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God Or Science? A Belief In One Weakens Positive Feelings For The Other

 
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A person's unconscious attitudes toward science and God may be fundamentally opposed, researchers report, depending on how religion and science are used to answer "ultimate" questions such as how the universe began or the origin of life.

What's more, those views can be manipulated, the researchers found. After using science or God to explain such important questions, most people display a preference for one and a neutral or even negative attitude toward the other. This effect appears to be independent of a person's religious background or views, says University of Illinois psychology professor Jesse Preston, who led the research.

Preston and her colleague, Nicholas Epley, of the University of Chicago, wanted to explore how information about science influences a belief in God, and how religious teaching can also cause people to doubt certain scientific theories.

"As far as I know, no one has looked experimentally at an opposition between belief in science and religion," Preston said.

"It seemed to me that both science and religion as systems were very good at explaining a lot, accounting for a lot of the information that we have in our environment," she said. "But if they are both ultimate explanations, at some point they have to conflict with each another because they can't possibly both explain everything."

The researchers conducted two experiments designed to manipulate how well science or God can be used as explanations. In the first, 129 volunteers read short summaries of the Big Bang theory and the "Primordial Soup Hypothesis," a scientific theory of the origin of life.

Half then read a statement that said that the theories were strong and supported by the data. The other half read that the theories "raised more questions than they answered."

In the second experiment, which involved 27 undergraduate students, half of the study subjects had to "list six things that you think God can explain." The others were asked to "list six things that you think can explain or influence God."

All the subjects were then required to quickly categorize various words as positive or negative on a computer.

"What they didn't realize was that they were being subliminally primed immediately before each word," Preston said. "So right before the word 'awful' came up on the screen, for example, there was a 15-millisecond flash of either 'God' or 'science' or a control word."

A 15-millisecond visual cue is too brief to register in the conscious mind, but the brief word flash did have an effect. Those who had read statements emphasizing the explanatory power of science prior to the test were able to categorize positive words appearing just after the word, "science," more quickly than those who had read statements critical of the scientific theories.

Those who were asked to use God as an ultimate explanation for various phenomena displayed a more positive association with God and a much more negative association with science than those directed to list other things that can explain God, the researchers found.

Similarly, those who read the statement suggesting that the scientific theories were weak were extremely slow to identify negative words that appeared after they were primed with the word "God," Preston said.

"It was like they didn't want to say no to God," she said.

"What is really intriguing is that the larger effect happens on the opposite belief," she said. "When God isn't being used to explain much, people have a positive attitude toward science. But when God is being used to account for many events – especially the things that they list, which are life, the universe, free will, these big questions – then somehow science loses its value."

"On the other hand, people may have a generally positive view of science until it fails to explain the important questions. Then belief in God may be boosted to fill in the gap," she said.

The most obvious implication of the research is that "to be compatible, science and religion need to stick to their own territories, their own explanatory space," Preston said. "However, religion and science have never been able to do that, so to me this suggests that the debate is going to go on. It's never going to be settled."

The study appears in the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology.
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It`s basically the same. Science=religion/sectarianism
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It`s basically the same. Science=religion/sectarianism
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Worse than that. Science = occult alchemy. Not stuff like geology, but medicine and physics.
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I believe Razrin is a cocksucker.
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I believe Razrin is a cocksucker.
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It`s basically the same. Science=religion/sectarianism


Worse than that. Science = occult alchemy. Not stuff like geology, but medicine and physics.
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So you have never and will never see a doctor no matter what kind of disease you have?
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20 years of research published in 46 scientific papers proving the essential unity of religious and scientific knowledge:
[link to smphillips.8m.com]
Spend a few months mastering these papers that prove how the superstring, music and the human skeleton conform to the divine paradigm recorded in the sacred geometries of Judaism, Hinduism and Chinese Taoism and you will cease to remain uncertain as to the existence of God. But be advised: you will need mathematical ability and perseverance.
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Cant have God without science and cant have science without God.

