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Holy Shit! LOOK at the Magnetosphere!!

 
Dr. Quibble

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Not to usurp candace or anything.

My opinion is that it could be a relatively dense band of fast moving light(weight) particles from a cme which is coming down on us, Like the shockwave from an explosion.

A pre-cursor to the main bulk arriving perhaps?
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I'm surprised that more poeple are not interesetd in this thread and the solar doom thread.

As loosing the power grid on the complete surface of the earth seems pretty much a given to me.

I think that within the next 4 years it will happen for sure. Actually I think that it will happen sooner,like within the year!!!!!! hf
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I'm surprised that more poeple are not interesetd in this thread and the solar doom thread.

As loosing the power grid on the complete surface of the earth seems pretty much a given to me.

I think that within the next 4 years it will happen for sure. Actually I think that it will happen sooner,like within the year!!!!!! hf
 Quoting: Arctec


People have a tendancy to look at that which is important a mite bit too late. Like as we are being hit. You know they will want to know why their power went out fter there power went out.. But if everyone knew we wouldn't get ourselves a head-start now would we :D
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Not everything in this world is serious... some of it is a joke.

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"Narcissist" - I wear it like a medal.
It is infact the sane that are weak with closed minds, only those outside the norm can see the truth.
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Not to usurp candace or anything.

My opinion is that it could be a relatively dense band of fast moving light(weight) particles from a cme which is coming down on us, Like the shockwave from an explosion.

A pre-cursor to the main bulk arriving perhaps?
 Quoting: Dr. Quibble


I asked my sources on this, Dr. Q. They said they did it, and it is in part because of the incoming CME. They want more protons "inside" before it hits.

Fleet constantly observes this. I otherwise might have considered it as just a "first wave" myself, except it showed basically only at geostationary orbit, and level 1 on BATS which indicated a very directed focused hit from a proton "shooter." There was a small depression of the pressure image, indicating a "shoot" with some degree of force.

And example of a HUGE shoot, was the event that started this very thread, implemented at midnight UTC Jan 20/21, on purpose at that time to grab attention.

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I'm surprised that more poeple are not interesetd in this thread and the solar doom thread.

As loosing the power grid on the complete surface of the earth seems pretty much a given to me.

I think that within the next 4 years it will happen for sure. Actually I think that it will happen sooner,like within the year!!!!!! hf


People have a tendancy to look at that which is important a mite bit too late. Like as we are being hit. You know they will want to know why their power went out fter there power went out.. But if everyone knew we wouldn't get ourselves a head-start now would we :D
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I don't think that many people understand just how much we are dependent on electricity... Like 100%.. If it goes down nothing works and I mean nothing.... And it will be a looooong time before what is left of humanity gets anything going ..........
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I asked my sources on this, Dr. Q. They said they did it, and it is in part because of the incoming CME. Fleet constantly observes this. I otherwise might have considered it as just a "first wave" myself, except it showed basically only at geostationary orbit, and level 1 on BATS which indicated a very directed focused hit from a proton "shooter."
 Quoting: Candace


I don't deny that you may be right, I take it on evidence. Nothing says your wrong, It is infact a viable alternative. But logic takes me to the "first wave" first.

Maybe with more of these, consistancy is key. I don't rule it out as a possibility though. Hardest part about it is why anyone would make a conscience decision to help our planet. That's completely beyond me.

Still I shall always look at things with logic and come to my own conclusions. In time I may see eye to eye with you but for the time please don't try and convert me :)

I say that with great respect, but I will find my own way without guidance. - Just saying so you don't waste your time :)

Please keep putting forward your ideas and thoughts and what you have been told because with something this big logic may not be enough to explain everything without outside interference. That and its very interesting to see a viewpoint which makes sense but differs frm my own logical conclusion.

Its a process of elimination, Hope you understand.

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"Narcissist" - I wear it like a medal.
It is infact the sane that are weak with closed minds, only those outside the norm can see the truth.
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Not to usurp candace or anything.

My opinion is that it could be a relatively dense band of fast moving light(weight) particles from a cme which is coming down on us, Like the shockwave from an explosion.

A pre-cursor to the main bulk arriving perhaps?


I asked my sources on this, Dr. Q. They said they did it, and it is in part because of the incoming CME. They want more protons "inside" before it hits.

