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Message Subject Question for The Vegans/Veggies
Poster Handle mirabilis
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Yes the entire population in the world could live in australia and have just over an acre for each family, that would leave the entire rest of the world for farming and animal habitat.

The problem is not lack of space for providing food, this arguement the anti meat brigade use is BS.

The problem is corruption, people are starving because very nasty people in power benefit from the world being in such an awful state, it has nothing to do with the production side of things, there is enough land to provide food for the entire population.
 Quoting: HannibalTheCannibal


There is also the slight problem that much of the land in the world is unsuitable for growing crops, either because it is desert or one sort or another, or at too high an elevation, or contaminated with salt or already over-used to the point of destruction. Large areas of land also have to be allowed to stay uncultivated to allow for natural run-off etc or there will be problems with flash flooding as has been seen recently in the UK.

I don't doubt however that at present corruption also plays its part in starvation.

Yes, because i am contained within the confines of this shell, my survival is paramount and the most important thing.
 Quoting: HannibalTheCannibal


Well obviously I don't need to argue this point because you already know how very subjective and limited this argument is, and that absolutely anything can be supported by it, including killing your a man on the street because he has money and you do not. This is not an argument that is able to support a civilised society and it is the reason we have laws, because the logical and very rapid outcome of that argument is anarchy.

Where was that moral yo-yoing when they layed that fibre optic cable for your internet under the sea destorying animal habbit.

Or when they launched that satelite poluting and destroying the environment.

Do you own a car? Tractor? Do you use electricity from a powerstation? Natural Gas?

 Quoting: HannibalTheCannibal


None of this has anything to do with the present discussion - I will happily debate any of it with you in another thread but for now please try to stick to the relevant subject or you will only stand accused of 'straw man' arguments.

However i know enough about philsophy to kow that once you claim to be of higher moral fibre than your peers, it can all start to fall apart with moral paradoxes pretty quickly
 Quoting: HannibalTheCannibal


I believe that you are confusing moral superiority with superiority as a human being. I can believe that my morals regarding the eating of meat are better than yours without believing that I am a better person than you are. Not all morals are equal in value and moral relativism is a dangerous path to walk. I don't imagine for an instant that you hold all morals to be equal in value do you? But I assume that you would hold all humans to be equal in value irrespective of their moral or ethical convictions? If I choose to be a vegetarian of course I hold that moral stance to be the superior moral stance, else I would not hold that conviction. No-one says "the correct moral stance is to be honest but I will choose to be dishonest instead", rather they convince themselves that in this instance the correct moral stance is to be dishonest (or they don't consider the question at all of course). I doubt that you consider your own moral postions to be inferior to those of others do you?
 
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