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Minot AFB Puzzle is SOLVED. *WARNING* If you live in OREGON, ARIZONA, OR GUAM, GET OUT!

 
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Oh, I'm sure. Though, I'm partial to believing at least one would happen here. Everyone would blame the "terrorists" without giving it a second thought.

Bomb
Chaos
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Welcome to 1984.
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yep, yep. course, uncounted there were six...three for these cities for false flag..oregon, arizona, guam...and that would create chaos/fear...not sure about surrender though...leaving possibly three more for other actions...as was stated in the proposing:

"8:00 A.M. - Crew from Minot Air Force Base prepares 12 AGM-129 missiles, all of which were supposedly assumed to be "dummy," training warheads, for transport to Barksdale AFB via B-52H Stratofortress. 6 missiles are loaded onto each pylon, which will in turn be placed under each wing.

Instead of being loaded with 12 "dummies," 6 of the missiles on the aircraft contain actual, nuclear warheads. Each of which carry a "dialable," 150-kiloton W80-1 warhead, for a combined total of 60- times the destructive power of the bomb that landed on Hiroshima in 1945."
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Ahem, pin?

Let's get more thought on this.


No fucking pin! Drop it.
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:-P
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"Instead of being loaded with 12 "dummies," 6 of the missiles on the aircraft contain actual, nuclear warheads. Each of which carry a "dialable," 150-kiloton W80-1 warhead, for a combined total of 60- times the destructive power of the bomb that landed on Hiroshima in 1945."



crazy.
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I'm with you, OP, but only to a certain extent.

I do believe that those warheads are in play now, but I wouldn't be so sure that they're confined to the three areas that you mentioned.

Ever watched Jericho?



I haven't actually. Should I check it out?

True, there are most likely more locations, and I honestly think Blackwater may be a part of it. But that's neither here nor there regarding this specific thread.

Do you see where I got those three locations, though?
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Yes, you should check out Jericho, OP.

A shadow-government gets ahold of 23 nukes, and using vans, distributes them to 23 U.S. cities, where they are detonated in order to blame (I believe) N. Korea.

The show even had it's own version of Blackwater, called "Ravenwood".

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"8/29/07

8:00 A.M. - Crew from Minot Air Force Base prepares 12 AGM-129 missiles, all of which were supposedly assumed to be "dummy," training warheads, for transport to Barksdale AFB via B-52H Stratofortress. 6 missiles are loaded onto each pylon, which will in turn be placed under each wing.

Instead of being loaded with 12 "dummies," 6 of the missiles on the aircraft contain actual, nuclear warheads. Each of which carry a "dialable," 150-kiloton W80-1 warhead, for a combined total of 60- times the destructive power of the bomb that landed on Hiroshima in 1945."




so who authorized the release of the six nuclear warheads? who was working security?
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Just a few other interesting things to take a look at.

Note: these are not mine.


"Philip Coyle, a senior advisor at the Center for Defense Information who served as assistant secretary of defense in the Clinton administration, calls the incident "astonishing" and "unbelievable." He says, "This wasn't just a mistake. I've counted, and at least 20 things had to have gone wrong for this to have occurred."

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MOVING A WEAPON FROM STORAGE TO AN AIRCRAFT

Below are the basic steps required to remove any nuclear weapon from storage and load it onto an aircraft, according to a former USAF officer:

* Orders to remove a nuclear weapon from storage must come down from the top of the military chain of command.

* The ordinance officer in charge of the storage area must sign off.

* A safety officer must sign off.

* There are ordinance personnel who physically handle the weapons to move them from storage. They will have knowledge of movement of weaponry as well.

* The B52 pilot would have to sign off to complete the chain of custody.

* A retired USAF pilot told me, "You would know you had the weapons on board. Your aircraft will take-off differently and handle differently."

* Several ordinance personnel are required to mount these weapons on the aircraft. This requires several trained and certified ordinance personnel to handle the weapons. Weapons must also be connected into the aircraft's ordinance firing system so the weapon to receive arming data. Lights on a control panel inside the aircraft would indicate the presence of the nuclear cruise missiles, providing further indication that the wing mounted missile carriers were NOT empty.

