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I'm a novice at best, but I have 2 Apple Tree seedlings growing in my kitchen window!

I took the seeds from some organic apples I purchased a while back. I really didn't think they would grow but to my surprise they have sprouted!
I have no idea whether they will produce fruit when mature.

I got so excited when I saw my little sprouts, that I deseeded all of my fruits in hopes to plant their seeds as well.

I know there are several green-thumbs around here that can give me great advice about growing my own food.

I would be honored to hear from the experts around here.

Cheers!
EvE
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If I give you a bouquet of flowers, will you reply? hf
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Sure they will grow and produce fruit!

Although, prepare to wait. Trees are very slow growers and it will take sometime to produce fruit. Start composting all that you can and use the black gold as a fertilizer...
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Sure they will grow and produce fruit!

Although, prepare to wait. Trees are very slow growers and it will take sometime to produce fruit. Start composting all that you can and use the black gold as a fertilizer...
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really...they will grow fruit!!! YEA!
I've heard so many people say that seeds from grocery store bought fruits are tainted or sterile.
I've kinda been composting- that is I've been dumping all of my organic leftovers in a chosen spot in the backyard. I guess I should look into doing it properly.

I let my seeds dry out before I planted them. I seem to have a memory of hearing that is how you are supposed to do it, but I can't recall where I heard that information.

This is the first venture I've made into growing my own food, so I haven't really looked into the process yet. I am ready to educated myself on farming though, and thought my favorite forum- GLP, is a great place to start.
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Never heard of store bought fruit having sterile seeds, the fact that the seeds did germinate and have sprouted can only mean one thing...you have a baby tree! and if indeed it is a seed from an apple, your baby tree will one day produce fruit.
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You'll need another variety to have nice crops. Some apples won't produce at all without a cross pollinator, but even if they do, it'll be a much larger and nicer crop with a cross pollinator. Just run a search on apple pollination or apple pollination chart.Congrats and good luck!
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do a bit of looking into the "male and female" of fruit trees. In order for a tree to "make fruit", there must be a mix so they can pollinate.

here's a really good article:
[link to cecalaveras.ucdavis.edu]

and this one:
[link to www.helium.com]

good luck! :-)
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only certain types of fruit(apple) trees need both sexes to produce fruit, the same applies to some cherry trees but you are correct in your statement
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Graft them onto something that is hearty and thriving. We took a couple of seedlings and grafted them with success 3 years ago. They are so healthy looking.

The only reason we grafted was because we could not get fruit from seedlings until someone told us to graft them.

Give it a try if you want, if not good luck and I hope you get alot of apples.

Peace
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You'll need another variety to have nice crops. Some apples won't produce at all without a cross pollinator, but even if they do, it'll be a much larger and nicer crop with a cross pollinator. Just run a search on apple pollination or apple pollination chart.Congrats and good luck!
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The apples you get from those trees will be practically useless. They will be small, hard & sour (inedible). I forget what they use for root stock but eh -you're better off getting a tree from a grower. And you do need multiple trees for them to bear fruit.
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something to think about here...


I have purchased a few apple trees for around $20 each that were 6-8 foot tall already and considering the slow growing nature of a tree, lets say 1 foot per year, you have a 6 year head start...
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You'll need another variety to have nice crops. Some apples won't produce at all without a cross pollinator, but even if they do, it'll be a much larger and nicer crop with a cross pollinator. Just run a search on apple pollination or apple pollination chart.Congrats and good luck!

The apples you get from those trees will be practically useless. They will be small, hard & sour (inedible). I forget what they use for root stock but eh -you're better off getting a tree from a grower. And you do need multiple trees for them to bear fruit.
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Awww, c'mon. She has a tree. Even if they're small, hard and sour, they'd make great pectin for canning fruits. But, agreed, if you want a quantity of good eating apples, a grower is the way to go.
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You'll need another variety to have nice crops. Some apples won't produce at all without a cross pollinator, but even if they do, it'll be a much larger and nicer crop with a cross pollinator. Just run a search on apple pollination or apple pollination chart.Congrats and good luck!

The apples you get from those trees will be practically useless. They will be small, hard & sour (inedible). I forget what they use for root stock but eh -you're better off getting a tree from a grower. And you do need multiple trees for them to bear fruit.


Awww, c'mon. She has a tree. Even if they're small, hard and sour, they'd make great pectin for canning fruits. But, agreed, if you want a quantity of good eating apples, a grower is the way to go.
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YES I HAVE A TREE! I never thought I would be so excited about a little tree, but I am...

