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Eighteen and pregnant, Sycloria Williams went to an abortion clinic outside Miami and paid $1,200 for Dr. Pierre Jean-Jacque Renelique to terminate her 23-week pregnancy.

Three days later, she sat in a reclining chair, medicated to dilate her cervix and otherwise get her ready for the procedure.

Only Renelique didn't arrive in time. According to Williams and the Florida Department of Health, she went into labor and delivered a live baby girl.

What Williams and the Health Department say happened next has shocked people on both sides of the abortion debate: One of the clinic's owners, who has no medical license, cut the infant's umbilical cord. Williams says the woman placed the baby in a plastic biohazard bag and threw it out.

Police recovered the decomposing remains in a cardboard box a week later after getting anonymous tips.

"I don't care what your politics are, what your morals are, this should not be happening in our community," said Tom Pennekamp, a Miami attorney representing Williams in her lawsuit against Renelique (ren-uh-LEEK') and the clinic owners.

The state Board of Medicine is to hear Renelique's case in Tampa on Friday and determine whether to strip his license. The state attorney's homicide division is investigating, though no charges have been filed. Terry Chavez, a spokeswoman with the Miami-Dade County State Attorney's Office, said this week that prosecutors were nearing a decision.

Renelique's attorney, Joseph Harrison, called the allegations at best "misguided and incomplete" in an e-mail to The Associated Press. He didn't provide details.

The case has riled the anti-abortion community, which contends the clinic's actions constitute murder.

"The baby was just treated as a piece of garbage," said Tom Brejcha, president of The Thomas More Society, a law firm that is also representing Williams. "People all over the country are just aghast."

Even those who support abortion rights are concerned about the allegations.

"It really disturbed me," said Joanne Sterner, president of the Broward County chapter of the National Organization for Women, after reviewing the administrative complaint against Renelique. "I know that there are clinics out there like this. And I hope that we can keep (women) from going to these types of clinics."

According to state records, Renelique received his medical training at the State University of Haiti. In 1991, he completed a four-year residency in obstetrics and gynecology at Interfaith Medical Center in New York.

New York records show that Renelique has made at least five medical malpractice payments in the past decade, the circumstances of which were not detailed in the filings.

Several attempts to reach Renelique were unsuccessful. Some of his office numbers were disconnected, no home number could be found and he did not return messages left with his attorney.

Williams struggled with the decision to have an abortion, Pennekamp said. She declined an interview request made through him.

She concluded she didn't have the resources or maturity to raise a child, he said, and went to the Miramar Women's Center on July 17, 2006. Sonograms indicated she was 23 weeks pregnant, according to the Department of Health. She met Renelique at a second clinic two days later.

Renelique gave Williams laminaria, a drug that dilates the cervix, and prescribed three other medications, according to the administrative complaint filed by the Health Department. She was told to go to yet another clinic, A Gyn Diagnostic Center in Hialeah, where the procedure would be performed the next day, on July 20, 2006.

Williams arrived in the morning and was given more medication.

The Department of Health account continues as follows: Just before noon she began to feel ill. The clinic contacted Renelique. Two hours later, he still hadn't shown up. Williams went into labor and delivered the baby.

"She came face to face with a human being," Pennekamp said. "And that changed everything."

The complaint says one of the clinic owners, Belkis Gonzalez came in and cut the umbilical cord with scissors, then placed the baby in a plastic bag, and the bag in a trash can.

Williams' lawsuit offers a cruder account: She says Gonzalez knocked the baby off the recliner chair where she had given birth, onto the floor. The baby's umbilical cord was not clamped, allowing her to bleed out. Gonzalez scooped the baby, placenta and afterbirth into a red plastic biohazard bag and threw it out.

No working telephone number could be found for Gonzalez, and an attorney who has represented the clinic in the past did not return a message.

At 23 weeks, an otherwise healthy fetus would have a slim but legitimate chance of survival. Quadruplets born at 23 weeks last year at The Nebraska Medical Center survived.

An autopsy determined Williams' baby - she named her Shanice - had filled her lungs with air, meaning she had been born alive, according to the Department of Health. The cause of death was listed as extreme prematurity.

The Department of Health believes Renelique committed malpractice by failing to ensure that licensed personnel would be present when Williams was there, among other missteps.

The department wants the Board of Medicine, a separate agency, to permanently revoke Renelique's license, among other penalties. His license is currently restricted, permitting him to only perform abortions when another licensed physician is present and can review his medical records.

Should prosecutors file murder charges, they'd have to prove the baby was born alive, said Robert Batey, a professor of criminal law at Stetson University College of Law in Gulfport. The defense might contend that the child would have died anyway, but most courts would not allow that argument, he said.

