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Why is the age of consent in Vatican 12 ?

 
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Why is the age of consent in Vatican 12 ?
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Re: Why is the age of consent in Vatican 12 ?
Because they couldn't get away with younger.
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Re: Why is the age of consent in Vatican 12 ?
Because that was what is was under Italian law (it is now 14) at the time of the Lateran Treaty (1929).
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Someone proposed age 7 because it is the same as their "age of accountability" but that caused a huge outcry. So the pedophiles had to settle for 12.

I'm surprised they didn't just say "breathing" or "able to walk" or "over 36 months" - which would probably have given a lot of them an erection for the first time in many moons... but the've actually legally settled for 12 years of age.
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Re: Why is the age of consent in Vatican 12 ?
based on Italian laws, old outdated laws, no pun intended.
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Re: Why is the age of consent in Vatican 12 ?
This is a misnomer that involves an arcane law that was part of the old Codic Penal from Italy.

In 1929 when the Vatican became a city state from the Lateran Treaty with Italy, it carried over the same civil law that was on the books in Italy at the time.

At the time, the Italian Codic Penal had an age of consent of 12 years. It is an arcane law and is irrelevant to Vatican City.

There are only 824 citizens in Vatican City. None of them are children. They are prelates and guards.

Children have never been citizens of Vatican City.

The arcane law of consent doesn't apply to anyone because there are no children who are citizens.
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OP is secretly harboring a desire for 12-somethings, which is why he posted this thread.

Fact: in the modern world, your propensity is out dated. Deal with it and kild thy self.
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Re: Why is the age of consent in Vatican 12 ?
I wanna know.
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good point, why is 17 or 18 or 15 or 21?

why is it less or more for females and males.

why is it more or less for heteosexuals than homosexuals?
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People died before the age of 35.
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The Vatican, being just one of a number of splinter sects off of Judaism, is only enshrining Jewish "common law" along with Imperial Roman civil & common law for the elite citizen & Patrician classes (later carried over into Italian civil government) which stated that the free-born women of Rome give sexual consent at the onset at puberty or generally 12 years of age for marriage; or if ousted from the family due to dishonor of some sort give legal consent at a similar age to survive by prostitution (although, depending on the circumstanses this could be viewed anywere from Causitry such as when Crusaders raped Moslem women when they were "tempted beyond measure"; to as severe as mortal sin) - as for example, in the brothels of Rome, which were often "taxed monetarily" in some fashion by the Rome government & the Vatican.

For example in the Brooke Shields vehicle Pretty Baby she worked as a prostitute with quasi-legality in historical connection to the Roman Catholic French Quarter at the age of 12 AND was married with the blessings of the Priest at the age of 12 to a man well into his twenties or even thirties in a Roman Catholic church.

Remembering again, The Vatican is founded upon the religion of Christendom which is founded upon her eternal "Father" (God: "Hear O Israel, There is one God/ These three are One") impregnating ("coming upon" KJV) a Jewish 12 year old or so named Mary and giving her to a 30 something year old or so man named Joseph to sleep naked with in the same bed (apparently they were poor).

Given as there was no such a thing as a Roman Catholic, Protestant, Evangelical or even a Messianic Jew for that matter back in those days - ONLY Orthodox Jews (and some half-Jewish Samaritans); Judaism states that in order pass from the chattel ownership of a woman in legal contract termed "Betrothal" to the penetrative chattel ownership of a woman in the legal standing termed as "Wife" (rape was punished identically whether the woman had a "Betrothal" status or a "Wife" status) the following must occur:
Joseph of legal necessity had to have either broken Mary's hymen with more than a few penetrative thrusts with at least a Quicky on the wedding night (even if they thereafter had mutually agreed to abstain from sexual intercourse from henceforth) or, as the Bible states, AFTER Mary did her Jewish mother ritual of purification for uncleaness 40 days after giving birth to a male child by offering couple of doves for a sin atonement sacrifice, for 12 year old Mary to have been even legally married according to Judaism.

So one could suppose that common to all male-centric organized religion, has enshrined with Divine authority behind it what men have generally always wanted to do since since the Neanderthal & Cro-Magnon days, namely, that when a young girl would begin to "come into season".... what some in the 21st century term as Pedophilia.

As once again in the case of the over 50 year old Mohammed and 9 year old Aisha, with many claiming Divine authorisation for 6-9 year olds sitting on one's lap, open mouth deep tongue French kissing, masturbatory fondling, breast fondling or even oral sex. Confer with your local Rabbi or read the Talmud to find out what the Jews Mary and Joseph may have been up to cuddled up on those long cold nights together in regard to sitting on one's lap, open mouth deep tongue French kissing, masturbatory fondling, breast fondling or even oral sex.

