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In defense of Internet pornography

Clemson study links rape drop to Internet

By Bob Dyer
Beacon Journal columnist

Published on Thursday, Jan 29, 2009

Sex crimes among Summit County juveniles are at their lowest rate since record-keeping began in 1989. Officials are baffled as to why.

Well, I can tell them why, and I can tell them in just one word: porn.

Never has pornography been more readily available. The hardest of hard-core smut can be seen every day by anybody with a computer and an Internet connection.

Isn't porn supposed to lead to more sexual abuse of girls and women? Well, that was the theory, voiced constantly and vehemently for decades. But statistics show precisely the opposite.

During the 15-year period ending in 2008, the rate of forcible rape dropped a staggering 30 percent nationwide.

In 1992 — the Dark Ages of the Internet — about 43 people were raped among every 100,000 Americans, according to the FBI's Uniform Crime Report. Since then, the rate has dropped to 30 per 100,000.

With rare exceptions — so rare that they make front-page news — males are the sexual predators, not females. Males are much more easily stimulated visually. And if they can see virtually anything they want at any time, for free, without even leaving their house, maybe that's not such a bad thing — at least in terms of crime prevention.

To be sure, rape is a crime of violence. But it's also a crime of lust. And if somebody who is twisted enough to contemplate rape is now taking matters into his own hands, so to speak, perhaps his blinding drive for immediate gratification is safely eliminated.

Speculation that stricter laws have led to the local decrease in juvenile sex crimes is laughable. The inner workings of a worked-up juvenile mind, when contemplating an attack, simply do not include this thought: ''Gosh, I'd better not do this because now sex offenders have to register their address more often.''

Speculation that more sex crimes are going unreported also seems silly. Never has a society been more open about matters of sex and violence. Watched any TV lately?

Educational campaigns also have made it more likely, not less likely, that victims will speak out.

But some local experts aren't buying my theory.

Karen Cimini, a psychologist at Akron Family Institute whose specialities include sexual issues, says rape ''has more to do with control and power.''

She suggests that one reason for the drop is that ''perhaps we're getting better at protecting ourselves.''

OK, but 30 percent better?

''It's an interesting question to me, and I don't have anything scientific to offer you, other than my gut says there's not a link.''

A colleague of hers, Mike Smith, frequently provides court-ordered counseling to sex offenders. He isn't buying my theory, either.

Although he says potential rapists might be drawn to Web sites that enact rape, ''that doesn't in my estimation quench their thirst.''

Mixed in with their issues of power, control and anger, Smith says, is ''having that actual victim there in front of you that you're controlling and forcing to do your will.''

He agrees that harsher penalties are not a deterrent to juvenile sex offenders — ''Most of them don't know anything about [the laws] until after they're caught'' — but, he says, something else might be at work, statistically speaking.


Since the state beefed up its registration and reporting requirements for juvenile sex offenders, he says, the justice system is pulling its punches.

''The juvenile courts are tending to not charge as high as they used to because of that law. Many of the people involved in the courts don't feel that that law is truly beneficial or appropriate. And I would have to agree.''

In other words, a teen who once would have been charged with sexual assault might now be charged only with assault.

Still, that doesn't explain the nationwide plunge in sex crimes. And there's actually some legitimate research that suggests an inverse connection between Internet access and sex crimes.

In 2006, a Clemson University professor presented a paper at Stanford Law School showing that states where the Internet had expanded the most enjoyed the biggest declines in rape. He said a 10 percent increase in Internet access resulted in a 7 percent decrease in rape.

Obviously, there's no easy way to prove or disprove this theory.

Cimini's gut tells her there's no connection. My gut tells me something else.

My gut says that, although easy porn might not be the total explanation, it's a big part of it.

After all, we do refer to these attacks as ''sex'' crimes.
Bob Dyer can be reached at 330-996-3580 or bdyer@thebeaconjournal.com.



Sex crimes among Summit County juveniles are at their lowest rate since record-keeping began in 1989. Officials are baffled as to why.

