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The Egyptian God Atum ( atom ?)

 
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what did the ancient egyptians know?

did visitors from the stars give them knowledge of the universe?




Atum (alternatively spelled Tem, Temu, Tum, and Atem) is an important deity in Egyptian mythology, whose cult centred on the city of Heliopolis. His name is thought to be derived from the word 'tem' which means to complete or finish. Thus he has been interpreted as being the 'complete one' and also the finisher of the world, which he returns to watery chaos at the end of the creative cycle. As creator he was seen as the underlying substance of the world, the deities and all things being made of his flesh or alternatively being his kas.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

In the Heliopolitan Ennead cosmogony established in the sixth dynasty, he was considered to be the first god, having created himself, sitting on a mound (benben) (or identified with the mound itself), from the primordial waters (Nu). Early myths state that Atum created the god Shu and goddess Tefnut from spitting or from his semen by masturbation in the city of Annu (the Egyptian name for Heliopolis)[1], a belief strongly associated with Atum's nature as an hermaphrodite (hence his name meaning completeness). Strictly, the myth states that Atum ejaculated his semen into his mouth, impregnating himself, possibly indicating autofellatio, which has led many to misinterpret (Via euphemism or Bowdlerization) the myth as indicating creation from mucus.
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Atum (alternatively spelled Tem, Temu, Tum, and Atem) is an important deity in Egyptian mythology, whose cult centred on the city of Heliopolis. His name is thought to be derived from the word 'tem' which means to complete or finish. Thus he has been interpreted as being the 'complete one' and also the finisher of the world, which he returns to watery chaos at the end of the creative cycle. As creator he was seen as the underlying substance of the world, the deities and all things being made of his flesh or alternatively being his kas.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

In the Heliopolitan Ennead cosmogony established in the sixth dynasty, he was considered to be the first god, having created himself, sitting on a mound (benben) (or identified with the mound itself), from the primordial waters (Nu). Early myths state that Atum created the god Shu and goddess Tefnut from spitting or from his semen by masturbation in the city of Annu (the Egyptian name for Heliopolis)[1], a belief strongly associated with Atum's nature as an hermaphrodite (hence his name meaning completeness). Strictly, the myth states that Atum ejaculated his semen into his mouth, impregnating himself, possibly indicating autofellatio, which has led many to misinterpret (Via euphemism or Bowdlerization) the myth as indicating creation from mucus.
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Iusaaset grandmother of deities

Another belief held that Shu and Tefnut were created by Atum having sexual intercourse with a goddess, referred to as Iusaaset (also spelt Juesaes, Ausaas, Iusas, and Jusas, and in Greek as Saosis), meaning the great one who comes forth. She was described as his shadow. Consequently, Iusaaset was seen as the mother and grandmother of the gods. The strength, hardiness, medical properties, and edibility, led the acacia tree to be considered the tree of life, and thus the oldest, which was situated close to, and north of, Heliopolis, was said to be the birthplace of the deities. Thus, as the mother and grandmother, of the deities, Iusaaset was said to own this tree.

In the Old Kingdom the Egyptians believed that Atum lifted the dead king's soul from his pyramid to the starry heavens.[2]. By the time of the New Kingdom, the Atum mythos, merged in the Egyptian pantheon with that of Ra, who was also the creator and a solar deity, their two identities were joined into Atum-Ra. But as Ra was the whole sun, and Atum became to be seen as the sun when it sets (depicted as an old man leaning on his staff), while Khepera was seen as the sun when it was rising.
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Atum (alternatively spelled Tem, Temu, Tum, and Atem) is an important deity in Egyptian mythology, whose cult centred on the city of Heliopolis. His name is thought to be derived from the word 'tem' which means to complete or finish. Thus he has been interpreted as being the 'complete one' and also the finisher of the world, which he returns to watery chaos at the end of the creative cycle. As creator he was seen as the underlying substance of the world, the deities and all things being made of his flesh or alternatively being his kas.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

In the Heliopolitan Ennead cosmogony established in the sixth dynasty, he was considered to be the first god, having created himself, sitting on a mound (benben) (or identified with the mound itself), from the primordial waters (Nu). Early myths state that Atum created the god Shu and goddess Tefnut from spitting or from his semen by masturbation in the city of Annu (the Egyptian name for Heliopolis)[1], a belief strongly associated with Atum's nature as an hermaphrodite (hence his name meaning completeness). Strictly, the myth states that Atum ejaculated his semen into his mouth, impregnating himself, possibly indicating autofellatio, which has led many to misinterpret (Via euphemism or Bowdlerization) the myth as indicating creation from mucus.