Trust me that is the way it works.

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Science is our natural God.
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Cant have God without science and cant have science without God.

Trust me that is the way it works.

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Science can be an expression of God.
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Your poll is skewed. I can't choose "all of the above".

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What if God is Truth? Would you believe in Truth and that truth goes well with science?
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What if God is Truth? Would you believe in Truth and that truth goes well with science?
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Science is a way to listen to god. Or watch. And feel.
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I believe in three of the choices but can't vote for them all.I don't want to have to choose.
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God and science mix nicely. Here is the foundation for the study of God (the study of Truth) from which the things of science can be studied also. God and science fit each other.

ALPHA OMEGA NEW JERUSALEM CALENDAR

ALPHA OMEGA DAY 0/0
VERNAL EQUINOX

FIRST MONTH - MARCH
1st...2nd...3rd...4th...5th...6th...7th
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Sun..Mon...Tue..Wed...Thu..Fri...Sat
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SECOND MONTH - APRIL
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THIRD MONTH - MAY
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FOURTH MONTH - JUNE
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FIFTH MONTH - JULY
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SIXTH MONTH - AUGUST
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SEVENTH MONTH - SEPTEMBER
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EIGHTH MONTH - OCTOBER
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NINTH MONTH - NOVEMBER
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TENTH MONTH - DECEMBER
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ELEVENTH MONTH - JANUARY
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TWELFTH MONTH - FEBRUARY
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HOLY DAY PERIODS:
1/14-21 PASSOVER/FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD/EASTER
3/8 PENTECOST
7/1 FEAST OF TRUMPETS
7/10 DAY OF ATONEMENT
7/15-21 FEAST OF TABERNACLES
7/22 LAST GREAT DAY

LEVITICUS 23:38 FREEWILL OFFERINGS:

0/0 ALPHA OMEGA DAY - VERNAL EQUINOX
0/1 **ALPHA OMEGA LEAP DAY IS EVERY 4 YEARS
2/28 MOTHER’S DAY - CELEBRATE THE MOTHER SPIRIT
3/28 FATHER’S DAY - CELEBRATE THE FATHER SPIRIT
4/17-24 GOD’S INDEPENDENCE CELEBRATION – CELEBRATE THE
SPIRIT OF FREEDOM
8/17 HALLOWEEN - CELEBRATE THE SPIRIT OF CREATIVITY
9/4 TRUTH DAY THANKSGIVING - GIVE THANKS TO THE SPIRIT
GOD OF TRUTH
10/2-9 FESTIVAL OF LIGHTS CHRISTMAS – CELEBRATE THE
SPIRIT OF VICTORY IN GOD/JESUS THE FATHER/SON OF
LIGHTS
11/32 LOVE DAY - CELEBRATE THE SPIRIT OF LOVE
12/14-15 FEAST OF PUR - CELEBRATE GOD’S PEOPLE BEING
DELIVERED FROM THOSE WHO WANTED TO KILL THEM. A TIME
OF FEASTING AND GLADNESS.

HAPPY NEW YEAR IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD!
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Wow; I just voted, and the results: god and intuition are both at 17.6. Intuition = not idolizing god... Keep the pineal gland, the connection to god, pure.
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Imagine the public school system being based on the New Jerusalem foundation of God and then the children learn about their science things also. Math, Science, English.
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You are probably of the consensus generation, young man. Science is man's attempt to become "like God", to have the power that belongs to him for their own purposes. I'm not saying that curiosity is wrong or that the scientific process for learning and understanding the world we live in is wrong, but using this knowledge as a weapon to try to disprove and remove the wonder of THE CREATOR GOD, is plain declaring war on him. You are and will continue to see the effects of declaring war on God. It's not pretty and in truth, is a religion into and of itself, though it is idolatrous and satanic. Pawns in a game you don't even believe exists, babe.

