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The Lake Erie Lights
by John Lasker
FATE :: Nov-Dec 2008

On a brisk fall night, the crescent moon over Lake Erie is a blood-red orange. In the background, dark waves lap rhythmically onto the beach. It is picturesque in many ways. But the serenity is about to be shattered. Some unknown distance over the lake, several pulsating lights chillingly materialize from nowhere.



The scene is yet another video of the “Lake Erie Lights” posted on Youtube.com. The video was taken not far from the hardscrabble city of Cleveland, Ohio. These lights over blackish waters have locals talking again, some loudly, some in hushed tones. But most are wondering whether a new wave of UFO sightings over the lake with the creepy name is the real thing or a hoax.

“It’s a hot spot,” declares local ufologist Aaron Clark about the beaches of Lake Erie near Cleveland. “Some believe there’s a UFO base on the bottom of the lake.”

There have been more than 20 credible UFO sightings in the area in the last two years, according to Clark, a spokesman for the Cleveland Ufology Project (CUP), which was founded in the 1950s and claims to be one of the oldest UFO-spotting groups in the country, if not the planet.

Historically, the total number of eyewitness accounts is unknown because there are so many of them. Stories of “strange ships” on the lake have been circulating since Ohio was a hotbed of abolitionism back in the 1800s. Ask anyone who lives near the lake: either they’ve seen something odd, or know of someone who has.

For some, what they saw will remain the mystery of a lifetime. For a few others, it will take over their life.

“There’s a pattern here,” says Sam Phillips, a musician who filmed a UFO hovering over downtown Cleveland, just under a mile from the lake, in March 2007. The footage was shown nationwide by CBS News. “There’s a riddle here. And I want answers. I want an explanation.”

Phillips admits he has become obsessive over what he saw. Friends have deserted him. But he adds, “This is not about me.”

Phillips filmed the UFO during a nighttime antiwar rally. He feels the craft overhead has similar ideals as the Cleveland peaceniks. “Our brothers and sisters are going to come down from the universe and humble our ass,” he said that night.

But Phillips isn’t the only local to take the stage in this phenomenon. Many of the recent Lake Erie Lights sightings have been documented by another Cleveland musician, Michael Lee Hill.

Hill’s videos have been viewed hundreds of thousands of times, and they have caught the attention of ufologist David Sereda, who put some of the clips in his 2005 documentary Dan Akroyd: Unplugged on UFOs. His latest documentary, From Here to Andromeda, is co-produced by Hill, who created the film’s music.

Hill has also appeared on the History Channel’s UFO Hunters. In the episode, the UFO hunters tested Hill’s blood and that of another apparent contactee. Both had elevated levels of creatine kinase, which is very rare occurrence in one person, let alone two.

“There’s a huge story unfolding here,” says Hill from his home near the shores of Lake Erie. “I’ve had contact my whole life. I remember asking my mother, ‘Why do Santa’s elves keep visiting me?’”

Hill believes these UFOs aren’t just dropping in to catch the sights.

“I think they’re absolutely sending us a message. I believe they are here to help us become a galatic society.”

But skeptics question whether Hill has pulled an elaborate hoax, like the notorious “Haitian UFO” video, which was viewed more than five million times on YouTube before it was debunked by the Los Angeles Times.

After Hill posted one of his Lake Erie UFO videos to fuck_off.com, a popular paranormal discussion board, the thread took an unconvinced slant. Hill claimed he was pointing his camera directly north, over the lake toward Canada. But with the help of a flight tracking map, one skeptic shows that Hill’s camera was more likely pointing west, and was probably filming the incoming flight path of two distant planes in an S-shaped landing pattern. Two airports are in the vicinity of where Hill says he is shooting. fuck_off.com has labeled Hill’s videos a hoax.

Ben Radford, a paranormal investigator and managing editor of Skeptical Inquirer magazine, said YouTube and the ubiquity of Internet is fueling a UFO frenzy. “The problem is anyone can post anything and call it a UFO, a ghost, but there’s no filter. You don’t know if that person has a history of hoaxes or mental illness. What happens is a real case is drowned out by a sea of hoaxes, mistakes, or misidentifications.” (continued...)

Read the rest of this article exclusively in the Nov-Dec 2008 issue of FATE.
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[quote author=michaelleehill board=research thread=3521 post=151362 time=1230435828]But skeptics question whether Hill has pulled an elaborate hoax, like the notorious “Haitian UFO” video, which was viewed more than five million times on YouTube before it was debunked by the Los Angeles Times.

After Hill posted one of his Lake Erie UFO videos to Ats.com, a popular paranormal discussion board, the thread took an unconvinced slant. Hill claimed he was pointing his camera directly north, over the lake toward Canada. But with the help of a flight tracking map, one skeptic shows that Hill’s camera was more likely pointing west, and was probably filming the incoming flight path of two distant planes in an S-shaped landing pattern. Two airports are in the vicinity of where Hill says he is shooting. ATS.com has labeled Hill’s videos a hoax.