Iusaaset grandmother of deities

Another belief held that Shu and Tefnut were created by Atum having sexual intercourse with a goddess, referred to as Iusaaset (also spelt Juesaes, Ausaas, Iusas, and Jusas, and in Greek as Saosis), meaning the great one who comes forth. She was described as his shadow. Consequently, Iusaaset was seen as the mother and grandmother of the gods. The strength, hardiness, medical properties, and edibility, led the acacia tree to be considered the tree of life, and thus the oldest, which was situated close to, and north of, Heliopolis, was said to be the birthplace of the deities. Thus, as the mother and grandmother, of the deities, Iusaaset was said to own this tree.

In the Old Kingdom the Egyptians believed that Atum lifted the dead king's soul from his pyramid to the starry heavens.[2]. By the time of the New Kingdom, the Atum mythos, merged in the Egyptian pantheon with that of Ra, who was also the creator and a solar deity, their two identities were joined into Atum-Ra. But as Ra was the whole sun, and Atum became to be seen as the sun when it sets (depicted as an old man leaning on his staff), while Khepera was seen as the sun when it was rising.
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Atum is one of the most important and frequently mentioned deities from earliest times, as evidenced by his prominence in the Pyramid Texts, where he is portrayed as both a creator and father to the king.
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One time, I had a dream about being in a movie theatre...I was the only one there. The screen was wide and it was like in old school black and white, and a spiral appeared, black and white. Then, the letters ATEN went across the screen, and suddenly, I felt sucked into a vortex, and a hand took mine, very warm and reassuring. I was shown my good and bad side, and advised to remain neutral and in control at all times, and never favor one side over the other. My bad side was like this critter with fangs and sharp claws scaling a slimy looking wall, hissing. My good side was a golden orb that had no discernable form. I was looking up ATEN for months after that, and all I learned was a bunch of stuff about the Egyptian sun god...and a little of what you have here. Still don't understand it all.
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This is interesting:) Atum/Adam??? The story in Genesis is sparse. I think visitors from the Stars definitely corroborates with other creation myths considering that there's some type of reverence for the "snake" or serpent (Snake in the garden of Eden) all over the globe.Then examine the otherworldly beings that we today call Reptilians. Images of Quetzalcoatl look very reptile-like.
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what did the ancient egyptians know?

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Atum (alternatively spelled Tem, Temu, Tum, and Atem) is an important deity in Egyptian mythology, whose cult centred on the city of Heliopolis. His name is thought to be derived from the word 'tem' which means to complete or finish. Thus he has been interpreted as being the 'complete one' and also the finisher of the world, which he returns to watery chaos at the end of the creative cycle. As creator he was seen as the underlying substance of the world, the deities and all things being made of his flesh or alternatively being his kas.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

In the Heliopolitan Ennead cosmogony established in the sixth dynasty, he was considered to be the first god, having created himself, sitting on a mound (benben) (or identified with the mound itself), from the primordial waters (Nu). Early myths state that Atum created the god Shu and goddess Tefnut from spitting or from his semen by masturbation in the city of Annu (the Egyptian name for Heliopolis)[1], a belief strongly associated with Atum's nature as an hermaphrodite (hence his name meaning completeness). Strictly, the myth states that Atum ejaculated his semen into his mouth, impregnating himself, possibly indicating autofellatio, which has led many to misinterpret (Via euphemism or Bowdlerization) the myth as indicating creation from mucus.

Iusaaset grandmother of deities

Another belief held that Shu and Tefnut were created by Atum having sexual intercourse with a goddess, referred to as Iusaaset (also spelt Juesaes, Ausaas, Iusas, and Jusas, and in Greek as Saosis), meaning the great one who comes forth. She was described as his shadow. Consequently, Iusaaset was seen as the mother and grandmother of the gods. The strength, hardiness, medical properties, and edibility, led the acacia tree to be considered the tree of life, and thus the oldest, which was situated close to, and north of, Heliopolis, was said to be the birthplace of the deities. Thus, as the mother and grandmother, of the deities, Iusaaset was said to own this tree.

