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Unconstitutional & Illegal National Firearm Licensing Program Proposed

 
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Unconstitutional & Illegal National Firearm Licensing Program Proposed
Published on 01-19-2009


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By: Lee Rogers

The terrorists in the federal government are continuing to destroy any freedom and liberty that might be left in this country. Now that the Democrat faction of the one party system has a majority in both houses of Congress and will shortly be in control of the executive branch, we can expect a different agenda of enslavement and dehumanization to be implemented. One of these agendas will be the continued destruction of the Second Amendment. Not satisfied with the current mechanisms of control already in place, a new piece of legislation has been proposed that will further impose more unconstitutional regulations on people who only wish to defend their life, liberty and property by owning a firearm.

House Resolution 45 or the Blair Holt’s Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 introduced by Representative Bobby Rush (D-IL) is essentially a national firearm licensing program that will place all sorts of unconstitutional requirements on people attempting to obtain a firearm. The rationale behind this bill is that they believe it will reduce gun violence in the United States. This is of course ridiculous because criminals will never go through any licensing process in order to obtain a firearm. It will do nothing to protect people and in fact it will cause gun violence to go up because people will have a more difficult time obtaining a weapon for self defense. The bill is named after Blair Holt a high school student who was killed by gun fire on a bus. Maybe if somebody on the bus had a weapon to defend themselves from the lunatic who boarded the bus shooting people, Blair Holt would still be alive today. Instead, this idiot Representative from Illinois believes that by making it more difficult to obtain firearms, violence will go down and that we will save children. The very opposite is true, which makes Representative Rush an ignorant fool. This bill will make people like Blair Holt less safe.

Let’s look at some of the major sections of this bill.

Section 101 outlines licensing requirements. The licensing requirements mandate that it will be unlawful for anyone to possess a firearm unless they have a license certified under the legislation. Unless you are a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer or licensed collector you will not be able to own a firearm. State firearm licensing and record of sale systems must be certified under section 602 of the bill.

Section 102 of the bill outlines the application process of which an individual needs to go through in order to obtain a firearm. These are just some of the things an applicant will be required to submit to the Attorney General’s office in order to obtain a license.

- Current passport-sized photograph.

- Name, address, and date and place of birth of the applicant.

- Thumb print.
- Certification attesting to the completion at the time of application of a written firearms examination which shall test the knowledge and ability of the applicant on the safe storage of firearms, the legal responsibilities of firearms owners and any other subjects the Attorney General determines to be appropriate.

Section 103 of the bill describes the issuance of the firearm license which will be in the form of a tamper-resistant card that contains the information of the licensed individual. Each license will be good for 5-years.

Section 104 of the bill describes the renewal process which requires the licensed individual to submit an application not later than 30 days before the expiration of the license.

Section 105 of the bill gives the Attorney General the authority to revoke a license from an individual if they are no longer qualified to possess a firearm.

Section 201 of the bill states that it is unlawful for any person to sell, deliver, or transfer a firearm to any person who is not also licensed under the requirements in the legislation.

Section 202 of the bill requires that firearms dealers submit sale or transfer reports that include information such as the manufacturer of the firearm, model name of the firearm, serial number of the firearm, the name/address of the individual who transferred the firearm to the transferee and other assorted information. It also mandates that 9 months after this bill is signed into law that the Attorney General establishes and maintains this record of sale system.

Section 301 of the bill amends U.S. Code so that all individuals who seek a firearm license are subject to a universal background check requirement.

Section 302, 303, 304, 305 of the bill makes it illegal to, fail or maintain inspection of records for licensed manufacturers or licensed dealers in accordance with section 202, to fail to report a loss or theft of a firearm, to fail to provide a notice of change of address if you have a firearm license and places additional restrictions on anyone under the age of 18 coming in contact with a firearm.

Section 401 provides penalties including jail time for failing to comply with their ridiculous licensing procedures, background checks and child access prevention regulations.

Section 402 mandates that the Attorney General issue regulations governing the licensing and recorded sale of firearms.

Section 403 gives the Attorney General the power to conduct inspections during regular business hours at any place where firearm products are manufactured, stored or held for distribution in commerce.

Section 404 allows the Attorney General to prohibit the sale or transfer of any firearm that they find to be in violation of the Act itself.

Section 405 allows the Attorney General to bring an action to restrain any violation of the Act in the district court of the United States for any district that the violation has occurred.

Section 501 mandates that the Attorney General establish and maintain a firearm injury information clearinghouse to collect, analyze and disseminate information relating to the causes and prevention of death and injury associated with firearms.

Section 601 ensures that the federal law overrides state laws on firearms that might be weaker than what is contained in the bill itself. If a state has regulations or prohibitions in greater scope of the bill, than that is OK.

Section 602 allows the Attorney General to certify any firearm licensing system established by states.

