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Man freezes to death after city limits electricity

 
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Man freezes to death after city limits electricity
BAY CITY, Mich. - A 93-year-old man froze to death inside his home just days after the municipal power company restricted his use of electricity because of unpaid bills, officials said.

Marvin E. Schur died "a slow, painful death," said Kanu Virani, Oakland County's deputy chief medical examiner, who performed the autopsy.

Neighbors discovered Schur's body on Jan. 17. They said the indoor temperature was below 32 degrees at the time, The Bay City Times reported Monday. [link to www.msnbc.msn.com]
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Re: Man freezes to death after city limits electricity
Get used to it.
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01/26/2009 05:41 PM
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Re: Man freezes to death after city limits electricity
Haven't people in Michigan ever heard of down comforters, and electric blankets?
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01/26/2009 05:42 PM
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Re: Man freezes to death after city limits electricity
oh well.. at 93, he led a long full life.
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01/26/2009 05:44 PM
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Re: Man freezes to death after city limits electricity
Haven't people in Michigan ever heard of down comforters, and electric blankets?
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LOL Think about what you just posted "electric blankets"? City limits electricity? Hello?
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01/26/2009 05:47 PM
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Haven't people in Michigan ever heard of down comforters, and electric blankets?
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Electric blanket ... ironic isn't it
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01/26/2009 05:48 PM
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Re: Man freezes to death after city limits electricity
Get used to it.
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Yes, we are going to have to get used to it. The power company did not turn off his power, but restricted power. We, being all of us, cannot manage to support every 93 yo who cannot get to a shelter when the weather is severe.

We don't have the resources. Period.

This guy probably did it "his way" and may be better off for it. We are not to judge.

I heat only half my house in the winter, and if it gets really cold, like single digits, I heat only one room. We'll all have to figure out how to make it with what we've got.

I've grown accustomed to 60 degrees inside the house. If it gets super cold, I can heat my house only to 45-50 degrees, then have to bundle up, but I survive.
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01/26/2009 05:50 PM
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Haven't people in Michigan ever heard of down comforters, and electric blankets?
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um,, 93, probably on a fixed income, limted electricity?? do the math, this kind of shyt is NOT suppose to happen in this country, we're going to keep hearing more stories like this in the future
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how touching that the media promotes and people accept the idea that it's our job and responsibility to micro-manage everyone's lives so that everyone stays safe, no matter what the cost to our freedoms in the process.
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01/26/2009 05:51 PM
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You can judge a society by how they treat their elderly.
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01/26/2009 05:51 PM
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oh well.. at 93, he led a long full life.
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wouldn't care if he was 93 or 9 days old, no one should die like that...slow and painful death,,fuck azz utiliity companies, hope the famly sues, cold weather rule my azz
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01/26/2009 05:52 PM
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OKAY DOWN THEN. My mom grew up in Euprope in the freaking Carpathian Mountains. They didn't have any electricity. They had a fireplace and down beds and comforters. They all were okay.

What do you think people in the pioneer days did in the midwest? Unions suits, wool blankets, etc.
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how touching that the media promotes and people accept the idea that it's our job and responsibility to micro-manage everyone's lives so that everyone stays safe, no matter what the cost to our freedoms in the process.
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I hope bad things for you in the near future
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Re: Man freezes to death after city limits electricity
OKAY DOWN THEN. My mom grew up in Euprope in the freaking Carpathian Mountains. They didn't have any electricity. They had a fireplace and down beds and comforters. They all were okay.

What do you think people in the pioneer days did in the midwest? Unions suits, wool blankets, etc.
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Sure, where I live they heat their homes with their barbeques.

Then they're surprised when they wake up dead from the carbon monoxide...
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You can judge a society by how they treat their elderly.
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I agree.
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01/26/2009 05:56 PM
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people these days are just completely oblivious how good they have it.. they take everything for granted.


again, that's why collapses are necessary parts of society.. to bleed away the excesses, and start anew. bloated empires need cleansing now and then.
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01/26/2009 06:01 PM
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people these days are just completely oblivious how good they have it.. they take everything for granted.


again, that's why collapses are necessary parts of society.. to bleed away the excesses, and start anew. bloated empires need cleansing now and then.
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do you know how to read?? he WAS 93, probably on a fixed income,, stfu about a bloated empire, hope you die in the cold and alone
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01/26/2009 06:01 PM
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Re: Man freezes to death after city limits electricity
the empathy on this thread is amazing.

the old guy FROZE to death.

he might not have been ready to go yet. might've had a hot date at the nursing home that evening.

being cold, really cold, is not fun.
it hurts.

at least he is not hurting anymore now.
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Now there's a law suit waiting to be pressed!
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01/26/2009 06:09 PM
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oh well.. at 93, he led a long full life.
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Oh well . . . 569103 you are an asshole.

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You can judge a society by how they treat their elderly.
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Anyone past at least 90 should be guaranteed utilities no matter what--make that 80. At that age people can lose the ability to keep up with the vital necessities.
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01/26/2009 06:13 PM
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And in America it is pretty shabby.

