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The Orthodox Jews believe the Old Testament up to Moses is called the Torah. So does this mean all the rest of the Old Testament are add ons? If this be a true fact then prove Abraham really existed. If it cannot be proven then the whole line of Israelites is a made up story. From this story came the tale of God's chosen people. Then the final part the State of Israel which is God's Homeland for Jews. The Orthodox Jews tell they are not to have a Homeland they are exile by the God of the Old Testament still. This concludes that the rest of the Bible is made up by scribes who created the conquests, Inquistions, Zionism and etc. until this day.
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Prove YOU really exist. You can't. Your argument is crap.

Abraham exists in the language of deeply rooted and meaningful symbol and simbiance with the signs in the stars. "Abraham" and his story contains code, geometry, and other sacred things that the profane will never grasp, therefore they are told that he was just some guy from Ur who moved and started a family at the behest of some angry sky god.

You, in your unfathomable idocy, are condescended to and are made to believe it's a literal, historical story. Watching you sit there and argue that it isn't true is like watching five year olds aruge that Santa's Reindeer cannot fly! (Which of course just reinforces the foregone conclusion that you are an idiot.)

We all understand quite well that you rebel against your spiritual, pure nature and want to roll in the dirt and filth of humanity. In order to feel good about this, you feel you must discredit the Bible and Gods plan for you.

This, also, is not true. Stop wasting so much energy hating the Bible and God and just embrace your real lord and Master. Be honest with yourself and others. Be the pig that you are.

Enjoy.
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Did Abraham exist?

Israel today;
God's Covenant with Abraham fulfilled.

Genesis 12

"Now the Lord had said to Abram (Abraham): Get out of your
country, from your family and from your father's house, to
a land that I will show you.

"To your descendants I will give this land."

Exodus 6

And God spoke to Moses;

"Then you shall know that I am the LORD your God who brings you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians. And I will bring you into the land which I swore to give to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; and I will give it to you as a heritage: I am the LORD.'"

Psalms 105

He is the LORD our God;
His judgments are in all the earth.
He remembers His covenant forever,
The word which He commanded, for a thousand generations,
The covenant which He made with Abraham,
And His oath to Isaac,
And confirmed it to Jacob for a statute,
To Israel as an everlasting covenant,
Saying, "To you I will give the land of Canaan
As the allotment of your inheritance,"
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Only a fool believes he has a master.

Master thy self, for it is the only truth.

Still need a God to direct your life? Grow up child, look inside and become a man.

Childlike minds need to believe they are not in control in order to explain their in competencies. Embrace yourself and let go of your fears. Ancient allegories will not free your heart, mind, and spirit.

True, complete freedom can only exist in the hearts of those who know no master but themselves.


Prove YOU really exist. You can't. Your argument is crap.

Abraham exists in the language of deeply rooted and meaningful symbol and simbiance with the signs in the stars. "Abraham" and his story contains code, geometry, and other sacred things that the profane will never grasp, therefore they are told that he was just some guy from Ur who moved and started a family at the behest of some angry sky god.

You, in your unfathomable idocy, are condescended to and are made to believe it's a literal, historical story. Watching you sit there and argue that it isn't true is like watching five year olds aruge that Santa's Reindeer cannot fly! (Which of course just reinforces the foregone conclusion that you are an idiot.)

We all understand quite well that you rebel against your spiritual, pure nature and want to roll in the dirt and filth of humanity. In order to feel good about this, you feel you must discredit the Bible and Gods plan for you.

This, also, is not true. Stop wasting so much energy hating the Bible and God and just embrace your real lord and Master. Be honest with yourself and others. Be the pig that you are.

Enjoy.
 Quoting: Greg_B.
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Prove that he didn't.
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Who wrote the Bible?
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Jews don't have to prove anything at all.
You are just another antisemite looking for trouble.
Go and live in Gaza with the rest of your Hamas buddies.
See how you like that.
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For what purpose?

It would not mean a thing to those always contending. Why not contend with some other book or some other abstract thing? Why Abraham?

What is proof?

What is evidence?

Who is the only one who has the proof?

Where are the people who said YES to the Living Torah? Including Abraham? They are around the throne in the heavens of the one in whom they trusted in. Also, those alive in this body of flesh will join them one day. Because they say YES to the Living Word. Not the witness of written words. The Living One, to experience him not just know about him.

No one else will be there.

