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My 2 User ID: 477574 United States 12/30/2008 12:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | she's a distant Ancestor of my old friend Vickie who used to live on 181st St in the Bronx (before the hood became too filled WITH Hoods!) anyway, yeah, she is. And from what I heard, despite alot of smear campaigns, HPB was quite the pillar of strength and excelled as a Leader of Thought at a time when it was quite unfashionable for a Female to do so. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 581350 United States 12/30/2008 12:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | she's a distant Ancestor of my old friend Vickie Quoting: My 2 477574who used to live on 181st St in the Bronx (before the hood became too filled WITH Hoods!) anyway, yeah, she is. And from what I heard, despite alot of smear campaigns, HPB was quite the pillar of strength and excelled as a Leader of Thought at a time when it was quite unfashionable for a Female to do so. What do you mean leader of thought? I don't really get what she talked about. |
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Xare User ID: 524883 United States 12/30/2008 12:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | She believed that the New Age would be ushered in by the sixth Ayran Root Race - AKA Epoch These are the Descendants of Atlantis. And the holders of the Secret Doctrine. Theosophy is like Esoteric Philosophy. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 581350 United States 12/30/2008 01:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | She talked about how America was a "melting pot" and was the place where the 6th epoch of Man will arise. Quoting: XareShe believed that the New Age would be ushered in by the sixth Ayran Root Race - AKA Epoch These are the Descendants of Atlantis. And the holders of the Secret Doctrine. Theosophy is like Esoteric Philosophy. Interesting, thank you. Is there any record of how she came to know the Secret Doctrine? I know other theosophists like Alice Bailey have very suspect (or maybe made up) sources. |
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Lapis User ID: 539211 United States 12/30/2008 01:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | she is the original new ager. she attempted to merge easern and western philosphies. she was one of the first to bring eastern spirituality to the west and introduced many to the idea of meditation and the like. her successors attempted to groom a young man to be the 'world teacher'(a sort of messianic figure), they taught him and trained him and spent years and years preparing him for his role. then he told them to go fuck themselves. that dealt a harsh blow to their whole trip. his name was j. krishnamurti. check him out sometime. |
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Lapis User ID: 539211 United States 12/30/2008 01:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A high degree Witch who was mentored by a Brahman. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 542107She created the man you know as Adolf Hitler she didn't 'create' him, thats not true. however, the nazi's were certainly influenced by her philosophies, specifically her 'root race' ideas. thats why the nazi's loved the tibetans and sent agents to tibet in an attempt to make an alliance with them. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 582403 United States 12/30/2008 01:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Anonymous Coward 581350 Greetings AC 581350, The history of the noble Ukrainian woman Helena Petrovna von Hahn (whose cognome "Blavatsky" was adopted later) is not very well known to the non-initiated. Summing up, she was initiated in the ocult and ancient Russian myths by her sister Vera while in Tbilisi. Their cousing Sergei became the Russian minister during the reign of Tsar Nicholas II, and she also had access to the Russian courts. Helena travelled throughout Europe and Asia, and had fascinationfor the ocult and magic. She was a master at mesmerizing people with energy tricks and prestigitation. She claimed to do levitation, clairvoyance, out-of-body projection, telepathy, clairaudience and materialization. During her trips she gained access to ancient books and manuscripts and had contacts with different sources of knowledge - a few of them even malign. She initiated the Theosofic Society with Olcott, Beasant, Judge, Leadbeater, Mead, Ouspensky, Coryn, Wright and others in 1987. After having a grandiose beginning and enjoying from great prestige, large funding and rapid expansion, this society suffered several drawbacks caused by internal disputes and struggles - mainly the one caused by the ascension of the truly fantastic Jiddu Krisnamurti (Buddha reincarnation discovered by Leadbeater). When Blavatsky feats were finally exposed as mere tricks by the press the Theosofic Society went into full decline in Europe. Annie Besant took over the American Section after she died in 1891. Even though her history is fascinating, it's much more interesting to study the life and most illuminated teachings of Krisnamurti. