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Recession Proof GLP...Ammunition Reloader's Thread
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Evil Twin  
Senior Forum Moderator
2/8/2009 12:59 PM
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I believe it was Omega that recently said we needed a master reloading thread on GLP. I thought it was a good idea.
I know there are several people here that have probably forgotten more about reloading than I'll ever learn, so hopefully, they will chime in.
With skyrocketing ammunition prices, and declining availability, reloading makes more sense than ever.
The necessary equipment doesn't have to be expensive. A basic Lee Loader [link to www.cabelas.com]
will allow you to load one caliber for about $20, and is easily portable. You can take it with you when you run for the hills. ;)
Or, you can spend hundreds, if not thousands on all the latest high end progressive presses and digital charge metering stations. Dillon presses are very popular with high volume reloaders.
[link to www.cabelas.com]
A very popular kit with beginners and veteran reloaders alike is the Lee Anniversary Kit.
[link to www.cabelas.com]
I bought one of those myself, when I began reloading, and still have it. I turn out 2-300 rounds per week with it in just a few hours time.
I suppose this thread could take many directions.
I'd like it to offer advice for beginners, perhaps post up good deals on components when people find them, trade load data among ourselves, maybe tips and tricks from the old pros (are you listening, Lester and Lost Fisherman? ;-))
Here are the cartridges I load regularly:
.38 spl
.357 Magnum
.45 acp
30/30
.308
7.5x55 Swiss
Cartridges for which I have dies and components, but only rarely load:
9x18 Makarov
7.62x39
7.62x54r
I also cast my own bullets for .38/.357 and .45 acp.
With my own cast bullets, handgun ammo costs me less than 10 cents per round in materials, which is the only way I can afford to shoot as much as I like.
Considering becoming an "undocumented worker".
eviltwin618@yahoo.com |
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Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
2/8/2009 1:17 PM
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Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
2/8/2009 1:45 PM
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Here's a good deal on .308 bullets:
150 gr. FMJ for $170/1000
[link to www.grafs.com]
Considering becoming an "undocumented worker".
eviltwin618@yahoo.com |
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Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
2/8/2009 3:22 PM
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Anyone have a recipe for a home brewed cast bullet lube?
Considering becoming an "undocumented worker".
eviltwin618@yahoo.com |
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Omega
User ID: 340280
 United States
2/8/2009 3:30 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Ammunition Reloader's Thread | Quote |
Great thread!!! I started on the Lee kit on Evil Twins recommendation and its a great deal. In the last month I moved up to the Lee Turret press and am loading .44mag and .45.acp on the turrent and .308 on the single stage press. Lester sent me dies for .223 so I need to get on that but can't find the small cci primers anywhere.
Supplies are scarce.
Its been a great experience learning and I plan on doing some my next days off. Here is my table with the lee kit, I should take another picture soon, you wouldn't believe it now, lmao. I needs me another table and some cabinets ....
And thanks to all that helped, Evil Twin, Lester, and the many others on this board that know their shit......
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
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Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.
Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.
Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
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Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
2/8/2009 3:34 PM
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You bought a turret press?
Damn, me jealous now! LOL
Considering becoming an "undocumented worker".
eviltwin618@yahoo.com |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 331367
 Austria
2/8/2009 3:39 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Ammunition Reloader's Thread | Quote |
I see .. i see .. i see a great thread in the making.
Well.
These are the first parts of my move to reloading. The rest is ordered.
Bought them used in great condition.
[link to img80.imageshack.us] |
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Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
2/8/2009 3:47 PM
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I see .. i see .. i see a great thread in the making.
Well.
These are the first parts of my move to reloading. The rest is ordered.
Bought them used in great condition.
[ link to img80.imageshack.us]
I can't get your link to work.
Considering becoming an "undocumented worker".
eviltwin618@yahoo.com |
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Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
2/8/2009 3:49 PM
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Omega, Graf's has a couple boxes of CCI #41 primers left for your .223s, if you hurry!
[link to www.grafs.com]
Considering becoming an "undocumented worker".
eviltwin618@yahoo.com |
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Omega
User ID: 340280
United States
2/8/2009 4:01 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Ammunition Reloader's Thread | Quote |
Omega, Graf's has a couple boxes of CCI #41 primers left for your .223s, if you hurry!
[ link to www.grafs.com]
Thanks man lemme scarf this sanwich then I am on it.
Also later I have a shitload of reloading forums links I'll put in one list......
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
_____________________________________
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.
Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.
Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
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Omega
User ID: 340280
United States
2/8/2009 4:03 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Ammunition Reloader's Thread | Quote |
You bought a turret press?