Well, I can tell them why, and I can tell them in just one word: porn.

Never has pornography been more readily available. The hardest of hard-core smut can be seen every day by anybody with a computer and an Internet connection.

Isn't porn supposed to lead to more sexual abuse of girls and women? Well, that was the theory, voiced constantly and vehemently for decades. But statistics show precisely the opposite.

During the 15-year period ending in 2008, the rate of forcible rape dropped a staggering 30 percent nationwide.

In 1992 — the Dark Ages of the Internet — about 43 people were raped among every 100,000 Americans, according to the FBI's Uniform Crime Report. Since then, the rate has dropped to 30 per 100,000.

With rare exceptions — so rare that they make front-page news — males are the sexual predators, not females. Males are much more easily stimulated visually. And if they can see virtually anything they want at any time, for free, without even leaving their house, maybe that's not such a bad thing — at least in terms of crime prevention.

To be sure, rape is a crime of violence. But it's also a crime of lust. And if somebody who is twisted enough to contemplate rape is now taking matters into his own hands, so to speak, perhaps his blinding drive for immediate gratification is safely eliminated.

Speculation that stricter laws have led to the local decrease in juvenile sex crimes is laughable. The inner workings of a worked-up juvenile mind, when contemplating an attack, simply do not include this thought: ''Gosh, I'd better not do this because now sex offenders have to register their address more often.''

Speculation that more sex crimes are going unreported also seems silly. Never has a society been more open about matters of sex and violence. Watched any TV lately?

Educational campaigns also have made it more likely, not less likely, that victims will speak out.

But some local experts aren't buying my theory.

Karen Cimini, a psychologist at Akron Family Institute whose specialities include sexual issues, says rape ''has more to do with control and power.''

She suggests that one reason for the drop is that ''perhaps we're getting better at protecting ourselves.''

OK, but 30 percent better?

''It's an interesting question to me, and I don't have anything scientific to offer you, other than my gut says there's not a link.''

A colleague of hers, Mike Smith, frequently provides court-ordered counseling to sex offenders. He isn't buying my theory, either.

Although he says potential rapists might be drawn to Web sites that enact rape, ''that doesn't in my estimation quench their thirst.''

Mixed in with their issues of power, control and anger, Smith says, is ''having that actual victim there in front of you that you're controlling and forcing to do your will.''

He agrees that harsher penalties are not a deterrent to juvenile sex offenders — ''Most of them don't know anything about [the laws] until after they're caught'' — but, he says, something else might be at work, statistically speaking.


Since the state beefed up its registration and reporting requirements for juvenile sex offenders, he says, the justice system is pulling its punches.

''The juvenile courts are tending to not charge as high as they used to because of that law. Many of the people involved in the courts don't feel that that law is truly beneficial or appropriate. And I would have to agree.''

In other words, a teen who once would have been charged with sexual assault might now be charged only with assault.

Still, that doesn't explain the nationwide plunge in sex crimes. And there's actually some legitimate research that suggests an inverse connection between Internet access and sex crimes.

In 2006, a Clemson University professor presented a paper at Stanford Law School showing that states where the Internet had expanded the most enjoyed the biggest declines in rape. He said a 10 percent increase in Internet access resulted in a 7 percent decrease in rape.

Obviously, there's no easy way to prove or disprove this theory.

Cimini's gut tells her there's no connection. My gut tells me something else.

My gut says that, although easy porn might not be the total explanation, it's a big part of it.

After all, we do refer to these attacks as ''sex'' crimes.
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And it seems so real I can feel it
And it seems so real I can taste it
And it seems so real I can hear it
So why can't I touch it?
So why can't I touch it?


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I wouldn't have clicked on this thread if it had been posted by anyone but you.
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I wouldn't have clicked on this thread if it had been posted by anyone but you.
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Well it seems so real I can see it
And it seems so real I can feel it
And it seems so real I can taste it
And it seems so real I can hear it
So why can't I touch it?
So why can't I touch it?


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I was expecting pictures.