As for God, He certainly does exists! He Loves you very much and wants you to come to him. However, He is Sovereign and Heaven is NOT a democracy. Men hate this and satan uses it to appeal to men, tempt them into disbelief, rage, inappropriate fear of God. We humans have a means of thinking that is not correct.

God's ways are not our ways, and his thoughts are higher than our thoughts. He created everything from nothing, Baruch. Can I prove this to you, 100%, so that you have no intellectual doubts? No, but I believe in Jesus Christ as his Son, one of the three beings that make up the Godhead, the Promised of God. He is Emmanuel, God with Us, and to me the fact that God Himself, as they are one-the Father, Jesus, The Master's Spirit, came to Earth as a man, lived among us, suffered among us, died showing us how to defeat the Spiritual Enemy and his Satanic forces, and was Risen from the Dead,The Firstborn of All Creation! To me, that is more real and amazing than all the science knowledge in the world. God Loves Me That Much! He Did This For Me and For You. He bought us back with his blood from Satan, who today is the prince of this world as our forefather Adam gave up dominion over this planet when he gave in to Satan.

7For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

15But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

17For if by one man's offence (Adams) death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

God doesn't think or act as men do, so you can't understand Him through the thinking of men. Satan knows this, so he muddies the water with confusion to keep men from understanding God. Jesus did what Adam should have done. He refused to sin and took the punishment for his loved ones upon himself. This is The Love of God, and it is not in most men.

So, no the comparison is incorrect. Science and God are not even on the same level. There is the logical problem. Science is man creation by our understanding, but God does not play by man's rules-He made man and everything that man now considers mere toys to be manipulated to their own ends. Arrogance of men.
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Okay; did OP link God and Intuition? They are still the same...
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The New Jerusalem Calendar is a bunch of B.S. Why do you not take out the days; for they are pagan!!!! Still worship on a Pagan day????
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Intuition, what are you meaning? The desires of one's heart? What one wants to think is real? Do you think you can't be deceived, even by your own heart?

6-8Jesus answered, "Isaiah was right about frauds like you, hit the bull's-eye in fact:

These people make a big show of saying the right thing,
but their heart isn't in it.

They act like they are worshiping me,
but they don't mean it.

They just use me as a cover
for teaching whatever suits their fancy,

Ditching God's command
and taking up the latest fads."

9-13He went on, "Well, good for you. You get rid of God's command so you won't be inconvenienced in following the religious fashions! Moses said, 'Respect your father and mother,' and, 'Anyone denouncing father or mother should be killed.' But you weasel out of that by saying that it's perfectly acceptable to say to father or mother, 'Gift! What I owed you I've given as a gift to God,' thus relieving yourselves of obligation to father or mother. You scratch out God's Word and scrawl a whim in its place. You do a lot of things like this."

14-15Jesus called the crowd together again and said, "Listen now, all of you— take this to heart. It's not what you swallow that pollutes your life; it's what you vomit—that's the real pollution."

17When he was back home after being with the crowd, his disciples said, "We don't get it. Put it in plain language."

18-19Jesus said, "Are you being willfully stupid? Don't you see that what you swallow can't contaminate you? It doesn't enter your heart but your stomach, works its way through the intestines, and is finally flushed." (That took care of dietary quibbling; Jesus was saying that all foods are fit to eat.)

20-23He went on: "It's what comes out of a person that pollutes: obscenities, lusts, thefts, murders, adulteries, greed, depravity, deceptive dealings, carousing, mean looks, slander, arrogance, foolishness—all these are vomit from the heart. There is the source of your pollution."

This was taken from The Message New Testament, which is easier to understand. The point is that intuition mustn't be trusted, it is not God Given and we can be deceived. Satan knows this and as I said before, he muddies the water using our arrogant desires against us. He makes then "the latest fad", and men fall down and worship at his feet in ignorance of what they are doing. Be Careful and Know the tricks of the enemy.





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