There are other sections, but that covers the major portions. This bill is entirely unconstitutional because it places unreasonable restrictions on law abiding citizens who wish to own a firearm to protect their life, liberty and property. Let’s take a look at the text of the Second Amendment.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The Second Amendment states that the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. This legislation like other gun control laws infringes upon the people obtaining firearms for self defense purposes. The bill also gives a ridiculous amount of power to the Attorney General to setup a national firearm licensing program. The Attorney General will have the final say on if somebody gets a license to own a firearm or not. It gives the states no latitude unless they wish to impose greater penalties and wider encompassing rules and regulations than this bill requires.

Unfortunately, since the Democrats will have control over the entire legislative branch and executive branch, this gun control agenda is something they will surely try to ram through in short order. Not that there isn’t any difference between the Republicans and Democrats as it is really just a one party system, but this is one agenda that we can expect to see pushed through as this is one part of the enslavement agenda that Democrats typically have tried to push in the past.

The bottom line is that any sort of licensing program for things like driving, owning firearms and what not is against the principles of freedom and liberty. Honestly though, one has to consider what they will propose next. Are these clowns in Washington DC going to start proposing licensing programs for baseball bats, knives and power tools to keep us safe?

It is the right of a law abiding citizen to drive, own a firearm and participate in other activities that do not infringe upon someone else’s liberty without obtaining a license from a government that is run by a bunch of terrorist scumbags. The government goes around looting taxpayer money and sending the military to the other side of the world to kill brown people for the sake of empire and domination. With that said, why would anyone in their right mind believe that this law is to keep us safe? The people who run the U.S. government hate us and that is why they are trying to take firearms out of the hands of the average person. Representative Bobby Rush is a fool and his legislation is entirely unconstitutional. If this bill is signed into law Rush will be responsible for the deaths of more children because he will have made it more difficult for people to defend themselves. Bobby Rush is an anti-American piece of trash. He should be removed from office and tarred and feathered publically.
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Text of H.R. 45: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009

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"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."
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Actually, it is not unconstitutional to require license. Idiot.
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taking the snuff and guns away


total war
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Hmmmm....Might this be "Lead Law" Bobby Rush??

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And the unconstitutional part is where exactly in the legislation?

And why yet another thread on this same topic?
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Actually, it is not unconstitutional to require license. Idiot.
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good morning to you too fuck-shit. i didnt write the article. take it up with the author.
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FREEDOM OF SPEECH:
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The People Vs Larry Flynt
"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."
VIDEO: [link to youtu.be]

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And the unconstitutional part is where exactly in the legislation?

And why yet another thread on this same topic?
 Quoting: georgebushworstprezever 565924


i couldnt find my other thread on this. tried adv search too. forgot the title.
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Every closed eye is not sleeping, and every open eye is not seeing
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The universe responds NOT to what you want.....it responds to what you are being.......are you being what you want?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
the karma cafe has no menus. you get served what you deserve
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

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FREEDOM OF SPEECH:
Alan Isaacman
The People Vs Larry Flynt
"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."
VIDEO: [link to youtu.be]

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fight fuckoff2 s226 flip bsflag
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Actually, it is not unconstitutional to require license. Idiot.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 596851


exactly, licensing is not obstructive, cars have licenses

but lets not get crazy...

Do you have a printer with a 100 sheet magazine? Assault printer. You just need a printer license.
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Actually, it is not unconstitutional to require license. Idiot.
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Yes, license implies required permission for ownership. Owning a gun is a RIGHT. This is the same as requiring you to get a license to speak or to practice your religion. A license that can be denied to you and be illegal if you did not get a license. This bill is the end of all rights.
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Actually, it is not unconstitutional to require license. Idiot.
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yeah it is dumbfuck. owning a firearm is a right, a license is permission to do something that would otherwise be illegal.
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If it's passed into law then it's not unconstitutional.

The constitution is not perfect.

By your logic, the right for women to vote is unconstitutional.

Things change
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If it's passed into law then it's not unconstitutional.

The constitution is not perfect.

By your logic, the right for women to vote is unconstitutional.

Things change
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 596854


The 19th Amendment was added to the Constitution, not a law blatantly disregarding the 2nd Amendment.
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Yeah, this is really ugly. It wouldn't surprise me if this was enacted near immediately after Obama takes office. Heck, he might just sign it into law through executive order if he doesn't think it will pass.
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And the unconstitutional part is where exactly in the legislation?

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Did you eat a lot of paint chips when you were a kid?

There are Federal funds availalble for children(now adult) who are lead damaged.
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Actually, it is not unconstitutional to require license. Idiot.

