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There are No "Victims"

 
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I agree 100% OP. People need to take responsibility for their actions and choices and stop blaming everyone else for their shortcomings and failures.
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Okay, on one hand where you say there are no victims because of "being accountable" for ourselves, how then do you "assign" Helpers and Assistants to these people who don't remember their role? If they are to be responsible for their own misfortunes, then surely they are responsible for their own fortunes, too!?

This is why this philosophy falls down. It's like we are responsible for our sins, but we need someone else to help us....an outside Savior...in order to evolve. This is just repackaged fundamentalism imho.

How about we are responsible for ALL of it? Only then will we reclaim our own God-given power.

I realize this may just be semantics, but I don't feel we can leave out one or the other side of the WHOLE equation.

S.
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Hey S, some good questions...

First of all, *nobody* is assigning helpers. There are (prior) Agreements in place for them to Help, and they will Help only because of this.

Secondly, I'm not advocating "saviours". Only we can "save" ourselves (from whatever there may be "saving" required, if anything.)

Indeed, we *ARE* completely Responsible for It ALL...

Thanks for reciprocating,
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Not once did I argue against self-defence or the defence of those with whom you have Contracts to do so. The Choice is yours.


How do I know if there's a contract?
That's my entire point... you are judging, and claim to know that which you cannot prove.

Nothing practical or useful ever comes from this new-age nonsense, and when presented with example of contradictions, you become a lawyer and push it back on the accuser. You are providing no example of personal responsibility. More like an example of a Pharisee.
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AC, on Azure's behalf, there is no judgment here, it is a statement. I also have made similar statements if you will read this thread. It comes from a knowing deep within and if you have the eyes to see and ears to hear and an open mind you will see proof all around you. Just look at what the bible and religions have done to us.... where do you see peace and love? As I have said, it is time to learn what works and what doesn't work for us anymore.

However, you are making a judgment, for a person who is apparently of Christian beliefs?? I don't care to do this often, but on occasion I quote the bible.... "judge not lest ye be judged" is how it goes I believe.
“I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as fraud.”
CARL JUNG IN 1919

"The power of accurate observation is often called cynicism by those who don't have it." - George Bernard Shaw

Cree proverb:
Only after the last tree has been cut down, only after the last river has been poisoned, only after the last fish has been caught, only then will you find, that money cannot be eaten.

"Mankind's true moral test, its fundamental test (which lies deeply buried from view) consists of its attitude towards those who are at its mercy - animals."
-Milan Kundera, "The Unbearable Lightness of Being" (1984)
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Could you please give some examples of knee-jerk reactions based on victim mentality that have gotten this world into deep trouble?

Yes, examples please and thanks!


Uh, Wars... Where someone/one side is out for "revenge" because they felt so "victimised"... (Lotta stuff about wars you can read about if you like.) The euphemistic term that is used is "retaliation".

Hey, nobody heard that All Is One? Oh, yeh, they did, but they don't get it with all the mirrors in this place...

Just a little illusion is all.

Azure'
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OK, now I KNOW you're a bot for the oppressor regime!
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Could you please give some examples of knee-jerk reactions based on victim mentality that have gotten this world into deep trouble?

Yes, examples please and thanks!


Uh, Wars... Where someone/one side is out for "revenge" because they felt so "victimised"... (Lotta stuff about wars you can read about if you like.) The euphemistic term that is used is "retaliation".

Hey, nobody heard that All Is One? Oh, yeh, they did, but they don't get it with all the mirrors in this place...

Just a little illusion is all.

Azure'





OK, now I KNOW you're a bot for the oppressor regime!
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"Uh, Wars... Where someone/one side is out for "revenge" because they felt so "victimised"... (Lotta stuff about wars you can read about if you like.) The euphemistic term that is used is "retaliation"."

Retaliation against what? Don't you know that all wars have always been started by the rich who want to plunder the whole world's resources, killing and enslaving masses of innocent people in the process?
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Retaliation against what? Don't you know that all wars have always been started by the rich who want to plunder the whole world's resources, killing and enslaving masses of innocent people in the process?
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Layers of the Onion.

*They* could not get their foot soldiers/government puppets to do their bidding if they (the puppets) were not engaging in the victim/blame game.