Fleet constantly observes this. I otherwise might have considered it as just a "first wave" myself, except it showed basically only at geostationary orbit, and level 1 on BATS which indicated a very directed focused hit from a proton "shooter." There was a small depression of the pressure image, indicating a "shoot" with some degree of force.

And example of a HUGE shoot, was the event that started this very thread, implemented at midnight UTC Jan 20/21, on purpose at that time to grab attention.
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How do more protons help us?
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Hardest part about it is why anyone would make a conscience decision to help our planet. That's completely beyond me.

I can see someone wanting to save the planet... But to save human kind.... I can't wrap my head around that one..
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Looked back into the past, did note a short earthbound ejecta on the 18th janurary, The timing seems ok. Could account for the mgnetosphere on the 21st jan.

I say what i see. Check it if you want, cor1 [link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov] Right side.

But if you got consistant anomolies, directed proton shot doing the sme thing on at least 3 seperate occasions with no earthbound cme/flare within 4 days prior ill look into them.
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Not everything in this world is serious... some of it is a joke.

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"Narcissist" - I wear it like a medal.
It is infact the sane that are weak with closed minds, only those outside the norm can see the truth.
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Hardest part about it is why anyone would make a conscience decision to help our planet. That's completely beyond me.

I can see someone wanting to save the planet... But to save human kind.... I can't wrap my head around that one..
 Quoting: Arctec


lol yea, meant people, just classed it as "planet".

hell if it were me looking down on this planet with the power to save or destroy it.. I'd take the animals for food, the humans for slaves and the resource's for my empire.

I would send fast moving scout ships out to distant solar system's with the ability on board those ships to be able to provide basic protection for a world which was on the verge of becoming useless to me, irradiated resources, no food, no labour. And when they found a viable planet for harvesting would keep it stable until the ships capable of harvesting to arrive.

That's what i would do.

But asides from tht i can'tsee why anything would want to save the people.
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Not everything in this world is serious... some of it is a joke.

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It is infact the sane that are weak with closed minds, only those outside the norm can see the truth.
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Hardest part about it is why anyone would make a conscience decision to help our planet. That's completely beyond me.

I can see someone wanting to save the planet... But to save human kind.... I can't wrap my head around that one..


lol yea, meant people, just classed it as "planet".

hell if it were me looking down on this planet with the power to save or destroy it.. I'd take the animals for food, the humans for slaves and the resource's for my empire.

I would send fast moving scout ships out to distant solar system's with the ability on board those ships to be able to provide basic protection for a world which was on the verge of becoming useless to me, irradiated resources, no food, no labour. And when they found a viable planet for harvesting would keep it stable until the ships capable of harvesting to arrive.

That's what i would do.

But asides from tht i can'tsee why anything would want to save the people.
 Quoting: Dr. Quibble



I've thought quite a bit about the harvesting part..... Leave a few behind to build the herd up for next harvest....
Maybe it has happened a few times already.....
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Well we will find out soon enough.

Don't want to take this thread too far off topic, but I could be happy to continue it on a new thread or something hf If you do make one make sure you post a link to it somewhere in here...

Anyway back to watching the readings from satellites lol.
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Not everything in this world is serious... some of it is a joke.

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Hardest part about it is why anyone would make a conscience decision to help our planet. That's completely beyond me.

I can see someone wanting to save the planet... But to save human kind.... I can't wrap my head around that one..


lol yea, meant people, just classed it as "planet".

hell if it were me looking down on this planet with the power to save or destroy it.. I'd take the animals for food, the humans for slaves and the resource's for my empire.

I would send fast moving scout ships out to distant solar system's with the ability on board those ships to be able to provide basic protection for a world which was on the verge of becoming useless to me, irradiated resources, no food, no labour. And when they found a viable planet for harvesting would keep it stable until the ships capable of harvesting to arrive.

That's what i would do.

But asides from tht i can'tsee why anything would want to save the people.
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Sounds like the Sumerian creation legends.
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I asked my sources on this, Dr. Q. They said they did it, and it is in part because of the incoming CME. Fleet constantly observes this. I otherwise might have considered it as just a "first wave" myself, except it showed basically only at geostationary orbit, and level 1 on BATS which indicated a very directed focused hit from a proton "shooter."


