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The History of Israel and Palestine in easy to understand, colorful language.
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Hirisk User ID: 575318 12/27/2008 2:23 PM
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the horror...was God sober when you jooz had a
private meeting with him..hmmmm the horror |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 497622 12/27/2008 2:24 PM | | Re: The History of Israel and Palestine in easy to understand, colorful language. | Quote |

forum moderator pining forum moderator thread.
Did you know that there is Real world outside this virtual of GLP?
in which children and woman are murderd by yours truly IDF?
you chose side; god or evil. |
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Apocalypse Troll   Forum Moderator User ID: 576137 12/27/2008 2:26 PM
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forum moderator pining forum moderator thread.
Did you know that there is Real world outside this virtual of GLP?
in which children and woman are murderd by yours truly IDF?
you chose side; god or evil. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 497622
The people of this world spoke. They wanted it pinned.
You are an AC, WTF do I care about what you want or care about?
I chose God long ago. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 580474 12/27/2008 2:28 PM | | Re: The History of Israel and Palestine in easy to understand, colorful language. | Quote |

forum moderator pining forum moderator thread.
Did you know that there is Real world outside this virtual of GLP?
in which children and woman are murderd by yours truly IDF?
you chose side; god or evil.
The people of this world spoke. They wanted it pinned.
You are an AC, WTF do I care about what you want or care about?
I chose God long ago. Quoting: Apocalypse Troll
Of course you did  |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 580630 12/27/2008 2:29 PM | | Re: The History of Israel and Palestine in easy to understand, colorful language. | Quote | Great stuff, SHR. |
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MOUNTIAN GATE User ID: 568010 12/27/2008 2:30 PM | | Re: The History of Israel and Palestine in easy to understand, colorful language. | Quote | All masons stay in your ball=this is T= weights and ballances=mountian=hieroglyphics=light sequence.Our nations are in a state of djed pillars=may you learn random bar-acks of kindness=peace to egypt. |
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FF User ID: 456207 12/27/2008 2:30 PM | | Re: The History of Israel and Palestine in easy to understand, colorful language. | Quote |
I chose God long ago. Quoting: Apocalypse Troll
Hahaha you chose a repturd evil wanker non god that pokes fun from torturing and killing people, congrats! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 580418 12/27/2008 2:32 PM | | Re: The History of Israel and Palestine in easy to understand, colorful language. | Quote |
Welp, since there is a confrontation going on, I thought it would be time to post this as it's own thread.
Here ya go...Historicaly accurate and simple terminology.
Yeah it dogs the Arabs at the end...but IMO they deserve some dogging, so flame on. Write a counter to it...if you can...;)
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Israel is where it is today because that's where the holy land, land of the Jews whatever the fuck anyone wants to call it. Same place it has been since biblical times, which is as far as I'm concerned is all the bible has to do with it, biblical times happened there and all that "Chosen people" junk doesn't come into play for the actual and real history of the region. It's not like Israel used to be in Australia during the bible days and someone just decided to move it where it is now because there was less humidity, it's where it's been since....forever, called whatever, but that's the place geographically.
Through the centuries various empires have more or less "owned" the region, the Romans, the Turks with the Ottoman empire, the British when they ruled Britannia, yada yada various owners over eons. In the late 19th century some Jews thought it would be a good idea to move back to the holy land from biblical times where there used to plenty of em as well as a bunch of Arabs, mostly Syrians, all living together. So they begin to buy some land, and some Jews start to move there. These are the original "Zionists". The Ottoman empire of the Turks own the region at this time and there aren't a whole lot people there, sparse Arabs that call themselves Syrians and a lot of the area itself is mostly a crap hole infested with camel spiders and malaria ridden swamps. The Jews that go there begin to work on draining the swamps and riding the area of malaria. Lot's of Arabs emigrate there too because there is work available spiffing up the land, and the land is getting better, all happy happy.