So SOME religious people will shout "Patriarchy!.. Enshrined Pedophilia!.. Opiate of the people!

While SOME religious people will shout "Natural Law!.. If it's good enuogh for God, then..."

Link to an article being taught as a handout paper in a number of universities disscusing in detail the Roman Catholic and Jewish historical laws on the age of consent (replete with footnote references and citations):

[link to www.internationalorder.org]
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Re: Why is the age of consent in Vatican 12 ?
Because Mary, the mother Jesus married Saint Joseph when she was 12 and Saint Joseph was in his forties.
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Because they want to breed lots of children taking over the world, like islam and the mormons.
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OP is secretly harboring a desire for 12-somethings, which is why he posted this thread.

Fact: in the modern world, your propensity is out dated. Deal with it and kild thy self.
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he has a point , you dont
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Remembering again, The Vatican is founded upon the religion of Christendom which is founded upon her eternal "Father" (God: "Hear O Israel, There is one God/ These three are One") impregnating ("coming upon" KJV) a Jewish 12 year old or so named Mary and giving her to a 30 something year old or so man named Joseph to sleep naked with in the same bed (apparently they were poor).

Given as there was no such a thing as a Roman Catholic, Protestant, Evangelical or even a Messianic Jew for that matter back in those days - ONLY Orthodox Jews (and some half-Jewish Samaritans); Judaism states that in order pass from the chattel ownership of a woman in legal contract termed "Betrothal" to the penetrative chattel ownership of a woman in the legal standing termed as "Wife" (rape was punished identically whether the woman had a "Betrothal" status or a "Wife" status) the following must occur:
Joseph of legal necessity had to have either broken Mary's hymen with more than a few penetrative thrusts with at least a Quicky on the wedding night (even if they thereafter had mutually agreed to abstain from sexual intercourse from henceforth) or, as the Bible states, AFTER Mary did her Jewish mother ritual of purification for uncleaness 40 days after giving birth to a male child by offering couple of doves for a sin atonement sacrifice, for 12 year old Mary to have been even legally married according to Judaism.

So one could suppose that common to all male-centric organized religion, has enshrined with Divine authority behind it what men have generally always wanted to do since since the Neanderthal & Cro-Magnon days, namely, that when a young girl would begin to "come into season".... what some in the 21st century term as Pedophilia.

As once again in the case of the over 50 year old Mohammed and 9 year old Aisha, with many claiming Divine authorisation for 6-9 year olds sitting on one's lap, open mouth deep tongue French kissing, masturbatory fondling, breast fondling or even oral sex. Confer with your local Rabbi or read the Talmud to find out what the Jews Mary and Joseph may have been up to cuddled up on those long cold nights together in regard to sitting on one's lap, open mouth deep tongue French kissing, masturbatory fondling, breast fondling or even oral sex.

So SOME religious people will shout "Patriarchy!.. Enshrined Pedophilia!.. Opiate of the people!

While SOME religious people will shout "Natural Law!.. If it's good enuogh for God, then..."

Link to an article being taught as a handout paper in a number of universities disscusing in detail the Roman Catholic and Jewish historical laws on the age of consent (replete with footnote references and citations):

[link to www.internationalorder.org]
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Because one was probably busted with a 12 yr old alter boy.
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The age of consent is 12 in many places including some U.S. states. The "age of consent" does not mean what you think it means. There are some other laws that go along with it that make it confusing.

For instance, in the state of Pennsylvania the age of consent to sexual intercourse is 12. However, this must be intercourse and not sodomy or oral sex. In addition, the consenting partners (who are of or under the age of 18) must have an age difference of less than 4 yours. The age of consent for oral sex/sodomy is 16 (assuming there is not some old law about sodomy that I do not know about in the state of Pennsylvania).

In other words, it would be completely legal for a 15 year old girl to have sex with a 12 year old boy, but illegal for an 18 year old woman or a 16 year old girl.

If you check into I am sure you will learn that 12 is the age of consent in many locations.
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The age of consent is 12 in many places including some U.S. states. The "age of consent" does not mean what you think it means. There are some other laws that go along with it that make it confusing.

For instance, in the state of Pennsylvania the age of consent to sexual intercourse is 12. However, this must be intercourse and not sodomy or oral sex. In addition, the consenting partners (who are of or under the age of 18) must have an age difference of less than 4 yours. The age of consent for oral sex/sodomy is 16 (assuming there is not some old law about sodomy that I do not know about in the state of Pennsylvania).