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I wouldn't have clicked on this thread if it had been posted by anyone but you.
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exactly rose


rofl
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I think we know better than that.

churchlady

Who do you think is producing this backroom pron? hmmmm.

Could it be RAPIST!
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"Experts" usually say rape is about dominance and control moreso than sex.

Porn allows men to get aroused and then.. uh... takes matters into their own hands, after which, obviously, the sexual urge is dramatically lessened.

That's not to say that porn is a good thing, but this could be a beneficial outcome.

And experts rarely see the simple and obvious explanations for anything. They have to make it complicated and more difficult to understand and, of course, more necessary for them to explain it to us dumbasses in their "expertise."

Otherwise, what the fuck would we need those "experts" for?
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I was expecting pictures.


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slaphim
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it."
- Frédéric Bastiat

food, water, ammo, weapons, battery back up solar, hand well pump, wood stove and 1 year of food...oh yeah PM's too...good luck
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Otherwise, what the fuck would we need those "experts" for?
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You do realize that someone got a sizable grant to research internet porn, right?
Well it seems so real I can see it
And it seems so real I can feel it
And it seems so real I can taste it
And it seems so real I can hear it
So why can't I touch it?
So why can't I touch it?


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Otherwise, what the fuck would we need those "experts" for?


You do realize that someone got a sizable grant to research internet porn, right?
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no not bailout money...say it aint so
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it."
- Frédéric Bastiat

food, water, ammo, weapons, battery back up solar, hand well pump, wood stove and 1 year of food...oh yeah PM's too...good luck
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Otherwise, what the fuck would we need those "experts" for?


You do realize that someone got a sizable grant to research internet porn, right?
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Of course.
Common-sense now requires a link citation...
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Otherwise, what the fuck would we need those "experts" for?


You do realize that someone got a sizable grant to research internet porn, right?
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You said sizable. Heh
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Otherwise, what the fuck would we need those "experts" for?


You do realize that someone got a sizable grant to research internet porn, right?
 Quoting: Babe in a Bunker

I've gotta sizable Grant for em.
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Otherwise, what the fuck would we need those "experts" for?


You do realize that someone got a sizable grant to research internet porn, right?


You said sizable. Heh
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OMG, you just said it, too!
Well it seems so real I can see it
And it seems so real I can feel it
And it seems so real I can taste it
And it seems so real I can hear it
So why can't I touch it?
So why can't I touch it?


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Otherwise, what the fuck would we need those "experts" for?


You do realize that someone got a sizable grant to research internet porn, right?


You said sizable. Heh


OMG, you just said it, too!
 Quoting: Babe in a Bunker


Oh shit!
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hells yeah


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I wouldn't have clicked on this thread if it had been posted by anyone but you.


exactly rose


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Same here, read the title, rolled eyes, then saw Babe posted it, and had to click on it, because anything BiaB posts usually means lots of laugh

Another cheer for internet porn, the one thing that has given us so much (jpegs, mpegs, streaming video, high bandwidth, etc.) If it wasn't for the thrill of downloading something entirely wicked, we'd all still be using 300 baud modems and green text screens.

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Read and heed you bible thumpers.
I was in a long drawn out argument with one the other day about this.
My question was where in the bible does it say it is even just unholy to see a womans body (I know pron is pretty vague but thats all I would be interested in)?

ITs my feelings that who ever led people to believe this was out of jealousy because his wife was a little promiscuous. Then to get people on his side that the womans body is SO bad to look at. "It says it in the bible".
I dont know, I guess I was more in the mood to talk about it with her the other night. It came out awesome and she ended up apologizing. She wouldnt let me tap it though.
I dont want to be cliche, but too many people just live by the word of others....followers.
Everyone has their own agenda. Most will go to far lengths to prove their points. You should have the right to feel what you want about every issue. I find it appalling that our government is so strict with porn. I wasnt brought up that way.
Its time that people and the government mind their own fucking business.
They have the power to create reality

I could explain it better but I would need charts, graphs and an easel.

By the way....which ones pink?
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putin

why?
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