"Hastening the death of an individual who is terminally ill is still considered causing the death of that individual," Batey said. "And I think a court would rule similarly in this type of case."
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I thank Ron Paul for finally making me see that abortion is murder.
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Black people...........
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this is what happens when satan rules. its horrific.

my daughter said to me the other day " i remember samantha, one day she was pregnant and the next not" 5 months had abortion.

this world is soooooooooo sick sick sick
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After 23 weeks, you think a decent human being would just go through the remaining weeks and put the baby up for adoption. This is murder through and through. I hope they prosecure all parties involved. Does no one use birth control anymore. Fucking amazing.
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I had an abortion in 1971. Rove v Wade had just been decided and the womens "liberation" movement was in full swing. I was 17. It took years for me to see that young women were being brainwashed and manipulated by anti life eugenists. I regret my decision and hope that young women will see the truth on this matter.

If you know any pregnant young women who are afraid, BE SUPPORTIVE and let them know that life is sacred.
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I nticed that this thread went from 5 stars (2 votes) to 3 stars (4 votes). The anti life crowd will get bent over this reality being posted.
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Down to 2.5 stars, now.

Planned Parenthood bots must be here, lol.
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this is a pretty disgusting incident, but the actions of the clinic owner should in no way reflect upon the overall pro-choice movement.
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this is a pretty disgusting incident, but the actions of the clinic owner should in no way reflect upon the overall pro-choice movement.
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Yes, it should. Lots of babies survive abortion. I had a cousin (a doctor) who told me she had seen it. The live baby she saw aborted was drown.
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No it's the anti-democrats that will vote this thread down to zero.

You guys always pull shit out of a rabbits ass to make it seem so bad, especially when the democrats have a probability of ruling on these issues.

What I noticed the most was the graphical use of words, and how the whole of it is blown out of proportion to what actually happened.
I nticed that this thread went from 5 stars (2 votes) to 3 stars (4 votes). The anti life crowd will get bent over this reality being posted.
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this is a pretty disgusting incident, but the actions of the clinic owner should in no way reflect upon the overall pro-choice movement.
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Please fuck off and slit your throat, right now.

Thank you for your co-operation in this matter.
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I also notice how you want to keep your own thread bumped so therefore receive no further help from me on your bullshit.

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Yes, it should. Lots of babies survive abortion. I had a cousin (a doctor) who told me she had seen it. The live baby she saw aborted was drown.
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Down to 2.5 stars, now.

Planned Parenthood bots must be here, lol.
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I think the main point is that we can hate abortion all we want. Sure its a dark side of society.

However Mr Paul would even tell you making it illegal would be a mistake.

Illegal abortion does not = zero abortions

This i believe is the reasoning behind most "pro life" people.
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I had an abortion in 1971. Rove v Wade had just been decided and the womens "liberation" movement was in full swing. I was 17. It took years for me to see that young women were being brainwashed and manipulated by anti life eugenists. I regret my decision and hope that young women will see the truth on this matter.

If you know any pregnant young women who are afraid, BE SUPPORTIVE and let them know that life is sacred.
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I'm happy to hear you regret that decision. No one is perfect.

May God bless you, for realizing innocent life is sacred.
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Any abortion is murder, and this particular case is murder even in the "legal" sense of the word.
As one of the above posters said, Satan rules this world. Satan loves death. Satan loves destruction and unhappiness.
And all who are "for" murder: Satan is your father. imho

Thanks for this post, OP, and I gave it 5 stars.

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Any abortion is murder, and this particular case is murder even in the "legal" sense of the word.
As one of the above posters said, Satan rules this world. Satan loves death. Satan loves destruction and unhappiness.
And all who are "for" murder: Satan is your father. imho

Thanks for this post, OP, and I gave it 5 stars.

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Callin abortion muder in a medial buildin but don’t give a fuck about bombin Iraqi childern
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I also notice how you want to keep your own thread bumped so therefore receive no further help from me on your bullshit.

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Yes, it should. Lots of babies survive abortion. I had a cousin (a doctor) who told me she had seen it. The live baby she saw aborted was drown.

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Why thank you for keeping this issue on page one - right where it should be.
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Down to 2.5 stars, now.

Planned Parenthood bots must be here, lol.



I think the main point is that we can hate abortion all we want. Sure its a dark side of society.

However Mr Paul would even tell you making it illegal would be a mistake.

Illegal abortion does not = zero abortions

This i believe is the reasoning behind most "pro life" people.
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Maybe not ZERO, but having murder and bank robbery be ILLEGAL, does REDUCE the number of those crimes that would otherwise occur.

Abortion OUGHT to be illegal, as no civilized society should ever approve of it.

A doctor who performs an abortion should go to prison.A mother paying for an abortion is a co-conspirator, and an accomplice to the execution.
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OP's post illustrates EXACTLY why Obama is so HEINOUS and DESPICABLE, for being against Illinois' proposed


Born Alive Infant Protection Act


...which he argued against, saying it "burdened" the mother and the doctor too much.


reference: nurse Jill Stanek on the internet
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I had an abortion in 1971. Rove v Wade had just been decided and the womens "liberation" movement was in full swing. I was 17. It took years for me to see that young women were being brainwashed and manipulated by anti life eugenists. I regret my decision and hope that young women will see the truth on this matter.

