LACKING LEGITIMACY -(The Retaking Of The Presidential Oath Issue)

not true.
tell this asshole to do some research before writing stupid bullshit articles.

So then spill it. If someone has not sworn on the bible during the Presidential Oath, who was it and what were the circumstances?

If you are correct, then fine, but don't call BS unless you can provide an arguement.

Amen.

OP is a fucking moron.

theodore roosevelt did not use a bible.
john quincy adams was sworn in on a book of law.
lbj was sworn in on a catholic missal on air force one.

happy now?

Dude, facts confuse these morons.

Did your new 'Messiah' teach you to talk to people that way?

Change and hope. Hope and change..

Kinda touchy aren't you Obamabots?

Mom said computer time is over, dumbshit. Go back to the basement.

That's what you come back with after your post was proved wrong?

If true, and I haven't confirmed it yet, then fine with me.
I don't have a dog in the hunt.

And for the record.....OP did not AUTHOR the article. OP just pasted the information. You do understand that right?

Yeesh.

So, in other words, you don't have an original thought on the subject?

Wipe the drool off your keyboard, moron, and go to bed. Mommy will fix you pancakes tomorrow if you're a good little tard.

wow, no shit.
thought i made that clear when i wrote "tell this asshole to do some research before writing such bullshit articles." if i thought you wrote it, i would have called you the asshole.

try to keep up.

Noooooooooooo.

Look at the time stamp.
I responded when I saw it.
Duh.

I am starting to see a real pattern with the kind of people that support Obama.

Yeah, makes sense to me that you would just LOVE a Chicago Thug Lawyer....right up your alley.

You and Max are in the running for Stupidest Poster of the Evening tonight.

Considering the source of the insult, I will take that as a compliment.

I guess you will be getting very angry over time as everything people have tried to warn you about your Messiah comes to pass.

Get used to being wrong.

You got suckered by a NWO puppet in a prettier package..welcome to another four years of hell....

Is it in the constitution that the president must swear on a bible?

Nice try fuckwit.

Say, "Chicago Thug Lawyer" is a pretty big phrase for you--did Uncle Dad teach you that in between buggering your sister and the family mutt, or did you actually learn to read enough to pick it up in some book you picked up in the dumpster of your trailer park?

you mean all the shit that you copy and pasted here, half of which gets debunked?

Here ya go:

Franklin Pierce was the only president to use the word affirm rather than swear. Theodore Roosevelt did not use a Bible when taking the oath in 1901. Dwight Eisenhower, Harry Truman, and Richard Nixon swore the oath on two Bibles. John Quincy Adams swore on a book of law.[3] Lyndon B. Johnson was sworn in on a Roman Catholic missal on Air Force One. Washington kissed the Bible afterwards, as some later Presidents did, but modern Presidents have not—except for Harry Truman, who bent and kissed the Bible upon taking the oath for the first time, on April 12, 1945, as well as at his second inauguration.


[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to voices.washingtonpost.com]

Oaths, Bibles and Presidents

By Garance Franke-Ruta
President Obama may be a historic figure, but his awkward swearing-in ceremony and subsequent do-over of the oath of office don't make him unique in the American historical record. Nor is he the first president to take the oath of office without a Bible, as occurred during his second swearing-in ceremony last night.

According to records compiled by the Architect of the Capitol and maintained by the Library of Congress, Theodore Roosevelt did not use a Bible at his first swearing-in, in 1901.

And when Lyndon B. Johnson was sworn in on Air Force One at Love Field Airport in Dallas after the assassination of President Kennedy, he used a Roman Catholic missal, a liturgical text often containing Latin prayers and used by priests at the altar.

"I had given this Bible or missal to the judge on Air Force One, which I had taken off the side table in the President's bedroom in Air Force One," Democratic strategist Lawrence F. O'Brien, who had served as director of Kennedy's 1960 presidential campaign, recalled in an oral history interview with the LBJ Library in 1986. It turned out not to be a Bible at all, though it was "a book with a cross on the cover, leather-bound" and new.

"I had not opened it to look at its contents," he said, "and I guess at times I referred to it as a Bible and somebody reminded me that it probably wasn't a Bible, it was a missal. It's a missal, I assume. Why it was on the [plane] -- I think it probably was a gift that was very recent, maybe even in the course of that trip. I recall the cardboard box, the cover had been taken off and placed on the bottom and it was in this box. And I took it out of this box."

Indeed, the use of the Bible at presidential swearings-in is a matter of tradition rather than law.

"That tradition just was begun by George Washington and has been pursued ever since, but there's nothing in the Constitution that says anything about a Bible," notes Lawrence Tribe, the Carl M. Loeb University Professor at Harvard Law School and an informal adviser to the 44th president.

"If a nonbeliever should ever assume the presidency, one would assume there would not be any religious symbolism associated with it," he added. Use of such religious materials is permitted by the Constitution, but not mandated by it. The words "so help me God" that commonly follow the presidential oath of office are also traditional and not specified in the constitution.

