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So they're going to start manipulating the weather?
It's good to be open-minded, just don't let your brain fall out.
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That's funny, since more and more people are agreeing that "Global Warming" is BS.

Your "BS" is bullshit. Your BS is part a of a lie that propagates itself.
Global Warming is a product of weather manipulation. It's theater. It is a scam.
And you are part of the scam.
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I said global warming was a lie, and you accuse me of perpetuating that lie? scratching
It's good to be open-minded, just don't let your brain fall out.
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That's funny, since more and more people are agreeing that "Global Warming" is BS.

Your "BS" is bullshit. Your BS is part a of a lie that propagates itself.
Global Warming is a product of weather manipulation. It's theater. It is a scam.
And you are part of the scam.


I said global warming was a lie, and you accuse me of perpetuating that lie? scratching
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idiot.
try harder.
HARDER I sayed.
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I am thinking more and more about Scalar Weapons. I am thinking more and more about Tesla Technology. I am thinking more and more about how vulnerable our power grid is.

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Thread: Facing the Truth About Chemtrails (Page 4)
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WATCH THE VIDEO.
The music is kinda corny and unnecessary but the sky writing is a good document of the similarities to certain chemtrail characteristics...including the sundog/rainbow that occurs later in the vid at wayyyyy lower altitudes than high thin cirrus type clouds...er..uh chemtrails...er ..uh persistent contrails do.
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side stepper.
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He's not a side stepper,he's a paid debunker.
Didn't ya notice how fast he was on your chemtrail
thread? D Kuntz must have the morning off....

Head for da bunker Gilligan!!!!!!!!!
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Thread: HOLLYWOOD DOES CHEMTRAILS.....AMAZING
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Check this beautiful vid where a dark trail is along with the white trail. and the dark is not a shadow of the white...so what is it?
Look closely, and you´ll see that the dark line is straighter than the meandering white trail

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Those are shadows. You have a good eye. Keep looking. It will make sense to you. I am not a debunker. lol.
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Those are shadows. You have a good eye. Keep looking. It will make sense to you. I am not a debunker. lol.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 630603

I can assure you that there are dark trails as well.. A few years ago I had planes coming from north, going straight south over our house, and the sun was high, east-south east. and the planes had a dark line travelling ahead of the plane, ca 100 meters ahead and on the sun-side of the plane, south-east of the plane....not a shadow.

I´ve also seen the dark trails dissipate in patterns totally different than the white trails.
I realise that the shadow of a trail will often fall on an almost invisible cloud-layer under the plane, and thereby be offset in an angle depending on the sun etc... I do have a fairly well developed spatial ability so I´m mostly able to sort things out that I can observe first hand, videos may be harder.
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Well...:) those dark beams that project in front of the jets are shadows.

I know it's hard to make sense out of that spacial relationship/equation.

I will make an animated graphic sometime very soon to illustrate how that works. It's about the relationships of the distances involving the jet/trail/"subvisible layer" and the suns position relative to the veiwers location. While it may appear that the beam travels ahead of the plane from a certain point of view...in actuality the beam(shadow) is miles beneath the plane and trail and thus appears to be ahead of the plane(from p.o.v.). It's a matter of perspective.
There is a lot of visual trickery and confusion going on up there. LOTS of changing variables. I will try to make a simple version of this particular phenomenon in an animation and I'll try to illustrate those variables.
Please dont get mad at me.
hf
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Well...:) those dark beams that project in front of the jets are shadows.

I know it's hard to make sense out of that spacial relationship/equation.

I will make an animated graphic sometime very soon to illustrate how that works. It's about the relationships of the distances involving the jet/trail/"subvisible layer" and the suns position relative to the veiwers location. While it may appear that the beam travels ahead of the plane from a certain point of view...in actuality the beam(shadow) is miles beneath the plane and trail and thus appears to be ahead of the plane(from p.o.v.). It's a matter of perspective.
There is a lot of visual trickery and confusion going on up there. LOTS of changing variables. I will try to make a simple version of this particular phenomenon in an animation and I'll try to illustrate those variables.
Please dont get mad at me.
hf
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You ask so nicely..... of course no one will be mad at you.

Thank you for trying to answer this question for us. The point here is that you are actually giving us your proof of what this phenomenon is, while others become nasty and abusive and argue by name calling.