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Could you please give some examples of knee-jerk reactions based on victim mentality that have gotten this world into deep trouble?

Yes, examples please and thanks!


Uh, Wars... Where someone/one side is out for "revenge" because they felt so "victimised"... (Lotta stuff about wars you can read about if you like.) The euphemistic term that is used is "retaliation".

Hey, nobody heard that All Is One? Oh, yeh, they did, but they don't get it with all the mirrors in this place...

Just a little illusion is all.

Azure'





OK, now I KNOW you're a bot for the oppressor regime!





"Uh, Wars... Where someone/one side is out for "revenge" because they felt so "victimised"... (Lotta stuff about wars you can read about if you like.) The euphemistic term that is used is "retaliation"."

Retaliation against what? Don't you know that all wars have always been started by the rich who want to plunder the whole world's resources, killing and enslaving masses of innocent people in the process?
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AC, you are forgetting....

If I may point out a prime example, we have had religious wars throughout the history of the world between competing religions, who claim to be "chosen" by the Creator (and I'm not singling out any one religion, because many are guilty of claiming they are favoured by God).

The reality is the Creator doesn't give a damn what religion we are... he only wants us to love and respect each other... as any parent would want his/her children to act.
“I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as fraud.”
CARL JUNG IN 1919

"The power of accurate observation is often called cynicism by those who don't have it." - George Bernard Shaw

Cree proverb:
Only after the last tree has been cut down, only after the last river has been poisoned, only after the last fish has been caught, only then will you find, that money cannot be eaten.

"Mankind's true moral test, its fundamental test (which lies deeply buried from view) consists of its attitude towards those who are at its mercy - animals."
-Milan Kundera, "The Unbearable Lightness of Being" (1984)
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That is totally non-sensical. Putting the cart before the horse, so to speak.

Why don't you take a critical thinking course, OP? Oh, and grab a sense of compassion while you're at it.
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you write all that stuff yourself azure??


Yes. It's what I enjoy most about GLP so I decided to reciprocate.

There are more and more of us that are awakening to this. It's very exciting and fills me with hope.
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hf
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Azure' (OP)

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That is totally non-sensical. Putting the cart before the horse, so to speak.

Why don't you take a critical thinking course, OP? Oh, and grab a sense of compassion while you're at it.
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If you can't see sense then I will not "try to make you"...
Anyways, my coffee is going to get cold.

No Compassion? Nice try.

Coffee time!
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People who aren't ready for this truth will not hear you. I find its not worth debating with people who are still very attached to their ego. The OP is at a higher vibrational level than most and the most important thing is not getting bogged down in the illusion again. There are always those who are ready to draw you back into the ridiculous game.
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while you're jerking him off, what about me?
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You know, being on this planet is sometimes like being amongst an army of robots. Robots that are so programmed that they wouldn't know the Truth if it hit them right in the face (and it is in their faces.)

' same old games going on here as always...

What is encouraging is to see some of the 'bots waking up and growing some 'Truth Sensors' and 'Truth processing units'.

Now it's *really* coffee time...
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People who aren't ready for this truth will not hear you. I find its not worth debating with people who are still very attached to their ego. The OP is at a higher vibrational level than most and the most important thing is not getting bogged down in the illusion again. There are always those who are ready to draw you back into the ridiculous game.


while you're jerking him off, what about me?
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Funny, I smell EGO all over the OP.
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Funny, I smell EGO all over the OP.
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No-one is "better than" or "less than" anyone else. Gosh, this planet is so messed up like that, but it is at least thankfully getting a little better.
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No-one is "better than" or "less than" anyone else. Gosh, this planet is so messed up like that, but it is at least thankfully getting a little better.
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what do you channel??
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No-one is "better than" or "less than" anyone else. Gosh, this planet is so messed up like that, but it is at least thankfully getting a little better.


what do you channel??
 Quoting: whyidontknow


Myself
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no one is perfect, but some are more "perfect" than others - those who are on the side of love, truth, goodness, justice.
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Myself
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what message are you trying to send across
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That is totally non-sensical. Putting the cart before the horse, so to speak.