Sad people can't take responsibility for others.
You can judge a society by how they treat their elderly.
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Anyone past at least 90 should be guaranteed utilities no matter what--make that 80. At that age people can lose the ability to keep up with the vital necessities.
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Good suggestion.
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01/26/2009 07:12 PM
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Re: Man freezes to death after city limits electricity
I am calling those bastards - this is totally unacceptable!@!!! what if that was their father, or brother or uncle -



Bay City Electric Light & Power

900 S. Water Street, Bay City, Michigan 48708

Phone: 989-894-8350 Fax: 989-893-7121

mayor
Charles M. Brunner

301 Washington Ave.
Bay City, MI 48708
989-894-8189 or
989-894-8171
cbrunner@baycitymi.org

and for those of us a little more upset, maybe we should report a homicide to the police department
Bay City Police Department
501 3RD ST
BAY CITY, MI 48708
989-892-8571
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Re: Man freezes to death after city limits electricity
BAY CITY, Mich. - A 93-year-old man froze to death inside his home just days after the municipal power company restricted his use of electricity because of unpaid bills, officials said.

Marvin E. Schur died "a slow, painful death," said Kanu Virani, Oakland County's deputy chief medical examiner, who performed the autopsy.

Neighbors discovered Schur's body on Jan. 17. They said the indoor temperature was below 32 degrees at the time, The Bay City Times reported Monday. [link to www.msnbc.msn.com]
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Oh, that's a big time no no. That city is screwed. It's punishing someone with death for not paying a bill. There should be some criminal wrongdoing in this case.
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01/26/2009 07:14 PM
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Yes, I feel bad for the guy, but couldn't he have found a way to pay the bill? Heating program, some charity place pay it? Get a letter from his doctor saying because of his health he needs the electric on? $1,000 is an awful lot of unpaid money. That isn't one or two monthly bills not paid. If they limited it though couldn't he have gone to his breaker and turned everything off but the kitchen and the heater? He could have even turned off the heater and gone out and bought an electric blanket or an electric heater.

Also, they said that the electric company polices were going to be looked at, but that they did nothing wrong.
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01/26/2009 07:15 PM
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Re: Man freezes to death after city limits electricity
how touching that the media promotes and people accept the idea that it's our job and responsibility to micro-manage everyone's lives so that everyone stays safe, no matter what the cost to our freedoms in the process.
I hope bad things for you in the near future
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Yeah, I agree. I have a 93 year old grandmother and if that had happened to her I would be out for blood. I would be profiling and terminating, one at a time.
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01/26/2009 07:17 PM
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Re: Man freezes to death after city limits electricity
Yes, I feel bad for the guy, but couldn't he have found a way to pay the bill? Heating program, some charity place pay it? Get a letter from his doctor saying because of his health he needs the electric on? $1,000 is an awful lot of unpaid money. That isn't one or two monthly bills not paid. If they limited it though couldn't he have gone to his breaker and turned everything off buy the kitchen and the heater? He could have even turned off the heater and gone out and bought an electric blanket or an electric heater.
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I have a 93 year old grandmother. My father and I have to do everything for her, lucky she has us. This old man may not have known what was going on. Shame on the city's social workers for overlooking this guy.
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Re: Man freezes to death after city limits electricity
Yes, I feel bad for the guy, but couldn't he have found a way to pay the bill? Heating program, some charity place pay it? Get a letter from his doctor saying because of his health he needs the electric on? $1,000 is an awful lot of unpaid money. That isn't one or two monthly bills not paid. If they limited it though couldn't he have gone to his breaker and turned everything off buy the kitchen and the heater? He could have even turned off the heater and gone out and bought an electric blanket or an electric heater.

Also, they said that the electric company polices were going to be looked at, but that they did nothing wrong.
 Quoting: Inspiringmind


Your suggestions are rather complicated for a 93 year old. He may have had Alzheimer's or short term memory loss making it impossible for him to be cognizant to the extreme danger he was in or with the inability to know what to do. The extreme cold was enough to incapacitate him to get the immediate life saving help he needed.
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01/26/2009 07:29 PM
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Re: Man freezes to death after city limits electricity
Another one froze to death in Duluth, MN

[link to kstp.com]
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01/26/2009 07:30 PM
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oh well.. at 93, he led a long full life.
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i would take 93. just saying.
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Re: Man freezes to death after city limits electricity
A letter I sent to the mayor
Dear Mayor,

Look I don't usually write emails to mayors or anyone for that matter that isn't a friend or relative - BUT I HAD to write to you regarding the murder of that 93 year old man who froze to death because his electricity was turned off!!!!!

I want this investigated, stopped, others spared the same stupid fate in your backward little city that kills people instead of helping them. What if that was your grandfather, father, brother uncle! Heads MUST roll for this MUST!!!!!

This is absolutely the most horrendous, awful thing I have read about the degredation of our country that I have heard since Bush lied us into war!!!!!

Shame shame shame on all those responsible and all those accomplices, and complacents that allowed this to happen to a 93 year old grandfather!!!

A public apology is DEMANDED! Not for me - but for our collective soul that has been slapped in the face by this inhumanity done to a fellow human being!

-ac


and for those of you who think it wasn't their fault - I am sorry but ANYONE WHO LIVES IN -30 TEMPERATURES KNOWS THAT SHUTTING OFF A PERSONS SOURCE OF HEAT IS A DEATH SENTENCE!!!!! A 93 YEAR OLD DUDE! we actually ARE our brothers keepers!!!!! SO YES, IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO CARE!