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**BREAKING**Cort Wrotnowski's stay request (on Obama`s Citizenship) denied by SCOTUS
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tommy777
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Reality is BS
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12/15/2008 10:50 AM
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SCOTUS is part of the system. The system will not destroy itself. Stop looking to the system for solutions. |
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tommy777
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12/15/2008 10:56 AM | | Re: **BREAKING**Cort Wrotnowski's stay request (on Obama`s Citizenship) denied by SCOTUS | Quote |
Though: the "Recent Decisions" page on the Supreme Court site doesn`t mention it yet:
[link to www.supremecourtus.gov] |
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tommy777
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12/15/2008 10:58 AM | | Re: **BREAKING**Cort Wrotnowski's stay request (on Obama`s Citizenship) denied by SCOTUS | Quote |
From AP:
[link to www.google.com]
Court won't review Obama's eligibility to serve
16 minutes ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court has turned down another appeal arguing Barack Obama is ineligible to be president because of his citizenship.
The challenge by Cort Wrotnowski of Greenwich, Conn., was denied Monday without comment.
Wrotnowski argued that Obama was a British subject at birth and therefore cannot meet the requirement for becoming president.
He wanted the high court to halt presidential electors from meeting to formally elect Obama as president.
Echoing an appeal that was rejected by justices last week, Wrotnowski said that since Obama had dual nationality at birth — his mother was American, his Kenyan father was a British subject — he cannot possibly be a "natural born citizen." |
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tommy777
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12/15/2008 11:05 AM | |
tommy777
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12/15/2008 11:16 AM | | Re: **BREAKING**Cort Wrotnowski's stay request (on Obama`s Citizenship) denied by SCOTUS | Quote |
But why doesn`t the Supreme Court`s site mention it yet...? |
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Anonymous Coward
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12/15/2008 11:22 AM | | Re: **BREAKING**Cort Wrotnowski's stay request (on Obama`s Citizenship) denied by SCOTUS | Quote |
**BREAKING**  :bigbsflag: |
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anonymous
User ID: 572631
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12/15/2008 11:49 AM | | Re: **BREAKING**Cort Wrotnowski's stay request (on Obama`s Citizenship) denied by SCOTUS | Quote |
From AP:
[ link to www.google.com]
Court won't review Obama's eligibility to serve
16 minutes ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court has turned down another appeal arguing Barack Obama is ineligible to be president because of his citizenship.
The challenge by Cort Wrotnowski of Greenwich, Conn., was denied Monday without comment.
Wrotnowski argued that Obama was a British subject at birth and therefore cannot meet the requirement for becoming president.
He wanted the high court to halt presidential electors from meeting to formally elect Obama as president.
Echoing an appeal that was rejected by justices last week, Wrotnowski said that since Obama had dual nationality at birth — his mother was American, his Kenyan father was a British subject — he cannot possibly be a "natural born citizen."
obama colledge scholorships and grants was for foreign student Barry Soertero ..from obamas step dad who adopted obama and changed his name in kenya. . in kenya..real dad was kenyan but was already a married man and father and a muslim..as was obamas step daddy.. |
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anonymous
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United States
12/15/2008 11:51 AM | | Re: **BREAKING**Cort Wrotnowski's stay request (on Obama`s Citizenship) denied by SCOTUS | Quote |
From AP:
[ link to www.google.com]
Court won't review Obama's eligibility to serve
16 minutes ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court has turned down another appeal arguing Barack Obama is ineligible to be president because of his citizenship.
The challenge by Cort Wrotnowski of Greenwich, Conn., was denied Monday without comment.
Wrotnowski argued that Obama was a British subject at birth and therefore cannot meet the requirement for becoming president.
He wanted the high court to halt presidential electors from meeting to formally elect Obama as president.
Echoing an appeal that was rejected by justices last week, Wrotnowski said that since Obama had dual nationality at birth — his mother was American, his Kenyan father was a British subject — he cannot possibly be a "natural born citizen."
obama colledge scholorships and grants was for foreign student Barry Soertero ..from obamas step dad who adopted obama and changed his name in kenya. . in kenya..real dad was kenyan but was already a married man and father and a muslim..as was obamas step daddy.. |
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anonymous
User ID: 572631
United States
12/15/2008 11:51 AM | | Re: **BREAKING**Cort Wrotnowski's stay request (on Obama`s Citizenship) denied by SCOTUS | Quote |
From AP:
[ link to www.google.com]
Court won't review Obama's eligibility to serve
16 minutes ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court has turned down another appeal arguing Barack Obama is ineligible to be president because of his citizenship.
The challenge by Cort Wrotnowski of Greenwich, Conn., was denied Monday without comment.
Wrotnowski argued that Obama was a British subject at birth and therefore cannot meet the requirement for becoming president.
