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Robbery suspect shot, killed in East Atlanta Potential victim ‘got the jump on him,’ fires 5 or 6 times

 
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Robbery suspect shot, killed in East Atlanta Potential victim ‘got the jump on him,’ fires 5 or 6 times
Updated: 3:37 p.m. January 15, 2009

By MIKE MORRIS, TIM EBERLY

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Thursday, January 15, 2009

A robbery suspect was shot and killed by his intended victim outside an East Atlanta Village bar late Wednesday, Atlanta police said Thursday.

Atlanta police identified the slain man as Jamarcus Usher, 29, of the Decatur area.

Police do not believe the shooting has any connection to the recent high-profile killing at a bar on Memorial Drive. The suspected robber carried a Colt .40-caliber handgun, while the gun that killed bar worker John Henderson was a 9mm, Atlanta police Detective Michael Willis said.

The killing Wednesday comes a week after Henderson’s murder in another popular hangout about two miles away, Standard Food & Spirits, sparked an outpouring of community support and galvanized grassroots efforts to improve public safety by some who say the city is becoming more dangerous.

Willis declined to name the man and woman police said were the intended robbery victims. The man who opened fire in self defense is a 28-year-old who works in the airline industry and lives in a northern suburb of Atlanta, possibly Cobb County, Willis said.

The woman he was with — they have been dating for a couple of months — is around 40 years old and lives in the Marietta area, Willis said.

Wednesday night, the couple made their way to the popular East Atlanta Village, known for its trendy bars and eateries, because they have been taking swing-dancing lessons, Willis said.

Their dancing instructor told them that one of the East Atlanta bars, Graveyard Tavern, had “big band nights,” Willis said.

“So they came down here to dance,” Willis said.

When they left the bar around 11:15 p.m., the man gave his date the keys to his Ford Ranger pickup truck so she could drive. They walked to the truck, parked in an Ace Hardware lot across a side street on the same side of Glenwood Avenue.

Inside the vehicle, the woman was adjusting the driver’s seat and mirrors when the man looked over his shoulder and saw Usher standing at his passenger window, Willis said.

Believing the man was going to beg for money, the passenger rolled down his window a few inches, Willis said. But he had a strange feeling about the man, so he grabbed his gun from the glove box and put it on his lap, Willis said.

He asked the stranger what he wanted, and noticed the man was reaching for his waistband or pockets, the detective said. Instinctively, the passenger shoved open his door, knocking the suspected robber back a few feet, Willis said. The woman started screaming.

The man got out of the truck and the suspected robber raised a weapon at him, Willis said. “When he saw that, he just started shooting,” the detective said.

The man shot the suspected robber five or six times, in the stomach and chest, Willis said. The robber did not fire any shots.

“He just got the jump on him,” Willis said of the victim. “He told me he fired until the guy was no longer a threat to him.”

Willis said the man’s accuracy was impressive. In an interview later, the man told Willis that his brother used to shoot firearms competitively and taught him to shoot.

As one could expect, the shooting left the man and his companion visibly shaken.

“He actually said, ‘I’m surprised I haven’t thrown up yet,’ ” Willis said. “He was that upset.”

Willis said he did not know much about the suspected robber. A criminal background check did not reveal any recent arrests by Atlanta police, but he might have a criminal history in DeKalb County.

-Staff writer Chandler Brown contributed to this article.

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Good on him!

Certainly saved his ass, and the girl he was with.

I need to get myself over to USA, if I tried that shit in England (even with fists) I'd be in trouble for defending myself.

Fuck I hate this country.
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Wow. seems like these stories are on the rise.
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Good on him!

Certainly saved his ass, and the girl he was with.

I need to get myself over to USA, if I tried that shit in England (even with fists) I'd be in trouble for defending myself.

Fuck I hate this country.
 Quoting: The Nine Inch Ninja


Each case if different, but there's a damned good reason why claiming the use of force (deadly or otherwise) as "self-defense" is often a very tricky thing to accomplish in a court.

