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There are No "Victims"

 
T.C

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I think your quoted use of the word "victim" is implying a context that may not be clear to people when they read your message. Of course there are victims - by definition. Look up the word "victim" in the dictionary.

In the context of taking responsibility for what has occurred instead of simply justifying it or rationalizing it, I concur. A popular aphorism that I believe applies is 'Life is not what happens to you, it's how you deal with it'.

Personally I have witnessed 'victims' as a result of cause and effect whereby they did not have the mental and/or responsive capabilities to extrapolate the cause and therefore avoid it - even with prior advice. Do such people only have themselves to blame or do we pity their inadequacies?
Take your dogma and shove it!

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Financed by the false memory syndrome foundation. Very evil.
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So if you get blown up by a terrorist or stabbed by a junkie, just remember to take it well because you're not a victim.

It's easy to say shit from the comfort of your own home but when you are in the real world, the truth is that there are victims.
 Quoting: MercurialStorm



There's a lot of truth to this. And what if it is your children who are, say, being tortured in front of you ? Then what ? I was always a 'turn the other cheek' type until I became a mother. The maternal protection instincts are very strong . . .
And yes, at a fundamental level I KNEW that my children were also immortal energy beings, but that did not prevent me doing my utmost to protect them !
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ooga booga boo
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I think your quoted use of the word "victim" is implying a context that may not be clear to people when they read your message. Of course there are victims - by definition. Look up the word "victim" in the dictionary.

In the context of taking responsibility for what has occurred instead of simply justifying it or rationalizing it, I concur. A popular aphorism that I believe applies is 'Life is not what happens to you, it's how you deal with it'.

Personally I have witnessed 'victims' as a result of cause and effect whereby they did not have the mental and/or responsive capabilities to extrapolate the cause and therefore avoid it - even with prior advice. Do such people only have themselves to blame or do we pity their inadequacies?
 Quoting: T.C


sometimes the causes are extraordinarily obscure and without sufficient resources of many kinds it is absolutely impossible to 'perservere' until those
causes are revealed

that said, the dynamic of Reaching Out, Vulnerability and Perseverance is a very good one and as individuals and societies we should allocate more resources to this process . . .
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all i can think of is mr burns from the simpsons hopped up on painkillers, glowing.

i bring you peace....

he's got peace, get it from him!!!

the OP makes no sense and is a mass of contradictions. wake up mr burns! yer meds are wearing off you idiot.
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Canuck. You realise of course you are arguing with a male disinfo agent. His BS is mostly scripted and he is not allowed to change his mind. Give it up. He's a souless 'tard.
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please explain!
“I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as fraud.”
CARL JUNG IN 1919

"The power of accurate observation is often called cynicism by those who don't have it." - George Bernard Shaw

Cree proverb:
Only after the last tree has been cut down, only after the last river has been poisoned, only after the last fish has been caught, only then will you find, that money cannot be eaten.

"Mankind's true moral test, its fundamental test (which lies deeply buried from view) consists of its attitude towards those who are at its mercy - animals."
-Milan Kundera, "The Unbearable Lightness of Being" (1984)
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I think your quoted use of the word "victim" is implying a context that may not be clear to people when they read your message. Of course there are victims - by definition. Look up the word "victim" in the dictionary.

In the context of taking responsibility for what has occurred instead of simply justifying it or rationalizing it, I concur. A popular aphorism that I believe applies is 'Life is not what happens to you, it's how you deal with it'.
 Quoting: T.C


Thanks T.C, succinct.

I would have to say that the term "victim" is problematic - mostly because it usually evokes sympathy and sympathy is another form of vicimthood (and often sought as part of the Game) - It should *not*, however, be confused with empathy and compassion. In short the concept, as generally adhered to, is twisted.


Personally I have witnessed 'victims' as a result of cause and effect whereby they did not have the mental and/or responsive capabilities to extrapolate the cause and therefore avoid it - even with prior advice. Do such people only have themselves to blame or do we pity their inadequacies?
 Quoting: T.C


It is ALL a result of Cause & Affect. As such, again, no "victims" (in terms of not being accountable) - however, there are those who are here (and 'everywhere') to Help/Assist people in the position you have described. All-ways has been.

We each have a purpose for being on Earth.

Azure'
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I think your quoted use of the word "victim" is implying a context that may not be clear to people when they read your message. Of course there are victims - by definition. Look up the word "victim" in the dictionary.

In the context of taking responsibility for what has occurred instead of simply justifying it or rationalizing it, I concur. A popular aphorism that I believe applies is 'Life is not what happens to you, it's how you deal with it'.

