BIBLE: Over 650 prophecies have been fulfilled. None have ever been proven false. God used prophecy as His primary test of divine authorship.

That's funny; there are powerful Europeans that have come to see me and have trembled in my prescience. I doubt that you are smart enough to be afraid of me.

All of these have simple answers, here are two examples:


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MT 23:3 Practice and observe everything the Pharisees and scribes teach.

MK 10:2-12, LK 16:18 Divorce is wrong, and to remarry is to commit adultery.

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Most are simply mistakes.


First of all, the Matthew 23 (in context)



Matthew 23


1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.

5"Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries[a] wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them 'Rabbi.'

8"But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called 'teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ. 11The greatest among you will be your servant. 12For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

13"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.[c]

15"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.

16"Woe to you, blind guides! You say, 'If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.' 17You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18You also say, 'If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.' 19You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. 22And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.

23"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

25"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

27"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean. 28In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wdIckedness.

29"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30And you say, 'If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.' 31So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!

33"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.

37"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.



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As you can see, Jesus is in NO WAY saying that you should be following the Pharisees!

He starts with a rhetorical sentence, and then blasts them!

job:

Ludlul bel nemeqi, Let Me Praise the Lord of Wisdom, is a Mesopotamian poem (ANET 434-437) that concerns itself with the problem of the just suffering afflictions they do not deserve. The author is tormented, but he doesn't know why. He has been faithful in all of his duties to the gods. He speculates that perhaps what is good to man is evil to the gods and vice versa. He is ultimately delivered from his sufferings.

The poem has also been called the Poem of the Righteous Sufferer or the Babylonian Job. However, the work is actually a hymn of thanksgiving to Marduk for recovery from illness

sumerian text.

Correct, I believe the Bible is 100% accurate. (and, sorry, I did not see your post.)

No worries. Does it not concern you that you're using circular reasoning, though?

sorry i dont fear sheep or imaginary gods :)

Yes to all 3. (But re: rev. 2 - that happens in Heaven)

soo.. you think humans is made of clay?

You may very well see it that way, I do not. So, no, I have no concern....due to the fact I am relying on God's reasoning which is higher than that of man.

Psa 103:14 For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust.

Explain these please.


God says that if Adam eats from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then the day that he does so, he will die. But later Adam eats the forbidden fruit (3:6) and yet lives for another 930 years (5:5). 2:17


God promises Abram and his descendants all of the land of Canaan. But both history and the bible (Acts 7:5 and Heb.11:13) show that God's promise to Abram was not fulfilled. 13:15, 15:18, 17:8, 28:13-14

How long was the Egyptian captivity? This verse says 400 years, but Ex.12:40 and Gal.3:17 say 430 years. 15:13

"In the fourth generation they [Abraham's descendants] shall come hither again." But, if we count Abraham, then their return occurred after seven generations: Abraham, Isaac (Gen.21:1-3), Jacob (Gen.25:19-26), Levi (Gen.35:22-23), Kohath (Ex.6:16), Amramn (Ex.6:18), and Moses (Ex.6:20). 15:16

God promises Abram's descendants the land of Canaan from the Nile to the Euphrates. But according to Acts 7:5 and Heb.11:13 God's promise to Abram was not fulfilled. 15:18

God renames Jacob twice (32:28, 35:10 ). God says that Jacob will henceforth be called Israel, but the Bible continues to call him Jacob anyway (47:28-29). And even God himself calls him Jacob in 46:2. 32:28, 35:10

God calls Jacob Jacob, though he said in Gen.32:28 and 35:10 that he would no longer be called Jacob but Israel. 46:2

God promises to bring Jacob safely back from Egypt, but Jacob dies in Egypt (Gen.47:28-29) 46:3

yeaaaaah sure

1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6
2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48
3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2

and very confused...

John quotes Jesus (1900 years ago) as saying, "Behold, I come quickly." 3:11, 22:7, 12, 20


It's been 2 thousands years. That's not quickly.


"And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth...." To John, the stars are just little lights a few miles away that can easily fall to the earth. 6:13


Uh yeah right.

So far your explanations are weak attempts.

psalms are no reliable source what so ever for information since they are written by men for religious purposes and not for the truth.

But you seem to be making a case for the accuracy of the Bible not to God, but to people. Should you not use arguments that are sound and make logical sense?

