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Obama sends Kissinger (yes, KISSINGER) to Moscow for disarmament talks
Cold warrior Henry Kissinger woos Russia for Barack Obama
Henry Kissinger, the pioneer of Cold War detente during the Nixon era, has made a return to frontline politics after President Barack Obama reportedly sent him to Moscow to win backing from Vladimir Putin's government for a nuclear disarmament initiative.


By Adrian Blomfield, Moscow Correspondent
Last Updated: 2:14AM GMT 06 Feb 2009

The Daily Telegraph has learned that the 85-year-old former US secretary of state met President Dmitry Medvedev for secret negotiations in December. According to Western diplomats, during two days of talks the octogenarian courted Russian officials to win their support for Mr Obama's initiative, which could see Russia and the United States each slashing their nuclear warheads to 1,000 warheads.

The decision to send Mr Kissinger to Moscow, taken by Mr Obama when he was still president-elect, is part of a plan to overcome probable Republican objections in Congress.

Mr Kissinger is believed to have won a verbal rather than written undertaking for the deal. Tom Graham, a senior associate at Kissinger Associates and a former member of the national security council in the White House, on Thursday confirmed that Mr Kissinger had met Mr Medvedev but denied that any negotiations had taken place and said he had not met with Mr Putin.

However, a diplomatic source said that Mr Kissinger held two days of talks with Mr Putin at his country house near Moscow.

While the details of the ambitious initiative are yet to be revealed, the proposal to return to the negotiating table after eight years of reluctance in Washington has been welcomed in Britain and elsewhere.

Mr Obama apparently chose Mr Kissinger for his consummate diplomatic skills and his popularity in Moscow, an affection earned by his open acknowledgment of Russia's international resurgence.

Despite his pariah status with many Left-wingers in Mr Obama's Democratic Party, the president forged relations with Mr Kissinger during his campaign.

The compliment was returned when the 85-year-old veteran of the Nixon and Ford administrations said last month that the young president was in a position to create a "new world order" by shifting US foreign policy away from the hostile stance of the Bush administration.

He publicly supported Mr Obama's notion of unconditional talks with Iran, though not at the presidential level.

Further demonstrating his willingness to work with his opponents on foreign policy issues, Mr Obama turned to two veteran Republicans steeped in Cold War experience to press home his plans.

Shortly after Mr Kissinger's trip, Richard Lugar, a Republican senator from Indiana who has worked on nuclear disarmament issues for 30 years, also visited Moscow. George Schultz, another former secretary of state, has also played a vital role.

Observers say signs of progress towards a new treaty could come as early as this weekend, when senior government officials meet at a security conference in Munich.

Joe Biden, the US vice president, is expected to address the conference and diplomats hinted he could announce the suspension of plans to erect a missile defence shield in central Europe, a project that has been frequently denounced in Moscow.

Despite widespread praise for the proposals, many European officials are privately urging the United States to be cautious, aware that Kremlin policy towards the West in recent years has been characterized by reversals. Apart from worries over Russia's increasingly belligerent international policies, there is also little doubt a disarmament deal would benefit Moscow more than Washington -- even if the Kremlin has threatened to stall talks on a new treaty in the past.

Russia has long called for a new agreement to replace the 1991 Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START), which expires on Dec 5. Under START, the two Cold War adversaries agreed to halve their stockpiles to 5,000 warheads apiece. An addendum negotiated in 2002 under the START framework saw both sides agree to cut the number of warheads in service to between 1,700 and 2,200 each.

Despite pressure from Moscow, the Bush Administration was reluctant to begin negotiations on a successor to START because it feared losing the flexibility needed to respond to potential challenges from rising nuclear powers such as China.

The Kremlin, on the other hand, has been desperate for a new treaty because Russia's dilapidated nuclear stockpile is no longer sustainable either financially or practically.

Despite developing a new class of intercontinental ballistic missiles, the bulk of Russia's arsenal has passed its sell-by date. Even though many warheads have been kept alive artificially, Russia has long been aware that most of its missiles will have to be decommissioned much faster than they can be replaced.

Nuclear parity, the crux of Moscow's defence policy, is therefore fiction in all but name. A new treaty, however, would allow Russia to compete and free up money for other armament programmes.

In return for a new disarmament deal, Mr Putin has demanded that the United States delay Nato membership for Ukraine and Georgia as well as shelving the missile shield, which Moscow believes is directed at Russia rather than Iran.

