Ask yourself a few questions... is it normal to have 300 tornadoes in 3 days? Is New York and Boston supposed to see tornadoes? Now what about India? How about Texas getting over 4ft of snow for 2 straight years. And sure we have earthquakes on a daily basis...but how coincidental is it when for the past 3 years there have been catastrophic events working almost like clock work? You can say science will explain it all, but when it comes down to it, Science is BS...a best guess at that.

Sure this may seem like ridiculous rhetoric, but I just want to say one more thing...In the universe...one thing is constant...all things form a circle, or spherical form...so if you look at it just right...everything, EVERYTHING, eventually comes full circle. peace
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kali yuga....

hmm that is closing the cali for one ia.

or you go with your paar a radijs.
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above all 2012 is a direct consequence of the evolution of consciousness that eventually reaches a turning point that coincides with the end of a cycle of Creation.

since consciousness creates reality (on a collective subconscious level for most humans), then ultimately if you don't BELIEVE in 2012, you will guide yourself to a scenario that NOTHING happens and NOTHING changes. this will be your BIG EVENT -> ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

this is possible because we are nearing a singularity. in a singularity every single reality becomes a possibility. several alternative realities cross over and become superimposed, needing only that the person is "attuned" to one or another to make it real almost instantly.

thus, 2012 will represent many things for many people.

however many people are adamant that something is changing. well it's their own consciousness that is expanding, and so time and space become less of an issue more and more. time starts compressing, and space expanding.

those who want to see a worldwide event will see it. but ultimately the biggest change is within.

some will leave the planet. some will recreate earth somewhere else. some will go to hell literally if that's what they want. some will ascend not only to the 4th dimension but to the 5th. some will will go to another earth to adapt to the fourth dimension. some will go to earth prime, a new 5-dimensional earth waiting for us.. etc etc
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ive actually been working on a theory... its kind of crazy but heed me out. what if the earth simpley resets itself? days upon days i have watched things from the past (be it my past or other peoples past) reapearing into this time. a modern to classic and classic to modern idea if you will.... now what if someone did something that altered the timeline and reality. ok what would happen? it would rebound to what it previously was when that eleged person changed reality! if this happens then what will happen on the second way through and will we remember this time period?
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savin for later...
The Truth About Thread: The FINAL EVENTS Of Bible Prophecy

"We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist." - Martin Luther (Aug. 18, 1520)

"While God has given ample evidence for faith, He will never remove all excuse for unbelief. All who look for hooks to hang their doubts upon will find them. And those who refuse to accept and obey God's Word until every objection has been removed, and there is no longer an opportunity for doubt, will never come to the light" (The Great Controversy, p. 527).

"Jesus did not come to change the law, but he came to explain it, and that very fact shows that it remains, for there is no need to explain that which is abrogated." - Charles Spurgeon

"Jesuit Adam Weishaupt established the modern version of the Illuminati specifically to be a front organization behind which the Jesuits could hide. After being formally abolished by Pope Clement XIV in 1773, the Jesuits used the Illuminati and other organizations to carry out their operations. Thus, the front organizations would be blamed for the trouble caused by the Jesuits."
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LOL, its like they said at WordswithMeaning.org or whatever the hell it is, The 2012 theory can only be proven if it actually happens
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What i think is meant by end cycle is that we are entering the event horizon at the galactic equator so our solar system will stay in the horizon till the end times.

Ps: event horizon is the disc of the super massive black hole at the center of our galaxy....
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so ur saying that our solar system will jst stop orbiting the sun?
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You're an idiot. Our Solar system will continue to orbit the sun, our SUN ORBITS THE BLACK HOLE in the center of our Universe.

Still, though, I don't know what research the guy before you can site to make such a proclamation about the galactic equator.
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I dont care what or what happens. Just as long there is bourbon, beer etc because stuff been straight for ever and ever how boring. Peace yall. Hail the ocean.
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LOOK!!! 100% bsflag
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yup 100% bullpucky confirmed
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It has been said by the Egyptians that Aliens will come to educate us on how to be better people and look after our home.