MLH - I was banned because I pissed off the Owner of A--T--S because he was being a real ass towards me & I called him in it and I was banned the next minute.

The UFO channel UFO Hunters proved the Lights do not line up with any known FAA lights or Color output and said so in the the episode I was on.

Also the following indepth study was done by UFO News, scroll down the page for article...
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Lake Erie UFO: A Closer Examination
Posted on February 12th, 2007 at 10:29 pm by chuck

What is depicted in the picture above?
Is it two jets several miles apart from each other?
Or two police cars several yards apart from each other?
Or is it what each of us want it to be?

UFO NEWS - On February 6th we posted Michael Lee Hill’s UFO video captured on August 18th, 2006 on the shores of Lake Erie. Six days later it has generated a heated debate in the post’s comments.

Many skeptics believe the lights pictured above are two distant jets coming at us in a landing pattern - appearing to hover. Other skeptics say these are two police cars driving across a hill at night - on parallel roads with distance forcing the perspective.

We don’t think so.

1) Michael Lee Hill tells us he shot this in Eastlake, Ohio. In this topo map of the area you will see no hills near or across the shoreline.

2) If these aircraft are flying towards Eastlake then we can only find two destinations, Lost Nation Municipal Airport and Cuyahoga County Airport. Neither of these airports look the part for what would be obviously BIG planes on approach.

3) If these aircraft were coming in to Cleveland Airport they would be traveling from right to left.

4) In the frame grab above shouldn’t there be an appreciable size difference between two aircraft of this size, miles apart — even with the alleged mirage affect?

UFO NEWS believes these two ‘things’ are flying about 20 feet apart from each other.

If anyone would like to further debunk this sighting I believe we must begin with these new ideas.
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You would think ATS would apologize to me :-) Not holding my breath.

Peace,
MLH
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Well, I was a new member of that bullcrap board where this poor sap got banned. I got banned during that time for a similar reason: Posting alleged hoaxes. If they can not debunk a case properly; they resort to call the poster a hoaxer and simply ban him.

You think GLP is disinfo? Then go to AssholesTranniesShittstirers and you'll see what disinfo really is about.
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Oh btw: they're constantly running a contest with rewards on who can debunk a ufo sighting the best and fastest...no shit.
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Oh btw: they're constantly running a contest with rewards on who can debunk a ufo sighting the best and fastest...no shit.
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imagine that :-)

Yay for the Truthers not backing down.
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Wow! Lot's of UFO Activity over Lake Erie!
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nasa has a new place in sandusky thats why!
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Do you have a link for fuck_off.com? I can't find it using www.fuck_off.com or Google search ... thanx. Great video, BTW.
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After Hill posted one of his Lake Erie UFO videos to fuck_off.com, a popular paranormal discussion board, the thread took an unconvinced slant. Hill claimed he was pointing his camera directly north, over the lake toward Canada. But with the help of a flight tracking map, one skeptic shows that Hill’s camera was more likely pointing west, and was probably filming the incoming flight path of two distant planes in an S-shaped landing pattern. Two airports are in the vicinity of where Hill says he is shooting. fuck_off.com has labeled Hill’s videos a hoax.

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Oops sorry just realized that fuck_off.com was a debunker. does anyone have a link to a discussion board for UFO phenomenon that's openminded?
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After Hill posted one of his Lake Erie UFO videos to fuck_off.com, a popular paranormal discussion board, the thread took an unconvinced slant. Hill claimed he was pointing his camera directly north, over the lake toward Canada. But with the help of a flight tracking map, one skeptic shows that Hill’s camera was more likely pointing west, and was probably filming the incoming flight path of two distant planes in an S-shaped landing pattern. Two airports are in the vicinity of where Hill says he is shooting. fuck_off.com has labeled Hill’s videos a hoax.



Oops sorry just realized that fuck_off.com was a debunker. does anyone have a link to a discussion board for UFO phenomenon that's openminded?
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Open Minds Forum is good
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“There’s a pattern here,” says Sam Phillips, a musician who filmed a UFO hovering over downtown Cleveland, just under a mile from the lake, in March 2007. The footage was shown nationwide by CBS News. “There’s a riddle here. And I want answers. I want an explanation.”

Phillips admits he has become obsessive over what he saw. Friends have deserted him. But he adds, “This is not about me.”

Phillips filmed the UFO during a nighttime antiwar rally. He feels the craft overhead has similar ideals as the Cleveland peaceniks. “Our brothers and sisters are going to come down from the universe and humble our ass,” he said that night.
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Here is that video of the Orb of Light that flew off Lake Erie and hovered over the Key Bank Building in Downtown Cleveland during a Peace Rally. This was covered on CBS News.
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Interview #6 - Michael Lee Hill - "UFO over Lake Erie"

Shawn -Well Michael I want to thank you for taking your time to do this interview with me. I am very much looking forward to what you have to say.