Most often because what passes for "self-defense" in some minds is more objectively called "acting like a scared and aggressive turd" by others.

As the story is told in this case at least the dude actually waited until the attacker drew his weapon.... and so has some legitimate claim to killing in self-defense, or at least in using deadly force.
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People need to stand up to these scumbags. Unfortunately the bad guy was killed in this instance but he knew the risks.
"The only thing nessicary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
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People need to stand up to these scumbags. Unfortunately the bad guy was killed in this instance but he knew the risks.
"The only thing nessicary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
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If the bad guy draws a gun then he deserved what he got. Better to be tried by twelve than carried by six.
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Wow. seems like these stories are on the rise.
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Which is a GOOD thing considering the agenda to ban guns!

I LOVE stories of self defense and victory!
anything after 'but' is bullshit!

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walking up to a victimes car window is the first thing criminals alwasy do...asking for money is the second thing criminals do..shooting the victims, is the next thing criminals do..or car jacking the victims then killing them .........................these are facts .
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Good on him!

Certainly saved his ass, and the girl he was with.

I need to get myself over to USA, if I tried that shit in England (even with fists) I'd be in trouble for defending myself.

Fuck I hate this country.
 Quoting: The Nine Inch Ninja


get your ass on over here! we have a bunch of half wit libs we need to ship out. whatever help you need you will find here on GLP, especially when it comes time to purchase your first firearm.

we may all go down as slaves in the end, but we are going to fight like men first, join us.
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People need to stand up to these scumbags. Unfortunately the bad guy was killed in this instance but he knew the risks.
"The only thing nessicary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"


If the bad guy draws a gun then he deserved what he got. Better to be tried by twelve than carried by six.
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Ain't that the truth!! If you have committed yourself to take things that aren't yours, you assume full responsibility and shouldn't complain when things go wrong. And yes, better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
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Good on him!

Certainly saved his ass, and the girl he was with.

I need to get myself over to USA, if I tried that shit in England (even with fists) I'd be in trouble for defending myself.

Fuck I hate this country.
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We'd gladly trade you for Nancy Pelosi or Barney Frank!!
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Good on him!

Certainly saved his ass, and the girl he was with.

I need to get myself over to USA, if I tried that shit in England (even with fists) I'd be in trouble for defending myself.

Fuck I hate this country.
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come on over any time mate...

Upstate NY is beautiful
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People need to stand up to these scumbags. Unfortunately the bad guy was killed in this instance but he knew the risks.
"The only thing nessicary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"


If the bad guy draws a gun then he deserved what he got. Better to be tried by twelve than carried by six.


Ain't that the truth!! If you have committed yourself to take things that aren't yours, you assume full responsibility and shouldn't complain when things go wrong. And yes, better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
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+1
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if everybody carried a pistol and was TRAINED how to use it bad guys would be far and few between
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Wow. seems like these stories are on the rise.
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Yep.

Florida kicking ass, now moving up to Georgia kicking ass. It's about fucking time. Hell yeah.
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if everybody carried a pistol and was TRAINED how to use it bad guys would be far and few between
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dats a fact jack!

at the knob creek machine gun shoot, everyone is packing some serious shit

and it is the most polite place i have ever been too
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I`m sure the gentleman was simply asking for a ride to Washington to witness an historical event; the Inauguration of the United States first African-American President. He was probably a local community activist that had diligently campained for Mr. Obama and his invitation to the Inagural Gala had mysteriously and suspiciously failed to arrive at his home. The shooter is described as a "disgruntled McCain supporter" who was not able accept "Hope and Change",and had been despondent upon hearing the MLK holiday would immediatly follow the Innauguration. Or is it the other way around. I don`t know, they all look alike to me.
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Good on him!

Certainly saved his ass, and the girl he was with.

I need to get myself over to USA, if I tried that shit in England (even with fists) I'd be in trouble for defending myself.