Damn, me jealous now! LOL Quoting: Evil Twin
Yeah bro it was only like 90 bucks plus an extra turrent, got the pro powder kit and the auto prime too. Have ran some test .45 thru it haven't shot them yet. No time. Wimmins. You know the deal, ;>)
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
_____________________________________
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.
Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.
Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
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ZOSIME
User ID: 565092
United States
2/8/2009 4:07 PM
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Thank you Twin I ask about this last year and couldn't find that thread. Prices are going to really go sky high. |
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Missouri Bushwhacker
User ID: 608620
United States
2/8/2009 4:12 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Ammunition Reloader's Thread | Quote |
ET here are some primers that you were looking for. The initial shipping is a bit outrageous but it's hazmat.
[link to gamaliel.com]
I'd call just to make sure they are in stock
Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. George Washington
Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme liberty. Plato |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 605566
United States
2/8/2009 4:14 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Ammunition Reloader's Thread | Quote |
Whats Ammunition reloading mean, evil twin |
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Omega
User ID: 340280
United States
2/8/2009 4:33 PM | |
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 583160
United States
2/8/2009 4:35 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Ammunition Reloader's Thread | Quote |
Great thread!!! I started on the Lee kit on Evil Twins recommendation and its a great deal. In the last month I moved up to the Lee Turret press and am loading .44mag and .45.acp on the turrent and .308 on the single stage press. Lester sent me dies for .223 so I need to get on that but can't find the small cci primers anywhere.
Supplies are scarce.
Its been a great experience learning and I plan on doing some my next days off. Here is my table with the lee kit, I should take another picture soon, you wouldn't believe it now, lmao. I needs me another table and some cabinets ....
And thanks to all that helped, Evil Twin, Lester, and the many others on this board that know their shit......
:omgarld1: Quoting: Omega
Don't worry omega about the round ups. They will just put a hole in your apartment complex for ya. |
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Omega
User ID: 340280
United States
2/8/2009 4:40 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Ammunition Reloader's Thread | Quote |
Omega, Graf's has a couple boxes of CCI #41 primers left for your .223s, if you hurry!
[ link to www.grafs.com]
That link was to .308 boolits bro. I don't see any cci small rifle primers at grafs....
[link to www.grafs.com]
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
_____________________________________
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.
Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.
Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 605566
United States
2/8/2009 4:43 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Ammunition Reloader's Thread | Quote |
Omega, what does ammo reloading mean |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 610580
United States
2/8/2009 4:54 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Ammunition Reloader's Thread | Quote |
Yo ET,
One step 'up' from the Lee kit you posted, is the Lee Hand Press.
I use one to work up loads at the bench in the field.
Just add dies.
[link to www.midwayusa.com]
Portable and light for a bug-out, and you are not limited to one caliber. |
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Missouri Bushwhacker
User ID: 608620
United States
2/8/2009 5:08 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Ammunition Reloader's Thread | Quote |
Omega, Graf's has a couple boxes of CCI #41 primers left for your .223s, if you hurry!
[ link to www.grafs.com]
That link was to .308 boolits bro. I don't see any cci small rifle primers at grafs....
[ link to www.grafs.com]
try this one omega
[link to grafs.com]
Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. George Washington
Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme liberty. Plato |
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Omega
User ID: 340280
United States
2/8/2009 5:10 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Ammunition Reloader's Thread | Quote |
Quoting: Missouri Bushwhacker
Shoot I missed that in the list thanks bro!!!
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
_____________________________________
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.
Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.
Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
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Reality420
User ID: 602983
United States
2/8/2009 6:15 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Ammunition Reloader's Thread | Quote |
Starting at the beginning:
Reloading is the act of remaking Cartridges
Some Definitions:
Ammunition - ammunition is a generic term for complete, ready-to-fire, packages. It can refer to .22 rimfire, shotgun shells, centrefire brass cartridges, Civil War paper/powder/ball packages, etc.
As a generic term it is used as - "I've got to go to Bullet Bob's and get more ammo."
Cartridge - a cartridge is one complete piece of ready-to-fire ammunition. These are the things you put into the gun to fire.
In modern times it refers to metallic cased ammunition.
The term is usually modified by what type of Cartridge is being spoken of. For example - ".30-06 Cartridges", ".357 Mag Cartridges", etc.
It can also be used generically - "I've got to go to Bullet Bob's and buy more Cartridges." or "Let me see one of those Cartridges."
It is what you buy at the store in boxes of 10, 15, 20, 25, 50, etc.
A box of ammunition is a package of individual cartridges.
"Ammunition" and "Cartridges" are somewhat interchangeable; "Ammunition" being more generic.
Bullet - a bullet is the projectile that comes out the end of the barrel. A bullet is not a complete cartridge, it is one part of a complete cartridge.
You will confuse people if you refer to complete cartridges as "bullets". This is the most common terminology error encountered.