WWI happens and the Turks side with the Germans which was a piss poor choice because they lost. So the entire area gets "Mandated" to the British and French who were on the winning side, tough crap Turks, you lost, buh bye, you don't own the region anymore. So under the Sykes-Picot Agreement in 1916 the area gets divided into zones of influence. Lebanon and Syria were assigned (mandated) to France... and "Palestine" (today's Jordan, Israel and "West Bank") gets mandated to Great Britain. Since no one had ever established a homeland in the region since the Jews had like 2000 years ago in the bible times, the Brits looked pretty favorably at them doing it again, since they were already there and greatly improving living conditions.
Several years later in 1923 Britain divides the area they have control of. They take the Jordan river as the dividing line. West of that will be the only area that Jews will be allowed to own land, the other side will be the Arab side. So the country of Trans-Jordan is created. One side will be Arab-Palestine homeland, about 75% of the British mandate, the other side will be Jew-Palestine homeland, the remaining 25%. So the big side gets handed over to an Emir from what is now Saudi Arabia to take control over, who isn't even from the region, and that is pretty much the end of calling that a Palestinian-Arab homeland, cause he ain't a Palestinian.
Right around this time Arab Nationalism is growing strong, they start to launch attacks on the Jews in the 25% country. Some pretty bad ones like the Hebron massacres of 1929 and later during the 1936-39 Arab Revolt. The Brits try to maintain order for awhile, but there are now large oil deposits being discovered in the Middle east so they slack off and pretty much turn a blind eye to the fighting going on. Right about this time the Jews figure they are on their own so they had better start to defend themselves or they're gonna get wasted and nobody will care because the owners of the countries are more concerned about the oil they found close by. So they form up what is now known as the IDF to defend themselves from the Arabs attacking them as well as ultimately having the goal of chucking out the Brits and being an independent country one day since the Brits don't really give a crap about them anyway.
So several years go by and the New Jew defense force does pretty well handling itself against the Arabs attacking them. They also do pretty well against the pro Arab Brits as far as keeping them at bay too. During this time WWII happens, the Brits are pretty busy with the Nazi War machine as most of Europe and the rest of the world are. The Nazis roast and kill a ton of Jews during WWII and have some pretty serious Jew hate genocide psychosis deal going on. The Jews are plenty pissed off about that one, but they hold their own in Palestine-Jew land and survive, various squabbling continues with the Arabs. So after WWII Britain is about done playing World War and British empire so they say fuck this crap going on there and turn the whole area over the newly formed UN to do whatever they want with it, they don't want any more part of it.
So the UN says OK we'll divide up Jew-Palestine land like this, going by where the Arabs and the Jews are already at, here yas go, Jew-Palestinian homeland here and Arab-Palestinian Homeland there, divided out of what used to be all Jew-Palestine land, have at it. The Arabs say, fuck you we want all of it, and the Jews say fuck you back we are already here, plus you nimrods of the rest of the world keep dividing Jew-Palestine land down and we were the ones that brought this shithole up to some halfway decent living standards years and years ago, so we ain't leavin it now. Israel says fuck you Arabs you ain't takin the whole thing and leavin us with nothing, we're taking what the UN gave us, which ain't much, before someone figures out how to divide more away. So Israel declares itself a State along the lines of UN resolution 181 and says now we're called Israel and everyone here is Israelis, fuck you we exist now. We got everyone involved in this deal trying to screw us over and or attack us for decades, plus the Nazis just tried to bake a shitload of us, we got a little spot here, leave us the fuck alone already and quit killin and attackin' us.
The very next day 7 Arab nations Launch a full scale assault on the new country of Israel to blow them off the planet. A lot of Arabs that were living in the new state of Israel haul ass because there is a war coming. Also the Arab nations tell them that once they kick the Jews asses in Israel they can have all that land, so they book and figure they'll make out good after, that was the beginning of the "Palestinian Refugee crisis" So the Arab plan to annihilate Israel doesn't really work out so swell, in fact the Arabs get their asses kicked, badly, and the Jews take a few chunks of land away to boot. The Arabs are really pissed so they tell all their Muslim buddy nations to chuck out all the Jews that have lived there for centuries, fuck them, pitch em out and take whatever they own. This is the beginning of the Jew refugee crisis.