MLH - It's my pleasure Shawn, Thanks for taking the time to talk with me.

Shawn -Before we begin would you mind telling me a little bit about yourself?

MLH - Well, My name is Michael Lee Hill, I am 39 years old now, I am a musician, I live in a suburb of Cleveland Ohio called Eastlake and life has become pretty interesting here lately.

Shawn -Ok, i will begin by asking you a question that someone sent to me. They do not wish to give out their name so I will just call them John. They ask if you faked the video somehow to promote your music. What do you have to say to John about that Michael?

MLH - Well, I understand that no matter what I say, John seems to have already made up his mind, The fact is I have never faked any of the UFO footage I have filmed over Lake Erie over the last 4 years or so. But John Doesn't have to take my word for it, A UFO investigation group called UFO News stated the following…"We called in Hollywood Visual Effects experts to look at this video and they have determined there has been no apparent tampering with the visual image."

As far as do I hope my UFO footage promotes my Music? First off there are two full versions of tunes available at my web site that are free. I've given more Cd's away than I've sold. With that being said, I have no problem accepting money for what I do, Abundance is just energy. I believe we all deserve to feel like we have a roof over our head and a level of security...Abundance. In our world, that means $$$$, I don't have a problem with money unless it becomes an issue of Ego.

I have been a musician/Played Guitar since I was 8 years old, I have been contacted by ET's for just about as long if not longer. The two are intertwined at every level imaginable.

Do I hope my UFO footage turns people onto my Music? .......YES
Do I hope my MUSIC turns people onto the fact we are not alone?......YES

Shawn - I must admit that there has been a great interest from people online about your video. I have had many people tell call me a Devil Worshiper for what I have on my myspace page. How do you feel about that?

MLH - I believe the powers that be have done a good job brainwashing the masses into doubt & fear towards anything that goes against what they want you to believe. The US GOV'T, or more correctly The Illuminati (Secret Societies) are fighting first contact tooth & nail because it will be the end of their plan of a One World Government and their Oil based Economy they have set up to keep the masses in a state of Survival mode.

The enlightened beings that are here (the ET's) Know all of this, and they know that if First Contact is spun in a negative fashion, it could throw a lot of people into panic & fear which will not be a pretty sight, So instead of just dropping from the sky, The Et's along with some enlightened humans have begun to reveal to the masses the corruption and dirty deeds of our leaders, so people will understand why massive changes to the system is needed. I believe it won't be long now.


Shawn - Do you believe in God Michael? You do not have to answer this if you do not want to.

MLH - Yes, I believe in God, But the term God already has so many connotations attached to it, I prefer the term "All That IS".

Shawn - Ok, So let us start now, when did you film this video?

MLH - This particular clip was filmed on August 18th, 2006, I have been filming UFO's over lake Erie for around 4 years now though and have accumulated hours of footage.

May I ask though, because it was dark outside why did you have a video camera to begin with?

MLH - Around 4 years ago, Me & a friend were in my back yard which is very close to the shores of Lake Erie, Around a couple hundred feet away I would say, we both witnessed a UFO right along the shore line, I didn't get that craft on film but it sparked my curiosity to go down to the lake with a video camera and try and see if I could catch something on film. I have been going down to the lake ever since then, on any chance I get and I always bring my camera and a tripod with me.

Shawn - Tell me what happened the night you filmed this, what time was it, and what part of Lake Erie was this filmed at? A few people have mailed me asking me to ask you the location of this video.

MLH - That night was one of those nights that was just filled with activity, sometimes there is so much UFO activity going on that I don't even know what to film, That was one of those nights. This was filmed on a beach in Eastlake Ohio right on Lake Erie.

Shawn - What was going through your mind when you seen these lights in the sky? Do you think they were creatures from another planet, or do you think they were humans with secret aircraft? In the video you did sound really excited when seeing this unfold.

MLH - I always get excited when they show up, these lights were pretty damn close as well and when the 2nd object came into the scene, that flipped me out, that doesn't happen very often. As far as if they are from elsewhere, I don't think these craft are ours, A recent newspaper article actually traced back this Phenomenon and these objects being witnessed over Lake Erie to the 1800's so they can't be anything we have made, here is a link to that story… [link to paranormal.about.com]

If they have been around here for that long, perhaps they are not from elsewhere but perhaps they exist here in a higher dimension right here on planet Earth and occasionally allow themselves to be seen? I don't know.

Shawn - Is this the first time you have ever seen something like this? Has this ever happened to you before?