He wanted the high court to halt presidential electors from meeting to formally elect Obama as president.
Echoing an appeal that was rejected by justices last week, Wrotnowski said that since Obama had dual nationality at birth — his mother was American, his Kenyan father was a British subject — he cannot possibly be a "natural born citizen."
obama colledge scholorships and grants was for foreign student Barry Soertero ..from obamas step dad who adopted obama and changed his name in kenya. . in kenya..real dad was kenyan but was already a married man and father and a muslim..as was obamas step daddy.. |
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tommy777
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12/15/2008 11:54 AM | | Re: **BREAKING**Cort Wrotnowski's stay request (on Obama`s Citizenship) denied by SCOTUS | Quote |
1. O’s qualification can, legally, only be viably challenged AFTER the Electoral College vote (today) AND Congress certifies the winner. Prior to the EC vote, O’s candidacy is not formally recognized at a federal level, and it is only a state issue, and federally only an Elector could bring a case questioning his candidacy. Prior to Congress certifiying the winner, only a Congressman could bring a case questioning the would-be winner’s candidacy. SCOTUS must tread lightly.
2. “Natural born citizen” is actually not well defined legally. Many would reasonably contend “born here, full POTUS-qualified citizen”. Restricting it to “born here of parents BOTH US citizens” is hard to argue and require. O’s alleged dual-citizenship would be an easier target.
3. A legal document stating the state of HI vouches for his natural-born citizenship is sufficient. While there is room for discussion, a case would have to be very precise to viably question this “voucher” document and demand the original BC. If the case is inadequate in any way, SCOTUS won’t touch it.
4. O isn’t POTUS until January 20. Congress can’t be accused of certifying a disqualified candidate until January 8.
Upshot: while there is tremendous circumstantial evidence worthy of Supreme Court consideration, and possible disqualification of O, it is such a weighty issue with massive consequences that any viable case challenging O’s qualification must be JUST RIGHT before SCOTUS will run with it - and obviouly what they’ve seen so far isn’t good enough. The fact that SCOTUS _is_ entertaining _any_ cases is a good sign.
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tommy777
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12/15/2008 11:59 AM | |
Anonymous Coward
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12/15/2008 12:04 PM | | Re: **BREAKING**Cort Wrotnowski's stay request (on Obama`s Citizenship) denied by SCOTUS | Quote |
1. O’s qualification can, legally, only be viably challenged AFTER the Electoral College vote (today) AND Congress certifies the winner. Prior to the EC vote, O’s candidacy is not formally recognized at a federal level, and it is only a state issue, and federally only an Elector could bring a case questioning his candidacy. Prior to Congress certifiying the winner, only a Congressman could bring a case questioning the would-be winner’s candidacy. SCOTUS must tread lightly.
2. “Natural born citizen” is actually not well defined legally. Many would reasonably contend “born here, full POTUS-qualified citizen”. Restricting it to “born here of parents BOTH US citizens” is hard to argue and require. O’s alleged dual-citizenship would be an easier target.
3. A legal document stating the state of HI vouches for his natural-born citizenship is sufficient. While there is room for discussion, a case would have to be very precise to viably question this “voucher” document and demand the original BC. If the case is inadequate in any way, SCOTUS won’t touch it.
4. O isn’t POTUS until January 20. Congress can’t be accused of certifying a disqualified candidate until January 8.
Upshot: while there is tremendous circumstantial evidence worthy of Supreme Court consideration, and possible disqualification of O, it is such a weighty issue with massive consequences that any viable case challenging O’s qualification must be JUST RIGHT before SCOTUS will run with it - and obviouly what they’ve seen so far isn’t good enough. The fact that SCOTUS _is_ entertaining _any_ cases is a good sign.
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Its all about what does or does not constitute "acceptable proof". Its so easy to see. The US Constitution itself mandated NO FORM of Proof what so ever to be acceptable. Congress is not granted that power either. It is a power left strictly to the people, the People are to test individually whether or not they individualy accept a candidate's givne proof of natural born citizenship. It remains strictly a power reserved to the People, not the State and not the Federal Government. |
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Anonymous Coward
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12/15/2008 12:05 PM | |
Anonymous Coward
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12/15/2008 12:09 PM | | Re: **BREAKING**Cort Wrotnowski's stay request (on Obama`s Citizenship) denied by SCOTUS | Quote |
I have a 7 mo great grandson who was born in Germany. Both of his parents are from Indiana, USA
Are you trying to tell me that my great grandson is not an American Citizen? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 572844
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12/15/2008 12:10 PM | | Re: **BREAKING**Cort Wrotnowski's stay request (on Obama`s Citizenship) denied by SCOTUS | Quote |
I would think if a baby is conceived in the USA, it would be a US citizen anyway. |
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tommy777
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12/15/2008 12:15 PM | | Re: **BREAKING**Cort Wrotnowski's stay request (on Obama`s Citizenship) denied by SCOTUS | Quote |
I have a 7 mo great grandson who was born in Germany. Both of his parents are from Indiana, USA
Are you trying to tell me that my great grandson is not an American Citizen? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 572844
He always is a citizen in your case, but the Obama question is about something else; The Natural Born Citizenship!