So the Jews that get kicked out of Morocco, Algeria, etc etc say welp might as well head over to the new Jew homeland of Israel because at least maybe we catch a break there. The Arab refugees all get piled into the GAZA and West bank area and the Arab loser nations pretty much refuse to allow them to leave because they are crying about getting their asses beat by the Jews and they'd prefer to have a "Refugee crisis" to point at and cry over. Egypt has taken over the GAZA area during this war and Trans-Jordan has annexed the west bank and decides it won't be called Trans-Jordan anymore, since it doesn't really extend over the Jordan river, so now we're just called Jordan. Jordan grants the west bank Palestinians citizenship, Egypt says fuck you GAZANs we don't want you and keeps them penned in the GAZA strip, even under gunfire, we're gonna keep you in there as "refugees".
More time passes and the Arabs get together to try and blast Israel off the planet again in 1967. They mass up some pretty big armies and are ready to go and say the "objective is the annihilation of Israel" openly, but the Israelis see this coming and say fuck you Arabs we know you are going to attack us just like last time. The Israelis launch a pre-emptive attack on all the Arab armies massed up and kick the Arabs asses even worse this time. The Jew military takes the entire Sinai Peninsula away from Egypt and occupy the GAZA strip and take a few other minor hunks of land like the Golan Heights from Syria which the Jews were getting shelled from. Now the Arabs are Reeeeally Pissed off, they have lost a lot and they totally look like punks, Arabs don't like that. Israel kicked the crap out of 3 Arab nation's armies in only 6 days, and that war becomes known as the 6 day war.
Well the Arabs never got over that a little upstart Jew country beat ass on the mighty Arab armies, more than once. Over the next several decades to present day they have encouraged various attacks and suicide bombers etc etc perpetuated the "Refugee crisis" and have pretty much never quit whining and crying since about how the evil Jews shouldn't be there, blah blah, occupying Jew bastards etc etc but it all boils down to the fact that they got their asses beat more than once and Israel is a monument to their failure.
Over the decades Israel gave back a ton of land to the Arabs in the hopes that they would quit attacking and launching rockets at em, they even gave Egypt back the whole Sinai peninsula which is more land mass than all of Israel itself. Some peace accords have kinda worked but the Arabs keep crying like the loser bitches they are and keep blowing shit up and shooting various homemade piece of shit rockets into Israel because they are punk ass cry babies and can't get over being losers....more than once. Quoting: SHR
Crap historical text. What a waste of time writing it. |
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Spirit * Man ! User ID: 418811 12/27/2008 2:33 PM | | Re: The History of Israel and Palestine in easy to understand, colorful language. | Quote | And because of the pride and fear on both sides the killing goes on. Childish, immature nonsense. Totally weak on both sides. So people die and lives are destroyed ....FOR WHAT ??? !!! pride and fear. What a waste.
Both sides showing just how weak they truly are. This is not a show "strength" this is a show of complete weakness.
See...as time goes on this is how it becomes impossible to hide the truth. True strength is a willingness to talk and trust and live in peace ...for all sides.
Besides....if we continue to fight in a world so volatile then global doom awaits. I wonder what will happen when the world begins to see that ? Will the world self destruct because it cannot stop its weak and goofy ways of living or will we take the high road and live in peace ? We shall see. So far it looks all doomy and gloomy as only pointless, ridiculous war can bring.
Fuckin fools over there. It is like watching retarded children attacking each other. Idiots.
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 580662 12/27/2008 2:37 PM | | Re: The History of Israel and Palestine in easy to understand, colorful language. | Quote | You left out the Balfour declaration and the British Israel movement. Pretty glaring omissions. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 580474 12/27/2008 2:38 PM | | Re: The History of Israel and Palestine in easy to understand, colorful language. | Quote |
And because of the pride and fear on both sides the killing goes on. Childish, immature nonsense. Totally weak on both sides. So people die and lives are destroyed ....FOR WHAT ??? !!! pride and fear. What a waste.
Both sides showing just how weak they truly are. This is not a show "strength" this is a show of complete weakness.
See...as time goes on this is how it becomes impossible to hide the truth. True strength is a willingness to talk and trust and live in peace ...for all sides.