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 581350 United States 12/30/2008 02:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A high degree Witch who was mentored by a Brahman. Quoting: LapisShe created the man you know as Adolf Hitler she didn't 'create' him, thats not true. however, the nazi's were certainly influenced by her philosophies, specifically her 'root race' ideas. thats why the nazi's loved the tibetans and sent agents to tibet in an attempt to make an alliance with them. This is good information, and factual as far as I can tell. There are definitely lots of people who tie Blavatsky to Nazi-ism, but the facts that I have seen only show that they were influenced by her. The Nazis were into some pretty occult and obviously evil things, but like everyone their intentions were good. The stories of them travelling to Tibet are true, and there is video footage of this trip. What still confuses me is why did the Nazis believe Tibet was a home of very early man? (I believe Blavatsky held this opinion as well, but I'm not sure. As was mentioned above she believed in Atlantis and a lot of alternative history) Is there empirical evidence for these beliefs? Or were they simply passed down from guru to guru in a case of generational "telephone"? (which would strike me as pretty unreliable) How did Blavatsky corroborate what she learned and taught, or did she feel the need to? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 581350 United States 12/30/2008 02:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm curious to hear what my esoteric friends on GLP think of this woman. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 582403[link to en.wikipedia.org] Greetings AC 581350, The history of the noble Ukrainian woman Helena Petrovna von Hahn (whose cognome "Blavatsky" was adopted later) is not very well known to the non-initiated. Summing up, she was initiated in the ocult and ancient Russian myths by her sister Vera while in Tbilisi. Their cousing Sergei became the Russian minister during the reign of Tsar Nicholas II, and she also had access to the Russian courts. Helena travelled throughout Europe and Asia, and had fascinationfor the ocult and magic. She was a master at mesmerizing people with energy tricks and prestigitation. She claimed to do levitation, clairvoyance, out-of-body projection, telepathy, clairaudience and materialization. During her trips she gained access to ancient books and manuscripts and had contacts with different sources of knowledge - a few of them even malign. She initiated the Theosofic Society with Olcott, Beasant, Judge, Leadbeater, Mead, Ouspensky, Coryn, Wright and others in 1987. After having a grandiose beginning and enjoying from great prestige, large funding and rapid expansion, this society suffered several drawbacks caused by internal disputes and struggles - mainly the one caused by the ascension of the truly fantastic Jiddu Krisnamurti (Buddha reincarnation discovered by Leadbeater). When Blavatsky feats were finally exposed as mere tricks by the press the Theosofic Society went into full decline in Europe. Annie Besant took over the American Section after she died in 1891. Even though her history is fascinating, it's much more interesting to study the life and most illuminated teachings of Krisnamurti. Thanks very much. Where can I find out more about the portion that I have put in bold above? Do you think that because she was exposed as a trickster her writings should be held in lower esteem? That is my instinct. |
Lapis User ID: 539211 United States 12/30/2008 02:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What still confuses me is why did the Nazis believe Tibet was a home of very early man? (I believe Blavatsky held this opinion as well, but I'm not sure. As was mentioned above she believed in Atlantis and a lot of alternative history) Is there empirical evidence for these beliefs? Or were they simply passed down from guru to guru in a case of generational "telephone"? (which would strike me as pretty unreliable) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 581350How did Blavatsky corroborate what she learned and taught, or did she feel the need to? there is no corroboration. she 'recieved' much of these teachings from a channeled entity and her followers then swallowed them whole. the tibetans were alleged to be the direct descendants of one of the three (or was it five? i cant rembmer now) 'root races', along with the aryans. so they wanted to merge the tibetan root race with the aryan root race and make a super race. |
