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I was just watching a video as part of another thread posted by Restart when I heard that word again CAMPS. It is about time somebody REALLY exposed what has been going on overthere. Towards the end of the '48 war with the battles going against the Arabs the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (a Nazi sympathizer) invoked the faithful to flee to Jordan the ensuing melee blocked the forward progress of the Israeli Army prior to the end of the war. These people wound up in Jordan where they adjitated constantly advocating the overthrow of the Jordanian King who then unleashed the Arab Legion on them and drove them out.

Most of these people wound up in Lebanon and Syria in Refugee CAMPS now remember this is the 1950's. Both countries have recieved millions of dollars if not billions from the UN/US/EU countries over all of this time to provide sustinence as well as providing food and medicinal needs. Now mind you this has now been going on for 50 some years. Unless I am sorely mistaken the Refugee Camps in Europe after WWII were open for less than 8 years. These camps have seen 5 GENERATIONS of Palastinians grow up with the mantra hate Israel/reclaim the lands they fled/responsibility for their situation is purely Israels which has no right to exist etc.. If you think that the conditions now represent squallor you should have seen the earlier CAMPS according to the accounts I have seen they were pure hell but these people have been kept like this for GENERATIONS.

The question is why? Why haven't these people been resettled in other Arab countries to take on a semblance of normal life. Why have they been kept in squallorous situations by nations who have accepted perhaps billions in aid on their behalf? Why don't they get out of potential war zones and flee to safety rather than simply remaining as collatteral damage? Why do they support those who simply use them as cannon fodder to advance their causes namely Hamas/Hesbollah/Islamic Jihad etc.. Perhaps some of you can provide the answers to these questions especially those of you who support the terrorist groups like Hamas.
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5a

By this do you mean you can't or that you don't want to or that there is no answer. Because there are answers they just don't suit a certain fact set proclaimed by some of you.
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Arab refugee camps are just breeeding grounds for malcontents used to garner sympathy and harass non Islamic nations.
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Arab refugee camps are just breeeding grounds for malcontents used to garner sympathy and harass non Islamic nations.
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5a

You are partially right Irdoomed. But for the full set of answers let's start out with the first question. Check out the countries where these people wound up Lebanon/Syria/Westbank/. In the 1950's these were relatively poor countries for the most part. Notice that there is not ONE oil rich nation here. In order for these countries to survive and expand they needed an influx of $/British Pounds/Yen/Rubles etc.. The establishment of the CAMPS at first filled an economic necessity. The host nations learned that the UN and wealthy member nations would pay and very well by their standards to relieve the burden that these refugees represented. This was established by precident after the 2nd WW in Europe. It worked well for thses countries they got international currencies with little or no qualifications or accountability for how it was used. The world nations at first assumed that within a span of 10 or so years the impetus to get out of these CAMPS would lead to resettlement. All this time these people were told that they would return to their land and they could count on their Arab bretheren to bring this about and end the suzerainity of Israel which had no right to exist and kept them in theses squalled conditions.
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Hello, I would have thought by now that Free Flow/ Fieldoflight/or Restart to mention a few would have arrived here by now afterall the hypthesis I am venturing here is the antithesis of their threads.
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The second question is why haven't these people been resettled yet? Part of the answer is in my previous post that being the monetary issue which still holds true today but there now is a more compelling reason. Since '48 there have been several other major wars with Israel in each and everyone the Arab nations who outnumbered the Israelis 20 or more to 1 wound up losing. It became clear that the Arabic nations could not win in open warfare especially when the Israelis achieved nuclear capabilities. Thus plan B is put into effect. The new strategy is to keep the CAMPS operative as long as it takes to create a terrorist group who through guerilla warfare tactics could bring the Israelis down. The hate that would be built up no matter how long it took would shatter all reason and provide a brainwashed populace indifferent to being used as the weapon against a superior military force. From their ranks would come the leadership which would be blindly intrusted with their fate even if it meant potential annihalation. Afterall the goal is to get there land back and at the same time do away complettely with the State of Israel that according to them has no right to exist. Any movement which espouses these goals and works to that end no matter how is accepted by the CAMPERS and supported.
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Most of these people wound up in Lebanon and Syria in Refugee CAMPS now remember this is the 1950's. Both countries have recieved millions of dollars if not billions from the UN/US/EU countries over all of this time to provide sustinence as well as providing food and medicinal needs. Now mind you this has now been going on for 50 some years. Unless I am sorely mistaken the Refugee Camps in Europe after WWII were open for less than 8 years. These camps have seen 5 GENERATIONS of Palastinians grow up with the mantra hate Israel/reclaim the lands they fled/responsibility for their situation is purely Israels which has no right to exist etc.. If you think that the conditions now represent squallor you should have seen the earlier CAMPS according to the accounts I have seen they were pure hell but these people have been kept like this for GENERATIONS.
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... the $$$$$ has/is lining the pockets of the Palastinian leadership ...
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...Now mind you this has now been going on for 50 some years. Unless I am sorely mistaken the Refugee Camps in Europe after WWII were open for less than 8 years. These camps have seen 5 GENERATIONS of Palastinians grow up...
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Then a generation is not very long there.