In the Old Kingdom the Egyptians believed that Atum lifted the dead king's soul from his pyramid to the starry heavens.[2]. By the time of the New Kingdom, the Atum mythos, merged in the Egyptian pantheon with that of Ra, who was also the creator and a solar deity, their two identities were joined into Atum-Ra. But as Ra was the whole sun, and Atum became to be seen as the sun when it sets (depicted as an old man leaning on his staff), while Khepera was seen as the sun when it was rising.
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Another belief held that Shu and Tefnut were created by Atum having sexual intercourse with a goddess, referred to as Iusaaset (also spelt Juesaes, Ausaas, Iusas, and Jusas, and in Greek as Saosis), meaning the great one who comes forth.
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very curious...
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This is interesting:) Atum/Adam??? The story in Genesis is sparse. I think visitors from the Stars definitely corroborates with other creation myths considering that there's some type of reverence for the "snake" or serpent (Snake in the garden of Eden) all over the globe.Then examine the otherworldly beings that we today call Reptilians. Images of Quetzalcoatl look very reptile-like.
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it´s "a bit" male centric i think.

the penis and the "juice of life". before humans knew much about ovaries.

men wanted to "own" religion.
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you might want to check this video out:

Magical Egypt (part 8): Cosmology

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what did the ancient egyptians know?

did visitors from the stars give them knowledge of the universe?<<

Yes, see Semjase's explanation to Billy Meier of the Creation in 'UFO Contact from the Pleiades' (near the bottom)


>>Atum (alternatively spelled Tem, Temu, Tum, and Atem) is an important deity in Egyptian mythology, whose cult centred on the city of Heliopolis. His name is thought to be derived from the word 'tem' which means to complete or finish. Thus he has been interpreted as being the 'complete one' and also the finisher of the world, which he returns to watery chaos at the end of the creative cycle. As creator he was seen as the underlying substance of the world, the deities and all things being made of his flesh or alternatively being his kas.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

In the Heliopolitan Ennead cosmogony established in the sixth dynasty, he was considered to be the first god, having created himself, sitting on a mound (benben) (or identified with the mound itself), from the primordial waters (Nu). Early myths state that Atum created the god Shu and goddess Tefnut from spitting or from his semen by masturbation in the city of Annu (the Egyptian name for Heliopolis)[1], a belief strongly associated with Atum's nature as an hermaphrodite (hence his name meaning completeness). Strictly, the myth states that Atum ejaculated his semen into his mouth, impregnating himself, possibly indicating autofellatio, which has led many to misinterpret (Via euphemism or Bowdlerization) the myth as indicating creation from mucus.
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Wonderful!

Atom is what everyone is, a point of consciousness in a mind-body complex. The body's purpose is to focus or limit the consciousness, make it objective or knowable by the mind. The human atom, the planetary atom (earth) or the solar atom, in addition to the elementary atoms. All are consciousness. There is nothing but consciousness, and we face consciousness as we look out.

Shu is an air god. Air is symbol of the mind.

Tefnut is the sky, or the stars ("we are stars"), or Being made objective in atoms, and is indirectly the soul or Buddi ('Reason' in the Bhaghvad Gita).

Sexual energy underwrites it all. "Atum ejaculating his semen into his mouth", shows the connection between physical and mental creation. The energy of the sexual center rises to the Throat center which is its destiny, or destination, when the energy is conserved and not wasted.

Kas is the life-force, or the energy of sex (duality). When it goes to the mouth, or the throat center, we know our place in the creation.

In that simple story of Atum is told the fall and the redemption of mankind, the reason for our reincarnation and the way ("I AM the Way, the Truth and the Life") to our redemption.

That's wonderful!


see 'The Size of our World' [link to www.rense.com]

What's the biggest Star? Antares in Scorpio.
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Atum (alternatively spelled Tem, Temu, Tum, and Atem) is an important deity in Egyptian mythology, whose cult centred on the city of Heliopolis. His name is thought to be derived from the word 'tem' which means to complete or finish. Thus he has been interpreted as being the 'complete one' and also the finisher of the world, which he returns to watery chaos at the end of the creative cycle. As creator he was seen as the underlying substance of the world, the deities and all things being made of his flesh or alternatively being his kas.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

In the Heliopolitan Ennead cosmogony established in the sixth dynasty, he was considered to be the first god, having created himself, sitting on a mound (benben) (or identified with the mound itself), from the primordial waters (Nu). Early myths state that Atum created the god Shu and goddess Tefnut from spitting or from his semen by masturbation in the city of Annu (the Egyptian name for Heliopolis)[1], a belief strongly associated with Atum's nature as an hermaphrodite (hence his name meaning completeness). Strictly, the myth states that Atum ejaculated his semen into his mouth, impregnating himself, possibly indicating autofellatio, which has led many to misinterpret (Via euphemism or Bowdlerization) the myth as indicating creation from mucus.
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Now this sounds like a story you can tell the kids!
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what did the ancient egyptians know?