Having experienced all kinds of spiritual happenings I can say
There is a God who is in control, knowing that aliens are also his creation. Do you really think a kind and loving God would
hurt us?

Take a look at us, we are a truly messed up race in need of guidance. If we experience visitations let us reach out our hands in love and be welcoming. We need all the help we can get.

I know of many things...I wish I could share...but suffice to say...

Seek and you to will find...
look for love in all you do...
wonderment is yours to produce.
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I bet that the Mayans made a second calender, but they accidentally sold it at their annual garage sale. :|
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God aka Enki along with his Angels aka Anunnaki shall return and reign his Kingdom on Earth again. ( the Sumarians according to Zecharia Sitchin )
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i am posting this now in 2012, it is February 14 7:28 PM. (i know the time isnt necessary but oh well). on December 21 2012 we are supposed to be closer to the sun then ever before. IF there is a solar flare that day we will be fucked. either the magnetic fields will be flipped or totally destroyed even, or all technology will get wiped out and we will have to start have scratch. or we will all die. either way, its only a theory, a thought. ive been looking into the Illuminati (which brought me here) and they are a bunch of bullshit puppet masters. the world could end. maybe our fate is the same as the dinosaurs, who knows? who cares? if we all die, no one will be left to miss us, or for us to miss. accept your fate and live life as it was meant to be lived, full and well. leave your mark on this earth for the next generation of assholes to fuck up the earth. the dinosaurs weren't good enough, we were too good.
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nice joke, complete waste of time but still pretty funny
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LOOK!!! 100% bsflag
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To you and all other "BS" flag raisers..
Keep it yourself! This is interesting and obviously beyond you!
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i am posting this now in 2012, it is February 14 7:28 PM. (i know the time isnt necessary but oh well). on December 21 2012 we are supposed to be closer to the sun then ever before. IF there is a solar flare that day we will be fucked. either the magnetic fields will be flipped or totally destroyed even, or all technology will get wiped out and we will have to start have scratch. or we will all die. either way, its only a theory, a thought. ive been looking into the Illuminati (which brought me here) and they are a bunch of bullshit puppet masters. the world could end. maybe our fate is the same as the dinosaurs, who knows? who cares? if we all die, no one will be left to miss us, or for us to miss. accept your fate and live life as it was meant to be lived, full and well. leave your mark on this earth for the next generation of assholes to fuck up the earth. the dinosaurs weren't good enough, we were too good.
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just wondering.. how do you know that the dinosaurs werent "good enough" and what makes you think we are "too good"? Take a look at the way the world is right now- how could anyone think that we are better then any other forms of life every exsting on this planet..?
Just my opinion but i think we are way too full of ourselves and that has created a block of seeing the truth within ourselves...
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It has been said by the Egyptians that Aliens will come to educate us on how to be better people and look after our home.

Having experienced all kinds of spiritual happenings I can say
There is a God who is in control, knowing that aliens are also his creation. Do you really think a kind and loving God would
hurt us?

Take a look at us, we are a truly messed up race in need of guidance. If we experience visitations let us reach out our hands in love and be welcoming. We need all the help we can get.

I know of many things...I wish I could share...but suffice to say...

Seek and you to will find...
look for love in all you do...
wonderment is yours to produce.
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I believe the same thing you do! Beautifully said!
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honestly, i think there will be a zombie apocalypse. i mean seriosly!!! think about it!! the dawning of a new race!!! sounds like zombies are gonna take over!!!!!!

*also, for all of you people makeing hate comments about this web page, if you hate it so much and totaly dont believe in 2012, then why the hell did u come 2 this website anyway and take the time to read it??? do u have nothing better to do???
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**exactly! lol! and they say we are wasting our time.. well at least we have ideas while all they have is the same ol' snide comments!
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You idiot, it is now 2012. s226antibs
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All deniers about 2012 year end part to be a time of changing, YOU better read the Mind control Topic and say that you don't want this world to end, if you still deny, I hope you get the chip in your skull soon, Thanks:).
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