And why haven't those generations of Palestinians been allowed to go back to the land and homes from which they were driven?
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They were warned by the Iseaeli Gov that no harm would come to them if they remained but if they fled they would not necessarily be welcomed back. The sole purpose behind the Grand Mufti's exhortations was to provide a buffer between the retreating Arab forces and lessen the amount of land given to Israel as part of its 48 border. Thus one could say by fleeing those who left were in effect aiding the enemy,
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Most of these people wound up in Lebanon and Syria in Refugee CAMPS now remember this is the 1950's. Both countries have recieved millions of dollars if not billions from the UN/US/EU countries over all of this time to provide sustinence as well as providing food and medicinal needs. Now mind you this has now been going on for 50 some years. Unless I am sorely mistaken the Refugee Camps in Europe after WWII were open for less than 8 years. These camps have seen 5 GENERATIONS of Palastinians grow up with the mantra hate Israel/reclaim the lands they fled/responsibility for their situation is purely Israels which has no right to exist etc.. If you think that the conditions now represent squallor you should have seen the earlier CAMPS according to the accounts I have seen they were pure hell but these people have been kept like this for GENERATIONS.


... the $$$$$ has/is lining the pockets of the Palastinian leadership ...
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 Quoting: GraftedPromise U$ofA 584063

5a

In some instances this is true GP but more to the point these funds and who gets them (national entity) has been much more important. The real kicker here is that these people are being used and they have no real concept of what is happening to them. Who is using them currently Hamas/Hisbolla/Islamic Jihad etc. as well as the countries these CAMPS are in.
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I brought this back for the person on the Israel vs Gaza thread who really needs the info.
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The main question here which I posed was answered unequivocally in an interview on Fox last night which I posted in another thread today concerning a Muslim who converted to Christianity. The interview made it quite clear that the reasons these Refugee Camps still exist today is primarily to provide constant agitation against Israel and a population so filled with HATE that they have perhaps lost touch with reality. They sacrifice their children, their women, their own existence willingly for one concept Israel must be wiped off the map to quote Achmedienehit. This is insanity the press talks about a political settlement. How can there ever be a settlement of this issue while this concept prevails? There can't be one and that is what the Islamic radicals are counting on!
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Hello, I would have thought by now that Free Flow/ Fieldoflight/or Restart to mention a few would have arrived here by now afterall the hypthesis I am venturing here is the antithesis of their threads.
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Good luck with that.
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A thread today deals with the UN Schools and clearly shows the conflict the UN has when it comes to the ME. They clearly are not unbiased by any means. The UN supported Refugee Camps provide them clearly with a bias towards Hammas/Hezbollah/Islamic Jihad etc. since it is UN Funds mainly supporting and being administered in these CAMPS.
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5a

I was just watching a video as part of another thread posted by Restart when I heard that word again CAMPS. It is about time somebody REALLY exposed what has been going on overthere. Towards the end of the '48 war with the battles going against the Arabs the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (a Nazi sympathizer) invoked the faithful to flee to Jordan the ensuing melee blocked the forward progress of the Israeli Army prior to the end of the war. These people wound up in Jordan where they adjitated constantly advocating the overthrow of the Jordanian King who then unleashed the Arab Legion on them and drove them out.