It's like, you guys see that someone posts somewhere ONE sentence and then jump on it and say it is a contradiction.

You should LOOK THESE UP at an online Bible site and read them IN CONTEXT.

Here is the other one about divorce:


31"It has been said, 'Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.' 32But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.


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Again, here is the first rhetorical sentence from Jesus:

It is said... but I tell you this...

This is how Jesus taught.

Like the last quote, it says, You are told to obey what you hear from the teachers of the law, but I tell you... Woe to the teachers!

Then, someone pulls out the first sentence, and says, Look! a contradiction. This is nothing but bad faith debating.

To get the context for this teaching of Jesus, you need to go to Malachi and see what the men were doing to the wives, divorcing them unfairly.

It is breaking faith with 'the wife of your youth' that is evil in God's eyes:

Malachi 2


13 Another thing you do: You flood the LORD's altar with tears. You weep and wail because he no longer pays attention to your offerings or accepts them with pleasure from your hands. 14 You ask, "Why?" It is because the LORD is acting as the witness between you and the wife of your youth, because you have broken faith with her, though she is your partner, the wife of your marriage covenant.

15 Has not the LORD made them one? In flesh and spirit they are his. And why one? Because he was seeking godly offspring. [e] So guard yourself in your spirit, and do not break faith with the wife of your youth.

16 "I hate divorce," says the LORD God of Israel, "and I hate a man's covering himself [f] with violence as well as with his garment," says the LORD Almighty.

So guard yourself in your spirit, and do not break faith.

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You have to read these things in the context of the time period, what was going on at the time.


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To truly understand why God wants one marriage in the lifetime of a person is because in Scripture, the words, 'Bride' and 'Bridegroom', 'Husband' and 'Wife' 'Lover and Beloved' - these are constantly used to mirror or shadow the relationship between God and Israel, and Christ and the Church.


Especially in books like Song of Songs:


Beloved:
1 I am a rose of Sharon,
a lily of the valleys.
Lover:
2 Like a lily among thorns
is my darling among the maidens.
Beloved:
3 Like an apple tree among the trees of the forest
is my lover among the young men.
I delight to sit in his shade,
and his fruit is sweet to my taste.

4 He has taken me to the banquet hall,
and his banner over me is love.

5 Strengthen me with raisins,
refresh me with apples,
for I am faint with love.

6 His left arm is under my head,
and his right arm embraces me.

7 Daughters of Jerusalem, I charge you
by the gazelles and by the does of the field:
Do not arouse or awaken love
until it so desires.

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Verse 4 is the words to a centuries old Gospel song.

"The Lord is at hand." Paul thought that the end was near and that Jesus would return soon after he wrote these words. 4:5
Colossians (None)




Paul expected Jesus to return within the lifetime of his followers. 3:13

Paul thought he would live to see the rapture. 4:15, 17

Paul prays that the Thessalonians will be good until Jesus returns, implying that he expected this to happen within their lifetimes. 5:23
2 Thessalonians


The day of Christ is at hand?
If Paul wrote this letter (and many scholars think he didn't1), then he is changing his mind about the timing of the Christ's return. The day of the Lord is no longer at hand. In fact it's nowhere near. Many things must happen first: there will be a great "falling away", a "man of sin" will be reveled, and Satan will show off his power by doing all kinds of signs and wonders. 2:2-9
1 Timothy



James quotes a scripture that says, "The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy." But there is no such verse in the Bible. 4:5

James thought that Jesus would return soon. 5:8
1 Peter


Peter believed that he was living in the "last times." 1:5, 7, 20

"The end of all things is at hand." 4:7
2 Peter


"Where is the promise of his coming?"
The author of 2 Peter is aware of the failed expectations of early believers. He knows that Jesus, who was to come soon, didn't come at all. Many have begun to ask, "Where is the promise of his coming?" He tries to cover for Jesus by claiming that "one day with the Lord is as a thousand years." 3:4
1 John


John thinks he is living in "the last times." He "knows" this because he sees so many antichrists around. 2:18, 4:3

John warns his followers to get ready because Jesus is coming soon. 2:28

John expects to live to see Jesus return. 3:2

its truly amazing to see religious people so totally confused about their own faith, saying that "ive studied the bible" and still dont see the contradictions, cruelty and the insane message it gives. who are they kidding, only them selfs.

Why not do your own research?