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The Monk User ID: 572710 United States 12/30/2008 02:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What I mean is, I don't understand what she talked about. Philosophy? Religion? Would you consider her an academic or a theorist? Who were her inspirations/sources? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 581350Lot of conflicting and passionate opinions out there on this. She was a Victorian era "Spiritualist" and spent her time writing about occult texts- most of which are complete and utter nonsense. She wrote prolifically about "root races", but injected too much of her imagination into her thinking which later influenced wildly absurd projects like eugenics. |
The Lizard Of Id User ID: 575952 United States 12/30/2008 02:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The female Aleister Crowley & like the peep above said..... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 581350stay far far away..... I'm not afraid. I'm also not going to read 5,000 pages to form an opinion though, so don't worry. heh heh heh well I read Aleister Crowley, but don't tell anybody.......*snarf* It is good to understand the ENEMY! ;D |
The Monk User ID: 572710 United States 12/30/2008 02:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A high degree Witch who was mentored by a Brahman. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 581350She created the man you know as Adolf Hitler she didn't 'create' him, thats not true. however, the nazi's were certainly influenced by her philosophies, specifically her 'root race' ideas. thats why the nazi's loved the tibetans and sent agents to tibet in an attempt to make an alliance with them. This is good information, and factual as far as I can tell. There are definitely lots of people who tie Blavatsky to Nazi-ism, but the facts that I have seen only show that they were influenced by her. The Nazis were into some pretty occult and obviously evil things, but like everyone their intentions were good. The stories of them travelling to Tibet are true, and there is video footage of this trip. What still confuses me is why did the Nazis believe Tibet was a home of very early man? (I believe Blavatsky held this opinion as well, but I'm not sure. As was mentioned above she believed in Atlantis and a lot of alternative history) Is there empirical evidence for these beliefs? Or were they simply passed down from guru to guru in a case of generational "telephone"? (which would strike me as pretty unreliable) How did Blavatsky corroborate what she learned and taught, or did she feel the need to? The Nazis were confused about what "Shamballah" is and thought it was located in Tibet somewhere. The wachowski brothers gave us a hint in the film The Matrix, they called it "Zion" the last human city deep inside the Earth. Read Blavatsky's books to find out what she believed in. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 582403 United States 12/30/2008 02:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Helen? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 563189a Satanist Greetings AC 563189, Well, even though some texts says Helena believed and practiced a few of the black rituals it is clear she was not a full satanist. She believed that sometimes it was necessary to get urgent results using whatever means was available. However, she was "most of the time truly afraid of resorting to them" and did not favor malignant proceedings to good ones. A true satanist would ONLY utilize evil means all the time. Even though you may think this characterizes a bad person, this is not so in her case. The family upbringing of a very sensitive and bright girl among too many Russian tales, myths and magic was the main responsible for this logical outcome. She became traumatized while forced to confront "virtual" forces and realities she could not understand - and swore she would do everything to gain over, to overcome the influence of that magical world. Consider also that General Sciences were NOT advanced at all at those times and the Church task was to control the behavior of the populace - who continued to practice paganism rituals in many counties. May God brighten your path. H.A. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 582403 United States 12/30/2008 02:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm curious to hear what my esoteric friends on GLP think of this woman. