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What would the Spartans think?

 
Anonymous Coward
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12/19/2008 11:22 AM
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Re: What would the Spartans think?
What I really like not just about Spartans or Greeks, but about other ancient cultures as well, was that the kings and the governors were always in the front line on wars.
Many times the armies just watched their leaders fight one against the other and waited to see who was to win the war.

Imagine this happening today!


It would require admitting that the necessity of war is ritualistic, not rational.


But it is in most cases, isnt it?
 Quoting: Ostria


Ritualistic or Rational?

I'm saying that the we seek "reasons" for war and we've seen it's "logical" conclusion - nuclear warheads. Pursuing war "rationally" has now made the prospect of "total war" completely irrational - yet we refuse to take it off the table as an option.

However, as many claim war doesn't go away. Even if you can exclude "resource-based conflict" there will still be "unnecessary" war which is called necessary.

By admitting war serves a ritualistic purpose in addition to, or perhaps prior to a "rational" one, we may better direct the release of these energies in a less harmful way.
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12/19/2008 03:44 PM
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Re: What would the Spartans think?
Spartans dont say much.



"gamo tis koukoules" , this is our answer

Greetings from Xirokampi , Lakonia
Ostria

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12/19/2008 03:58 PM
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Ritualistic or Rational?

I'm saying that the we seek "reasons" for war and we've seen it's "logical" conclusion - nuclear warheads. Pursuing war "rationally" has now made the prospect of "total war" completely irrational - yet we refuse to take it off the table as an option.

However, as many claim war doesn't go away. Even if you can exclude "resource-based conflict" there will still be "unnecessary" war which is called necessary.

By admitting war serves a ritualistic purpose in addition to, or perhaps prior to a "rational" one, we may better direct the release of these energies in a less harmful way.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 372008


Rational is this saying of Herodotus on war
"For there is no one so foolish as to prefer war to peace: for in one sons are burying fathers, and in the other fathers are burying sons."

But Heracletus said something else
"War is the father of all and the king of all"

they both are rational in a way.
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12/19/2008 04:01 PM
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FREEEEEEEEEEDOMMMMMM!

oh wait...wrong movie....never mind....
Ostria

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12/19/2008 04:01 PM
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Re: What would the Spartans think?
Spartans dont say much.



"gamo tis koukoules" , this is our answer

Greetings from Xirokampi , Lakonia
 Quoting: Leonidas 575588



Spartans also said this: We dont need many laws because we dont talk much.

I guess they meant "but we act"

kalispera kai se sena
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12/19/2008 05:10 PM
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Re: What would the Spartans think?
i dunno. I guess it depends on how many "unfit" babies they threw off cliffs or left to die of exposure.

Sparta was a barbaric shit-hole of a "civilization" that couldn't do anything but conquer, destroy, and enslave.

Interesting that in contemporary society Sparta is idealized while Athenian culture is largely ignored.

Viva Athens!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 372008

Yeah!





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