In your case it depends: If the parents of your grandson, both were citizen at his birth, he is a Natural Born Citizen.
But: If one of the parents, at the time of his birth, still had the german nationality, he "only" is a citizen.. |
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Anonymous Coward
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 Anonymous Proxy
12/15/2008 12:17 PM | | Re: **BREAKING**Cort Wrotnowski's stay request (on Obama`s Citizenship) denied by SCOTUS | Quote |
The comments by the Obamabots on that website are sickening.They are truly the dumbest most anti American Idiots ever. |
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tommy777
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12/15/2008 12:20 PM | | Re: **BREAKING**Cort Wrotnowski's stay request (on Obama`s Citizenship) denied by SCOTUS | Quote |
I have a 7 mo great grandson who was born in Germany. Both of his parents are from Indiana, USA
Are you trying to tell me that my great grandson is not an American Citizen? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 572844
Something more:
A "Citizenship" is not the same as "A Natural Born Citizenship"
This is how my teacher explained the diferent types of citizens to us when I was a child. First she told us that there were three types of citizenship status by U.S. birth or parentage, by naturalization, and natural born which was by both parentage and birth combined. (Donofrio mentions four, but he just separated the first category into two.)
In my example Mrs. Smith was born in Germany and is still a German citizen. Mrs. Smith is married to Mr. Smith. Mr. Smith was born in Texas, and his parents are U.S. citizens too, so he is a “natural born” citizen. Mr. and Mrs. Smith have a son born in the United States. The son is a citizen by birth because he was born in the United States but he is not a “natural born” citizen because his parents each bestow their citizenship on the child, so the son can not grow up to be President. Mrs. Smith later becomes a U.S. Citizen. She is a Naturalized citizen. The son, however, still can’t grow up to be President since at birth he had divided loyalties and can never be considered a “natural born” citizen.
Now if both Mr. and Mrs. Smith were both German citizens, but were living in the United States, their child would still be a U.S. citizen by birth on U.S. soil, but he is still not a natural born citizen because both is parents are German citizens, and therefore their citizenship is bestowed on their child.
If Mr. Smith was a U.S. citizen and Mrs. Smith was a German citizen and they lived in Germany when their son was born, their son would be a U.S. citizen by his father’s parentage or by blood, since the father bestowed his U.S. Citizenship on his son. The son could not be president, however, because the mother also bestows her citizenship on the child and because he was born on foreign soil.
I hope this helps people to understand the different types of citizenship. In summary you need two parents to be U.S. Citizens at the time of your birth and you must be born on U.S. soil to be a “natural born” citizen. |
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Anonymous Coward
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12/15/2008 12:22 PM | | Re: **BREAKING**Cort Wrotnowski's stay request (on Obama`s Citizenship) denied by SCOTUS | Quote |
Since I was born here, i am a native american and the next time they want to see my birth certificate, they can all fuck off |
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tommy777
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12/15/2008 12:37 PM | | Re: **BREAKING**Cort Wrotnowski's stay request (on Obama`s Citizenship) denied by SCOTUS | Quote |
NO SCOTUS review until the EC votes are counted by the current VP.
SCOTUS can’t review until then: there is no official federal notice of the candidate before the President Of The Senate unseals the EC votes and counts them.
[link to www.freerepublic.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
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12/15/2008 12:41 PM | | Re: **BREAKING**Cort Wrotnowski's stay request (on Obama`s Citizenship) denied by SCOTUS | Quote |
Jesus christ you meme farmers are just trying to water the shit out of this Obama thing. |
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Anonymous Coward
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12/15/2008 12:43 PM | | Re: **BREAKING**Cort Wrotnowski's stay request (on Obama`s Citizenship) denied by SCOTUS | Quote |
keep it up crackers! It is the Black man's turn! WAHHHHHH!!!
See how YOU like oppression! |
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SHR  
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12/15/2008 12:43 PM
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Well, not surprising...Seems the SC isn't going to address the standing issue by granting any injuctions, at least not in that manner anyway. I think they are sending a signal that they do want to address the natural born citizen definition and qualification verification process prior to election. There really is no verification procedure at all laid out in the Constitution and the Definition of Natural born citizen is really been defined more or less by the Immigration and Naturalization acts...which are easily manipulated enough by those who write them. I don't think some of Supremes are too happy that if some members of congress feel like getting around the Constitution?...they can change the definition of a term that it contains since it really hasn't been defined well.