The United States is reportedly ready to accept those demands after Mr Kissinger, who is deeply respected for his recognition of Russia's resurgence, may have won concessions of his own, a diplomatic source said.

Frequent visits by Mr Kissinger to Russia since 2000 have largely gone unreported in the Western press. But in 2007, the Russian news agency Novosti reported that Mr Kissinger and Yevgeny Primakov, a former KGB master, were appointed by Mr Putin to co-chair a bilateral "working group" of Russian and American political insiders to tackle issues such as global terrorism, nuclear proliferation, and nuclear threats.

Mr Putin is understood to have signalled his willingness to drop Russian objections over tougher sanctions against Iran and could also suspend the sale of sophisticated air defence missiles to Tehran which Washington fears could hamper a military strike against the country's nuclear installations.
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Now, you know who pulls Obama's puppet strings.
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Kissinger Sent to Russia to Cut New World Order Deal

Kurt Nimmo
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Friday, February 6, 2009

It is yet another glaring example there is no difference between Bush, Obama, or anybody else anointed by the global elite to serve as presidential window dressing — the Daily Telegraph reports this morning that former Reichsminister of State and Rockefeller minion Henry Kissinger was dispatched by the Obama administration to talk with Russian president Dmitry Medvedev about reducing stockpiles of nuclear warheads.

“The decision to send Mr. Kissinger to Moscow, taken by Mr Obama when he was still president-elect, is part of a plan to overcome probable Republican objections in Congress,” reports Adrian Blomfield, Moscow correspondent for the British newspaper. It is said the “secret negotiations” were conducted in December.

Obama, of course, runs nothing and the reprehensible octogenarian war criminal Kissinger was dispatched on orders of the elite, not Obama. It is said Kissinger had a sit-down with former Russian boss Vladimir Putin at his country house outside of Moscow. “While the details of the ambitious initiative are yet to be revealed, the proposal to return to the negotiating table after eight years of reluctance in Washington has been welcomed in Britain and elsewhere,” reports the Daily Telegraph.

No doubt a fly on the wall of Putin’s country house would reveal other topics of discussion, as the elite and the military-industrial complex have made trillions on the phony “Cold War” and its subsequent permutations over the decades and really has no desire to slash nuclear warheads, not unless they can make a bunch of money in the process.

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“Mr Obama apparently chose Mr Kissinger for his consummate diplomatic skills and his popularity in Moscow, an affection earned by his open acknowledgment of Russia’s international resurgence.”

Kissinger’s “consummate diplomatic skills” are well-known — over the years he has micromanaged the bombing of small and defense countries and is responsible for the murder of millions of people, most notably a few million Vietnamese, Cambodians, and Indonesians. It is absurd to think Obama chose Kissinger or anybody else for that matter. Obama, like all previous presidents in the modern era, is little more than a wind-up doll with notable oratory skills and a knack for reading teleprompters.

Along with Obama foreign policy guru and notorious Russia-hater Zbigniew Brzezinski, Kissinger is a Rockefeller functionary and Trilateral Commission member. He is also a prominent Bilderberg member and long time member of the Council on Foreign Relations. He worked for the Rockefeller Brothers Fund as director of its Special Studies Project.

The CFR, Trilateral Commission, and the Bilderbergers have one objective — to create world government under the guise of a New World Order.

It is safe to say the meeting with Medvedev and Putin had more to do with the New World Order than reducing the number of nukes in Russia and the United States. Last month, Kissinger went on the pages of the International Herald Tribune and called for a New World Order. During an interview with CNBC’s Mark Haines and Erin Burnett on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange, Kissinger said the anointment of Barack Obama represents an “opportunity” to create a New World Order “at a moment when there is upheaval in many parts of the world simultaneously,” never mind the fact these upheavals are orchestrated by the elite and the international bankers.

Of more immediate importance than any number of nuclear warheads is Russia’s strategic relationship with China and Iran and its relations with Cuba, Venezuela and Brazil. Moreover, Putin and the Russians have vehemently opposed the Soros/Freedom House/CIA sponsored revolutions in former Soviet republics and have signaled their intention to resist these globalist sponsored so-called revolutions. “A system of permanent revolutions, rose revolutions or some others, is the most dangerous,” Putin told Interfax on December 23, 2004, well before the U.S. orchestrated provocation in South Ossetia.