Who knows you may very well convince some that you have the answer.

Thank you.

Canuck

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Well...:) those dark beams that project in front of the jets are shadows.

I know it's hard to make sense out of that spacial relationship/equation.

I will make an animated graphic sometime very soon to illustrate how that works. It's about the relationships of the distances involving the jet/trail/"subvisible layer" and the suns position relative to the veiwers location. While it may appear that the beam travels ahead of the plane from a certain point of view...in actuality the beam(shadow) is miles beneath the plane and trail and thus appears to be ahead of the plane(from p.o.v.). It's a matter of perspective.
There is a lot of visual trickery and confusion going on up there. LOTS of changing variables. I will try to make a simple version of this particular phenomenon in an animation and I'll try to illustrate those variables.
Please dont get mad at me.
hf
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So what´s your take on chemtrails then ?
That´s all you´ve posted about on glp.
Fucking up the planet....how?
There are lies, damned lies and 9-11!
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So they're going to start manipulating the weather?
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Fuck. you.
Idiot.
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Fucking up the planet....how?
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Let me count the ways.
hmm
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Well...:) those dark beams that project in front of the jets are shadows.

I know it's hard to make sense out of that spacial relationship/equation.


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No, it´s not, not in the example I gave you...I was standing on the ground seeing what I described above. I can easily understand that the dark shadow can be seen as beeing ahead of the plane, if the invisible thin cloudlayer below is much closer to the ground.
BUT...no way that the dark line would be able to be seen any other side of the plane than west, to the right of the white line, given the height and direction of the sun of the sun as I described.
So I do have to consider the possibility of you having an agenda here....
You seem very eager to deny the possibility of dark trails, without any discussion.
There are lies, damned lies and 9-11!
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the answers you gave were no answers and nothing brings forth nothing.
These people speak plainly and honestly. They have documented their observations and they are experienced weather recorders.
I believe them.
 Quoting: fieldolight


So, yeah, just post it again, and again, and again.

Ignore the facts, and keep believing in these f#cking incompetent 'investigators' who can't even hire a f#cking plane, get samples analysed, and get a case going.

Everyone with a clue knows why there is no case - anyone who has done any such sampling has just found water, and the expected pollutants from engine combustion. Whoopee.

What really shits me about morons like 396003, 549482, FoL, 516228, etc, is that the real problems, eg the changes in climate caused by the ever increasing load on our atmosphere, inc. CONtrails, get downgraded with people wasting so much time on moronic stupidity like this.

By the way, FoL, was that barium and aluminium contamination you referred to, like the one recently where the f#cking moronic reporter couldn't even read a test report? He got busted saying the levels were many times higher that EPA reg's, when they were clearly hundreds of times LOWER.. Gawd Almighty, you people (unsurprisingly) attract complete incompetence wherever you go.

Anyway, tell us when the big class action starts.

Any day soon?

Hello?


Helloooo?

Anyone actually doing anything except posting youtube videos and selling books and pamphlets?

Hellooooooooo?


Nope, thought not.
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Well...:) those dark beams that project in front of the jets are shadows.

I know it's hard to make sense out of that spacial relationship/equation.
==================================

No, it´s not, not in the example I gave you...I was standing on the ground seeing what I described above. I can easily understand that the dark shadow can be seen as beeing ahead of the plane, if the invisible thin cloudlayer below is much closer to the ground.
BUT...no way that the dark line would be able to be seen any other side of the plane than west, to the right of the white line, given the height and direction of the sun of the sun as I described.
So I do have to consider the possibility of you having an agenda here....
You seem very eager to deny the possibility of dark trails, without any discussion.
 Quoting: Da Swede


Duh Sveed stoopud uhgin!!!
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Well...:) those dark beams that project in front of the jets are shadows.

I know it's hard to make sense out of that spacial relationship/equation.




No, it´s not, not in the example I gave you...I was standing on the ground seeing what I described above. I can easily understand that the dark shadow can be seen as beeing ahead of the plane, if the invisible thin cloudlayer below is much closer to the ground.
BUT...no way that the dark line would be able to be seen any other side of the plane than west, to the right of the white line, given the height and direction of the sun of the sun as I described.
So I do have to consider the possibility of you having an agenda here....
You seem very eager to deny the possibility of dark trails, without any discussion.
 Quoting: Da Swede



Seeing you are asking nicely..!

