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Vegans, I need your help!

 
Anonymous Coward
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12/13/2008 09:31 PM
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Vegans, I need your help!
This message is directed to the vegetarians on this board.

First of all, I would like to apologize to vegans in general, because before actually looking into what happens to animals in factory farms, I wasn't really all that nice to you guys.
One person sent me the link to goveg.com (the chicken section) and told me to read the "Secret Life of Chickens" (and of cows, and of pigs, etc), and than read about what happens to them on Factory Farms. I was honestly shocked.

He also referred me to a movie, earthlings, but I haven't seen it yet.

Anyway, after seeing how cruel animals are treated, I've decided for now on, I'm no longer going to eat pork, I will only eat organic, free-ranged chicken (and eggs), and I'm still trying to decide what to do with beef...
For the most part, my diet will be a vegetarian diet; I'm no longer supporting the fast food industry, and I'm sickened of KFC after seeing this website:
[link to www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com]

Okay, I'm getting off topic with this rant..

My point!
Well, right now there is pizza in the fridge, that's going to go bad. The reason I'm not buying meat (or milk, or eggs, etc) anymore, is because one less buyer drives demand down, and saves more animals (I've read that if one person stopped buying meat, it will save over 100 animals -- Cool!).

But what about the food that's already bought? It's sitting in my fridge, should I eat it?
Anonymous Coward
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12/13/2008 09:34 PM
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Re: Vegans, I need your help!
yes my son, you can eat the meat
LS

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12/13/2008 09:35 PM
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Re: Vegans, I need your help!
when i became a vegetarian 12 years ago, i gave the meat i had to friends.

just a thought.
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12/13/2008 09:54 PM
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Re: Vegans, I need your help!
I'm becoming vegetarian almost without trying. It just seems natural. I had a thin slice of deli turkey I could have done without today. Everything else was mainly grains.

I had switched to soy from cow's milk, thinking I might have a reaction, but my symptoms come more from cheese and I'm fine on skim milk. So, I'm buying organic. Does anyone know if organic milk is cruelty free? I know it doesn't have the baddy hormones and stuff in there. I'm just afraid of eating too much soy. I seemed to have gained some weight, and I think the low fat dairy was helping me to burn fat.
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12/13/2008 10:09 PM
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Re: Vegans, I need your help!
I'm becoming vegetarian almost without trying. It just seems natural. I had a thin slice of deli turkey I could have done without today. Everything else was mainly grains.

I had switched to soy from cow's milk, thinking I might have a reaction, but my symptoms come more from cheese and I'm fine on skim milk. So, I'm buying organic. Does anyone know if organic milk is cruelty free? I know it doesn't have the baddy hormones and stuff in there. I'm just afraid of eating too much soy. I seemed to have gained some weight, and I think the low fat dairy was helping me to burn fat.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 572025

This is why I'm still debating milk. They do sell organic skim milk (there is this HUGE Natural Food Grocery Store Co-op by my house, I can get everything there). But I still don't know if the organic milk is as you put it, "cruelty free". Sometimes there is a description on the back of the milk box that explains how they treat their cows; see if that tells you anything


Also, everyone else, I'm going to finish off that Pizza, but I'm going to give the other meat I have (I have some breakfast sandwiches, lunch meet, etc) to someone... I don't need anymore Monosodium Glutamate anyway. I'm also giving away my soup too... I can't even bare eating that anymore
Anonymous Coward (OP)
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12/13/2008 10:10 PM
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Re: Vegans, I need your help!
My chicken soup (and other canned meat); I'm keeping my veggie soups
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12/13/2008 10:10 PM
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Re: Vegans, I need your help!
If you bake your own bread, put two drops of Lugol's iodine per 1 loaf of bread (four cups of flour). The yeast love it. Any more and it doesn't go so well; two drops is about right. Before 1980 iodine was the bread improver, however, since 1980 they use bromide. Bromide is an iodine mimic for the thyroid gland but doesn't do what Iodine does. Bromide is also part of chemtrails.

In bread too, use millet. It's moreish and anticancer.
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12/13/2008 10:15 PM
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Re: Vegans, I need your help!
An alternative to soya milk, if you can get it, is rice milk.
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12/13/2008 10:17 PM
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Re: Vegans, I need your help!
Well... I've decided not to eat the pizza... Maybe if it was just cheese pizza I could bare it, but I can't eat the pepperoni for some reason; just thinking about it is making me feel sick... Funny part is, on Wednesday I gobbled up abuch of chicken without a second thought, but now I'm having second thoughts!