Ignorance will not change what is reality.

But that is why the one Abraham now is before proclaimed that all are in darkness and are 'blind' and cannot see because they will not say YES to him. The same one Abraham said yes to and it was counted to him as righteousness. The same one any who are called can say yes to and have the same.

In reality, Torah = Every Word of YAH the heavenly father, and whose word became Yahushua, and the one who created all things, and is the Light of ALL men. Written Torah is like a picture or a copy of the real thing. The Real ONE is made of Torah, it is his Heart. Do you only see the written copy or the real one?

All are dwelling in the Light of YAH but what do they do? Evil or good, obey or not the one in whom they are being? All shall be revealed one day. He is nearer than you think. Would that all would have their names, their being, written into the Light within the Light, in the Wheel in the middle of the Wheel, in the Torah in the Torah, called the salvation of YAH, Yahushua. He is the Living Book of Life.
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Of course Abraham existed, he used to have a beard and a top hat and got shot by James Wilkes Booth.
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I had tea and crumpets with him Saturday in Southhamton, in a nice little place ..
Said he was SICK AND TIRED OF HIS CHILDREN ACTING LIKE FIRST RATE SHITHEADS.
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I had tea and crumpets with him Saturday in Southhampton, in a nice little place ..
Said he was SICK AND TIRED OF HIS CHILDREN ACTING LIKE FIRST RATE SHITHEADS.
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The burden of proof is always, ALWAYS, on the believer, not the doubter.
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Name calling does not give the answer, who wrote the Bible?
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Prove that he didn't.
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Excuse me! Abraham Lincoln did to exist. Obama is using his bible to be sworn in on. Don't you people watch the news?
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The Orthodox Jews believe the Old Testament up to Moses is called the Torah. So does this mean all the rest of the Old Testament are add ons? If this be a true fact then prove Abraham really existed. If it cannot be proven then the whole line of Israelites is a made up story. From this story came the tale of God's chosen people. Then the final part the State of Israel which is God's Homeland for Jews. The Orthodox Jews tell they are not to have a Homeland they are exile by the God of the Old Testament still. This concludes that the rest of the Bible is made up by scribes who created the conquests, Inquistions, Zionism and etc. until this day.
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Prove he didnt.

Also...


Prove David existed (Jewish Bible).

Or Prove Mohamed existed (Islam).


Why just persecute the christians?
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The burden of proof is always, ALWAYS, on the believer, not the doubter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 332382

The believer cannot give proof that only ONE can give. Evidence and lots of it.

Only seen from the perspective of the Living Word, the same one Abraham believed in for righteousness.

Abraham is one example.
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Jews don't have to prove anything at all.
You are just another antisemite looking for trouble.
Go and live in Gaza with the rest of your Hamas buddies.
See how you like that.
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"To your descendants I will give this land. INCLUDING ARABS
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Much of the Bible has archeological proof, but I don't believe I have seen any for Abraham yet.
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"To your descendants I will give this land. INCLUDING ARABS
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As the great warrior poet Peter Griffin once said, if I put a jew and arab next to each other I can't tell a difference.
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Much of the Bible has archeological proof, but I don't believe I have seen any for Abraham yet.
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Proof of what?
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Huh? There is not geometry in the story of Abraham. Signs in the stars? Why not just throw in the age of Aquarius for good measure and your symbolism would be complete.

The story of Abraham made no sense to me even as a child when I was in religious school. I guess the moral of the story is that father - son relationships were just as dysfunctional 3,000 years ago as they are today. I would have put a cap in Abraham's arse if he tried to pull that crap with me. "Hey dad, as long as we are up on this mountain and you are OK with one of us getting sacrificed, guess what - it is going to be you. G-d told you to do what? If he told you to jump off a bridge would you do it?" And these are the hero's of our world's religions? A son killing psychopath, and a pansy who would have let himself get killed? No wonder the world is effed up.



Prove YOU really exist. You can't. Your argument is crap.

Abraham exists in the language of deeply rooted and meaningful symbol and simbiance with the signs in the stars. "Abraham" and his story contains code, geometry, and other sacred things that the profane will never grasp, therefore they are told that he was just some guy from Ur who moved and started a family at the behest of some angry sky god.

You, in your unfathomable idocy, are condescended to and are made to believe it's a literal, historical story. Watching you sit there and argue that it isn't true is like watching five year olds aruge that Santa's Reindeer cannot fly! (Which of course just reinforces the foregone conclusion that you are an idiot.)