* Pilots perform their own inspection of aircraft they are about to fly. This is true in the civilian world as well as in the military. Such inspections can be bypassed, such as when a scramble takes place with fighter planes. Either way, It would be impossible for a pilot not to notice nuclear missiles hanging under the wings, in the place of what should be "dummy" training missiles, as nuclear weapons are very clearly marked.

* There are also checklists, which pilots must run before the wheels are allowed to roll. Yet, we are to believe the pilot and crew knew nothing about nuclear weapons being aboard? Would any pilot want to roll the wheels unless these weapons were AUTHORIZED to be on-board? After all, he has to sign for them under the chain of custody, right?

~~~

Various experts familiar with nuclear-weapons-handling protocols express astonishment at what happened on Aug. 29 and 30. After all, over the course of more than six decades, the protocols for handling nuclear arms have called for at least two people at every step, with paper trails, bar codes, and real-time computer tracking of every warhead in the arsenal. Nothing like this has been known to have happened before. Air Force Gen. Eugene Habiger, who served as US Strategic Command chief from 1996 to 1998, told the Post, "I a have been in the nuclear business since 1966 and am not aware of any incident more disturbing."

~~~

Bruce Blair, a former Air Force nuclear launch officer who is now president of the World Security Institute, says that the explanation of the incident as laid out in the Washington Post, and in the limited statements from the Air Force and Department of Defense, which call it a "mistake," are "incomplete." He notes that no mention has been made as to whether the nukes in question, which had been pre-mounted on a pylon for attachment to the B-52 wing, had their PAL (permission action link) codes unlocked to make them operational, or whether a system on board the plane that would ordinarily prevent an unauthorized launch had been activated. "For all we know, these missiles could have been fully operational," he says.

~~~

To date, more than a month after the incident, Pentagon investigators have completely ignored a peculiar cluster of six deaths, during the weeks immediately preceding and following the flight, of personnel at the two Air Force bases involved in the incident and at Air Force Commando Operations headquarters.

Police and medical examiners in the Frueh and Blue cases say no federal investigators, whether from DOD or FBI, have called them. Worse still, because the B-52 incident got so little media attention -- no coverage in most local news -- none of those investigating the accidents and suicides even knew about it or about the other deaths.

"It would have been interesting to know all that when I was examining Mr. Blue's body," says Virginia coroner Mike Stoker, "but no one told me about any of it or asked me about him."

"If we had known that several people had died under questionable circumstances, it might have affected how we'd look at a body, says Don Phillips, the sheriff's deputy in Washington State who investigated the Frueh death. "But nobody from the federal government has ever contacted us about this."

"Certainly, in a case like this, the suicides should be a red flag," says Hans Kristensen, a nuclear-affairs expert with the Federation of American Scientists. "It's wild speculation to think that there might be some connection between the deaths and the incident, but it certainly should be investigated."
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those loading the missiles on would realize they were nuclear.

they have to have some sort of electric alarms if they're touched by anyone unauthorized...right?
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"8/29/07

8:00 A.M. - Crew from Minot Air Force Base prepares 12 AGM-129 missiles, all of which were supposedly assumed to be "dummy," training warheads, for transport to Barksdale AFB via B-52H Stratofortress. 6 missiles are loaded onto each pylon, which will in turn be placed under each wing.

Instead of being loaded with 12 "dummies," 6 of the missiles on the aircraft contain actual, nuclear warheads. Each of which carry a "dialable," 150-kiloton W80-1 warhead, for a combined total of 60- times the destructive power of the bomb that landed on Hiroshima in 1945."




so who authorized the release of the six nuclear warheads? who was working security?
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Damn good question.

This type of "mistake" doesn't happen.
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those loading the missiles on would realize they were nuclear.

they have to have some sort of electric alarms if they're touched by anyone unauthorized...right?
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True! Hot ion alarms, I think they're called. They must have been disabled.

This is where I mention that Captain Frueh's AFSOC training included specialization in electronic warfare.
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those loading the missiles on would realize they were nuclear.

they have to have some sort of electric alarms if they're touched by anyone unauthorized...right?



True! Hot ion alarms, I think they're called. They must have been disabled.

This is where I mention that Captain Frueh's AFSOC training included specialization in electronic warfare.
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If they can disable Norad they can these as well.
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Ahem, pin?

Let's get more thought on this.


No fucking pin! Drop it.
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And I just now realized how I missed the "pin drop" pun/witty remark.

Damn.