Besides....if we continue to fight in a world so volatile then global doom awaits. I wonder what will happen when the world begins to see that ? Will the world self destruct because it cannot stop its weak and goofy ways of living or will we take the high road and live in peace ? We shall see. So far it looks all doomy and gloomy as only pointless, ridiculous war can bring.
Fuckin fools over there. It is like watching retarded children attacking each other. Idiots.
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Brain washed fool. Take your soma pill and go back to sleep. |
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ANNONYMOUS User ID: 546346 12/27/2008 2:39 PM | | Re: The History of Israel and Palestine in easy to understand, colorful language. | Quote |

Hey SHR HTFAY? Good downhome analysis of the situation but you left out a few points. First, the former Turkish area became a Mandate to the League of Nations the precursor of the UN which suceeded to the control once it was established. Second, the Balfour Declaration passed by the Brits promised the Jews a homeland where it is due to amongst other things service to the King etc.. When oil entered the picture the Brits to curry favor with the Arab potentates began holding back on the deal. Third, many of the displaced Arabs who booked it out did so on the orders of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (a Nazi sympathizer) to stall the IDF army which was kicking Jordan's butt. The roads were clogged with fleeing Arabs most of whom wound up in Jordan. These people continually agitated in Jordan and plotted against the King to the point where the Jordanian Army was used to expel them a nice way of saying they kicked their asses out. These groups became the Palastinians lighting in Syria but mainly Lebanon where once again all hell breaks loose. The reason is these people were kept in refugee camps that still exist to a certain extent today on the Westbank. Why? The answer is simple The UN/US/Europeans paid very large sums of money to the host country/ countries as refugee relief aid. The other reason was as generation after generation grew up in these camps for the last 50 or so years they were indoctrinated with the kill Israelis doctrine. The Camps still exist today. So do the foot soldiers being used against the Israelis only this round is much different. No big armies or big battles only percieved winners and losers. |
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Spirit * Man ! User ID: 418811 12/27/2008 2:40 PM | | Re: The History of Israel and Palestine in easy to understand, colorful language. | Quote |
And because of the pride and fear on both sides the killing goes on. Childish, immature nonsense. Totally weak on both sides. So people die and lives are destroyed ....FOR WHAT ??? !!! pride and fear. What a waste.
Both sides showing just how weak they truly are. This is not a show "strength" this is a show of complete weakness.
See...as time goes on this is how it becomes impossible to hide the truth. True strength is a willingness to talk and trust and live in peace ...for all sides.
Besides....if we continue to fight in a world so volatile then global doom awaits. I wonder what will happen when the world begins to see that ? Will the world self destruct because it cannot stop its weak and goofy ways of living or will we take the high road and live in peace ? We shall see. So far it looks all doomy and gloomy as only pointless, ridiculous war can bring.
Fuckin fools over there. It is like watching retarded children attacking each other. Idiots.
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Brain washed fool. Take your soma pill and go back to sleep. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 580474
You must be one of those evil retards that things war is a good thing. LOL ...you're kind is finished. Everything you want to protect you will wind up destroying. Burn in hell.
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 344863 12/27/2008 2:42 PM | | Re: The History of Israel and Palestine in easy to understand, colorful language. | Quote |
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shouldn't be there, blah blah, occupying Jew bastards etc etc but it all boils down to the fact that they got their asses beat more than once and Israel is a monument to their failure. Quoting: SHR
The reason the Arabs can't just overcome this is because it is proof that their god Allah is a paper tiger while Jaweh, the Jewish god obviously has some good kicking power. |
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Spirit * Man ! User ID: 418811 12/27/2008 2:42 PM | | Re: The History of Israel and Palestine in easy to understand, colorful language. | Quote |
And because of the pride and fear on both sides the killing goes on. Childish, immature nonsense. Totally weak on both sides. So people die and lives are destroyed ....FOR WHAT ??? !!! pride and fear. What a waste.
Both sides showing just how weak they truly are. This is not a show "strength" this is a show of complete weakness.