We all understand quite well that you rebel against your spiritual, pure nature and want to roll in the dirt and filth of humanity. In order to feel good about this, you feel you must discredit the Bible and Gods plan for you.

This, also, is not true. Stop wasting so much energy hating the Bible and God and just embrace your real lord and Master. Be honest with yourself and others. Be the pig that you are.

Enjoy.
 Quoting: Greg_B.
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Name calling does not give the answer, who wrote the Bible?
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Ezra and his scribes put together a bible from Babylonian and Egyptian historical records around 600 BC to help unify the people on their return to Jerusalem from exile.
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Living proof is all over. The Arabs.
Descended from Abraham and Hagar, numberless as
the sands of the seashore, fists raised against
all others at all times.

They are the embodiment of the angel's words
to Canaanite, (negro) Hagar after she was cast out of the tent of Abraham and Sarah, about her son Ishmael.
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If this be a true fact then prove Abraham really existed.
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the calendar


The God returns to the island every 19 years. The Greeks who use the 19 year system are not cheated of the truth.-- Diodorus Siculus, written in the year of Abraham 1968
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If this be a true fact then prove Abraham really existed.
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the calendar


The God returns to the island every 19 years. The Greeks who use the 19 year system are not cheated of the truth.-- Diodorus Siculus, written in the year of Abraham 1968
 Quoting: Sugarelf


which corresponds to the year 48 BC or over 2000 years ago
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Greetings:

IF .. You Are Referring To "Abraham" Of The Termed: "Bible" ...

... Know That You Will Not Find This ... Not In The Pure & Unadulterated Form !!

The Individual In Question Was/Is ... A Wealthy S(h)umerian Merchant ... (Regularly Dressed In Green Robe/Clothing With Real GOLD Threads !!) ... Who Was Named/Known As "Abram" ... NOT ... "Abraham" !!

In His Dealing With Others ... One In Particular ... A Very Wealthy ... Very Rich Sultan ... For Whom He Regularly Brought Much Needed Goods & Supplies ... On The Outskirts ...

... This Sultan Wined & Dined Abram ... With The Finest Of The Finest ... In His Tents !!

Of One Instance Of Abram Calling Upon Him ... He Was Treated Royaly ... Sitting On Satin Pillows ... Of Which Entertainment Was Provided ... Temple Dancers ... That Is ... Young Women Of What You Would Call ... His "Harem" ... Danced For The Sultan & Abram !!

Abram Saw One Young Woman In Particular That ... Caught His Eye ... Of The Many Veiled Dance ... That The Woman Performed !!

The Sultan Then After The Dance Was Over With ... Asked Abram ... How He Liked The Dance ... (Of Which He Liked This Very Much !!)

The Sultan Was Watching Abram Throughout The Dancing ... & Noticed That He Was Watching A Certain Woman ...

The Sultan Said With An Ornery Smile ... Is There Any Of The Dancers That You Like ?? ... Of Which Abram Was Rather Embarassed At The Question !!

Come Now The Sultan Said ... I Saw That You Had Your Eyes On One Particular Dancer !! ... She Is Yours !!

Abram Was Rather Taken In Surprise !! ... She's Mine ??? ... Yes !! ... You Are My Friend !! ... & You Have Supplied Me & Given Me Many Things ... Let Me Give Her To You ... As A Sign Of Our Friendship !!

I ... I Don't Know What To Say ... Said Abram !! ... Say Yes & Thank You !! ... The Sultan Laughed !! ... (Stuttering) ... Yes !! ... Thank You !!... The Sultan Laughed Some More & His Friend Being ... "Put On The Spot" !!

The Young Woman Dancer ... That He Found Attractive ... Was Named Sari (Sair Ree) ... Of Which Became His Mate/Wife !!

So Is An Abbreviated Story ... Of How Abram ("Abraham") The Wealthy S(h)umerian Merchant ... Met His Wife ... Sari ("Sara") !!

**Much Later ... Abram Would Be Called Upon ... By Lord Anu ... The Head Of The Council Of Worlds/Association Of Worlds ... To Perform Various Duties ... Of Which ... This Story Is The True Telling ... Of The Destruction Of The Cities Of Sodom & Gomorrah !!

Farewell For Now !!

ST In BG

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