Screw it... I'll have some waffles; test out my pure Grade B Maple Syrup I just bought :)
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12/13/2008 10:18 PM
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Re: Vegans, I need your help!
An alternative to soya milk, if you can get it, is rice milk.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 560510

I never heard of Rice Milk before!
I'm going to try that this week; thank you!
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12/13/2008 10:23 PM
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Re: Vegans, I need your help!
Lugol's iodine <--- where do you buy that?
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12/13/2008 10:26 PM
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Re: Vegans, I need your help!
It's probably easy to make your own rice milk, or mild from raw almonds (very expensive). I've haven't done it though, it's easier just to give up milk-like products.
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12/13/2008 10:30 PM
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Re: Vegans, I need your help!
So, OP, what's your problem with eating eggs from organic free-range chickens? Must confess that I can understand vegetarianism (although I don't practice it all the way) but this vegan stuff mystifies me. If an animal is well-cared for and well-fed, what can be wrong with eating products (like milk and eggs) that can be taken from it without killing it? Seriously, no one has ever 'splained that to me. Anyone care to try?
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12/13/2008 10:49 PM
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Re: Vegans, I need your help!
So, OP, what's your problem with eating eggs from organic free-range chickens? Must confess that I can understand vegetarianism (although I don't practice it all the way) but this vegan stuff mystifies me. If an animal is well-cared for and well-fed, what can be wrong with eating products (like milk and eggs) that can be taken from it without killing it? Seriously, no one has ever 'splained that to me. Anyone care to try?
 Quoting: BluzGal

Well, as I said in my first post, I really don't see anything wrong with eating eggs from organic free-ranged chickens
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12/13/2008 10:53 PM
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Re: Vegans, I need your help!
So, OP, what's your problem with eating eggs from organic free-range chickens? Must confess that I can understand vegetarianism (although I don't practice it all the way) but this vegan stuff mystifies me. If an animal is well-cared for and well-fed, what can be wrong with eating products (like milk and eggs) that can be taken from it without killing it? Seriously, no one has ever 'splained that to me. Anyone care to try?
 Quoting: BluzGal


I'm sure there are well-cared for grass eating dairy cattle that aren't injected or fed supplements of god knows what but how would find such a thing unless you know someone who does it or you do it yourself.
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12/13/2008 11:09 PM
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Re: Vegans, I need your help!
Eat the pizza unless you just can't do it emotionally.
I pat you on the back for what you are doing and wish you well in your transition.

I went thru the same experience not to long ago. I went through my kitchen and gave every last bit of food to the local food bank. Then tore up my yard and planted a garden. Little extreme I know but I actually feel better and am much happier. No more GMO, hormones, chemicals and it's fresh.

I guess I'm what a vegitarian would call a select-a-tarian tho...I found it hard to avoid eggs - dairy was easy to substitute but eggs..not so much. Buy local and buy organic is the best advice.

There is more to it than just the cruelty to the animals (even tho that should be enough to turn anyones stomach) there is also the dangers to the person consuming the meats that are factory farmed. Dangerous hormones and forced canablization to plump up the cows just makes avoiding meat a real no brainer.

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Speaking of no-brainer (pun intended) I would suggest avoiding dairy and all beef products all together if you can - cwd is a real risk even here in the states -

[link to www.msnbc.msn.com]
[link to www.foxnews.com]
[link to www.foodconsumer.org]
[link to www.america.gov]

Hunted meats are at risk too (since you made the choice to go vegan I'm not saying you'd kill bambi) just sayin... - do a google search on CWD, CJD, MadCow and Mad Deer. Here is a snippet from the CDC:

Chronic wasting disease (CWD) of deer and elk is endemic in a tri-corner area of Colorado, Wyoming, and Nebraska, and new foci of CWD have been detected in other parts of the United States. Although detection in some areas may be related to increased surveillance, introduction of CWD due to translocation or natural migration of animals may account for some new foci of infection. Increasing spread of CWD has raised concerns about the potential for increasing human exposure to the CWD agent. The foodborne transmission of bovine spongiform encephalopathy to humans indicates that the species barrier may not completely protect humans from animal prion diseases.

[link to www.organicconsumers.org]
[link to www.cdc.gov]

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g'luck!
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12/13/2008 11:11 PM
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Re: Vegans, I need your help!
*gnaws on a pepperoni stick while lmao*
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12/13/2008 11:16 PM
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Re: Vegans, I need your help!
Lugol's iodine <--- where do you buy that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 548848


It's aqueous iodine, not the tincture. You could probably look that up. There's a thread here, 'Nip's Up' that talks about it, so you must be able to get it.
Anonymous Coward
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12/13/2008 11:20 PM
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Re: Vegans, I need your help!
I read that Vegans eat nothing that comes from an animal. Nothing! There is a difference between a Vegan and a vegetarian.
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12/13/2008 11:26 PM
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Re: Vegans, I need your help!
A good thing to keep in mind OP as you make the transition is not to judge yourself. Take it one day at a time and be proud of every meal you eat that doesn't require a death, or saves a life! Every meal helps and is a potential victoy in itself.

Also Almond milk is awesome, even more goodness than rice milk. Almonds are particularly alakaline which helps prevent you from becoming too acidic.

Remember to be balanced and conscious, and to take it in your own time. There are no rules other than the decisions you are most comfortable with and feel right to you.

Good luck and congrats!
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12/14/2008 12:19 AM
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Take it one day at a time and be proud of every meal you eat that doesn't require a death, or saves a life! Every meal helps and is a potential victoy in itself.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 333302


all meals require death. even if you are vegan. you consume life so you can live. no diet will ever change that.
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12/14/2008 01:40 AM
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Re: Vegans, I need your help!
I read that Vegans eat nothing that comes from an animal. Nothing! There is a difference between a Vegan and a vegetarian.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 568644


Yes. I've only just gone vegan. I substituted tahini for butter or margarine which has milk in it.

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