Personally I have witnessed 'victims' as a result of cause and effect whereby they did not have the mental and/or responsive capabilities to extrapolate the cause and therefore avoid it - even with prior advice. Do such people only have themselves to blame or do we pity their inadequacies?
 Quoting: T.C


T.C., do you believe that every last detail of our lives here on this planet are planned in detail before we incarnate?
“I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as fraud.”
CARL JUNG IN 1919

"The power of accurate observation is often called cynicism by those who don't have it." - George Bernard Shaw

Cree proverb:
Only after the last tree has been cut down, only after the last river has been poisoned, only after the last fish has been caught, only then will you find, that money cannot be eaten.

"Mankind's true moral test, its fundamental test (which lies deeply buried from view) consists of its attitude towards those who are at its mercy - animals."
-Milan Kundera, "The Unbearable Lightness of Being" (1984)
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The guy that posts as azure is paid by the false memory syndrome foundation to confuse people about what a victim is. They plant doughts in the mind of jurors to get pedophiles cleared of molestation charges. The foundation was founded by a pedephile.
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I think your quoted use of the word "victim" is implying a context that may not be clear to people when they read your message. Of course there are victims - by definition. Look up the word "victim" in the dictionary.

In the context of taking responsibility for what has occurred instead of simply justifying it or rationalizing it, I concur. A popular aphorism that I believe applies is 'Life is not what happens to you, it's how you deal with it'.


Thanks T.C, succinct.

I would have to say that the term "victim" is problematic - mostly because it usually evokes sympathy and sympathy is another form of vicimthood (and often sought as part of the Game) - It should *not*, however, be confused with empathy and compassion. In short the concept, as generally adhered to, is twisted.



Personally I have witnessed 'victims' as a result of cause and effect whereby they did not have the mental and/or responsive capabilities to extrapolate the cause and therefore avoid it - even with prior advice. Do such people only have themselves to blame or do we pity their inadequacies?


It is ALL a result of Cause & Affect. As such, again, no "victims" (in terms of not being accountable) - however, there are those who are here (and 'everywhere') to Help/Assist people in the position you have described. All-ways has been.

We each have a purpose for being on Earth.

Azure'
 Quoting: Azure'


Thank you Azure'

"It is ALL a result of Cause & Affect. As such, again, no "victims" (in terms of not being accountable) ......"

This above is what I was trying to get at in my post to T.C. when I asked him if he believed that every last detail was planned in our lives before we came to earth.

(You said it better :).
“I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as fraud.”
CARL JUNG IN 1919

"The power of accurate observation is often called cynicism by those who don't have it." - George Bernard Shaw

Cree proverb:
Only after the last tree has been cut down, only after the last river has been poisoned, only after the last fish has been caught, only then will you find, that money cannot be eaten.

"Mankind's true moral test, its fundamental test (which lies deeply buried from view) consists of its attitude towards those who are at its mercy - animals."
-Milan Kundera, "The Unbearable Lightness of Being" (1984)
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The guy that posts as azure is paid by the false memory syndrome foundation to confuse people about what a victim is. They plant doughts in the mind of jurors to get pedophiles cleared of molestation charges. The foundation was founded by a pedephile.
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I see.... how came you by this information?
“I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as fraud.”
CARL JUNG IN 1919

"The power of accurate observation is often called cynicism by those who don't have it." - George Bernard Shaw

Cree proverb:
Only after the last tree has been cut down, only after the last river has been poisoned, only after the last fish has been caught, only then will you find, that money cannot be eaten.

"Mankind's true moral test, its fundamental test (which lies deeply buried from view) consists of its attitude towards those who are at its mercy - animals."
-Milan Kundera, "The Unbearable Lightness of Being" (1984)
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"T.C., do you believe that every last detail of our lives here on this planet are planned in detail before we incarnate?"




Excuse me, just what would the point of that be? How about this:

When we are born on earth, we become an individuated unit of consciousness taken from our group soul "quality". Out of attributes A, B, C, D, E, the group soul has enough A, B, C, D, but are lacking E. We are born out of our quality to gather quantity of E. When our earth life is finished, our consciousness joins as an individual point within the group soul, and our contribution of “E” leavens the whole group. Now, perhaps the soul wasn’t able to obtain “E” because it was all fucked up from its self worth being destroyed after years of child abuse. Well, the soul, when its body on earth dies, goes back to the group soul and retains its individuality, and even though it wasn’t able to contribute much “E”, the rest of the group compensates for this, and another bit of consciousness is born as an individual on earth to gather E.
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whered every 1 go
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There's a lot of truth to this. And what if it is your children who are, say, being tortured in front of you ? Then what ? I was always a 'turn the other cheek' type until I became a mother. The maternal protection instincts are very strong . . .
And yes, at a fundamental level I KNEW that my children were also immortal energy beings, but that did not prevent me doing my utmost to protect them !
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 581452


Not once did I argue against self-defence or the defence of those with whom you have Contracts to do so. The Choice is yours.