MLH - As I said, I have been witnessing and filming this phenomenon over lake Erie for years now. Mostly what I see if single house size balls of multi colored light, they almost look like they are made of fire or plasma. Sometimes they are paired up as in this video, Sometimes there are three balls of light in a triangle formation. I have also filmed them entering and leaving the lake!.

Shawn - Do you feel the Alien beings are trying to contact you? If so why do you have these feelings?

MLH - I have been contacted by Et´s my whole life, I guess the question is how I have all this footage. The answer is they are in contact with me Telepathically and nudge me to be at a certain place certain time and sure enough, they show up and I film them.

The actual filming of their craft is a new phase, Up till now, I have been educated, during my "awakening", on the whole mental energy/Beliefs creating reality bed of knowledge, It is cool that this same bed of knowledge is making it to the masses through films such as "The Secret" and "What the bleep do we know", anyhow, I was told by my guides that I was here to spread this "spiritual" bed of information through vibration (Music) and when I learned what I needed to, I would be put into a position where my message would reach the masses. If I only had the courage to step out of my old life, that the doors would open that I needed to open, & I would meet the people I needed to meet to make my own "dreams" become reality, and effortlessly .

I listened to their suggestion and quit my job of 14 years, that was in 2000, to concentrate on my music. Within 4 months I was personally selected out of thousands of entries by Grammy Award Winning guitarist Steve Vai as the winner of the Ibanez/Steve Vai guitar Challenge.

Shawn - Since the video took place, has anything else happened to you like this?

MLH - Yes, It has even grown, here is an example, The day before I was to fly to Las Vegas to meet with David Sereda to sign the contacts for the new movie I am involved with him in (WWW.Fromheretoandromeda.com) me and three other people were in my backyard cooking out and my friend says "what the hell is that?" I turn around and this huge ball of Light/plasma is flying off the lake and very low, If you held up nickel to the sky, that was about how big it was, Anyhow, it flew right over my house and when it got directly overhead, it disappeared!

By the way, these same type of craft have really been making themselves known in this area lately and this fact had begun to make mainstream news. One of these Balls of Light/Plasma recently showed up over a peace Rally in Downtown Cleveland, here is a link to that story… [link to www.cbsnews.com]

Shawn - Looking at your myspace page Michael I see that you are in a band, I really enjoyed the music. It is not often that I come across someone who has their own music on myspace that I like. Yours though had a new kinda feel to it, almost reminded me of the stars. Tell me about your Music Michael, what is it about? Does it have anything to do with space?

MLH - Thank you for the kind words, As I said, My music, Spirituality, and my interest in beings from higher realms are all very intertwined with me.

Shawn - Do you feel Aliens help you with what you do as far as your music?

MLH - Yes

Shawn - I am sure that you have heard about the UFO over Chicago O'Hare airport. Can you tell me anything about that?

MLH - I believe we have moved into a new phase of Disclosure with the Et's showing themselves openly testing how the Masses and Media respond.

<DIV>Well Michael it has been awesome talking to you man. As you know I really enjoy info on UFO's so this has been very exiting for me to have talked with you about this.

MLH - It has been a pleasure Shawn, these have been some very intelligent questions, I don't really speak often of this side of my beliefs because I know how far from the mass belief system my views are, but it was really nice to share a little of my story with you.

Before we end this, Tell those who might be interested in your music where they can find it.

MLH - WWW.Fromheretoandromeda.com or [link to cdbaby.com]

Shawn - Is there anything else you would like to tell the people reading this about yourself, or anything at all for that matter?

MLH - I believe our physical 3rd dimensional reality can be thought of as a school of sorts, for the soul to learn to use mental energy in a responsible way. Your beliefs (belief = thoughts, feelings, & emotions) create your reality you PERCIEVE. Humans are really only capable of two pure emotions, Love & Fear, and we are able to experience both to whatever level we choose.

Whatever you concentrate on, or focus on, determines the reality you perceive. Therefore, the universe can be literally thought of as your own thought, frozen into physical matter, pure divine energy transformed into physical reality. A universe faithfully and lovingly mirroring back to you whatever your own thoughts and beliefs are about it, regardless of which polarity your current beliefs fall into, Fear or Love.

It would then be of great benefit & value to actually think about what you are thinking about. Learn to change your thought, learn to change your reality. Learn to become aware of what you are thinking. Then always choose the highest thought, anything else just leads back into the illusion. It is the path out of fear & darkness.

We are here to become conscious co-creators with All That Is. Once you change one thought and experience first-hand that your reality does actually change, there is no turning back. And that is a truth nobody can ever take from you. A truth that comes from inside, no books, or religions needed.

Shawn - Thanks man for doing this interview, take care.

MLH - Thank you Shawn, Peace, Love, and Light. Michael Lee Hill
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Disinfo, Wait until you see one of these objects with your own two eyes up close & personal. Laser my ass.
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