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 581350[link to en.wikipedia.org] Greetings AC 581350, The history of the noble Ukrainian woman Helena Petrovna von Hahn (whose cognome "Blavatsky" was adopted later) is not very well known to the non-initiated. Summing up, she was initiated in the ocult and ancient Russian myths by her sister Vera while in Tbilisi. Their cousing Sergei became the Russian minister during the reign of Tsar Nicholas II, and she also had access to the Russian courts. Helena travelled throughout Europe and Asia, and had fascinationfor the ocult and magic. She was a master at mesmerizing people with energy tricks and prestigitation. She claimed to do levitation, clairvoyance, out-of-body projection, telepathy, clairaudience and materialization. During her trips she gained access to ancient books and manuscripts and had contacts with different sources of knowledge - a few of them even malign. She initiated the Theosofic Society with Olcott, Beasant, Judge, Leadbeater, Mead, Ouspensky, Coryn, Wright and others in 1987. After having a grandiose beginning and enjoying from great prestige, large funding and rapid expansion, this society suffered several drawbacks caused by internal disputes and struggles - mainly the one caused by the ascension of the truly fantastic Jiddu Krisnamurti (Buddha reincarnation discovered by Leadbeater). When Blavatsky feats were finally exposed as mere tricks by the press the Theosofic Society went into full decline in Europe. Annie Besant took over the American Section after she died in 1891. Even though her history is fascinating, it's much more interesting to study the life and most illuminated teachings of Krisnamurti. Thanks very much. Where can I find out more about the portion that I have put in bold above? Do you think that because she was exposed as a trickster her writings should be held in lower esteem? That is my instinct. Greetings OP, I have read that in some old books and as I will travel to my country next month, I may have a chance to find them, but I believe the info can be found relatively easy. Her "writings" as you put it are not truly in circulation, and even many parts of of the Secret Doctrine chapters were somehow "interpreted" by her editor. Do not held all she (really) wrote in lower esteem, as she (unfortunately) really HAD contact with some occult forces of this world - elementals among them. Some sources mention she practiced with "magical herbs, infusions and fumes" much like Castañeda and others. As you may know, there is no real spiritual illumination coming from using any other means then your own body. Artificial means like these tend to "clog" your senses and put you mentally/physically defenseless when finally coming in touch with other energy dimensions. This is often a no-win situation for a rookie occult magician where you can be very easily harmed or even dominated (like the evil contact Hitler made with the "underworld"). May God brighten your path. H.A. |
High Apprentice User ID: 582403 United States 12/30/2008 03:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A high degree Witch who was mentored by a Brahman. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 581350She created the man you know as Adolf Hitler she didn't 'create' him, thats not true. however, the nazi's were certainly influenced by her philosophies, specifically her 'root race' ideas. thats why the nazi's loved the tibetans and sent agents to tibet in an attempt to make an alliance with them. This is good information, and factual as far as I can tell. There are definitely lots of people who tie Blavatsky to Nazi-ism, but the facts that I have seen only show that they were influenced by her. The Nazis were into some pretty occult and obviously evil things, but like everyone their intentions were good. The stories of them travelling to Tibet are true, and there is video footage of this trip. What still confuses me is why did the Nazis believe Tibet was a home of very early man? (I believe Blavatsky held this opinion as well, but I'm not sure. As was mentioned above she believed in Atlantis and a lot of alternative history) Is there empirical evidence for these beliefs? Or were they simply passed down from guru to guru in a case of generational "telephone"? (which would strike me as pretty unreliable) How did Blavatsky corroborate what she learned and taught, or did she feel the need to? Greetings Lapis, No, Helena did NOT create Hitler's creeds / behavior / soul or character, but his right-arm Himler fall in total admiration for her when he entered in touch with the Theosofical Society. In special, Himler thaught that her ideas were very convenient to create a strong myth that would lead the Germany people to behave as true conquerors. He was right, as her racial notions greatly helped to foster fanatic hitlerism in the early states.(See Noble prize winners Jacques Bergier and Louis Pauwels in the FANTASTIC "Le Matin des Magiciens" or "The Morning of the Magicians"). May God brighten your path. H.A. Greetings AC 581350, Yes, the Nazis believed Tibet was the home of the early men, as this IS partially true! Ancient ETs landed in several places many milenia ago - but first on the Hymalaias as they are the highest region on Earth. Contact was made, a base was established and left hundreds of years later. High monks tell about a hidden trail among the high peaks that leads to a very long cave that goes down for miles - until it reaches a vast chamber with the ruins of their last city below sea-level (Atlantis?) and the skeletons of enormous ET "Gods" with human-like appearance. My deceased master mentioned that travellers were also shown some of their thousands years old ceramic-metallic "organic-like artifacts" - including a radioactive battery. May God brighten your path. H.A. |
