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Tzipi Livni: Peace is unthinkable with the settlers were they are

 
Leo****
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02/07/2009 03:27 PM
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Tzipi Livni: Peace is unthinkable with the settlers were they are
They should have been moved already. Why wait until the religious radicals take total control of IDF?

Waiting further makes no sense at all.

Tzipi Livni explains what must be done at approx 3.00 minutes into the video.



[link to www.youtube.com]

/L
Leo**** (OP)
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02/07/2009 03:40 PM
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Hello?

Anyone having anything to say except those onestar voters?

/L
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02/07/2009 03:54 PM
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Settlers = all non Jewish inhabitants of Earth.....Remember that. They have almost taking over the worlds financial system, and that is just the beginning. They are Jewish supremacist, and you can take that to your Jewish bank.
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02/07/2009 04:06 PM
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Hello?

Anyone having anything to say except those onestar voters?

/L
 Quoting: Leo**** 89830


Yes. She´s hot.
Leo**** (OP)
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Is this some kind of taboo issue?

Certainly looks that way.

/L
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02/07/2009 05:04 PM
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I take the absence of discussion as a silent admission Israel is in reality ruled by the radical interests of those "settlers", people coming from all over the world to cut a piece of the cake "given to them". Wild West revisited, the outlaws making the law. IDF too afraid to, or simply not interested to, enforce Israeli policy.

Great that we sorted that out once and for all.

No wonder the Palestinians hurl homemade rockets or whatever they have at them...

World, make this imbecile charade stop. Now.

/L
Leo**** (OP)
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02/07/2009 05:44 PM
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Tzipi Livni is foreign minister of Israel. Maybe I should have mentioned that already in the title.

So the idea those settlers really need to pack up and leave ASAP if any peace is to be expected actually comes from a rather informed source I'd say.

Questions remains: why is Israel waiting with such a crucial strategic move? Is it really that bad as depicted in the 60 minutes clip, that Israel in reality is owned by those radical settlers' self interest? That IDF is so infiltrated by radical religious groups that it is unusable to enforce Israeli policy decisions?

Then the situation is far worse than I ever imagined.

Please provide some useful input here.

/L
FF
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02/07/2009 05:49 PM
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I am surprised she even dare to mention this ...

At least this would be a start!
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02/07/2009 05:52 PM
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Settlers = all non Jewish inhabitants of Earth.....Remember that. They have almost taking over the worlds financial system, and that is just the beginning. They are Jewish supremacist, and you can take that to your Jewish bank.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 487076
what astonishing freaks they are!! the settlers!! like the palis are settlers when israhell state has been importing settlers for decades! they are truly criminally insane.
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02/07/2009 05:52 PM
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religion is first about the spiritual and then the physical....there is enough wealth in the arabic/judaic world to establish peace in the form of lifting up out of poverty... isreal is a flashpoint for the apocolypse but only part of the bad battlefield,,,its gonna happen just don't be a part of a bad fight.. the four armies/mindsets coming out of the easterm realm of 200 million(add up the islamic populations of the kashmir,afghanistan,and pakistan) that will draw israel into the apocolypse will be jihad,zionism,and the split global proxy.. prayer,sacraments,bible study,holy tradition
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I am surprised she even dare to mention this ...

At least this would be a start!
 Quoting: FF 456207

Feb 10th BiBi would come in and reverse anything she did. He has already said not one inch of land will be given up. He is already planning for WW111.
Leo**** (OP)
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02/07/2009 06:12 PM
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I'm beginning to think the current regime in Israel is a kind of puppet regime owned by its strong military force, heavily infused by increasingly radical religious elements.

This is the way it smells to me.

It smells extremely dangerous.

/L
Leo**** (OP)
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02/07/2009 06:30 PM
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It would be informative to know the positions of Gaia, Jadr and other posters at GLP that perceive themselves as working for Israel's strategic interests just as believe I do in my way.

How do you perceive the illegal settlements?

Please answer.

/L
~~**Nightfall**~~

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02/07/2009 06:56 PM
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The settlements are illegal, by international law. It is stolen land, and the palis have been squished into refugee camps, where the luxurious settlements overlook the poverty striken palis, no food, water, medicine, and are forbidden to travel on roads meant for Israelis Only, on stolen pali land.

And they wonder why there are wicked thoughts of revenge, because this has been a holocaust for the palis.

Palestine is trying to be recognized as a statehood, and if that happens, what Israel does and has done to the palis will have to be answered for in international criminal court.

Also, Hamas will have to answer for war crimes. IMO, this is the only thing that is ever going to stop the hate for eachother.
~~**Nightfall**~~

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Leo**** (OP)
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02/07/2009 08:38 PM
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Thanks for the bump, Nightfall!