did visitors from the stars give them knowledge of the universe?<<

Yes, see Semjase's explanation to Billy Meier of the Creation in 'UFO Contact from the Pleiades' (near the bottom)


>>Atum (alternatively spelled Tem, Temu, Tum, and Atem) is an important deity in Egyptian mythology, whose cult centred on the city of Heliopolis. His name is thought to be derived from the word 'tem' which means to complete or finish. Thus he has been interpreted as being the 'complete one' and also the finisher of the world, which he returns to watery chaos at the end of the creative cycle. As creator he was seen as the underlying substance of the world, the deities and all things being made of his flesh or alternatively being his kas.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

In the Heliopolitan Ennead cosmogony established in the sixth dynasty, he was considered to be the first god, having created himself, sitting on a mound (benben) (or identified with the mound itself), from the primordial waters (Nu). Early myths state that Atum created the god Shu and goddess Tefnut from spitting or from his semen by masturbation in the city of Annu (the Egyptian name for Heliopolis)[1], a belief strongly associated with Atum's nature as an hermaphrodite (hence his name meaning completeness). Strictly, the myth states that Atum ejaculated his semen into his mouth, impregnating himself, possibly indicating autofellatio, which has led many to misinterpret (Via euphemism or Bowdlerization) the myth as indicating creation from mucus.


Wonderful!

Atom is what everyone is, a point of consciousness in a mind-body complex. The body's purpose is to focus or limit the consciousness, make it objective or knowable by the mind. The human atom, the planetary atom (earth) or the solar atom, in addition to the elementary atoms. All are consciousness. There is nothing but consciousness, and we face consciousness as we look out.

Shu is an air god. Air is symbol of the mind.

Tefnut is the sky, or the stars ("we are stars"), or Being made objective in atoms, and is indirectly the soul or Buddi ('Reason' in the Bhaghvad Gita).

Sexual energy underwrites it all. "Atum ejaculating his semen into his mouth", shows the connection between physical and mental creation. The energy of the sexual center rises to the Throat center which is its destiny, or destination, when the energy is conserved and not wasted.

Kas is the life-force, or the energy of sex (duality). When it goes to the mouth, or the throat center, we know our place in the creation.

In that simple story of Atum is told the fall and the redemption of mankind, the reason for our reincarnation and the way ("I AM the Way, the Truth and the Life") to our redemption.

That's wonderful!


see 'The Size of our World' [link to www.rense.com]

What's the biggest Star? Antares in Scorpio.
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nice link.


cheers
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yes it is rofl
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did visitors from the stars give them knowledge of the universe?<<

Yes, see Semjase's explanation to Billy Meier of the Creation in 'UFO Contact from the Pleiades' (near the bottom)


>>Atum (alternatively spelled Tem, Temu, Tum, and Atem) is an important deity in Egyptian mythology, whose cult centred on the city of Heliopolis. His name is thought to be derived from the word 'tem' which means to complete or finish. Thus he has been interpreted as being the 'complete one' and also the finisher of the world, which he returns to watery chaos at the end of the creative cycle. As creator he was seen as the underlying substance of the world, the deities and all things being made of his flesh or alternatively being his kas.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

In the Heliopolitan Ennead cosmogony established in the sixth dynasty, he was considered to be the first god, having created himself, sitting on a mound (benben) (or identified with the mound itself), from the primordial waters (Nu). Early myths state that Atum created the god Shu and goddess Tefnut from spitting or from his semen by masturbation in the city of Annu (the Egyptian name for Heliopolis)[1], a belief strongly associated with Atum's nature as an hermaphrodite (hence his name meaning completeness). Strictly, the myth states that Atum ejaculated his semen into his mouth, impregnating himself, possibly indicating autofellatio, which has led many to misinterpret (Via euphemism or Bowdlerization) the myth as indicating creation from mucus.


Wonderful!

Atom is what everyone is, a point of consciousness in a mind-body complex. The body's purpose is to focus or limit the consciousness, make it objective or knowable by the mind. The human atom, the planetary atom (earth) or the solar atom, in addition to the elementary atoms. All are consciousness. There is nothing but consciousness, and we face consciousness as we look out.