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Hey OP you might want to check this out. Right around the same time as the B-52 crash there was a B-1 that went down as well. It supposedly crashed on takeoff and no mention was made on MSM at the time then suddenly a couple of months later out of the blue it's all over MSM with a video. At the time Sorcha Fall who never gets it right was writing about rogue planes and that the Navy had been ordered to shoot down a rogue Airforce Bomber this supposedly came from intercepted communications. Supposedly the bomber had been ordered to land and when it neither acknowledged the communication or disobeyed it the Aircraft Carrier close by was ordered to use its assets. Sounded like fighters to force the plane to land or shoot it down. Check GLP I think it was the period March through May last year.
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those loading the missiles on would realize they were nuclear.

they have to have some sort of electric alarms if they're touched by anyone unauthorized...right?



True! Hot ion alarms, I think they're called. They must have been disabled.

This is where I mention that Captain Frueh's AFSOC training included specialization in electronic warfare.

If they can disable Norad they can these as well.
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Touche.

It wouldn't be difficult at all with Def. Sec. Gates at the wheel.
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5a
Hey OP you might want to check this out. Right around the same time as the B-52 crash there was a B-1 that went down as well. It supposedly crashed on takeoff and no mention was made on MSM at the time then suddenly a couple of months later out of the blue it's all over MSM with a video. At the time Sorcha Fall who never gets it right was writing about rogue planes and that the Navy had been ordered to shoot down a rogue Airforce Bomber this supposedly came from intercepted communications. Supposedly the bomber had been ordered to land and when it neither acknowledged the communication or disobeyed it the Aircraft Carrier close by was ordered to use its assets. Sounded like fighters to force the plane to land or shoot it down. Check GLP I think it was the period March through May last year.
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Interesting. Any chance I could get a link?
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Thread: If you live in Oregon, Guam, or Arizona...GET OUT.

Here's a simpler version, for those who don't want to go through the entirety of the timeline...


...but you should.
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Thanks to everyone for your responses regarding this subject. It looks like this thread is about to die, which is a bit depressing, but all is well.

I'll reformat the timeline / links / etc. into something more easily comprehensible to post up later on / tomorrow.

I hope none of this is true, but I would still put money on it.
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well there are a few things that have happened off the coastline of Oregon ,Tillamook County, during "war games" that was odd. There was a national guard plane that went down right near the shoreline of Rockaway. Yet the local newspapers reported it to be off the coast 30 miles north at Cannon Beach.
I also observed black ships being at this site for 3 days after...June 2007.
The pilot had already been removed that day. (He died on impact.)
Why not regular coastguard?
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5a
Hey OP you might want to check this out. Right around the same time as the B-52 crash there was a B-1 that went down as well. It supposedly crashed on takeoff and no mention was made on MSM at the time then suddenly a couple of months later out of the blue it's all over MSM with a video. At the time Sorcha Fall who never gets it right was writing about rogue planes and that the Navy had been ordered to shoot down a rogue Airforce Bomber this supposedly came from intercepted communications. Supposedly the bomber had been ordered to land and when it neither acknowledged the communication or disobeyed it the Aircraft Carrier close by was ordered to use its assets. Sounded like fighters to force the plane to land or shoot it down. Check GLP I think it was the period March through May last year.


Interesting. Any chance I could get a link?
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5a

I'm not sure how one can find the links easily ask the Mods that one. I suppose if you check the week of the event and the one directly after might be a way to go but mucho time consuming.
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well there are a few things that have happened off the coastline of Oregon ,Tillamook County, during "war games" that was odd. There was a national guard plane that went down right near the shoreline of Rockaway. Yet the local newspapers reported it to be off the coast 30 miles north at Cannon Beach.
I also observed black ships being at this site for 3 days after...June 2007.
The pilot had already been removed that day. (He died on impact.)
Why not regular coastguard?
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JUNE 2008 ,I mean.
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well there are a few things that have happened off the coastline of Oregon ,Tillamook County, during "war games" that was odd. There was a national guard plane that went down right near the shoreline of Rockaway. Yet the local newspapers reported it to be off the coast 30 miles north at Cannon Beach.
I also observed black ships being at this site for 3 days after...June 2007.
The pilot had already been removed that day. (He died on impact.)
Why not regular coastguard?