I will look into cross pollination/ grafting and see what I can do with the info. I will probably end up getting a few trees from a grower too.

I hope the apples I get (many years from now) won't be awful. :( But I understand that it is not as simple as planting a seed and reaping perfect fruit.

I also have some pepper seeds and some orange seeds which I plan on sprouting.
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Graft them onto something that is hearty and thriving. We took a couple of seedlings and grafted them with success 3 years ago. They are so healthy looking.

The only reason we grafted was because we could not get fruit from seedlings until someone told us to graft them.

Give it a try if you want, if not good luck and I hope you get alot of apples.

Peace
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I will have to research grafting a little more and see what I can do- I usually have to see something done before I am successful, but I'm sure I can some good info that will help a bunch.

Can you tell me more about your grafting experience?
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I'm a novice at best, but I have 2 Apple Tree seedlings growing in my kitchen window!

I took the seeds from some organic apples I purchased a while back. I really didn't think they would grow but to my surprise they have sprouted!
I have no idea whether they will produce fruit when mature.

I got so excited when I saw my little sprouts, that I deseeded all of my fruits in hopes to plant their seeds as well.

I know there are several green-thumbs around here that can give me great advice about growing my own food.

I would be honored to hear from the experts around here.

Cheers!
EvE
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Of course they will. Have you never heard of Johnny Appleseed?
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do a bit of looking into the "male and female" of fruit trees. In order for a tree to "make fruit", there must be a mix so they can pollinate.

here's a really good article:
[link to cecalaveras.ucdavis.edu]

and this one:
[link to www.helium.com]

good luck! :-)
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Thanks for the links! hf
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I hope the apples I get (many years from now) won't be awful. :( But I understand that it is not as simple as planting a seed and reaping perfect fruit.

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Shouldn't take too long ... maybe about 3 or 4 years.
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So I wonder how on earth I will know whether I have a boy tree or a girl tree???

hmmmm....?
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I hope the apples I get (many years from now) won't be awful. :( But I understand that it is not as simple as planting a seed and reaping perfect fruit.



Shouldn't take too long ... maybe about 3 or 4 years.
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Well that's not too long! I keep laughing at myself for getting so excited over my baby apple trees!

I shall love them... and squeeze them ....and call them "George!"
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Lol. You made my day. It's so nice to see someone excited over an apple tree. Maybe you'll come up with a new cultivar.

You won't have a "boy" or "girl" tree. An apple tree blossom is both male and female. A perfect blossom that can either give or receive pollen. It just needs another variety to pollinate it, so you'll want to choose one that blooms at the same time.

If you plan on raising peppers from seeds, you might want to pick up a pack of heirloom seeds. The heirloom seeds reproduce like the parent. The hybrid seeds don't produce true to the parent and may not produce at all. For seed saving, you'll want heirlooms.

The heirloom are really awesome plants. They seem to modify themselves according to the climate. Might not be scientific, but if you have short growing seasons, you might find the first year you barely have enough time to get seeds before the first frost. The following year, you get them earlier, and earlier. It's like each generation is improving on itself. Just an observation, not a scientific fact.

Collecting seeds is a fun hobby and you can actually get the plant you want by choosing the one with the most produce, the earliest blooming, the one with the most seeds in the pod, etc.

Planting any seed is also fun, but if you're planting for food, it's always nice to know what you're planting and knowing that what you save will be the same as the parent plant.

Hope you'll report back about your tree and thanks for sharing your excitement! hf
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so neat. type of dirt colors?
Brother sun, intuition moon. Home at the forest.

Sure every post I have mentions goat blood...How do you think we get plasma tv's?

Organic needs are being assaulted. I'm not amused by this & encourage all to grow heirloom seed for themselves.

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Lots of plants grow best when their roots have lots of freedom and a well air-ated soil. To make sure you don't screw the little guys over, don't turn their soil into mud with over-watering and/or allow it to get squished and compacted into a crusty hard puck. That's about the point where a novice will say "i don't know why its not growing :("
If ever that becomes the case you most certainly have to pop the little plant out of its pot, loosen it up from its crappy dirt, and put it back into a medium that is, again, well aerated and healthy. "As above, so below!" Is especially true for plants. The heppier them roots are, the better she'll look up above where the rest of 'er is.