I don't deny that you may be right, I take it on evidence. Nothing says your wrong, It is infact a viable alternative. But logic takes me to the "first wave" first.

Maybe with more of these, consistancy is key. I don't rule it out as a possibility though. Hardest part about it is why anyone would make a conscience decision to help our planet. That's completely beyond me.

Still I shall always look at things with logic and come to my own conclusions. In time I may see eye to eye with you but for the time please don't try and convert me :)

I say that with great respect, but I will find my own way without guidance. - Just saying so you don't waste your time :)

Please keep putting forward your ideas and thoughts and what you have been told because with something this big logic may not be enough to explain everything without outside interference. That and its very interesting to see a viewpoint which makes sense but differs frm my own logical conclusion.

Its a process of elimination, Hope you understand.
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Good thought.
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Hardest part about it is why anyone would make a conscience decision to help our planet. That's completely beyond me.

I can see someone wanting to save the planet... But to save human kind.... I can't wrap my head around that one..


lol yea, meant people, just classed it as "planet".

hell if it were me looking down on this planet with the power to save or destroy it.. I'd take the animals for food, the humans for slaves and the resource's for my empire.

I would send fast moving scout ships out to distant solar system's with the ability on board those ships to be able to provide basic protection for a world which was on the verge of becoming useless to me, irradiated resources, no food, no labour. And when they found a viable planet for harvesting would keep it stable until the ships capable of harvesting to arrive.

That's what i would do.

But asides from tht i can'tsee why anything would want to save the people.



I've thought quite a bit about the harvesting part..... Leave a few behind to build the herd up for next harvest....
Maybe it has happened a few times already.....
 Quoting: Arctec


Harvest is a powerful word. It's in the bible. Who knows, perhaps you are closer to it than you think. ;)
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What happened to my beloved GLP????.
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Here you can see the peak of protons mentioned above.

[link to www2.nict.go.jp]
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Hardest part about it is why anyone would make a conscience decision to help our planet. That's completely beyond me.

I can see someone wanting to save the planet... But to save human kind.... I can't wrap my head around that one..


lol yea, meant people, just classed it as "planet".

hell if it were me looking down on this planet with the power to save or destroy it.. I'd take the animals for food, the humans for slaves and the resource's for my empire.

I would send fast moving scout ships out to distant solar system's with the ability on board those ships to be able to provide basic protection for a world which was on the verge of becoming useless to me, irradiated resources, no food, no labour. And when they found a viable planet for harvesting would keep it stable until the ships capable of harvesting to arrive.

That's what i would do.

But asides from tht i can'tsee why anything would want to save the people.
 Quoting: Dr. Quibble


Well, why is it so hard to understand why some more evolved beings wanted to to help our planet? Out of compassion for example...
I myself help even insects not to drown in a pool, although they are not fluffy mammals like humans.
A living planet housing intelligent beings worth some attention to help thru hard times.
Not to mention, that we are just one step from changing the direction of our culture from disaster to sustainability, cooperation and intelligence.
I work in a foundation catalysing just that.

So Dr. Q. you'd just ravage the planet if you had the power... You'd take animals for food and humans for slaves... Nice. That's exactly why you do not have power, and you will not until you get some serious training to be able to handle it.

Harvesting... What a Darvinian concept... Only taking resources, and fighting for them. As if we were not living in a universe of abundance. Only most of us are not intelligent enough to use this abundance ethically. Most of the wealth is in the hands of only a few.

This is soon to change.
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Here you can see the peak of protons mentioned above.

[link to www2.nict.go.jp]
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[link to www2.nict.go.jp]

The simulation is given above.

offtopic

However - humans are adapted (like other organisms) to their environment including the spectrum received from our sun the uvb part which we use to synthesise vitamin D (really more a hormone than a vitamin). Hypothetical aliens cannot just go to another planet and live there without biosuits that would simulate the environment that their ancestors evolved in our Earth is in fact hostile to those not evolved on it therefore it makes sense to keep a workforce ready and waiting so to speak -

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Many planets are quiet similar to this one, and many can and do walk on this planet whenever they wish to inspect. Others, not so easy, and those from the really high planes do have to wear a bio suit of sorts, which protects them from the density of this atmosphere. And I go fine to ship with aliens used to similar atmopsheres, which are maintained aboard ship. Our problem here is generally we get more radiation than other planets. That is a factor for us, but not always for others. There is a group from Uranus that visits here in small shuttle craft, land them right on the planet. They live in "bubble" cities there, since there is not this sort of atmopshere, they create it under energy bubbles, not glass bubbles.