See...as time goes on this is how it becomes impossible to hide the truth. True strength is a willingness to talk and trust and live in peace ...for all sides.
Besides....if we continue to fight in a world so volatile then global doom awaits. I wonder what will happen when the world begins to see that ? Will the world self destruct because it cannot stop its weak and goofy ways of living or will we take the high road and live in peace ? We shall see. So far it looks all doomy and gloomy as only pointless, ridiculous war can bring.
Fuckin fools over there. It is like watching retarded children attacking each other. Idiots.
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Brain washed fool. Take your soma pill and go back to sleep. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 580474
Why dont you go over there and pick your side and fight for them ?
If you are going to be an arm-chair anything be the arm-chair peace talker. At least that way it is less cowardly.
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 580474 12/27/2008 2:43 PM | | Re: The History of Israel and Palestine in easy to understand, colorful language. | Quote |
And because of the pride and fear on both sides the killing goes on. Childish, immature nonsense. Totally weak on both sides. So people die and lives are destroyed ....FOR WHAT ??? !!! pride and fear. What a waste.
Both sides showing just how weak they truly are. This is not a show "strength" this is a show of complete weakness.
See...as time goes on this is how it becomes impossible to hide the truth. True strength is a willingness to talk and trust and live in peace ...for all sides.
Besides....if we continue to fight in a world so volatile then global doom awaits. I wonder what will happen when the world begins to see that ? Will the world self destruct because it cannot stop its weak and goofy ways of living or will we take the high road and live in peace ? We shall see. So far it looks all doomy and gloomy as only pointless, ridiculous war can bring.
Fuckin fools over there. It is like watching retarded children attacking each other. Idiots.
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Brain washed fool. Take your soma pill and go back to sleep.
You must be one of those evil retards that things war is a good thing. LOL ...you're kind is finished. Everything you want to protect you will wind up destroying. Burn in hell.
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Au contraire War is of Satan and is evil. You just repeated what you where supposed to repeat. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 344863 12/27/2008 2:44 PM | | Re: The History of Israel and Palestine in easy to understand, colorful language. | Quote |

forum moderator pining forum moderator thread.
Did you know that there is Real world outside this virtual of GLP?
in which children and woman are murderd by yours truly IDF?
you chose side; god or evil. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 497622
Hey dummy, when you and your buddies start a war, don't be surprised when your wifes and kids get pummeled too. There is an easy receipt for that: Don't start wars... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 579898 12/27/2008 2:44 PM | | Re: The History of Israel and Palestine in easy to understand, colorful language. | Quote | this is how israel treats its own arab citizens who don't do anything against israel [link to www.alarabiya.net]
all your article said is that arabs lost a war and made bad decisions, but does that justify treating them like crap, and even supporting those who treat them like crap. well I guess the tibetans should be treated like crap to because they lost to the chinese. |
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Simon Templar User ID: 340209 12/27/2008 2:49 PM
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All masons stay in your ball=this is T= weights and ballances=mountian=hieroglyphics=light sequence.Our nations are in a state of djed pillars=may you learn random bar-acks of kindness=peace to egypt. Quoting: MOUNTIAN GATE 568010
Tell me why is it that Masons are brought into this? The greatest weapon of mass destruction is a closed mind. |
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Spirit * Man ! User ID: 418811 12/27/2008 2:50 PM | | Re: The History of Israel and Palestine in easy to understand, colorful language. | Quote | Watch for more insanity from nature. Total upheaval.
Diseases spread, volcanoes erupt, earthquakes more and more and bigger.
"NECESSARY" STUFF AS WELL !!!