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Oh yeah! I remember reading about that.

Check this one out, too. Could be nothing, but everything's worth at least one check, right?

What do you think?

[link to blog.oregonlive.com]
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I would bet that the supposed "dead" PILOT Billionaire Steve Fossett will play a role in this somehow.
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well there are a few things that have happened off the coastline of Oregon ,Tillamook County, during "war games" that was odd. There was a national guard plane that went down right near the shoreline of Rockaway. Yet the local newspapers reported it to be off the coast 30 miles north at Cannon Beach.
I also observed black ships being at this site for 3 days after...June 2007.
The pilot had already been removed that day. (He died on impact.)
Why not regular coastguard?



Oh yeah! I remember reading about that.

Check this one out, too. Could be nothing, but everything's worth at least one check, right?

What do you think?

[link to blog.oregonlive.com]
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Yeah, I had not heard of that ...the Salmonberry is also a strange point of interest . The state wanted to make a State Park up there but the locals protested. Then, strangely, they made a big private access road from the area that the trans-pacific fiber optic cable comes from Asia up to the Salmonberry . There were out of state dump trucks coming down from there all hours of the night loaded with rock. Yes,DOWN from there. To build a road I would think they would be taking rock to it. Posted on a sign leading to hwy. 101said "No access to unauthorized"...etc. And was posted by a company called Evergreen. I looked them up. They are a private security outfit. Strange .
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well there are a few things that have happened off the coastline of Oregon ,Tillamook County, during "war games" that was odd. There was a national guard plane that went down right near the shoreline of Rockaway. Yet the local newspapers reported it to be off the coast 30 miles north at Cannon Beach.
I also observed black ships being at this site for 3 days after...June 2007.
The pilot had already been removed that day. (He died on impact.)
Why not regular coastguard?



Oh yeah! I remember reading about that.

Check this one out, too. Could be nothing, but everything's worth at least one check, right?

What do you think?

[link to blog.oregonlive.com]


Yeah, I had not heard of that ...the Salmonberry is also a strange point of interest . The state wanted to make a State Park up there but the locals protested. Then, strangely, they made a big private access road from the area that the trans-pacific fiber optic cable comes from Asia up to the Salmonberry . There were out of state dump trucks coming down from there all hours of the night loaded with rock. Yes,DOWN from there. To build a road I would think they would be taking rock to it. Posted on a sign leading to hwy. 101said "No access to unauthorized"...etc. And was posted by a company called Evergreen. I looked them up. They are a private security outfit. Strange .
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Evergreen.

You may have just opened up a whole new chapter, man.
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Yeah, what "they" are doing is very curious.
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Yeah, what "they" are doing is very curious.
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Any way you could find me a link to their main site?
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Great post, OP, very interesting. Thanks. :)
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first off, thanks op, great info.
i think when you get to this level of conspiracy (and that's what it is when we have missing nukes, given all the steps required BY THE MILITARY to ensure the protection of nukes), it's hard for most people to accept. it's too much going on, too many people involved to be "credible" (ala 9/11 conspiracy).

but that's exactly why this becomes credible, because so many were involved, so many have been silenced, and ultimately, "never believe anything until it's officially been denied".

I hope you dont touch a nerve with TPTB op, that could lead to bad news for you. have you looked into making an analysis for wikileaks?
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stfu OP...bsflag
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first off, thanks op, great info.
i think when you get to this level of conspiracy (and that's what it is when we have missing nukes, given all the steps required BY THE MILITARY to ensure the protection of nukes), it's hard for most people to accept. it's too much going on, too many people involved to be "credible" (ala 9/11 conspiracy).

but that's exactly why this becomes credible, because so many were involved, so many have been silenced, and ultimately, "never believe anything until it's officially been denied".

I hope you dont touch a nerve with TPTB op, that could lead to bad news for you. have you looked into making an analysis for wikileaks?
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Embarrassingly, I don't actually know what TPTB stands for. And what do you mean by wikileaks?

Damn my nonsense :P
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I have seen somewhere on the web related to some source I failed to record that was talking about this company as a security company.
And so I looked for it and came up with their parent company "Evergreen Holdings Inc." and with that said they are listed on the Homeland Security site as a vendor. I'm not too sure how to provide the link...sorry.

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