There is always a Better Choice in every given situation. The Choice is all-ways yours. All-ways has been.

I do not expect that people should behave as though they are doormats - no, quite the contrary... however, physical harm is *temporary* - other things are less temporary. Bodies are a dime a dozen although I am quite comfortable in this one so I'll ensure it lives as long as is neccessary. there are many ways to protect bodies (and those means needn't be purely physical either.)

Again, my point is that knee-jerk reactions (based on 'victim' mentality) are what have gotten this world into deep trouble. Why allow it to continue or get worse?

Azure'
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I hope you get dalmered in prison.
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Thank you Azure'

"It is ALL a result of Cause & Affect. As such, again, no "victims" (in terms of not being accountable) ......"

This above is what I was trying to get at in my post to T.C. when I asked him if he believed that every last detail was planned in our lives before we came to earth.

(You said it better :).
 Quoting: Canuck


Everyone Knew the Laws of Cause & Affect (The Cosmic Law of Energy) before coming here. Those incarnating have forgotten. Many have now simply chosen also to ignore even the inner compulsion which tells them this - for it is easier to place blame and thus play victim in the Game it has become on Earth.

It is An ILLUSION.

The Wheel Turns... and the mirrors will eventually shatter...

Resonsibility is what has all-ways been Real, the rest is simply denial (and it's a river which runs dry.)
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Not once did I argue against self-defence or the defence of those with whom you have Contracts to do so. The Choice is yours.
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How do I know if there's a contract?
That's my entire point... you are judging, and claim to know that which you cannot prove.

Nothing practical or useful ever comes from this new-age nonsense, and when presented with example of contradictions, you become a lawyer and push it back on the accuser. You are providing no example of personal responsibility. More like an example of a Pharisee.
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"Again, my point is that knee-jerk reactions (based on 'victim' mentality) are what have gotten this world into deep trouble. Why allow it to continue or get worse?"



Could you please give some examples of knee-jerk reactions based on victim mentality that have gotten this world into deep trouble?
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5 stars

great info OP
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People who aren't ready for this truth will not hear you. I find its not worth debating with people who are still very attached to their ego. The OP is at a higher vibrational level than most and the most important thing is not getting bogged down in the illusion again. There are always those who are ready to draw you back into the ridiculous game.
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How do I know if there's a contract?

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aaahhhhh indeed

and how do YOU know there is NOT a contract

from outside the perspective and rules of time, a more complete picture can be seen

nuf said
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"Again, my point is that knee-jerk reactions (based on 'victim' mentality) are what have gotten this world into deep trouble. Why allow it to continue or get worse?"



Could you please give some examples of knee-jerk reactions based on victim mentality that have gotten this world into deep trouble?
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Yes, examples please and thanks!
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How do I know if there's a contract?
That's my entire point... you are judging, and claim to know that which you cannot prove.
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Eveyone has Contracts with the beings who incarnate through their families ("their children"). As for others - either you know or you do not.

Nothing practical or useful ever comes from this new-age nonsense, and when presented with example of contradictions, you become a lawyer and push it back on the accuser.
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I must say I'm a very practical person and as such I don't mess around with beliefs - only what's tangible, but, hey, that's just me...
You can label whatever I write as whatever you wish, but if you are so tight-assed about labels and if it's only the label you have placed on the box that you see (and not the contents) then I'd have to say you're more than a little distracted.
LOL @ "lawyer"! You just put a smile on my face. Sue me?
:-)

You are providing no example of personal responsibility. More like an example of a Pharisee.
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Please do go into the details for I do not see what you're referring to...
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5 stars

great info OP
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Thanks

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People who aren't ready for this truth will not hear you. I find its not worth debating with people who are still very attached to their ego.
 Quoting: Reality is BS


Hey RiBS, thanks for reciprocating... you said it, but hey, there are those who have shown some resonance and the rest are just bumpers.