The oath itself is of some significance, however, as it is the only oath whose exact terms are specified in the Constitution, Tribe notes. Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution states:

Before he enters on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation: -- "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

The use of "swear (or affirm)" in the oath is important to unpack when considering the question of the tradition of swearing on a Bible, notes Richard Epstein, a constitutional scholar and professor at the University of Chicago Law School, because the word "swear" has a religious connotation traceable back to the Test Act of 1673 that excluded from public office individuals unwilling to take communion in the Church of England.

Knowledge of these "historical valences" reveals that the presidential oath of office laid out by the Founders in the Constitution is also "basically a repudiation of religious affiliation as a requirement for the presidency," says Epstein.

Tribe observes that when the oath has been misstated and not corrected, nothing happens, as the presidency devolves upon the elected successor upon the departure of the previous president from the White House. In 1929, Herbert Hoover, following the words said by Chief Justice William Howard Taft, used the word "maintain" instead of "protect" in the oath, Tribe noted. He did not re-do his oath, and he remained president.

Still, "When the oath is not stated as specified it creates an opening for people to raise questions," says Tribe. Obama's restatement "is obviously a reassuring thing, because it eliminates needless quibbling. The retaking of the oath was obviously a sensible step for the White House to arrange."

The "doctrine of prescription" that's been with us since Roman times and is at the basis of, for example, common law marriage -- where acts create legal standing, though only after five to seven years -- may have been something considered by Obama's lawyers in making the decision he should retake the oath, says Epstein.

"The last thing we need is to have doubts about the status of presidential decrees for seven years, or four in this case," he said, even though the doctrine is designed to mitigate the impact of mistakes in formalities.

Obama is the seventh president to have restated his oath of office. Two, Chester Arthur and Calvin Coolidge, did so after their presidents died abruptly, and four did so because Inauguration Day fell on a Sunday.

Arthur took the oath for the first time at his Lexington Ave. home in New York in the wee hours of Sept. 20, 1881, following the death of President James Garfield, who had been wounded by an assassin's bullet in July. Arthur restated the oath at the U.S. Capitol two days later.

Coolidge's repetition of the oath followed a similar course. He took the oath for the first time at 2:47 a.m. on Aug. 2, 1923, after being roused from sleep following the death of Warren Harding. "I was awakened by my father coming up the stairs calling my name," Coolidge later recounted in his autobiography. "I noticed that his voice trembled. As the only times I had ever observed that before were when death had visited our family, I knew that something of the gravest nature had occurred..."

Coolidge had a Bible on the table before which he stood while taking the oath, but did not lay his hand upon it "as it is not the practice in Vermont or Massachusetts to use a Bible in connection with the administration of an oath," he said. Coolidge was at his family homestead in Vermont at the time.

Questions were later raised about the propriety of his being sworn-in by his father, a notary public, leading a federal judge to readminister the oath two weeks later.

The four presidents who restated their oaths of office publicly because Inauguration Day fell on a Sunday are: Rutherford B. Hayes; Woodrow Wilson; Dwight Eisenhower; and Ronald Reagan in 1985.

Obama is the first president to have had a private swearing-in ceremony after his public one, rather than the reverse.

Wrong dip-shit. When he took the redo, no bible was used.







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Wow, how sad for you that you think "Chicago Thug Lawyer" is a pretty big phrase.

You are very intolerant. Name calling, classism.
Yeah, you would be just the type that would slobber over Obama.

Buuuuut it wasn't the first time in history.

Thank you.

No. I mean all the shit the MSM has hidden from you so that they could help to install another Bush clone into power.

WAKE UP FOOL.

Big words for a little man. Surprising.

Guess what, dumbfuck--President Obama is in office. He might actually do something good. Deal with it. Feel free to question his every move, every decision. That is your right, nay, your duty as a citizen.

But, posting utterly useless bullshit from some website run by half-literate bigots isn't constructive, or worthwhile, or particularly smart. So maybe, just maybe, try to grow up a little, have some original thought, and get on with your life.

You're welcome. Also consider religious freedom in the first amendment. Congress can't make laws about religion. Therefore, if the Constitution does not demand a bible, Congress certainly can't.

That means that a President can be sworn in on any book they want, or even no book if they want. It would be constitutionally valid for the President to swear on a Koran. That is what the first amendment is about.

Wow, sounds like you have me all figured out.
You are sooooo smart. So perceptive of motives and yet you couldn't even discern that I am not a male, nor a little child.

I am a grown woman.

But hey, you know EVERYTHING and are a great judge of character, so be on your way and enjoy your sheepledom.

Personally, I'd be sworn in on the Illuminatas Triology. Or something by Aleister Crowley.




Just to make the woo-woo retards freak out.

Well, excuse me.

You are an embarrassment to your gender, which, apart from obvious glaring exceptions such as yourself, I had formerly considered the superior sex.