In general most people will be speaking of 'Metallic Cartridges' with the 'Metallic' unspoken and understood. If not they will usually clarify using the appropriate terms: 'Paper Cartridge', 'Pin-Fire Cartridge', etc.
I doubt anyone here is going to be referring to these.
Shotgunners use the term "Shell" for their Cartridge.
What makes up a Metallic Cartridge? What components do I need to make reloads?
There are 4 components to a Metallic Cartridge:
1) The Case - reuse over and over.
2) The Bullet - consumed upon firing.
3) The Powder - consumed upon firing.
4) The Primer - consumed upon firing.
1) The Case - This is the metallic case that holds all the other components and acts a the combustion chamber. It is usually made of brass or aluminum or steel.
Generally only Boxer Primed Brass Cases are reloadable. You can either get or buy new/used Cases (empty) or you can save your Brass Cases from store bought ammunition after you fire them.
Generally you can only use Cases to remake the exact same cartridge. If you buy/have .30-30 Winchester cases you can (generally) only remake .30-30 ammunition.
Some Cases can be reformed into different cartridges since there sometimes is overlap in Case dimensions. For example you can make .270 Win. Cases from .30-06 Cases.
2) The Bullet - This is the projectile that comes out the end of the barrel upon firing, leaving the Case still in the gun to be removed and replaced by a fresh Cartridge.
A Bullet can be made of many materials or composites of materials.
Bullets are grouped by calibre. Calibre is the diameter of the bullet in inches. A .30-06 uses bullets that are .308" in diameter. A .308 Win. uses... you guessed it, a .308" bullet. A .30Carb. uses... .308" diameter bullets.
Bullet calibre MUST be the same as the gun barrel you are going to shoot it out of. Too big and you ruin your gun and possibly kill yourself. Too small and you literally can't hit a barn from 10 yards.
Bullets of a calibre are grouped next by weight. Most calibres have a wide range of Bullet weights available from very light to very heavy.
A Cartridge can have many different Bullets associated with it. That is one of the advantages to reloading. You can pick exactly what type of bullet you send downrange.
For example, a .30-06 Cartridge can have a Bullet that weighs 90gr or 150gr. or 180gr. or 200gr. or almost anything in between. All these bullets will have a nominal diameter of .308".
Bullets can lastly have a variety of shapes and construction.
So Bullets (projectiles) use this decending order:
-Calibre (diameter): must match gun barrel
--Weight: you pick for the intended purpose.
---Design/Shape/Construction: you pick for the intended purpose.
3) The Powder - Powder is the fuel that propels the bullet down and out of the barrel. It is technically designated as Propellant. It doesn't explode, it burns fast under controlled conditions.
There are almost as many Powders as there are Bullets. Each Cartridge has a group of Powders that work best.
Powders are generally selected in this order:
-What Cartridge are you making?: .30-06 or .243 or .375H&H or .357Mag or 9mm?
--What Bullet Weight?: Light Bullets will generally use a different Powder than Heavy Bullets.
---The 'What do you want?' factor: Do you want maximum velocity? Do you want lower recoil? Do you want extreme accuracy? This is another great reason for reloading. You can get performance that isn't available over the counter.
4) The Primer - This is the 'spark plug' that ignites the Powder. The firing pin/striker/hammer hits this to fire the cartridge.
These actually do have a very small amount of shock sensitive explosive to get the whole thing going.
There are two broad classes of Primers - Boxer and Berdan. The only reloadable Primer class is Boxer. Berdan can be reprimed but only if you like expensive pain.
All references to reloadable Primers is for Boxer Primers. Boxer Primers are what you will be sold.
There are two sizes - Small and Large. There are a number of subgroups under each size - Pistol, Rifle, Magnum, Match, etc.
Use the type specified by the reloading manual for your load.
With reloading this is how versatile you can get:
You want to shoot squirrels with your .30-06? - 3 or 4gr Bullseye and a #0 buckshot patched with tissue and pressed into the case mouth. Shake the Powder back onto the Primer before firing (or point up into a tree). Good to about 50yds.
You want to shoot elephant with your .30-06? - Use a max. load 220gr solid and know where to put it.
Have fun.
R. |
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Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
2/8/2009 7:05 PM
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Omega, Graf's has a couple boxes of CCI #41 primers left for your .223s, if you hurry!
[ link to www.grafs.com]
That link was to .308 boolits bro. I don't see any cci small rifle primers at grafs....
[ link to www.grafs.com]
Sorry about that, don't know how I screwed that up!
I see you already found 'em, but I fixed the link in my post anyways.
Considering becoming an "undocumented worker".
eviltwin618@yahoo.com |
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Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
2/8/2009 7:07 PM
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Yo ET,
One step 'up' from the Lee kit you posted, is the Lee Hand Press.