There are always those who are ready to draw you back into the ridiculous game.
 Quoting: Reality is BS

Quite right, the operative word being "try". I could only allow that if I choose to play the 'victim' game you see.
:-)
I'm really only just replying to them because I'm about to have some more coffee!
:-)

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It is ALL a result of Cause & Affect. As such, again, no "victims" (in terms of not being accountable) - however, there are those who are here (and 'everywhere') to Help/Assist people in the position you have described. All-ways has been.

We each have a purpose for being on Earth.

Azure'
 Quoting: Azure'


Okay, on one hand where you say there are no victims because of "being accountable" for ourselves, how then do you "assign" Helpers and Assistants to these people who don't remember their role? If they are to be responsible for their own misfortunes, then surely they are responsible for their own fortunes, too!?

This is why this philosophy falls down. It's like we are responsible for our sins, but we need someone else to help us....an outside Savior...in order to evolve. This is just repackaged fundamentalism imho.

How about we are responsible for ALL of it? Only then will we reclaim our own God-given power.

I realize this may just be semantics, but I don't feel we can leave out one or the other side of the WHOLE equation.

S.
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"Again, my point is that knee-jerk reactions (based on 'victim' mentality) are what have gotten this world into deep trouble. Why allow it to continue or get worse?"



Could you please give some examples of knee-jerk reactions based on victim mentality that have gotten this world into deep trouble?





Yes, examples please and thanks!
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I'm still waiting for examples, OP. Please and thanks.
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"T.C., do you believe that every last detail of our lives here on this planet are planned in detail before we incarnate?"




Excuse me, just what would the point of that be? How about this:

When we are born on earth, we become an individuated unit of consciousness taken from our group soul "quality". Out of attributes A, B, C, D, E, the group soul has enough A, B, C, D, but are lacking E. We are born out of our quality to gather quantity of E. When our earth life is finished, our consciousness joins as an individual point within the group soul, and our contribution of “E” leavens the whole group. Now, perhaps the soul wasn’t able to obtain “E” because it was all fucked up from its self worth being destroyed after years of child abuse. Well, the soul, when its body on earth dies, goes back to the group soul and retains its individuality, and even though it wasn’t able to contribute much “E”, the rest of the group compensates for this, and another bit of consciousness is born as an individual on earth to gather E.
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Interesting, if I were to translate what you have written to my understanding, it would go something like this.

“When we are born on earth, we become an individuated unit of consciousness taken from our Creator. Out of attributes A, B, C, D, E, the Creator has enough A, B, C, D, but is lacking E. We are born out of our quality to gather quantity of E. When our earth life is finished, our consciousness joins as an individual point within the Creator, and our contribution of “E” leavens the Creator. Now, perhaps the soul wasn’t able to obtain “E” because it was all fucked up from its self worth being destroyed after years of child abuse. Well, the soul, when its body on earth dies, goes back to the Creator and retains its individuality, and even though it wasn’t able to contribute much “E”, the Creator compensates for this, and another bit of consciousness is born as an individual on earth to gather E.”

Sounds good to me!

But I still believe we have to have a plan or contract when we reincarnate. And yes our contract or plan involves others.

Consider this: a person ("A") incarnates as a being with catastrophic disabilities needing 24/7 care to live. A person("B"), say someone who has committed a minor criminal act, has been sentenced to community service and part of this sentence was to provide care for this individual "A". The experience "B" derives from this sentence changes "B's" life forever for the better.

"A" is in such a position that most of us would question, why he is allowed to remain here in that useless state. I can say that at one point in my life I would have thought the same thing. However, I know now that "A" came for the simple reason that "B" was to learn something from their encounter, and for no other reason, other than perhaps the effect on "A's" family.
“I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as fraud.”
CARL JUNG IN 1919

"The power of accurate observation is often called cynicism by those who don't have it." - George Bernard Shaw

Cree proverb:
Only after the last tree has been cut down, only after the last river has been poisoned, only after the last fish has been caught, only then will you find, that money cannot be eaten.

"Mankind's true moral test, its fundamental test (which lies deeply buried from view) consists of its attitude towards those who are at its mercy - animals."
-Milan Kundera, "The Unbearable Lightness of Being" (1984)
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Could you please give some examples of knee-jerk reactions based on victim mentality that have gotten this world into deep trouble?

Yes, examples please and thanks!
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Uh, Wars... Where someone/one side is out for "revenge" because they felt so "victimised"... (Lotta stuff about wars you can read about if you like.) The euphemistic term that is used is "retaliation".

Hey, nobody heard that All Is One? Oh, yeh, they did, but they don't get it with all the mirrors in this place...

Just a little illusion is all.

Azure'
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