Why don't you take a critical thinking course, OP? Oh, and grab a sense of compassion while you're at it.
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AC, what is non-sensical about this? Please elaborate. What cart and what horse?

Somehow I don't think a critical thinking course would be a solution in this discussion. Most people don't look inside themselves for the answers to life's questions, they look to others because it's less work that way and perhaps some of us are afraid what we might find. It's not about what everyone else believes, it about what we as individuals believe and practice, that matters.

You constantly bring up compassion. Compassion is a gift, however, by itself, can sometimes not be effective without logic and/or common sense. Compassion will not make an addict become drug free, unless the addict truly wishes to become free. Sometimes it will be enabling.
“I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as fraud.”
CARL JUNG IN 1919

"The power of accurate observation is often called cynicism by those who don't have it." - George Bernard Shaw

Cree proverb:
Only after the last tree has been cut down, only after the last river has been poisoned, only after the last fish has been caught, only then will you find, that money cannot be eaten.

"Mankind's true moral test, its fundamental test (which lies deeply buried from view) consists of its attitude towards those who are at its mercy - animals."
-Milan Kundera, "The Unbearable Lightness of Being" (1984)
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No-one is "better than" or "less than" anyone else. Gosh, this planet is so messed up like that, but it is at least thankfully getting a little better.


what do you channel??
 Quoting: whyidontknow




HBO?
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what message are you trying to send across
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I share whatever is appropriate in the moment.
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I share whatever is appropriate in the moment.
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are you who determines what that is??
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That is totally non-sensical. Putting the cart before the horse, so to speak.

Why don't you take a critical thinking course, OP? Oh, and grab a sense of compassion while you're at it.


AC, what is non-sensical about this? Please elaborate. What cart and what horse?

Somehow I don't think a critical thinking course would be a solution in this discussion. Most people don't look inside themselves for the answers to life's questions, they look to others because it's less work that way and perhaps some of us are afraid what we might find. It's not about what everyone else believes, it about what we as individuals believe and practice, that matters.

You constantly bring up compassion. Compassion is a gift, however, by itself, can sometimes not be effective without logic and/or common sense. Compassion will not make an addict become drug free, unless the addict truly wishes to become free. Sometimes it will be enabling.
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The cause and effect thing, baby. You know, oppressors/plunderers cause the wars and victimize innocents in the process. The innocents didn't cause their suffering, did they?
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You;re a sick twisted fuckhead. I hope you die soon disinfo shill.
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no one is perfect, but some are more "perfect" than others - those who are on the side of love, truth, goodness, justice.
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In the Creator's eyes we are all perfect.... every last one of us. He/She/It looks at us as a parent looks fondly at its child that it has brought into this world.

The Creator hopes we will practice truth, love, honesty and goodness, but loves us notwithstanding. The Creator doesn't get worked up at our games even when they become violent and destructive for the simple reason.... He knows we will always return home to be with Her.
“I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as fraud.”
CARL JUNG IN 1919

"The power of accurate observation is often called cynicism by those who don't have it." - George Bernard Shaw

Cree proverb:
Only after the last tree has been cut down, only after the last river has been poisoned, only after the last fish has been caught, only then will you find, that money cannot be eaten.

"Mankind's true moral test, its fundamental test (which lies deeply buried from view) consists of its attitude towards those who are at its mercy - animals."
-Milan Kundera, "The Unbearable Lightness of Being" (1984)
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I share whatever is appropriate in the moment.



are you who determines what that is??
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Technically, yes.
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no one is perfect, but some are more "perfect" than others - those who are on the side of love, truth, goodness, justice.



In the Creator's eyes we are all perfect.... every last one of us. He/She/It looks at us as a parent looks fondly at its child that it has brought into this world.

The Creator hopes we will practice truth, love, honesty and goodness, but loves us notwithstanding. The Creator doesn't get worked up at our games even when they become violent and destructive for the simple reason.... He knows we will always return home to be with Her.
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Yes

The ISness/Source is Every-thing, including you (no matter how much you may have forgotten this), and Every-thing is part of IT.

All is One.
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Technically, yes.
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how long have you been in that place
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Technically, yes.
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how long have you been in that place
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Oh not that long (for this body), around a year or so.
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