If one is not willing to put in the time or chooses to take other people's word for it - then that's just the way it is. Nobody can force us…it's up to us.

And this proves what? that occultist and occult societies get their information from the fallen angels who taught them all the principles of Magick? Why is the final "Beast" of Revelation also called Mystery Babylon the Great? Sumerian texts were written from a pagan mind set, all of course a mirror image of the true God of Heaven. The Fallen angels taught those blind Pagans how to form a religion around the true things of God so that they could derive a dark power to them, and work Magick from them. It only shows me that my enemies cannot create anything, not even a religion from nothing, they must copy the true and genuine article to have any kind of power to it.

I was given divine instructions on all great mysteries, and I know their principles by which they work, and they are inferior to the genuine article, that is why I destroy each and every advesary that I come against in spiritual warfare. I welcome you to challenge me in warfare if you don't mind dying for what you believe in, but I warn you, light is superior to darkness, and any dark power bends to my will and my will alone.

If I were arguing...of course. I am promoting independent study so that people may draw their own conclusions.

If you find the Bible to be illogical but have not taken the time to do your own research...how do you know?

If you have, then your work is finished, right?

story of jesus is pagan, whats your excuse for that?

It's like, you guys see that someone posts somewhere ONE sentence and then jump on it and say it is a contradiction.

You should LOOK THESE UP at an online Bible site and read them IN CONTEXT.



Kay,

I was a born again. So devoted each Sunday I would continue to copy by hand the bible book by book.
This led me to the discovery of all the inconsistencies and errors in the bible.
Which in turn led me to the books left out of the bible.
Studying the Nag HAmmadi, the Gnostic texts,the psudepigrapha.

Then on to Zoastrianism,Mithracism,Hinduism,Taoism,Buddism and all the other major philosophies and religions.

Have you read the Bagavad Gita? The Puranas? The Vedas? The Tao Te Ching?

Have you even read the bible front to back cover to cover?

Have you read multiple versions?

Have you read the Koran?

Have you engaged in ceramonial magick? Evoked the quarters?

Do you understand Enochian Magick?

Have you studied quantum physics?

You are a nice person.

Just uninformed.

There is more than one viewpoint in the world.

You only quote what you have been taught.

Oh no, I think you misunderstand, I'm not saying the Bible is illogical (though I think parts of it are contradictory).

I'm saying that you seem to be, if not arguing, then trying to convince people of the truth of the Bible, or at least the worth in studying it. But you're using fallacious arguments, which I think reflects poorly on your subject matter. You could be a much better advocate for the word of your God if you were not using circular reasoning, but you don't seem to care.

So you finally admit defeat!!

I have done my own research. The past 20-25 years of my life have been dedicated to it.

It is what drives me.

Explain these please.


God says that if Adam eats from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then the day that he does so, he will die. But later Adam eats the forbidden fruit (3:6) and yet lives for another 930 years (5:5). 2:17

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When God created Adam, he was created with immortality. When he ate the fruit, he became mortal. Why do you have a problem with this? It is easy. The New Testament says that this is when "sin" entered the human experience. Sin is like a virus that causes death.

You see, Christianity sees "Death" as more a death of one's spiritual life. Here is how Paul explains it in Hebrews:


Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ

12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned— 13for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.

14Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.

15But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!

16Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man's sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.

17For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.

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So, the point is that although SIN entered the world via Adam, righteousness via the subsitutionary death of Jesus Christ puts the world back on the same footing as was the case before Adam fell.

You get the term, ashes to ashes, dust to dust here:


Genesis 3:

"...By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return."


So, there is no place where God says, "on the very day you eat the fruit, you will die on that day" But more that from dust you were made, and to dust you will return.

But, God is merciful and when he shuts a door, he always opens a window - in this case: Resurrection.

Of course they are being fulfilled. The alien group responsible for writing it, know full well of what they intend for this planet. The top echelon of these secret societies know how to properly decipher this very clever piece of work and they work behind the scenes very dilligently to make sure the blue print given to them in the bible is carried out.

Bill

Thanks for your opinion.

My work is not finished. I am working on a book to try to enlighten uninformed people like you.

You may not realize just how much your viewpoint contributes to the division and misery on this planet.

Religion has been the major tool used to divided and conquer the peoples of this planet.

You are unknowlingly a tool of evil.

And you really don't have a clue.

It is good to do one's own research. I happen to have reached a different conclusion than you seem to have.