I think they are going to take it on, but they are going to take the case they want to that so they can address specifically what they want to and keep the secondary issues, such as standing, off the table....
Probably see it posted in the dockets soon.
(ORDER LIST: 555 U.S.)
MONDAY, DECEMBER 15, 2008
ORDERS IN PENDING CASES
08A469
WROTNOWSKI, CORT V. BYSIEWICZ, CT SEC. OF STATE
The application for stay and/or injunction addressed
to Justice Scalia and referred to the Court is denied.
[link to www.supremecourtus.gov]
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A spectacle monopolized, they hold the reins and stole your eyes
The fistagons, the bullets and bombs
Who stuff the banks, who staff the party ranks
More for Gore or the son of a drug lord.
None of the above....fuck it, cut the cord.
Lights out! Guerrilla Radio
Turn that shit up.
It has to start somewhere, It has to start sometime.
What better place than here, what better time than now?
All hell can't stop us now! |
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Anonymous Coward
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12/15/2008 12:45 PM | | Re: **BREAKING**Cort Wrotnowski's stay request (on Obama`s Citizenship) denied by SCOTUS | Quote |
Alan Keyes' case is the one to watch. |
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SHR
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12/15/2008 12:50 PM
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NO SCOTUS review until the EC votes are counted by the current VP.
SCOTUS can’t review until then: there is no official federal notice of the candidate before the President Of The Senate unseals the EC votes and counts them.
[ link to www.freerepublic.com]
Hmmmm....that's an interesting statement....it's also the only time as far as I know that any objections can be raised by the members of congress....and two have to do that also, in writing, one member of the house and one member of the senate. I wonder if the SC can or will ask for review if there are not objections raised and what the procedure is there. Would Cheney have to defer to them? I think he would if there was an objection raised.
Starting to get the feeling that it's going to be up to our elected officials to make a stand....gotta wonder what sort of chatter behind closed doors is going on about it.....
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A spectacle monopolized, they hold the reins and stole your eyes
The fistagons, the bullets and bombs
Who stuff the banks, who staff the party ranks
More for Gore or the son of a drug lord.
None of the above....fuck it, cut the cord.
Lights out! Guerrilla Radio
Turn that shit up.
It has to start somewhere, It has to start sometime.
What better place than here, what better time than now?
All hell can't stop us now! |
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Anonymous Coward
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United States
12/15/2008 12:51 PM | | Re: **BREAKING**Cort Wrotnowski's stay request (on Obama`s Citizenship) denied by SCOTUS | Quote |
SCOTUS rarely gives clowns an audience.  |
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tommy777
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12/15/2008 1:00 PM | | Re: **BREAKING**Cort Wrotnowski's stay request (on Obama`s Citizenship) denied by SCOTUS | Quote |
On January 8, 2009, both the U.S. Senate and House shall meet for the purpose of counting and certifying the electoral votes. After the vote has been counted, the President of the Senate shall call for objections. It is at this time that Federal officials in both the House and Senate may object to the certification of President-elect Obama by alleging that he fails to meet the Constitutional requirements to serve as President of the United States. |
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Anonymous Coward
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12/15/2008 1:01 PM | | Re: **BREAKING**Cort Wrotnowski's stay request (on Obama`s Citizenship) denied by SCOTUS | Quote |
SCOTUS rarely gives clowns an audience.
They gave audience to two Bushes and a Clinton. Thats clown enough for a dozen life times. |
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Anonymous Coward
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12/15/2008 1:06 PM | | Re: **BREAKING**Cort Wrotnowski's stay request (on Obama`s Citizenship) denied by SCOTUS | Quote |
Alan Keyes' case is the one to watch. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 483935
yep, it's not "racism" if another brutha takes barry down. |
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tommy777
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12/15/2008 1:07 PM | | Re: **BREAKING**Cort Wrotnowski's stay request (on Obama`s Citizenship) denied by SCOTUS | Quote |
NO SCOTUS review until the EC votes are counted by the current VP.
SCOTUS can’t review until then: there is no official federal notice of the candidate before the President Of The Senate unseals the EC votes and counts them.
[ link to www.freerepublic.com]
Hmmmm....that's an interesting statement....it's also the only time as far as I know that any objections can be raised by the members of congress....and two have to do that also, in writing, one member of the house and one member of the senate. I wonder if the SC can or will ask for review if there are not objections raised and what the procedure is there. Would Cheney have to defer to them? I think he would if there was an objection raised.
Starting to get the feeling that it's going to be up to our elected officials to make a stand....gotta wonder what sort of chatter behind closed doors is going on about it.....
AND:
President of the Senate is Dick Cheney |
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