I'm amazed the posters that usually are so eager to inform about the rationale of Israeli policy are all silent here.

Perhaps it is a very sore toe I accidentally stepped on, that policy on the illegal settlers and the toothless means of enforcement we've seen so far.

Has the Israeli government lost control of its military forces, maybe because of all this radical religious infiltration?

Whose purpose does the IDF serve then when it is no longer controlled by the democratically elected government?

/L
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02/07/2009 09:37 PM
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by tony eastley .26-4-06-an israeli human rights group is demanding that israel army make public its secret rules on when soldiers are allowd to open fire with weapons in the palestinian terrtories the group b'tselem argues that the secrecy is allowing senior israil militry staffto avoid responsiblity for the killing of innocent civilians .in a statement the israil army has defended the secrecy of its procedures...middle east corrspondent .mark willacy compiled this report .in jerusalem and in the west bank city of ramallah .on the slab of the mortuary lies the nakedbody of muhammad ziad.he has 4 israeli bullets in him. in the family ciders block shanty in ramallah.s kalandia refugee camp subheya mourns her dead granson all of us loved him he was special says a old woman,e was shot while going to hebrew language classes at the youth centre .palestinian witnesses says muhammad and his friends were chased through the kalandia camp by a israel jeep the soldiers inside then open fire killing the teenager .why the boys were chased remains a mystery .but its likely they were trowing --STONES--at the army jeep.accoreding to the isreli military the soldiers were operating within the army.s open fire regulations .the open fire prosedure is not very clear .its actually giving you permission as a soldier to shoot everyone that you think is a suspact .yenai israel is a former lieutenant in the west bank .it was his job to brief his soldiers on the military open fire reg. which was kept secret from the israeli public .sarit michael from the israeli human rights group .a basic answer for us to what are the open fire regulations is we dont know .because they are secret .in actual fact the message is the opposite its a message of no accounttability of palestinian LIFE not being important enough for the i=d=f to conduct ivestigations so gene we see our message being brodcast to soldiers of its fine to have this trigger happy attitude. ..this is mark willacy reporting from ramallak.
Leo**** (OP)
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Why doesn't Israel remove the illegal settlements?

What are they waiting for?

If peace is unthinkable with the settlements is place according to Israel's FM Tzipi Livni, then why allow the illegal settlers to continue blocking peace?

Gaia, Jadr, et al, you say you want peace and the rockets attacks to stop. Please explain why Israel is doing nothing about the known causes of the continued conflict.

It makes no sense to me.

/L
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02/08/2009 08:03 AM
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Jews should have a right to live anywhere. If someone said that Jews would not be permitted to live in your hometown, you'd say that was anti-Semitism, discrimination, bigotry, and yet the Palestinians are allowed to go on TV day after day and say that Jews have no right to live in the West Bank. That's anti-Semitism, discrimination, and bigotry.

Jews have been living in Judea and Samaria, the area commonly called the West Bank, for centuries, far longer than Palestinians have lived in the area. The only time Jews have been prohibited from living in the territories in recent decades was during Jordan's rule from 1948 to 1967.

The right of Jews to live in the West Bank is clear. The issue of whether they should live there is entirely separate. Israelis debate this among themselves.

There is 1 million Arab citizens of Israel

Why can't their be Jews in the west bank?
Dear sir, poor sir, brave sir: You are an experiment by the Creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next--and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine.

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Leo****
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02/08/2009 12:11 PM
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Jews should have a right to live anywhere.
[...]
 Quoting: JADR


Why is that? No other people in the world has the right to settle and live anywhere they please so why Jews?

The notion that people of Jewish heritage can come from all over the world to grab some land for themselves in the West Bank is absurd.

Luckily there are lots of Israelis that recognizes this as a major obstacle to peace, just like the Israeli foreign minister. Too bad the Israeli government still turns a blind eye to this.

/L

PS. Moderators: my IP is banned for some unknown reason, please unban me asap.
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02/08/2009 12:13 PM
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Secret Israeli database reveals full extent of illegal settlement
[link to www.haaretz.com]
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02/08/2009 12:22 PM
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wait till Netanyahu and Avigodor Lieberman get elected! They have promised to expand settlements and to ethnically clean Israel. All hell will break out soon. When the Russians decide to help the Moslem powers, it will soon be over for everyone.
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wait till Netanyahu and Avigodor Lieberman get elected! They have promised to expand settlements and to ethnically clean Israel. All hell will break out soon. When the Russians decide to help the Moslem powers, it will soon be over for everyone.
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Do you have any links to the promises of ethnic cleansing?

/L

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