Most of these people wound up in Lebanon and Syria in Refugee CAMPS now remember this is the 1950's. Both countries have recieved millions of dollars if not billions from the UN/US/EU countries over all of this time to provide sustinence as well as providing food and medicinal needs. Now mind you this has now been going on for 50 some years. Unless I am sorely mistaken the Refugee Camps in Europe after WWII were open for less than 8 years. These camps have seen 5 GENERATIONS of Palastinians grow up with the mantra hate Israel/reclaim the lands they fled/responsibility for their situation is purely Israels which has no right to exist etc.. If you think that the conditions now represent squallor you should have seen the earlier CAMPS according to the accounts I have seen they were pure hell but these people have been kept like this for GENERATIONS.

The question is why? Why haven't these people been resettled in other Arab countries to take on a semblance of normal life. Why have they been kept in squallorous situations by nations who have accepted perhaps billions in aid on their behalf? Why don't they get out of potential war zones and flee to safety rather than simply remaining as collatteral damage? Why do they support those who simply use them as cannon fodder to advance their causes namely Hamas/Hesbollah/Islamic Jihad etc.. Perhaps some of you can provide the answers to these questions especially those of you who support the terrorist groups like Hamas.
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Good job ANNONYMOUS - also, it's been largely forgotten that when the borders were being drawn for most of the countries in the region (by the victors - the Arab/muslim world blindly supported Hitler) the Arabs and Muslims were given roughly 98% of the lands of the mideast. Apparently - this will NEVER be enough for them.

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5a

I was just watching a video as part of another thread posted by Restart when I heard that word again CAMPS. It is about time somebody REALLY exposed what has been going on overthere. Towards the end of the '48 war with the battles going against the Arabs the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (a Nazi sympathizer) invoked the faithful to flee to Jordan the ensuing melee blocked the forward progress of the Israeli Army prior to the end of the war. These people wound up in Jordan where they adjitated constantly advocating the overthrow of the Jordanian King who then unleashed the Arab Legion on them and drove them out.

Most of these people wound up in Lebanon and Syria in Refugee CAMPS now remember this is the 1950's. Both countries have recieved millions of dollars if not billions from the UN/US/EU countries over all of this time to provide sustinence as well as providing food and medicinal needs. Now mind you this has now been going on for 50 some years. Unless I am sorely mistaken the Refugee Camps in Europe after WWII were open for less than 8 years. These camps have seen 5 GENERATIONS of Palastinians grow up with the mantra hate Israel/reclaim the lands they fled/responsibility for their situation is purely Israels which has no right to exist etc.. If you think that the conditions now represent squallor you should have seen the earlier CAMPS according to the accounts I have seen they were pure hell but these people have been kept like this for GENERATIONS.

The question is why? Why haven't these people been resettled in other Arab countries to take on a semblance of normal life. Why have they been kept in squallorous situations by nations who have accepted perhaps billions in aid on their behalf? Why don't they get out of potential war zones and flee to safety rather than simply remaining as collatteral damage? Why do they support those who simply use them as cannon fodder to advance their causes namely Hamas/Hesbollah/Islamic Jihad etc.. Perhaps some of you can provide the answers to these questions especially those of you who support the terrorist groups like Hamas.
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I asked a similar question, and found at least a partial answer on islamonline.net

The quest asked: Is it permissible for the Palestinian youth to emigrate from Palestine in a bid to find an easy way to earn their living? Is such an act religiously acceptable viewing the hard living conditions in Palestine?

The Answer: (sorry for the long cut and paste)
All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

Dear questioner, thanks for your interesting question and we implore Allah to grant all oppressed Muslims throughout the world an outstanding victory over the enemies of Islam in every age and place.