It's hard to make guesses on the basis of that video, but here's my thoughts on that exmaple. It is worth noting that this effect, namely dark areas near a ...trail, is not a common characteristic.

1. The dark areas don't *seem* to match the contrails very closely in shape, however that would depend on the surface that shadow is forming on.

2. They don't *seem* to be correctly oriented for shadows, but again, without actually seeing where the sun was, it is difficult to tell.

3. That all tends to suggest you *are* seeing dark material of some kind and not a shadow.

4. The most obvious suggestion is simply unburnt fuel (that's exactly what avgas looks like unburnt), either from a poorly designed/tuned engine, or perhaps an aircraft that was accelerating hard (ie.. late!)

5. Bear in mind that unburnt fuel or other pullutants will have a quite different density to water vapour/ ice crystals, so it will move/disperse at a different rate to the contrail. The contrail will also possibly persist or develop depending on the atmospherics, whereas the other laterial can only disperse - hence the two 'trails' will seperate, one will disappear and the other may not...


Nice observations, anyway - but I'd need a much higher resolution image to make any real guesses.
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Well...:) those dark beams that project in front of the jets are shadows.

I know it's hard to make sense out of that spacial relationship/equation.




No, it´s not, not in the example I gave you...I was standing on the ground seeing what I described above. I can easily understand that the dark shadow can be seen as beeing ahead of the plane, if the invisible thin cloudlayer below is much closer to the ground.
BUT...no way that the dark line would be able to be seen any other side of the plane than west, to the right of the white line, given the height and direction of the sun of the sun as I described.
So I do have to consider the possibility of you having an agenda here....
You seem very eager to deny the possibility of dark trails, without any discussion.



Seeing you are asking nicely..!

It's hard to make guesses on the basis of that video, but here's my thoughts on that exmaple. It is worth noting that this effect, namely dark areas near a ...trail, is not a common characteristic.

1. The dark areas don't *seem* to match the contrails very closely in shape, however that would depend on the surface that shadow is forming on.

2. They don't *seem* to be correctly oriented for shadows, but again, without actually seeing where the sun was, it is difficult to tell.

3. That all tends to suggest you *are* seeing dark material of some kind and not a shadow.

4. The most obvious suggestion is simply unburnt fuel (that's exactly what avgas looks like unburnt), either from a poorly designed/tuned engine, or perhaps an aircraft that was accelerating hard (ie.. late!)

5. Bear in mind that unburnt fuel or other pullutants will have a quite different density to water vapour/ ice crystals, so it will move/disperse at a different rate to the contrail. The contrail will also possibly persist or develop depending on the atmospherics, whereas the other laterial can only disperse - hence the two 'trails' will seperate, one will disappear and the other may not...


Nice observations, anyway - but I'd need a much higher resolution image to make any real guesses.
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I was not talking about the video....how about reading my posts and answer the real question ?
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I cant discount that a "black trail" could exist. After all the weird shit I have seen I can only imagine others have there own of which I may or may never experience first hand for myself.
No agenda in that regard , Da Swede. hf

































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So they're going to start manipulating the weather?
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Start manipulating the weather?


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Will be sold through mainstream media as necessary as a defence against GW'ming...and it's nasty effects.
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FYI, Black trails are common for older aircraft, and if conditions are are good for a contrail, both will appear. Older Jet engines burn extremely rich and burn a different mixture of fuel than newer jets. JP-4 and JP-8 are similar to diesel fuel and when unburned fuel passes to the exhaust it burns poorly producing the same soot you see when trucks accelerate hard. These soot trails are basically smoke and have a different spread pattern, diffusing equally and rapidly, than a contrail which is primarily a condensate reaction to a change in pressure/humidity and thusly dewpoint.

I see and F-100 Super Sabre and a P-80 Shooting star regularly flown by a collector at my place of employment, and both emits HUGE streams of black soot burning JP-4. On takeoff they can appear as though the whole airfield is a burning tire. I generally find somewhere I need to go when I see him trot out the old toys, because the noise and smell drive me batty and I get enough fumes as it is. Many collectors have modified their older jets to burn cleaner more efficient fuel, so this is not always the case.

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