High Apprentice User ID: 582403 United States 12/30/2008 04:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 582403Greetings OP, I have read that in some old books and as I will travel to my country next month, I may have a chance to find them, but I believe the info can be found relatively easy. Her "writings" as you put it are not truly in circulation, and even many parts of of the Secret Doctrine chapters were somehow "interpreted" by her editor. Do not held all she (really) wrote in lower esteem, as she (unfortunately) really HAD contact with some occult forces of this world - elementals among them. Some sources mention she practiced with "magical herbs, infusions and fumes" much like Castañeda and others. As you may know, there is no real spiritual illumination coming from using any other means than your own body. Artificial means like these tend to "clog" your senses and put you mentally/physically defenseless when finally coming in touch with other energy dimensions. This is often a no-win situation for a rookie occult magician where you can be very easily harmed or even dominated (like the evil contact Hitler made with the "underworld"). May God brighten your path. H.A. Greetings OP, I forgot to mention that no reader shall voluntarily try to contact or "channel" elementals without a nearby capable mentor who can buffer some energy long enough for you to escape from their highly powerful, stressful and painful experiences. They can be fatal to weaker spirits. O.G. Krisnamurti (do not confuse with Jiddu Krisnamurti) seems to have had such experiences (without knowing for sure what was it) and almost went nuts. I repeat, do NOT try to invoke something you don't know about. Love with foregiveness, H.A. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 565745 United Kingdom 12/30/2008 05:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have mathematically proven Blavatsky's teachings about the seven planes of consciousness. The seven-fold nature and evolution of consciousness (which is the expression of the seven Sephiroth of Construction spoken of in Kabbalah) is encoded in what I have called in my new book the 'inner Tree of Life.' This is a remarkable geometrical object that acts like the DNA molecule, whose genome sequence determines the growth of the cell and human traits. Briefly, the details of the proof are: There is a mathematical isomorphism between n-gons constructed from the Pythagorean tetractys and the Sephirothic emanations of n overlapping Trees of Life. The (6n+1) points in such a n-gon correspond to the (6n+1) emanations up to Chesed of the nth tree - the first level of consciousness corresponding to that tree. It can be proved that the traditional outer Tree of Life has an implicate geometry (inner Tree of Life) consisting of two identical (but mirror image) sets of seven regular polygons: triangle, square, pentagon, hexagon, octagon, decagon & dodecagon. They are enfolded in one another and encode information about the nature of the ultimate forms of matter and their forces (E8xE8 heterotic superstrings). When constructed from tetractyses, the seven separate polygons have 295 points. This is the number of emanations up to Chesed of the 49th tree mapping the highest subplane of the seventh plane of consciousness - what Theosophists call the adi (or divine) plane. Isomorphism exists between overlapping trees and sets of polygons with their sectors turned into tetractyses only for: 1. the first five polygons, 2. all seven polygons, and 3. for 12 polygons consisting of one set of seven polygons and the largest five polygons in the second set. This means that all levels of reality are mapped by 91 overlapping trees with 550 emanations. They comprise the 49 trees mapping the 49 subplanes spoken about in Theosophical literature and a further 42 trees that map the 42 (=6x7) subplanes of the six higher cosmic planes of consciousness (Nirvana, Samadhi, Kingdom of God) discussed by followers of Blavatsky such as Alice Bailey. What this means is that some of Blavatasky's teachings find mathematical proof from the sacred geometries of world religions like Judaism (Kabbalah: Tree of Life), Hinduism: (Sri Yantra) & Taoism (I Ching table of 64 hexagrams). The proof of this claim is completely rigorous and involves no metaphysical speculation, unlike so many writings on sacred geometry. The Divine has set out all levels of reality in a mathematical way that has now been fully explored and will be revealed in my forthcoming book "The universal nature of sacred geometry and its scientific meaning". You are welcome to visit my website and study my 46 research articles (PDFs) relating sacred geometries to current research in theoretical physics at [link to smphillips.8m.com] |