The "bug" is getting more clearly pointing upward, even more so tonight, really obvious now, on BATS R US. [link to ccmc.gsfc.nasa.gov] Do you still think the CMEs are coming Dr. Q? or perhaps glance off. There is just these little increases up and down. I am feeling some pressure though, that is not going away at this time, so maybe still something coming.

I'll check in the late morning tomorrow. Going for a long night on ship tonight, will need to sleep in tomorrow.

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Give them time if they aren't here in 24 hours i don't think they will be. Glancing blows are far more likely for any CME.
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Is there anybody OUT THERE!
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yep we're out here.
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Not everything in this world is serious... some of it is a joke.

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Is there anybody OUT THERE!
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[link to www2.nict.go.jp]

The pressure simulation is barely visible.
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Is there anybody OUT THERE!



[link to www2.nict.go.jp]

The pressure simulation is barely visible.
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Yes it appears those two cme's missed us, but never fear there will be more soon..

Mind you that makes me wonder about that spike that candace said was a proton shot.
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This looks strange...


[link to www2.nict.go.jp]
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[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

Is this it Dr Quibble?
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[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

Is this it Dr Quibble?
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Yea that's the spike.

On a different note though, [link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov] Check out the solar prominence there, gotta wait 3 days to see it in the 304 wavelength (this colour) [link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]

Should look like a good one.

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Not everything in this world is serious... some of it is a joke.

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[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

Is this it Dr Quibble?
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This isn't the proton spike of awhile back. This is a x ray spike and I find it odd, since the front of the sun is so inactive, but I guess it spit a single small flare.

I mentioned I was to attend a long meeting aboard ship a couple days ago. I did. And pretty much there is not going to be anymore done to further delay the reversal, which probably means no fleet created CME's or proton shots.

This is the link to the proton shot at shortly after midnight UTC on the 7th.


I don't understand what you are seeing on Stereo Ahead, did you think this one broke off? I need to look at the date again, could this be the cause of the small x flare yesterday.

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Not to usurp candace or anything.

My opinion is that it could be a relatively dense band of fast moving light(weight) particles from a cme which is coming down on us, Like the shockwave from an explosion.

A pre-cursor to the main bulk arriving perhaps?


I asked my sources on this, Dr. Q. They said they did it, and it is in part because of the incoming CME. They want more protons "inside" before it hits.



Fleet constantly observes this. I otherwise might have considered it as just a "first wave" myself, except it showed basically only at geostationary orbit, and level 1 on BATS which indicated a very directed focused hit from a proton "shooter." There was a small depression of the pressure image, indicating a "shoot" with some degree of force.

And example of a HUGE shoot, was the event that started this very thread, implemented at midnight UTC Jan 20/21, on purpose at that time to grab attention.

**************************Candace



How do more protons help us?
 Quoting: Arctec


They keep the north and south vertexes spinning. They stop spinning, you get a magnetic pole reversal. The proton shots are delaying the inevitable. I placed a link in a previous post, probably on the previous page to my site with some explanations and a drawing. [link to abundanthope.net]

I need to post on my site what the sun has been doing for 2 weeks. Pretty bad. It should be back to where it was 6 months agao when I began documenting the behavior of earth's erratic rotation, and the sun is still way from being where it was then. Maybe 15 degrees by estimate. Unless the earth rapidly changes it's tilt, the sun is not going to be anywhere near on time for equinox and considering equinox was a couple weeks early in March, and Solstice was a couple weeks early in June, we should be at equinox already and the sun is too far north. Some of this is due to the shortened year, we are now 360 days a year, but nobody has adjusted the calendars.

The CME's fizzed out, space conditions do that sometimes. We had a very slight glancing producing protons up to 5 briefly.

If fleet lets me know they have created a CME that would provide a direct hit, I will post here.

There was a nice CME on SOHO last evening, sometime after midnight UTC. This is the link to a bunch of pics, starting in about the middle. [link to sohodata.nascom.nasa.gov]

Last Edited by Candace on 09/09/2009 03:52 PM

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