Shu is an air god. Air is symbol of the mind.

Tefnut is the sky, or the stars ("we are stars"), or Being made objective in atoms, and is indirectly the soul or Buddi ('Reason' in the Bhaghvad Gita).

Sexual energy underwrites it all. "Atum ejaculating his semen into his mouth", shows the connection between physical and mental creation. The energy of the sexual center rises to the Throat center which is its destiny, or destination, when the energy is conserved and not wasted.

Kas is the life-force, or the energy of sex (duality). When it goes to the mouth, or the throat center, we know our place in the creation.

In that simple story of Atum is told the fall and the redemption of mankind, the reason for our reincarnation and the way ("I AM the Way, the Truth and the Life") to our redemption.

That's wonderful!


see 'The Size of our World' [link to www.rense.com]

What's the biggest Star? Antares in Scorpio.
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that is all very interesting but I still do not understand how jerking off and cumming in the mouth shows us our place in creation. I don't get it. explain more....

the story is fascinating though and great link too.
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This is interesting:) Atum/Adam??? The story in Genesis is sparse. I think visitors from the Stars definitely corroborates with other creation myths considering that there's some type of reverence for the "snake" or serpent (Snake in the garden of Eden) all over the globe.Then examine the otherworldly beings that we today call Reptilians. Images of Quetzalcoatl look very reptile-like.

it´s "a bit" male centric i think.

the penis and the "juice of life". before humans knew much about ovaries.

men wanted to "own" religion.
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must have been white males, right?
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This is interesting:) Atum/Adam??? The story in Genesis is sparse. I think visitors from the Stars definitely corroborates with other creation myths considering that there's some type of reverence for the "snake" or serpent (Snake in the garden of Eden) all over the globe.Then examine the otherworldly beings that we today call Reptilians. Images of Quetzalcoatl look very reptile-like.

it´s "a bit" male centric i think.

the penis and the "juice of life". before humans knew much about ovaries.

men wanted to "own" religion.



must have been white males, right?
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well, just look at todays organized religions everywhere...

but the goddess neith was the mother goddess of the universe in egypt.
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that is all very interesting but I still do not understand how jerking off and cumming in the mouth shows us our place in creation. I don't get it. explain more....

the story is fascinating though and great link too.
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Our connections are through correspondence. The sacral center energy goes to the third eye (brow) - seeing. The energy of reproductive center goes to the throat - creating. The energy of the solar plexus center goes to the heart center - feeling. We experience what we have created and we can know it.

Energy centers in the human body

Crown
Brow
Throat
Heart
Solar Plexus
Reproductive
Basal

Kundalini is the energy of positive matter (nuclear) and it rises to the 3rd Eye. That's the power of seeing. There is power and force in looking.

The last approximation is the brow center with the head center, when the energies of Spirit and matter enter into relationship, or a union.


Energy centers in the planet

United States
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Australia
Europe
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-

I don't know any more than that, for that is what I've read.


Energy centers in the solar system

Uranus
Neptune/Venus
Saturn
Earth
Mercury
Jupiter
Mars


Energy centers in our part of the universe

Great Bear
Capricorn
Pleiades
Sun, the Pointers and the Southern Cross
Sirius
Orion
Draco


When we work with our physical bodies and in our personal lives, we influence everything else.
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The energy of the throat center is aligned with Saturn and the Pleiades. It's the same type of energy, or energy that has been typed or colored.
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what did the ancient egyptians know?

did visitors from the stars give them knowledge of the universe?




Atum (alternatively spelled Tem, Temu, Tum, and Atem) is an important deity in Egyptian mythology, whose cult centred on the city of Heliopolis. His name is thought to be derived from the word 'tem' which means to complete or finish. Thus he has been interpreted as being the 'complete one' and also the finisher of the world, which he returns to watery chaos at the end of the creative cycle. As creator he was seen as the underlying substance of the world, the deities and all things being made of his flesh or alternatively being his kas.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

In the Heliopolitan Ennead cosmogony established in the sixth dynasty, he was considered to be the first god, having created himself, sitting on a mound (benben) (or identified with the mound itself), from the primordial waters (Nu). Early myths state that Atum created the god Shu and goddess Tefnut from spitting or from his semen by masturbation in the city of Annu (the Egyptian name for Heliopolis)[1], a belief strongly associated with Atum's nature as an hermaphrodite (hence his name meaning completeness). Strictly, the myth states that Atum ejaculated his semen into his mouth, impregnating himself, possibly indicating autofellatio, which has led many to misinterpret (Via euphemism or Bowdlerization) the myth as indicating creation from mucus.