Thats the best advice I have for anyone growing virtually any plant! Plants love it when their roots are nice and happy. Some plants have different perrogatives with their roots though, so special provisions might be required. Take care. hf
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Graft them if you can. They will go well. I have had some that do not produce and some that have and still do. It all depends what they came from.

I have grafted and produce every year.
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You are getting good info here

Congratulations on sprouting your tree! It is wonderful to me to see someone first getting excited about the Joys of growing living plants

Myself I have apple, cherry, pear grapefruit, orange and lemon as well as several maple oak and cedar etc all in planters so far since I am still seeking where I want to settle into.

More why I am posting
is to tell you that I have a small porcelain ceramic 'tray' perhaps from a tea service set - that when I eat whatever has keepable seeds, I put the seeds on the tray to dry out
Then I have empty mayo and peanut butter jars that I cleaned in order to keep my seeds in clean dry cool storage.
I also have empty prescription bottles that I keep seeds like strawberry and grape seeds in

I am the type that could have a thousand acres and still be looking for where I might plant something more. One summer I grew over a thousand African Violets from seeds that I pollinated myself. At one point I had over 600 blooming on the front porch and yard all at once. They were real easy to give away, so many people stopped to look at them.

I do have a great green thumb and I am conjecturing that
after the shit hits the fan and blows to wherever it goes and settles on the ground and becomes the compost for whatever comes next that I can produce massive amounts of cool seedlings to use as barter!

Problem is you dont know what type of fruit your seed has been pollinated with and what kind of quality hybrid fruit your tree will give. So to me it would make sense to plant a dozen or so when you plant. Then 4 year later or whenever that you get fruit - you can choose the best and use the rest for firewood.

God luck -- ENJOY!
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all good apples are clones and grafted...

seeds will grow into something NOT LIKE the parents...

apples do not breed true...

second it can take up to ten years for an apple tree to mature enough to flower and produce fruit...

all commercial trees are OLD budwood from a producing tree grafted onto disease resistant root stock...

if you want an apple tree go buy one at wally world, home depot or a garden supply...

what you have most likely will never produce fruit and if it DOES, there is no telling what it will look like...

ALL NAVAL oranges have been grafted from a single limb FOUND in an orchard in florida...

I have been breeding, grafting and growing fruit trees for almost twenty years and I can tell you without a doubt it takes a very long time...

enigma
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We took a couple of seedlings and grafted them with success 3 years ago. They are so healthy looking.
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I have taken small young "water shoots" from trees of apples that I really liked
and used 'rooting hormone powder' and rooted them to get new trees identical to the parent tree.
Some of them are over 20 years old now and even tho I no longer live where they are I am very proud that they grew so healthy!

I have even done quite a few where I didnt even use the hormone powder.
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do a bit of looking into the "male and female" of fruit trees. In order for a tree to "make fruit", there must be a mix so they can pollinate.

here's a really good article:
[link to cecalaveras.ucdavis.edu]

and this one:
[link to www.helium.com]

good luck! :-)
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yes this is absolutely true! You need a mama and poppa tree
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all good apples are clones and grafted...

seeds will grow into something NOT LIKE the parents...

apples do not breed true...

second it can take up to ten years for an apple tree to mature enough to flower and produce fruit...

all commercial trees are OLD budwood from a producing tree grafted onto disease resistant root stock...

if you want an apple tree go buy one at wally world, home depot or a garden supply...

what you have most likely will never produce fruit and if it DOES, there is no telling what it will look like...

ALL NAVAL oranges have been grafted from a single limb FOUND in an orchard in florida...

I have been breeding, grafting and growing fruit trees for almost twenty years and I can tell you without a doubt it takes a very long time...

enigma
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Enigma yes I agree with everything because I also knop what you know as far as tried and true ways of running orchads

EXCEPT

I have the programming that I got from my father
When he saw let's say a strawberry plant growing up wild such as from a bird dropping. He would carefully dig it out and make a spot in his gardens for it until he saw what it could produce.
He said what you get from the commercial companies is a result of a lot of trial and error
But Gifts From God can be the better children from Mother Nature.

Where we moved from when I was 5 years old has been turned into a subdivision. There are two 'Wild' apple trees that my dad 'saved' back then that they kept because they are so good that others have made rootings from them.

So yes commercially there is the perfectly intelligent Rule of Thumb
but there is magic in this world too and EvEolution could just as easily be the Eve that could bring a new Evolution of Apples into the world just because the DNA in her seedling grew up into fitting the atmosphere of HER being

after all that whole wild and boisterous free natural world out there has always brought forth extra ordinary

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