In other words, it would be completely legal for a 15 year old girl to have sex with a 12 year old boy, but illegal for an 18 year old woman or a 16 year old girl.

If you check into I am sure you will learn that 12 is the age of consent in many locations.
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And BTW, in the context of history, the whole 18 years thing is actually pretty recent to the western world.
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Still 12 in Spain too last I heard.
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Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"


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Someone proposed age 7 because it is the same as their "age of accountability" but that caused a huge outcry. So the pedophiles had to settle for 12.

I'm surprised they didn't just say "breathing" or "able to walk" or "over 36 months" - which would probably have given a lot of them an erection for the first time in many moons... but the've actually legally settled for 12 years of age.
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This asshole I used to work with once said to me, "If they're old enough to crawl, they're in the right position."

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Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"


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The age of consent is 12 in many places including some U.S. states. The "age of consent" does not mean what you think it means. There are some other laws that go along with it that make it confusing.

For instance, in the state of Pennsylvania the age of consent to sexual intercourse is 12. However, this must be intercourse and not sodomy or oral sex. In addition, the consenting partners (who are of or under the age of 18) must have an age difference of less than 4 yours. The age of consent for oral sex/sodomy is 16 (assuming there is not some old law about sodomy that I do not know about in the state of Pennsylvania).

In other words, it would be completely legal for a 15 year old girl to have sex with a 12 year old boy, but illegal for an 18 year old woman or a 16 year old girl.

If you check into I am sure you will learn that 12 is the age of consent in many locations.
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Interesting point. I remember some shit like that from when I was a teen, here in NY. Very confusing. No wonder teenagers wind up in jail over that shit. I say 4 year sliding scale under 25 down to puberty.
When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.

Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"


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source: [link to chnm.gmu.edu]

Age of Consent Laws

Stephen Robertson, University of Sydney, Australia
Age of Consent Laws [Table]
Annotation

Information on the ages used historically in western age of consent laws is not readily available. This table has been compiled from a combination of historical and contemporary sources. By 1880, the first date chosen, many western nations had established an age of consent for the first time, typically of 12 or 13 years. By 1920, when the influence of reform campaigns that established a new link between the age of consent and prostitution had run its course, most had revised their age upward, to 14 or 15 in European nations, and 16 in the Anglo-American world. In the last decades of the 20th century, states and nations with ages below those averages amended their laws to move closer to them. In Europe that growing conformity owed much to moves toward greater European integration. Given that the rationale for the age of consent has remained essentially unchanged in its emphasis on the need to protect 'immature' children, the table highlights the shifting and various definitions of childhood employed across time and cultures.
Source

Date compiled from the following sources: Hirschfeld, Magnus. The Homosexuality of Men and Women. Translated by Michael Lombardi-Nash. Amherst, New York: Prometheus Books, 2000; Killias, Martin. "The Emergence of a New Taboo: The Desexualization of Youth in Western Societies Since 1800." European Journal on Criminal Policy and Research 8 (2000): 466; Odem, Mary. Delinquent Daughters: Policing and Protecting Adolescent Female Sexuality in the United States, 1885-1920. Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press, 1995; "Worldwide Ages of Consent," AVERTing HIV and Aids, www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm (accessed November 29, 2007).
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Age Limit in Age of Consent Laws in Selected Countries
1880 1920 2007
Austria 14 14 14
Belgium - 16 16
Bulgaria 13 13 14
Denmark 12 12 15
England & Wales 13 16 16
Finland - 12 16
France 13 13 15
Germany 14 14 14
Greece - 12 15
Italy - 16 14
Luxembourg 15 15 16
Norway - 16 16
Portugal 12 12 14
Romania 15 15 15
Russia 10 14 16
Scotland 12 12 16
Spain 12 12 13
Sweden 15 15 15
Switzerland various 16 16
Turkey 15 15 18
Argentina - 12 13
Brazil - 16 14
Chile 20 20 18
Ecuador - 14 14
Canada 12 14 14
Australia
New South Wales 12 16 16
Queensland 12 17 16
Victoria 12 16 16
Western Australia 12 14 16
United States
Alabama 10 16 16
Alaska - 16 16
Arizona 12 18 18
Arkansas 10 16 16
California 10 18 18
Colorado 10 18 15
Connecticut 10 16 16
District of Columbia 12 16 16
Delaware 7 16 16
Florida 10 18 18
Georgia 10 14 16
Hawaii - - 16
Idaho 10 18 18
Illinois 10 16 17
Indiana 12 16 16
Iowa 10 16 16
Kansas 10 18 16
Kentucky 12 16 16
Louisiana 12 18 17
Maine 10 16 16
Maryland 10 16 16
Massachusetts 10 16 16
Michigan 10 16 16
Minnesota 10 18 16
Mississippi 10 18 16
Missouri 12 18 17
Montana 10 18 16
Nebraska 10 18 17
Nevada 12 18 16
New Hampshire 10 16 16
New Jersey 10 16 16
New Mexico 10 16 17
New York 10 18 17
North Carolina 10 16 16
North Dakota 10 18 18
Ohio 10 16 16
Oklahoma - - 16
Oregon 10 16 18
Pennsylvania 10 16 16
Rhode Island 10 16 16
South Carolina 10 16 16
South Dakota 10 18 16
Tennessee 10 18 18
Texas 10 18 17
Utah 10 18 16
Vermont 10 16 16
Virginia 12 16 18
Washington 12 18 16
West Virginia 12 16 16
Wisconsin 10 16 18
Wyoming 10 16 16
How to Cite This Source