Iusaaset grandmother of deities

Another belief held that Shu and Tefnut were created by Atum having sexual intercourse with a goddess, referred to as Iusaaset (also spelt Juesaes, Ausaas, Iusas, and Jusas, and in Greek as Saosis), meaning the great one who comes forth. She was described as his shadow. Consequently, Iusaaset was seen as the mother and grandmother of the gods. The strength, hardiness, medical properties, and edibility, led the acacia tree to be considered the tree of life, and thus the oldest, which was situated close to, and north of, Heliopolis, was said to be the birthplace of the deities. Thus, as the mother and grandmother, of the deities, Iusaaset was said to own this tree.

In the Old Kingdom the Egyptians believed that Atum lifted the dead king's soul from his pyramid to the starry heavens.[2]. By the time of the New Kingdom, the Atum mythos, merged in the Egyptian pantheon with that of Ra, who was also the creator and a solar deity, their two identities were joined into Atum-Ra. But as Ra was the whole sun, and Atum became to be seen as the sun when it sets (depicted as an old man leaning on his staff), while Khepera was seen as the sun when it was rising.

Another belief held that Shu and Tefnut were created by Atum having sexual intercourse with a goddess, referred to as Iusaaset (also spelt Juesaes, Ausaas, Iusas, and Jusas, and in Greek as Saosis), meaning the great one who comes forth.
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very curious...
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pope ohyeah
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Below is a list of the largest known stars by radius (half of the diameter). A unit of measurement is the radius of the Sun (approximately 695,500 kilometers, or 432,450 miles).

The exact order of this list is not complete yet, nor is it completely well defined:

Double stars here are sometimes treated individually, while other lists may combine them.
There are statistical variations in measured values.



List of the largest stars Star name Solar radii
(Sun = 1)
VY Canis Majoris 1800-2100[1]
WOH G64 2000
VV Cephei A 1600-1900
V354 Cephei 1520
RW Cephei 1260-1610
KW Sagitarii 1460
KY Cygni 1420or1440
Mu Cephei (Herschel's "Garnet Star") 1420
Betelgeuse (Alpha Orionis) 950-1000[1][2]
V509 Cassiopeiae 910
V838 Monocerotis 800
V382 Carinae 747
Antares (Alpha Scorpii) 700 [3]
S Pegasi 580 [4]
S Doradus 550
T Cephei 540 [5]
S Orionis 530 [6]
W Hydrae 520 [7]
119 Tauri 510 [8]
R Cassiopeiae 500 [9]
Delta Canis Majoris (Wezen) 482
Chi Cygni 470 [10]
Alpha Herculis (Ras Algethi) 460
Rho Cassiopeiae 450
Mira A (Omicron Ceti) 400 [11]
Eta Carinae 400[citation needed]
R Doradus 370
HR Carinae 350
R Leonis 350 [12]
The Pistol Star 340
La Superba (Y Canum Venaticorum) 300
Deneb (Alpha Cygni) 220
LBV 1806-20 200
Epsilon Aurigae A 175
Zeta Aurigae 160 [13]
Epsilon Pegasi (Enif) 150
Gamma Crucis (Gacrux) 113
Gamma Andromedae 83
Alpha Leporis (Arneb) 77
Rigel (Beta Orionis) 70
Epsilon Carinae 70
R Coronae Borealis 65
Canopus (Alpha Carinae) 65
Delta Orionis (Mintaka) 60
Zeta Orionis (Alnitak) 60
Alpha Persei (Mirfak) 60
Zeta Geminorum (Mekbuda) 60
Eta Aquilae 60
Gamma Draconis (Eltanin) 50
Aldebaran (Alpha Tauri) 43 [14]
Beta Ursae Minoris (Kochab) 41
Beta Cygni A1 16
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what did the ancient egyptians know?

did visitors from the stars give them knowledge of the universe?