Fuck I hate this country.


get your ass on over here! we have a bunch of half wit libs we need to ship out. whatever help you need you will find here on GLP, especially when it comes time to purchase your first firearm.

we may all go down as slaves in the end, but we are going to fight like men first, join us.
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Yup, needs me a side-arm. Only thing I can get over here is a shot-gun. AND it'll only hold 3 cartridges!!

If I had the pennies I'd be over like a shot. Englands done for, not worth fighting for now (plus it'll take years before it kicks off, and I need excitement and doom now, RIGHT FUCKING NOW GODDAMNIT!)

In fact, fuck it, I'll sell my car an buy myself a ticket.

Brace yourself, The Nine Inch Ninja is on the way. Roll me a doobie an put the beer in the fridge.
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

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Brace yourself, The Nine Inch Ninja is on the way. Roll me a doobie an put the beer in the fridge.
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That would make you a wanted criminal in the U.S.
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Brace yourself, The Nine Inch Ninja is on the way. Roll me a doobie an put the beer in the fridge.


That would make you a wanted criminal in the U.S.
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Aaahhhh, just like home!
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pot/alcohol and guns don't mix too well, cept in the hood

feel free to do them all, just not at the same time ;)

come on over, go to a gun show and buy a gun, you won't even have to show a drivers license , although i don't know if you can legally have one until you are a citizen

if you do get serious about it i will do the research for you
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

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Upstate NY is beautiful
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I used to work for holiday firm, always wanted to go there. And the females love the English accent (Well in Orlando they did)
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

If you're going to be crazy, you have to get paid for it or else you're going to be locked up.

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pot/alcohol and guns don't mix too well, cept in the hood

feel free to do them all, just not at the same time ;)

come on over, go to a gun show and buy a gun, you won't even have to show a drivers license , although i don't know if you can legally have one until you are a citizen

if you do get serious about it i will do the research for you
 Quoting: malu


Cool, I though all those Gun Shows had been banned?!?

Only want a Glock 10, .357 and a decent assault rifle.

See, now I'm thinking about how quickly I can get some $$$ an get outta here. It's not gonna be easy to get a job tho is it?!?
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

If you're going to be crazy, you have to get paid for it or else you're going to be locked up.

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pot/alcohol and guns don't mix too well, cept in the hood

feel free to do them all, just not at the same time ;)

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Wisdom.

i dunno about anything about the 'hood, but I do know most of drinkin' & shootin' "incidents" that have occurred around my place involved small town/rural people - and there's been far too many. Sad.

Anyway, like malu sez the combination of drugs, booze, and guns is never a good one. Maybe numchucks or throwing stars are ok but I don't really know.
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Maybe numchucks or throwing stars are ok but I don't really know.
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Nunchucks, Beer & Blunts certainly dont mix well (so the large lump on my cranium tells me) I dont actually remember though...
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

If you're going to be crazy, you have to get paid for it or else you're going to be locked up.

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We need to pump these stories....let the criminals die, plug them 'til they're dead!
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Beautiful.
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pot/alcohol and guns don't mix too well, cept in the hood

feel free to do them all, just not at the same time ;)

come on over, go to a gun show and buy a gun, you won't even have to show a drivers license , although i don't know if you can legally have one until you are a citizen

if you do get serious about it i will do the research for you


Cool, I though all those Gun Shows had been banned?!?

Only want a Glock 10, .357 and a decent assault rifle.

See, now I'm thinking about how quickly I can get some $$$ an get outta here. It's not gonna be easy to get a job tho is it?!?
 Quoting: The Nine Inch Ninja


oh hell no, they ban gun shows and it will be the shot heard round the world. we will help you with your gun choices when you get here, i have been actively shooting for 42 years, i am 47 ;)

i am extremely proficient with nunchuks, 10 years hard core training, and i will use a pistol,, lol

i will be at a gun show next month, they are fricking awesome!
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

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I really don't like weapons like flails or numchuks or other 'flexible' weapons. It is an issue of control.. after delivering a strike... the weapon is essentially useless for close to a second and a half... and is just as dangerous to the user as it just was to the target.

That being said, such flexible weapons have great speed, power, and distance.

To each his own, I suppose.
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