In the first place, we stress that it is not permissible for the Palestinians to emigrate from their homeland, as it is known nowadays that Palestinians are in the midst of a real war with the enemy. Emigration in this case is no more than turning one’s back on the enemy, which is forbidden. The Palestinians should endure the test, outdo others in endurance, and the Muslim Ummah should lend a real helping hand to their Muslim brothers and sisters in Palestine.

Responding to the question, Sheikh Hamid Al-Bitawi, head of the Palestinian Scholars’ League, Judge in Shari`ah courts, and the Khatib of Al-Aqsa Mosque, states the following:

"Viewing the current situation, it is not permissible for the Palestinian youth to leave Palestine in order to be better able to earn a living. Emigrating from one’s country, in view of the current state of affairs in Palestine, is a prohibited act. Referring to this, Allah Almighty says, “O ye who believe, When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them.” (Al-Anfal: 15)

He Almighty also says, “O ye who believe! When ye meet an army, hold firm and think of Allah much, that ye may be successful.” (Al-Anfal: 45)

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is reported to have stated that turning one’s back to the enemy is one of the seven heinous sins.

I would like here to refer to the fact that Israel and its allies try to encourage the young men of Palestine to leave their homeland under the pretext that those youth will find more jobs and better living conditions when they emigrate. I really advise the Palestinians to be on their guard against such vicious Israeli schemes that are backed by the States and its allies.

Having said this, I encourage the Palestinians to endure patiently and resist the enemy courageously. They are not allowed to leave their country, but rather they should compel the enemy to leave Palestine. Here, it is worth mentioning that one of the blessings and positive results of the Palestinian intifada is that it reduces the immigration of Jews to Palestine. Not only that, but it leads to counter-migration (i.e. the Jews living in Palestine are forced to emigrate abroad).

In this context, I call upon all Arabs and Muslims, the rulers and the ruled alike, to back the Palestinian people so as to enable them to remain rock-solid in facing the enemy and in order not to encourage Muslim youth whose faith is weak to leave Palestine. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), is reported to have said: "The one who equips the fighters is as if he contributed in the battlefield."

In conclusion, I would like to refer to the fact that Jews in all parts of the world financially back Israel. I wonder why Muslims are unable to back their Palestinian brothers and sisters who defend Al-Aqsa Mosque, Al-Quds, Palestine, as well as Muslims and Arabs’ dignity!?"


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The question is why? Why haven't these people been resettled in other Arab countries to take on a semblance of normal life. Why have they been kept in squallorous situations by nations who have accepted perhaps billions in aid on their behalf? Why don't they get out of potential war zones and flee to safety rather than simply remaining as collatteral damage? Why do they support those who simply use them as cannon fodder to advance their causes namely Hamas/Hesbollah/Islamic Jihad etc.. Perhaps some of you can provide the answers to these questions especially those of you who support the terrorist groups like Hamas.
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Short answer to paraphrase my previous post....

The religious leaders say it is prohibited by Allah
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Thanks GOG I have been following your points on the other thread today as well. Good point you brought up here. Although I mentioned the tieup between the Grand Mufti and the Nazi's I completely overlooked the fact that the majority of the ME was controlled by Adolph until the Allies kicked their ass. This begs the question then who really won WWII as relates to the ME?
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The question is why? Why haven't these people been resettled in other Arab countries to take on a semblance of normal life. Why have they been kept in squallorous situations by nations who have accepted perhaps billions in aid on their behalf? Why don't they get out of potential war zones and flee to safety rather than simply remaining as collatteral damage? Why do they support those who simply use them as cannon fodder to advance their causes namely Hamas/Hesbollah/Islamic Jihad etc.. Perhaps some of you can provide the answers to these questions especially those of you who support the terrorist groups like Hamas.


Short answer to paraphrase my previous post....

The religious leaders say it is prohibited by Allah
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5a

I find this curiously interesting since Allah has not been around for quite a while. It appears that the religious leaders prefer to interpret the Prophet to suit their ends rather than the needs of their people. Assuming this is true then they are hand and glove with the terrorists no wonder the Mosques are used as repositories for weapons etc..
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5a

Thanks d.
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