I use one to work up loads at the bench in the field.
Just add dies.
[ link to www.midwayusa.com]
Portable and light for a bug-out, and you are not limited to one caliber.
Yep, I have one of those too, and use it for the same thing.
Nice way to spend an afternoon, sitting out at the range, building and firing 1 or 2 cartridges at a time.
Considering becoming an "undocumented worker".
eviltwin618@yahoo.com |
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Nailer45
User ID: 609269
United States
2/8/2009 7:08 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Ammunition Reloader's Thread | Quote |
I believe it was Omega that recently said we needed a master reloading thread on GLP. I thought it was a good idea.
I know there are several people here that have probably forgotten more about reloading than I'll ever learn, so hopefully, they will chime in.
With skyrocketing ammunition prices, and declining availability, reloading makes more sense than ever.
The necessary equipment doesn't have to be expensive. A basic Lee Loader [ link to www.cabelas.com]
will allow you to load one caliber for about $20, and is easily portable. You can take it with you when you run for the hills. ;)
Or, you can spend hundreds, if not thousands on all the latest high end progressive presses and digital charge metering stations. Dillon presses are very popular with high volume reloaders.
[ link to www.cabelas.com]
A very popular kit with beginners and veteran reloaders alike is the Lee Anniversary Kit.
[ link to www.cabelas.com]
I bought one of those myself, when I began reloading, and still have it. I turn out 2-300 rounds per week with it in just a few hours time.
I suppose this thread could take many directions.
I'd like it to offer advice for beginners, perhaps post up good deals on components when people find them, trade load data among ourselves, maybe tips and tricks from the old pros (are you listening, Lester and Lost Fisherman? ;-))
Here are the cartridges I load regularly:
.38 spl
.357 Magnum
.45 acp
30/30
.308
7.5x55 Swiss
Cartridges for which I have dies and components, but only rarely load:
9x18 Makarov
7.62x39
7.62x54r
I also cast my own bullets for .38/.357 and .45 acp.
With my own cast bullets, handgun ammo costs me less than 10 cents per round in materials, which is the only way I can afford to shoot as much as I like.
hey ET check out my gun link thread, and ammo links , reloading stuff.
LINKS:
[link to www.aimsurplus.com]
[link to www.ammobank.com]
[link to www.ammo-connection.com]
[link to www.ammodirect.com]
[link to www.ammo4guns.com]
[link to www.ammoman.com]
https://secure.ammoinc.com
[link to ammunitiontogo.com]
[link to www.the-armory.com]
[link to www.a1ammo.com]
[link to www.buymilsurp.com]
[link to www.cabelas.com]
[link to www.cascade-ammo.com]
[link to www.centerfiresystems.com]
[link to www.centuryarms.com]
[link to www.cheaperthandirt.com]
[link to www.classicarms.us]
[link to www.dansammo.com]
[link to floridaammotraders.com]
[link to www.floridaarmory.com]
[link to www.grafs.com]
[link to www.impactguns.com]
[link to jandcsales.com]
[link to www.jgsales.com]
[link to www.keystonearms.com]
[link to www.kyimports.com]
[link to www.midwayusa.com]
[link to www.natchezss.com]
[link to www.outdoormarksman.com]
[link to www.polygunbag.com]
[link to rapidfire.targetweb.net]
[link to www.rguns.net]
[link to www.samcoglobal.com]
[link to www.southernammo.com]
[link to www.southernohiogun.com]
[link to www.sportsmansguide.com]
[link to surplusammo.com]
[link to www.wideners.com] |
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Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
2/8/2009 7:10 PM
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ET here are some primers that you were looking for. The initial shipping is a bit outrageous but it's hazmat.
[ link to gamaliel.com]
I'd call just to make sure they are in stock
Those are magnum primers...they'd probably blow up my .45's, which might be fun, lol.
Thanks anyways!
Considering becoming an "undocumented worker".
eviltwin618@yahoo.com |
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Nailer45
User ID: 609269
United States
2/8/2009 7:12 PM | |
Omega
User ID: 340280
United States
2/8/2009 7:12 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Ammunition Reloader's Thread | Quote |
Here is the link to Nailers Thread.
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
_____________________________________
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.
Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.
Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
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Nailer45
User ID: 609269
United States
2/8/2009 7:15 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Ammunition Reloader's Thread | Quote |
thanks Omega...appreciate it. |
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Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
2/8/2009 7:19 PM
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Holy crap, nice list!
Considering becoming an "undocumented worker".
eviltwin618@yahoo.com |
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Nailer45
User ID: 609269
United States
2/8/2009 7:24 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Ammunition Reloader's Thread | Quote |
aspecially since I got all of them off a anti gun thread for sites to be banned..LOL |
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