Atum (alternatively spelled Tem, Temu, Tum, and Atem) is an important deity in Egyptian mythology, whose cult centred on the city of Heliopolis. His name is thought to be derived from the word 'tem' which means to complete or finish. Thus he has been interpreted as being the 'complete one' and also the finisher of the world, which he returns to watery chaos at the end of the creative cycle. As creator he was seen as the underlying substance of the world, the deities and all things being made of his flesh or alternatively being his kas.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

In the Heliopolitan Ennead cosmogony established in the sixth dynasty, he was considered to be the first god, having created himself, sitting on a mound (benben) (or identified with the mound itself), from the primordial waters (Nu). Early myths state that Atum created the god Shu and goddess Tefnut from spitting or from his semen by masturbation in the city of Annu (the Egyptian name for Heliopolis)[1], a belief strongly associated with Atum's nature as an hermaphrodite (hence his name meaning completeness). Strictly, the myth states that Atum ejaculated his semen into his mouth, impregnating himself, possibly indicating autofellatio, which has led many to misinterpret (Via euphemism or Bowdlerization) the myth as indicating creation from mucus.

Iusaaset grandmother of deities

Another belief held that Shu and Tefnut were created by Atum having sexual intercourse with a goddess, referred to as Iusaaset (also spelt Juesaes, Ausaas, Iusas, and Jusas, and in Greek as Saosis), meaning the great one who comes forth. She was described as his shadow. Consequently, Iusaaset was seen as the mother and grandmother of the gods. The strength, hardiness, medical properties, and edibility, led the acacia tree to be considered the tree of life, and thus the oldest, which was situated close to, and north of, Heliopolis, was said to be the birthplace of the deities. Thus, as the mother and grandmother, of the deities, Iusaaset was said to own this tree.

In the Old Kingdom the Egyptians believed that Atum lifted the dead king's soul from his pyramid to the starry heavens.[2]. By the time of the New Kingdom, the Atum mythos, merged in the Egyptian pantheon with that of Ra, who was also the creator and a solar deity, their two identities were joined into Atum-Ra. But as Ra was the whole sun, and Atum became to be seen as the sun when it sets (depicted as an old man leaning on his staff), while Khepera was seen as the sun when it was rising.

Another belief held that Shu and Tefnut were created by Atum having sexual intercourse with a goddess, referred to as Iusaaset (also spelt Juesaes, Ausaas, Iusas, and Jusas, and in Greek as Saosis), meaning the great one who comes forth.
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very curious...

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does the word "hell" come from heliopolis ?

hell means bright in german though...
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OP check out my website, i'm sure you will find it informative.

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OP check out my website, i'm sure you will find it informative.

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what did the ancient egyptians know?

did visitors from the stars give them knowledge of the universe?




Atum (alternatively spelled Tem, Temu, Tum, and Atem) is an important deity in Egyptian mythology, whose cult centred on the city of Heliopolis. His name is thought to be derived from the word 'tem' which means to complete or finish. Thus he has been interpreted as being the 'complete one' and also the finisher of the world, which he returns to watery chaos at the end of the creative cycle. As creator he was seen as the underlying substance of the world, the deities and all things being made of his flesh or alternatively being his kas.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

In the Heliopolitan Ennead cosmogony established in the sixth dynasty, he was considered to be the first god, having created himself, sitting on a mound (benben) (or identified with the mound itself), from the primordial waters (Nu). Early myths state that Atum created the god Shu and goddess Tefnut from spitting or from his semen by masturbation in the city of Annu (the Egyptian name for Heliopolis)[1], a belief strongly associated with Atum's nature as an hermaphrodite (hence his name meaning completeness). Strictly, the myth states that Atum ejaculated his semen into his mouth, impregnating himself, possibly indicating autofellatio, which has led many to misinterpret (Via euphemism or Bowdlerization) the myth as indicating creation from mucus.

Iusaaset grandmother of deities

Another belief held that Shu and Tefnut were created by Atum having sexual intercourse with a goddess, referred to as Iusaaset (also spelt Juesaes, Ausaas, Iusas, and Jusas, and in Greek as Saosis), meaning the great one who comes forth. She was described as his shadow. Consequently, Iusaaset was seen as the mother and grandmother of the gods. The strength, hardiness, medical properties, and edibility, led the acacia tree to be considered the tree of life, and thus the oldest, which was situated close to, and north of, Heliopolis, was said to be the birthplace of the deities. Thus, as the mother and grandmother, of the deities, Iusaaset was said to own this tree.

In the Old Kingdom the Egyptians believed that Atum lifted the dead king's soul from his pyramid to the starry heavens.[2]. By the time of the New Kingdom, the Atum mythos, merged in the Egyptian pantheon with that of Ra, who was also the creator and a solar deity, their two identities were joined into Atum-Ra. But as Ra was the whole sun, and Atum became to be seen as the sun when it sets (depicted as an old man leaning on his staff), while Khepera was seen as the sun when it was rising.