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tachik0ma User ID: 580668 12/27/2008 2:50 PM | | Re: The History of Israel and Palestine in easy to understand, colorful language. | Quote | Is it by accident you did not mention the balfour declaration issued by the brits 2 years before they even had a mandate in Palestine ??? |
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Simon Templar User ID: 340209 12/27/2008 2:51 PM
 | | Re: The History of Israel and Palestine in easy to understand, colorful language. | Quote | Oh, by the way SHR, very good post. Even a subhuman, bottom-feeding, mouth-breathing, hairy backed redneck like me can understand thoroughly. The greatest weapon of mass destruction is a closed mind. |
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ANNONYMOUS User ID: 546346 12/27/2008 2:51 PM | | Re: The History of Israel and Palestine in easy to understand, colorful language. | Quote |
this is how israel treats its own arab citizens who don't do anything against israel [ link to www.alarabiya.net]
all your article said is that arabs lost a war and made bad decisions, but does that justify treating them like crap, and even supporting those who treat them like crap. well I guess the tibetans should be treated like crap to because they lost to the chinese. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 579898

Perhaps you need to check your facts MORON. The Arab populations in Israel have most of the same rights and advantages as the Jews. There was a post several months ago on GLP by a Muslim scholar who was amazed at the lives most Arabs lead in Israel itself. Jerusalem because of the nature of the conflict may be somewhat different but in the main the Arabs in Israel are much better off then their brethern in the camps. Just sayin....... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 580669 12/27/2008 2:52 PM | | Re: The History of Israel and Palestine in easy to understand, colorful language. | Quote | There is not one shred of connection between the jews of Jesus' time over 2000 years ago,and the jews of today.
But the powers that be know that there would be alot of fighting for this land,so when they gave it to the 20th century jews who have no bloodline connection whatsoever to those of jesus' time they got what they wanted: War. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 344863 12/27/2008 2:52 PM | | Re: The History of Israel and Palestine in easy to understand, colorful language. | Quote |
The answer is simple The UN/US/Europeans paid very large sums of money to the host country/ countries as refugee relief aid. The other reason was as generation after generation grew up in these camps for the last 50 or so years they were indoctrinated with the kill Israelis doctrine. The Camps still exist today. So do the foot soldiers being used against the Israelis only this round is much different. No big armies or big battles only percieved winners and losers. Quoting: ANNONYMOUS 546346
Just a form of Jihad. Let the western countries bleed for the refugees while keeping them agitated against Israel. Nobody seems to notice that the rich Arab countries could easely provide them all a place to live. Considering all the Jews fleeing the Arab countries, it would almost be an equal swap. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 580606 12/27/2008 2:54 PM | | Re: The History of Israel and Palestine in easy to understand, colorful language. | Quote | The post was a decent analysis.
However, the Israelis are not exactly the angels.
Historically, they acquired their land through more cunning than what has been suggested, and the operations within those territories (Jenin included) paint a less rosy picture than what has been portrayed in the initial post of this thread.
Israel as a whole has a UN mandated right to exist as a State, but historically the truth is that it should not exist where it exists now.
It is akin to the UN mandating a Belgian State within Japan |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 279896 12/27/2008 2:55 PM | | Re: The History of Israel and Palestine in easy to understand, colorful language. | Quote | EPIC FAIL SUCK!
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malu  User ID: 578235 12/27/2008 2:57 PM
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Oh, by the way SHR, very good post. Even a subhuman, bottom-feeding, mouth-breathing, hairy backed redneck like me can understand thoroughly. Quoting: Simon Templar
lmao!
yeah me to, this is something i can get all three fingers around When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable.
"Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking." |
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Khazar User ID: 547463 12/27/2008 2:59 PM | | Re: The History of Israel and Palestine in easy to understand, colorful language. | Quote | Very few of us currently occupying Israel are Semites, yet we find it very convenient to label others anti-semites when they disagree with out terror tactics, apartheid schemes, and goals for global domination via the introduction of Jerusalem as the earth's capital.
Thank you Lord Rothschild and all of the Rothschild descendants and relatives: Rockefellers et al.
We couldn't have achieved so much in so little time without your dedication and support. |
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Simon Templar User ID: 340209 12/27/2008 3:00 PM
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Oh, by the way SHR, very good post. Even a subhuman, bottom-feeding, mouth-breathing, hairy backed redneck like me can understand thoroughly.
lmao!
yeah me to, this is something i can get all three fingers around Quoting: malu
Dang Malu... you got three fingers????? Wonder what happened. I feel fortunate to have one finger and an opposing thumb. The greatest weapon of mass destruction is a closed mind. |
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