If you know any pregnant young women who are afraid, BE SUPPORTIVE and let them know that life is sacred.


I'm happy to hear you regret that decision. No one is perfect.

May God bless you, for realizing innocent life is sacred.
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Thank you for that emotional support.

I have been a vegetarian and animal rights activist for decades. I could not reconcile my respect for the life and suffering of others, while supporting "choice". Same for the death penalty. I have always opposed it. How could I see the same passed against innocent babies? All I can suspect is that I was brainwashed while I was afraid of the responisbility of a child. Of course, the eugenics movement is tied closely with the mind control machine, and they know when girls and women are vulnerable. I wish I had had a pro life family. That's all it would have taken.
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Any abortion is murder, and this particular case is murder even in the "legal" sense of the word.
As one of the above posters said, Satan rules this world. Satan loves death. Satan loves destruction and unhappiness.
And all who are "for" murder: Satan is your father. imho

Thanks for this post, OP, and I gave it 5 stars.

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Callin abortion muder in a medial buildin but don’t give a fuck about bombin Iraqi childern
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Your position is a fallacy and you are deluded. Let's look at Ron Paul. He is pro life and anti war. He is the MOST anti war person in DC.
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Wheres the link?
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I couldn't read past the first few paragraphs when I saw this.
So sad.
You know the left are always attacking religious people, but a baby is not a choice it is living person with a soul. Some people try to save their babies born premature, yet the abortionists will kill a baby that is even further along. Sick, just sick!

You know it was religious people who ended slavery. All the abolitionists were very religious people.
The left is made up of the most disgusting moral system ever.
They make me sick. They love to murder babies, but they will fight tooth and nail to save a mass murderer from execution. They have NO morals.

And yes, I'm talking about democrats!
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That is just wrong.
Personal responsibility - try it sometime. Quit blaming others for your bad choices. Consequences happen.

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I couldn't read past the first few paragraphs when I saw this.
So sad.
You know the left are always attacking religious people, but a baby is not a choice it is living person with a soul. Some people try to save their babies born premature, yet the abortionists will kill a baby that is even further along. Sick, just sick!

You know it was religious people who ended slavery. All the abolitionists were very religious people.
The left is made up of the most disgusting moral system ever.
They make me sick. They love to murder babies, but they will fight tooth and nail to save a mass murderer from execution. They have NO morals.

And yes, I'm talking about democrats!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 522593


we don't "love to murder babies," moron, we love to give people the right to choose what they can and can't do with their own bodies.

pro-choice does not equal pro-baby killing, no matter how much you want to pretend otherwise.
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I couldn't read past the first few paragraphs when I saw this.
So sad.
You know the left are always attacking religious people, but a baby is not a choice it is living person with a soul. Some people try to save their babies born premature, yet the abortionists will kill a baby that is even further along. Sick, just sick!

You know it was religious people who ended slavery. All the abolitionists were very religious people.
The left is made up of the most disgusting moral system ever.
They make me sick. They love to murder babies, but they will fight tooth and nail to save a mass murderer from execution. They have NO morals.

And yes, I'm talking about democrats!


we don't "love to murder babies," moron, we love to give people the right to choose what they can and can't do with their own bodies.

pro-choice does not equal pro-baby killing, no matter how much you want to pretend otherwise.
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According to this, it does. You're dismissed.
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MURDER plain and simple. That child breathed.
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I couldn't read past the first few paragraphs when I saw this.
So sad.
You know the left are always attacking religious people, but a baby is not a choice it is living person with a soul. Some people try to save their babies born premature, yet the abortionists will kill a baby that is even further along. Sick, just sick!

You know it was religious people who ended slavery. All the abolitionists were very religious people.
The left is made up of the most disgusting moral system ever.
They make me sick. They love to murder babies, but they will fight tooth and nail to save a mass murderer from execution. They have NO morals.

And yes, I'm talking about democrats!


we don't "love to murder babies," moron, we love to give people the right to choose what they can and can't do with their own bodies.

pro-choice does not equal pro-baby killing, no matter how much you want to pretend otherwise.

According to this, it does. You're dismissed.
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sorry, but the misguided actions of one person do not speak for the entire movement.
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I couldn't read past the first few paragraphs when I saw this.
So sad.
You know the left are always attacking religious people, but a baby is not a choice it is living person with a soul. Some people try to save their babies born premature, yet the abortionists will kill a baby that is even further along. Sick, just sick!

You know it was religious people who ended slavery. All the abolitionists were very religious people.
The left is made up of the most disgusting moral system ever.
They make me sick. They love to murder babies, but they will fight tooth and nail to save a mass murderer from execution. They have NO morals.

And yes, I'm talking about democrats!


we don't "love to murder babies," moron, we love to give people the right to choose what they can and can't do with their own bodies.

pro-choice does not equal pro-baby killing, no matter how much you want to pretend otherwise.
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What about the baby's body?

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