Yes, license implies required permission for ownership. Owning a gun is a RIGHT. This is the same as requiring you to get a license to speak or to practice your religion. A license that can be denied to you and be illegal if you did not get a license. This bill is the end of all rights.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 562223


sort of like the vaccinations: its not a law not to be vaccinated. but it is school policies/politics your kids cant go to school w/o being vaccinated. if your kids isnt vaccinated, the school goes after the parents for truancy. last summer i think it was in new jersey?? damn it was all over infowars - it was a thread on here too, the school district required more vaccinations or something. kids sent him until vaccinated. parents refused - they arrested the parents for truancy.
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Every closed eye is not sleeping, and every open eye is not seeing
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The universe responds NOT to what you want.....it responds to what you are being.......are you being what you want?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
the karma cafe has no menus. you get served what you deserve
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Visit The Official GLP Store
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FREEDOM OF SPEECH:
Alan Isaacman
The People Vs Larry Flynt
"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."
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By your logic, the right for women to vote is unconstitutional.
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The Sufferage movement is a terrific example, grass root, at the point of a gun.
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It's amazing that bills of this nature doesn't push some true Patriots over the edge and make them start the 2nd revolution by shooting the traitors in Washington that are out to destroy the Constititution.
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It's amazing that bills of this nature doesn't push some true Patriots over the edge and make them start the 2nd revolution by shooting the traitors in Washington that are out to destroy the Constititution.
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Maybe because they dont think it'll be "all that bad" or some think that it aint really gonna happen?

I cant explain it, but it's sure telling of the condition of apathy that has our nation enslaved.
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The Constitution does not say you can't make things like a license requirement; as anyone who knows things, knows the rights were not given to all, nor are given to all (if you have had a felony, you can't get guns, despite the Bill of Rights).

SCOTUS many times has ruled on this; a license does NOT prevent one from getting a gun, so it does not violate the Bill of Rights.
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Actually, it is not unconstitutional to require license. Idiot.

Yes, license implies required permission for ownership. Owning a gun is a RIGHT. This is the same as requiring you to get a license to speak or to practice your religion. A license that can be denied to you and be illegal if you did not get a license. This bill is the end of all rights.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 562223


exactly

The licensing requirements mandate that it will be unlawful for anyone to possess a firearm unless they have a license certified under the legislation. Unless you are a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer or licensed collector you will not be able to own a firearm. State firearm licensing and record of sale systems must be certified under section 602 of the bill.

the constitution may say that you have a right to arms, but if you dont have the license you'd be breaking the law (if enacted)
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FREEDOM OF SPEECH:
Alan Isaacman
The People Vs Larry Flynt
"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."
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Anonymous Coward
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01/20/2009 06:00 AM
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Re: Unconstitutional & Illegal National Firearm Licensing Program Proposed
The Constitution does not say you can't make things like a license requirement; as anyone who knows things, knows the rights were not given to all, nor are given to all (if you have had a felony, you can't get guns, despite the Bill of Rights).

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 596851

Exactly, the courts have caused their own problems. In the OLD DAYS. Felons mostly died during punishment, or during incarceration, so post felony status was left unaddressed. Now with no corporal punishment, and short incarcerations, a situation is created.
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01/20/2009 06:17 AM
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Re: Unconstitutional & Illegal National Firearm Licensing Program Proposed
It's already been in the legal system, ruled by SCOTUS, that one can make a license requirement for guns. It doesn't prevent gun ownership, but helps regulate as is expected by the Constitution as well.

People in the 21st century misinterpret the Constitution in so many ways. "Free speech" doesn't mean libel, or freedom to say anything you want; there are limits.

"Gun rights" are the same.
georgebushworstprezev​er
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01/20/2009 06:26 PM
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If it's passed into law then it's not unconstitutional.

The constitution is not perfect.

By your logic, the right for women to vote is unconstitutional.

Things change


The 19th Amendment was added to the Constitution, not a law blatantly disregarding the 2nd Amendment.
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This is a ridiculous argument. Case in point: the 18th and 21st amendments.
georgebushworstprezev​er
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01/20/2009 06:29 PM
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And the unconstitutional part is where exactly in the legislation?



Did you eat a lot of paint chips when you were a kid?

There are Federal funds availalble for children(now adult) who are lead damaged.
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Are you kidding me?!! My family was dirt poor when I was growing up; we wish we had some paint chips to fill our bellies like those rich families' kids did.
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It's already been in the legal system, ruled by SCOTUS, that one can make a license requirement for guns. It doesn't prevent gun ownership, but helps regulate as is expected by the Constitution as well.

People in the 21st century misinterpret the Constitution in so many ways. "Free speech" doesn't mean libel, or freedom to say anything you want; there are limits.

"Gun rights" are the same.
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Exactly. I'm still waiting for the OP to show us the unconstitutional parts of this legislation.
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01/20/2009 06:33 PM
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I will happily swap my white hat for a black hat, if my government chooses to criminalize me. I will not apply for a firearm license.
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01/20/2009 06:35 PM
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Oh and, once I become a criminal, I have very little left to lose.

Food for thought.
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01/20/2009 06:44 PM
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Here's another big thread on the bill.

Thread: HR 45 - Gun Registration & Tracking! Loss of all Freedom!
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01/20/2009 06:46 PM
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They can pass all of the laws that they want. The day they make gun ownership illegal is the day I become a criminal. I choose to obey the laws but have broken a few just like every person in the country. I will never completely obey the traffic laws "yes I speed". If my economic situation made it a need I would not obey game laws if my family was starving. I pay my taxes like the rest of the sheep and live a law abiding life for the most part. If I am caught breaking a law I am willing to pay the price.
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