It is no secret, as well, the globalists are irked by Russia’s nationalization of the Yukos oil-producing division by Rosnfet. Putin became somewhat of a hero to the anti-globalist movement when he wrestled “power from multinational corporations, multilateral institutions, and the global economic system they promote,” as Liliana N. Proskuryakova described it. In addition, the Russians have consistently resisted the loan-sharking operations of the global elite, most notably in regard to the IMF and the World Bank. Between 2000 and 2004, Putin persistently refused to borrow from these institutions.

Now that the banksters and neolibs have managed to knock Russia and other oil-producing nations down a few notches — due largely to artificially induced falling oil prices — it is time for them to strike a new deal with Russia as the New World Order scheme gains momentum.

Thus it is fair to say Kissinger’s meeting with Medvedev and Putin had less to do with nuclear stockpiles than it had to do with offering a deal the Russians may not be able to refuse.

In short, Kissinger’s trip was likely what it appears to be — a meeting between mob bosses as they set about to carve up their respective spheres of influence.
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We told you Obama is a New World Order shill. Obama is owned because the NWO blackmailed him with Resko and the rest of the Chicago criminal slimebath from which Obama was spawned.
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ohyeah

We told you Obama is a New World Order shill. Obama is owned because the NWO blackmailed him with Resko and the rest of the Chicago criminal slimebath from which Obama was spawned.
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We told you Obama is a New World Order shill. Obama is owned because the NWO blackmailed him with Resko and the rest of the Chicago criminal slimebath from which Obama was spawned.

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+1

Kissinger is one of the only men to know the true origin of humans on this planet. He is one of the so-called "powers that be".
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One never knows for sure who is really the good guy and who is the bad guy.

According to Majestic, the real Illuminati were the original lightworkers and was infiltrated and took over the Illuminati name. But he said the good guys are very where, just waiting for their time.

He also said who you think are your friends could be your enemy and who you think is your enemy could be your friend.

Who really knows who is who?
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Kiss is a mouth piece for NWO aka London. Putin knows this.
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Kiss is a mouth piece for NWO aka London. Putin knows this.
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If this is true, WTF. I didn't know Kissinger was officially part of the government, let alone Obama's staff.

So hell, lets just grab any old MF'er off the street and send him to do the bidding of the United States. Fuck the last time I saw Kissinger in an interview on TV he was so senile, he kept losing his place in his talking. I bet he will really impress Putin!
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Thats power for ya.
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This disarmament plan has been in the works since Kennedy.

[link to www.fas.org]

By-the-way, Kissinger is a Slime Bag.
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Oh shit! War with Russia is the last thing that we need!
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Putin will politely and respectfully tell him to bugger off.
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Kiss is a mouth piece for NWO aka London. Putin knows this.

If this is true, WTF. I didn't know Kissinger was officially part of the government, let alone Obama's staff.

So hell, lets just grab any old MF'er off the street and send him to do the bidding of the United States. Fuck the last time I saw Kissinger in an interview on TV he was so senile, he kept losing his place in his talking. I bet he will really impress Putin!
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Hmmmm... You think the "United States" is not a front corporation for the New World Order.
That is interesting.chuckle
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Most Americans don't even know what a Natural Born Citizen is ...



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Neither do they care ...
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Trials Of Henry Kissinger



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Bohemian Grove's Mandalay camp goes to Moscow!

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Yeah, and he dusted-off Holbrook and Mitchell for various titular diplomatic positions as well.

However, as with his meeting (photo-op, really) last fall with Sarah Palin, the message is that the Zogfather is on-the-case, so you know in advance which way the chips will be made to fall...
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the russians, americans, chinese indians pakis, the lot, all sing from the same hymn sheet.

printed in london.
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CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!!
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bible

1st Thessalonians 5:3

For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child.........
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Kissinger does not represent the United States Citizens.

He is going over to get permission for the attack on Iran.

Nuclear weapons are obsolete. That is why this cover story is BS.
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Kissinger does not represent the United States Citizens.

He is going over to get permission for the attack on Iran.

Nuclear weapons are obsolete. That is why this cover story is BS.
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I hope you're not right, but I'm afraid this is exactly the main objective of this mission.

It will be interesting to see the political posturing that happens immediately after this visit. By reading that, we can get some idea of what the real outcome was.
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Kissinger Urges Obama to Build a "New World Order"
Written by William F. Jasper
Thursday, 08 January 2009 00:03

According to Henry Kissinger, the various political and economic crises currently conflicting the world offer President-elect Barack Obama an opportunity to create a "new world order." That's what the former Secretary of State told CNBC's Mark Haines in a January 5 interview from the busy floor of the New York Stock Exchange.