Another belief held that Shu and Tefnut were created by Atum having sexual intercourse with a goddess, referred to as Iusaaset (also spelt Juesaes, Ausaas, Iusas, and Jusas, and in Greek as Saosis), meaning the great one who comes forth.
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very curious...

pope ohyeah

does the word "hell" come from heliopolis ?

hell means bright in german though...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 547744

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Heliopolis (or On) (Greek: &#7977;&#955;&#943;&#959;&#965; &#960;&#972;&#955;&#953;&#962; or &#7977;&#955;&#953;&#959;&#973;&#960;&#959;&#955;&#953;&#962;​), meaning sun-city, was one of the most ancient cities of Egypt, and capital of the 13th Lower Egyptian nome.

In ancient times it was the principal seat of sun-worship, thus its name, which means city of the sun in Greek.

Now Heliopolis contain the earliest temple obelisk still in its original position.

According to Diodorus Siculus Heliopolis was built by Actis, one of the sons of Helios and Rhode, who named the city after his father.[4] While all Greek cities were destroyed during the flood, the Egyptian cities including Heliopolis survived. The chief deity of Heliopolis was the god Atum, who was worshipped in the primary temple, which was known by the names Per-Aat (pr-&#705;3t; "Great House") and Per-Atum (pr-&#7881;tmw; "Temple [lit. "House"] of Atum"). The city was also the original source of the worship of the Ennead pantheon, although in later times, as Horus gained in prominence, worship focused on the synchrentistic solar deity Ra-harakhty (literally Ra, (who is) Horus of the Two Horizons). During the Amarna Period, king Akhenaten introduced monotheistic or perhaps henotheistic worship of Aten, the deified solar disc, built here a temple named Wetjes Aten (w&#7791;s &#7881;tn "Elevating the Sun-disc"). Blocks from this temple were later used to build the city walls of mediaeval Cairo and can be seen in some of the city gates. The cult of the Mnevis bull, an embodiment of the god Ra, had its centre here, and possessed a formal burial ground north of the city.

As the capital of Egypt for a period of time, grain was stored in Heliopolis for the winter months, when many people would descend on the town to be fed, leading to it gaining the title place of bread. The Book of the Dead goes further and describes how Heliopolis was the place of multiplying bread, recounting a myth in which Horus feeds the masses there with only 7 loaves.

Heliopolis was well known to the ancient Greeks and Romans

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Baalbek now in modern Lebanon, also known to the Romans as "Heliopolis"

Prehistory

The history of Baalbeck dates back around 5000 years. Excavations near the Jupiter temple have revealed the existence of ancient human habitation dating to the Early Bronze Age (2900-2300 BC). The Phoenicians settled in Baalbeck as early as 2000 BC and built their first temple dedicated to the God Baal, the Sun God, from which the city got its name.

19th century Bible archaeologists wanted to connect Baalbeck to the "Baalgad" mentioned in Joshua 11:17, but the assertion has not been taken up in modern times. In fact, this minor Phoenician city, named for the "Lord (Baal) of the Beqaa valley" lacked enough commercial or strategic importance to rate a mention in Assyrian or Egyptian records so far uncovered, according to Hélène Sader, professor of archaeology at the American University of Beirut.
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As the capital of Egypt for a period of time, grain was stored in Heliopolis for the winter months, when many people would descend on the town to be fed, leading to it gaining the title place of bread. The Book of the Dead goes further and describes how Heliopolis was the place of multiplying bread, recounting a myth in which Horus feeds the masses there with only 7 loaves.

Heliopolis was well known to the ancient Greeks and Romans
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what about the copyrights ?







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amen

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sounds familiar...
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As the capital of Egypt for a period of time, grain was stored in Heliopolis for the winter months, when many people would descend on the town to be fed, leading to it gaining the title place of bread. The Book of the Dead goes further and describes how Heliopolis was the place of multiplying bread, recounting a myth in which Horus feeds the masses there with only 7 loaves.

Heliopolis was well known to the ancient Greeks and Romans
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those blind judaists/xtians should do their homework.

read some history.
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does the word "hell" come from heliopolis ?

hell means bright in german though...
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Heliopolis means City of the Sun.
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does the word "hell" come from heliopolis ?

hell means bright in german though...

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Heliopolis means City of the Sun.
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check out the hieroglyph.

has the solar "X".

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