Stephen Robertson, "Age of Consent Laws," in Children and Youth in History, Item #230, [link to chnm.gmu.edu] (accessed June 18, 2009).
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Re: Why is the age of consent in Vatican 12 ?
I think it's because the age of pisces is "age 12".

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The age of consent in the Vatican City is 14 (16 if the other party is in a relationship of dependence, like a teacher-student). The Wikipedia entry that cites 12 is incorrect.

It was initially 12 because when the Vatican City came into existence (1929) it inherited the Italian Penal Code, which had it at 12. However, the civil laws of the Vatican City automatically were updated whenever the Italian Laws changed, and currently they sit at 14/16.

In December 2008 the Vatican City declared it would no longer automatically accept Italian Laws, but the age of consent remains at 14/16.

A more complete explanation here: [link to nzconservative.blogspot.com]


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What they were really aiming for was 12 months, or out of diapers, whichever came first.
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so the catholic pedaphile's will be legal.
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@Lady Lara Croft: Your quote from Spencer answers your own comment. Brilliant.
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I watched a tv show about the Vatican last night. The one thing that stuck out to me was the fact that in his Easter Greeting the Pope said " Blessing to all those with a good heart " what about the other 97% of the planet - I would think they need blessing more than anyone. abduct
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Perhaps you have to work for a blessing. All those with a good heart pray for the other 97% in any case, so you are covered.
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@Lady Lara Croft: Your quote from Spencer answers your own comment. Brilliant.
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it seems rather obvious should that be the case. 12 years old anywhere is not old enough for sexual consent. A mere child. An opinion with no research is still acceptable, as even a question with no research. it seems obvious to protect the men child molestors.
No contempt here. Just personal experience.

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Just how bad did Martin judge things to be? Extremely so:

"Suddenly it became unarguable that now during this papacy, the Roman Catholic organization carried a permanent presence of clerics who worshipped Satan and liked it; of bishops and priests who sodomized boys and each other; of nuns who performed the “Black Rites” of Wicca, and who lived in lesbian relationships . . . every day, including Sundays and Holy Days, acts of heresy and blasphemy and outrage and indifference were committed and permitted at holy Altars by men who had been called to be priests. Sacrilegious actions and rites were not only performed on Christ’s Altars, but had the connivance or at least the tacit permission of certain Cardinals, archbishops, and bishops. . . In total number they were a minority—anything from one to ten percent of Church personnel. But of that minority, many occupied astoundingly high positions or rank.... The facts that brought the Pope to a new level of suffering were mainly two: The systematic organizational links—the network, in other words that had been established between certain clerical homosexual groups and Satanist covens. And the inordinate power and influence of that network." (pp. 492-3)

At the time of his passing on July 27, 1999, Martin was at work on what he said would be his most controversial and important book. Primacy: How the Institutional Roman Catholic Church became a Creature of The New World Order was to deal with power and the papacy. This work was to analyze the revolutionary shift that lies at the heart of what many see as the breakdown of papal power. It was to be a book of predictions about the Vatican and the world in the first decades of the new millennium.

Fr. Malachi Martin never recanted any of his claims that the scene in Windswept House was based on an actual satanic ritual in the Vatican in the first days of the reign of Pope Paul VI, nor that there exists a general satanic conspiracy within the Roman Catholic Church.


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