"What do you think the most important thing is for Barack Obama?" Haines asked. "... If you had to say, this is going to be the country, or the conflict, or the place that will define the Obama administration, what would it be?" Kissinger replied: "The President-elect is coming into office at a moment when there are upheavals in many part of the world simultaneously. You have India-Pakistan. You have, ah, a jihadist movement."

"But," continued Kissinger, "he can give new impetus to American foreign policy ... I think that his task will be to develop an overall strategy for America in this period, when really a 'new world order' can be created. It's a great opportunity. It isn't such a crisis."

Haines did not ask Dr. Kissinger to explain what he meant by creating a new world order, nor did he or any of his colleagues in the major U.S. media report on the fact that Kissinger was present at the New York Stock Exchange that morning to celebrate a key milestone in the planned move toward the same new world order. To find out why the gravely voiced eminence gries of the American Establishment was visiting the Wall Street hub of world capitalism one had to turn, paradoxically, to the media mouthpieces of Communist China.

Beijing's Xinhua News Agency, for instance, reported that Kissinger was there as the honored guest of the National Committee on U.S.-China Relations for a ceremony marking the 30th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between the United States and China. Dr. Kissinger, of course, was the key figure in that sea-change event, engaging in clandestine trips to Beijing for President Richard Nixon, as well as for his mentor, David Rockefeller, then president of the Chase Manhattan Bank as well as chairman of the powerful Council on Foreign Relations and Trilateral Commission. "[At that time] if anyone had told me that I would celebrate an event about the People's Republic of China on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange, I would think that could be inconceivable," Kissinger told the National Committee on U.S.-China Relations event attendees. The Xinhua story reported:

According to the renowned strategist, the world has entered an era in which leaders must "keep an eye on the opportunities they have for cooperation." "They should realize that they for the first time in the history can deal with issues on global bases, and not just on their national bases, so this is a great opportunity for them," he explained.

For example, he said, the United States and China now have "a common opportunity because the international economic system has to be rebuilt," and "it can not be done unless the United States and China agree on the agenda of direction."

"There were so many political crises in the world, which require cooperation, and I believe this really can be a beginning of a new era of our relationship," he added.

The world also has many other problems that are "more subtle, more complicated and less direct," and they require U.S.-China cooperation in many ways, Kissinger noted.

"What is needed is a continued development by both leaderships of methods of cooperating and solving the world's problems," he stressed.

What Mr. Kissinger is describing here in somewhat veiled terms is something he and his confreres at the Council on Foreign Relations and Trilateral Commission refer to as the new-world-order process of "convergence": the gradual melding together of the various regions and political-economic systems of the world into a world government.

Kissinger puts more specific flesh on the new world order/convergence skeleton in a December 16, 2008 interview with PBS's Charlie Rose, explaining that "crises" such as global terrorism, global economic upheaval, and global environmental deterioration will require moving beyond the nation state and national sovereignty.

Explicit appeals by high-powered new-world-order advocates for world government are coming fast and furious. As we noted last month (here and here) a revealing piece by Gideon Rachman in the Financial Times of London seemed to be signaling that we can expect to see an avalanche of calls by globalist elites for world government to save us, as Kissinger puts it, from the terrifying "abyss" of economic and political turmoil that is supposedly insoluble under our current system of independent nation states.
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Kissinger calls for Obama to usher in a 'New World Order':

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CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!!
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Kissinger Urges Obama to Build a "New World Order"
Written by William F. Jasper
Thursday, 08 January 2009 00:03

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When will this old bastard die and go back to hell? The world needs a break from this creature.
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Yeah, "K" is scum, but look who the Bushie regime were pals with all those years, hence the reason the USA is No. 1 terrorist in the world.
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Obama didn't send Kissinger to Russia, if anything; the Red Shield sent him.

They still trying to 'Open Russia' or like one poster said, perhaps he went to get a green light regarding Iran attack.

Open Russia Foundation (via wayback)
Lord Jacob Rothschild, Henry Kissinger, Mikhail Khordovsky
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'Foul deeds will rise,though all the earth o'erwhelm them,to men's eyes'....no good ever comes of this toads machievelian ways.
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When is this fossil going to kick off?

God help us.

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